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Source: https://twitter.com/itsjefftiedrich/status/1598699366348460042?s=46&t=AaS_PS-Dm5ZkkoQribNi9w
The responses to this tweet, by holocaust deniers, are appalling.
Dec 2, 2022 4:40 PM
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Source: https://twitter.com/itsjefftiedrich/status/1598699366348460042?s=46&t=AaS_PS-Dm5ZkkoQribNi9w
The responses to this tweet, by holocaust deniers, are appalling.
TarrkertheNewt
My grandfather spent nearly four years shooting Nazis out of the sky before saving Polish jews from an incinerator. We should ask him too.
ballsoutflyer
Another reason why Holocaust denial should be illegal.
Lassannn
Holocaust deniers know full well the Holocaust happened. They only deny it to hurt anyone they can as much as possible.
Wolfshead009
Or just to make people angry.
zenoshogun
* so they can do it again. FTFY
DarkRedCape
Jeff’s days on Twitter are probably numbered, Musk will find a way to ban him
thewiggins
so long as he does not mention stinky by name, musk does not strike me as being capable of metaphor
muchLongerUsername
All I know of my family history is that they left Poland in the late 1930s and that I've met everyone with my surname. ?♂️
Bunnies007
As a kid, my best friend's dad was among the troops who liberated Bergen-Belsen. Any mention of concentration camps and his face turned >
Bunnies007
grey and he would leave the room. He drove a bulldozer pushing bodies into mass graves...
KrisSommer
Wow
Namorath9
Grandfather was a ww2 vet, his unit toured the camps after they were found. It's 1 of the few things he talked about because he wanted us to
Namorath9
Know it happened
1Ofold
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LucilleWhoKnowsNot
People also forget it wasn't just Jews rounded up. My grandfather was not Jewish. Not Gypsy. Not gay. But still killed in a concentratiocamp
torp
Grand dad was in the French resistance. Killed 3 Nazis. Put a notch on his gun for each of them. Still have it. There's room for new notches
MrKirkwood
https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/holocaust-denial-trial-who-david-irving-deborah-lipstadt-richard-j-evans/
bekindtoanimals
I don’t understand deniers of this heinous piece of history
SilentScreamsX
Don't try. They're not worth your time.
apollo1kitten1
Its not about denying, it is about hurting others
jetact12
If you can convince enuff ppl it didn't happen, then they might help you try again.
secondtalon
On the scales of Racism/Antisemitism, they're generally sitting at "I wish Hitler had been successful"
paintingagency
"Hitler never did that but I'm glad he did that".
CplCarrot
They want to repeat it, but claim to be the first. ( not even close)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Some people need history to be a lie, else they'd have have to change their beliefs or feelings. And they absolutely don't want to do that.
kilgoth1
They are pieces of shit.
alittletime
Histories version of object permanence. "I haven't seen it, therefore it's not true" source: nut job family members
OrionRed
I haven't checked, but based on how they rationalize Trump, there's probably some tiny point of general knowledge that isn't true so they
OrionRed
can then accuse everyone of making stuff up. Like "Trump didn't denounce Nazis after the Charlettsville riot." If you recall, he said the
OrionRed
both sides thing, and people asked him on Thursday to denounce Nazis and he wouldn't.... until Monday. So they say "But he DID denounce
OrionRed
Nazis, so you're lying about that!...FAKE NEWS!"
NomadFeetWanderingToes
At its roots is pure antisemitism (not an impartial disagreement on interpreting historical data). In order to buy into.....
NomadFeetWanderingToes
Antisemitic tropes and narratives, you have to remove any and all evidence that Jewish ppl are/were victims of persecution.
ArkoneAxon
Anti-semitism didn't begin or end with the Nazis. What the Holocaust achieved was to make anti-semitism unpopular, by going "too far." That>
ArkoneAxon
is why holocaust deniers want to deny its existence - the very fact of it "ruined" the game of Jew-hating for several generations.
Problemwoodchuck
Partly it's a hereditary attitude passed on through the generations that snowballs out of control and historical antisemitism that has made-
Problemwoodchuck
--Jews scapegoats for centuries, that history is a straight line of "The Jews did it" from the holocaust to the black death and biblical--
Problemwoodchuck
--stories. I think some Nazi Propaganda refers to jews as "Christ Killers" even.
Zaboom16
Thought he quit twitter
ConfederacyOfDunces
Not sure why you thought tha, but apparently he didn't.
Zaboom16
I could have sworn someone posted a picture on imgur of him, saying he quit Twitter when musk took over
Zaboom16
I didn’t say this to be a jerk. I literally thought he deleted his account
Kukiniloa
You're uncle hid from the Nazis for three years just so you could construct awkward sentences about it?
ScarlettNape
*Your - If you wanna play Grammar Nazi, maybe proofread your own comment? Or maybe lay off the upset dude talking about his dead uncle?
thegarts
What percent of people actually deny the holocaust? It has to be low so fuck them!
elgwango1
The Nazis kept excellent record's of most of the people they murdered they were and still available it's all there
cosinewave
Auschwitz has a large archive of records and photos of nearly everyone who went through its gates.
elgwango1
My uncle went to Frankfurt in 1952 and found where his family had ended up & were murdered it's all there
ArkoneAxon
The reason for holocaust denial is that anti-semitism did not begin or end with the Nazis. It was always very popular and fashionable to>
ArkoneAxon
hate and persecute Jews... until the Nazis "went too far," and essentially... ruined the fun. The nearest equivalent would be how the video>
ArkoneAxon
recordings of police abuse against black people has caused more and more white people to abandon their earlier beliefs about being "tough>
ArkoneAxon
on crime," but there are still a few diehards who insist that Breanna Taylor was a drug dealer, because they can't handle the reality.
cosinewave
My dad grew up in Nazi Germany and saw some of his friends start wearing yellow stars just before they stopped coming around to play
OnePieceRoboFranky
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bekindtoanimals
That’s awful
cosinewave
He was just a boy at the time so fortunately he did not know the truth until much later.
DakotaWolf
That realization though, that's heavy
cosinewave
Based on the number of downvotes I have gotten on this post, there are a few holocaust deniers amongst us
leicanthrope
My father in law, an ethnic German from Poland, had similar stories.
sirmixanaverageamount
How old are you? Imgur users always surprise me, there's a huge age range on here
cosinewave
He was quite a bit older than my mother.
mardis
My father fought in WWII but he was 40 when I was born, he lived to 94. I’m 58 and stories got told… it wasn’t that long ago.
OverSpiced
VaultGirl69
I'm stealing this. +1 ?
SecretAgentSuperBooger
L00kH4rd3r2718
Nah, as soon as you told them who it was for, they'd be like, "you had me at 'the Jews', please continue"
cosinewave
I've been there and can tell you it is a moving experience.
kanybal
I mean you don't even have to cross the Atlantic. Went to the Shoah museum/memorial in DC, ended up running out so I wouldn't collapse cryin
Eli93
It is horrible. I'm glad they're conserving them as they were. You can *feel* the misery. What terrifies me most isn't that someone could
Eli93
Have wanted it to happen, but that hundreds of guards there watched it happen and didn't rethink or take their lives...
Kamchatkah
Aksuuuh
"So many ovens, there must have been a huge bakery here back in the day!"
WhyDontYouMakeMe
I've listened to holocaust deniers who visited the camps, and they think the over focus on jews makes anything there hard to believe. Gross
cosinewave
There is not any over-focus on anyone at Auschwitz - one small Jewish memorial is about it. Similar memorials exist for other groups
WhyDontYouMakeMe
I'm sure it's tastefully done, but the people engaging with it in bad faith hear the word "jew" and gain an excuse to challenge truth with
JayEnfield
I mean... That's what the 'concentration' part of the camp is.
paintingagency
When people say "Six million"... that was JUST THE JEWS. There were another ~ six million too. There's no downplaying it.
paintingagency
... and that was just in the camps. A million or so Jews were killed around Europe too.
RobotMenace
Because of family connections I had it hammered into me it wasn't just the Jews and "the others" should be remembered too but fuck that >
RobotMenace
> noise. Even people who barely escaped could see why Jews get the majority of the focus.
MrsSlavicHorse
I think it’s especially important for non-Jews to know that it wasn’t just the Jews, to know that no you’re not safe just because you’re not
MrsSlavicHorse
Jewish, and you should care when a group gets persecuted.
Heisanevilgenius
To be fair, after the war and the Jews were liberated, the homosexuals were sent right back to prison. It is important to remember them all
RobotMenace
I really wasn't saying it's not important to remember them all. Sorry if it sounded like I was.
PopcornScuba3000
200,000 non Jewish Poles also died there. It is important to remember them all.
PopcornScuba3000
I just visited last month. Consider making a trip.
Problemwoodchuck
Eisenhower insisted that the camps be thoroughly documented and witnessed first hand, predicting that one day people would deny it happened
MarkySpaceMagnet
and yet it is the Americans that are loudest in their denials
bigfatpanda89
One more reason I LIKE IKE
Problemwoodchuck
Everybody likes Ike
AuntieCoddswaddle
And we left the gays and people with disabilities in there when we rescued the jews.
Problemwoodchuck
That's true. Many survivor stories went undocumented entirely due to the laws and attitude towards homosexuality in the 40s and 50s.
CityYeti
The first person to deny it, George Lincoln Rockwell, had to put fake articles in magazines so he could spread doubt about the holocaust. He
CityYeti
Was also the first American neo-nazi and the creator of the term "white power"
Txernobog
He knew the human nature, and the POS some people is.
Iamjamjam
Sometimes they do be like that
Joedog624
He was the last real republican. My distant relative, and a personal hero. Hidden hand president. Gave his subordinates all the credit
MorallyCasual
Any idea what would lead him to predict that? That's insightful af
Problemwoodchuck
Eisenhower thought that the Holocaust was beyond description and if it weren't documented widely it would be dismissed as Allied propaganda-
Problemwoodchuck
-against the Germans by future generations since no on had ever seen anything like it before. Part of the reason that people ignored--
Problemwoodchuck
--early information about the holocaust was that it made little sense for Germany to exterminate its own population in the middle of a war.
Problemwoodchuck
Eisenhower recognized that it had to be shown to the world for people to understand what the Nazis had done.
TarrkertheNewt
Yeah. There were a lot of people saying that it would be denied in the years to come. It's sad that they were so correct. x_x
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Problemwoodchuck
I'd argue it's already happened. The GOP openly embraces white supremacy & QAnon and those ideologies can be practically hereditary
grammarcrossingguard
Particularly when 100% of the genetic material is from the same shallow, inbred, Republiclan pool...
secondtalon
I mean, there were people at the time saying it didn't happen. Less "One day" and more "Literally for my afternoon meeting"
Problemwoodchuck
Yeah, definitely. The State Department tried to shut down reports coming from Europe on the Holocaust as war rumor up until late in the war
ThePastmaster
Inmate 4859. Infiltrated Auschwitz and broke out. His report was dismissed as exaggerated. Witold Pilecki was executed by communists later.
Xionis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pc1oSYXlUQ We know his name!
bekindtoanimals
Good thing he was prescient
LoneWanderer101
Eisenhower was really one of the best people for the worst times. He knew the importance of never forgetting what was done there
Lampmonster
Also warned us from the inside about the military industrial complex. Should have listened. Oh well!
euphoricopportunity
Between the antiwar movement and all antimilitary sentiment in movies, an attempt was made.
euphoricopportunity
There was a short time between the Cold War and the War On Terror where they talked about slashing the military budget as a "peace dividend"
Iamjamjam
That will never happen. We literally don't have anything else to 'brag' about
euphoricopportunity
Like, a month in 1993 or something
PicassoCT
Its really shocking, that grown men and woman, would make up a fairytale of a story thats comforting for them..
PicassoCT
.. unless it has always been that way. At all times, with all people. But then, all of history, would be made up nonsense, unless..
PicassoCT
.. it was uncomfortable for those who wrote it down. Nothing is trustworthy, but the bad stuff..
Semphir
Not even the bad stuff is. A lot of what we know about early empire comes from the greeks, written a lot later and with a bunch of disdain..
Semphir
And a bunch of dramatic colouring in the case of herodotus... And history written by winners, that would kinda make the loser look evil