I wonder how things would look if a very large group of protestors were also openly carrying. I don't think ICE would be getting so rough with their pepperball guns and Army surplus gear.
You have to start handcuffing yourself to one another or nearby objects. I'm a sicko so I'll handcuff myself to an ICE agent so we can spend some quality time together.
I'm starting to suspect violence is the only language they understand. If they keep going how they are eventually the masses will have a "conversation" with them
You need to get your fastest friends to sit on the perimeter. 😅. Love to see them try to drag my fat ass outta there. I'd flop like a toddler. Hope you like that hernia!
If you are ever in this situation, link arms with the people to either side of you and hold on fast. If they try to drag one person away, they're going to be pulling against all of you instead of individuals.
Fucking Gestapo. They have no right to act this way, and should be imprisoned. We really need a Presidential Criminal Acts Tribunal and every one of these assholes need be arrested and imprisoned. I am fully expecting to be knocked out of my chair, stomped on, after all, I am such a threat at 75 and an invalid.
Every single ICE employee, from the ones calling the shots, to the boots on the ground, to the paper pushers, needs to be charged with the entire breadth of ICE's crimes.
Is it? How is it? They still are snatching people daily. They still are trampling rights daily. The government is still being dismantled. The military purged. But yes. I'm sure your peaceful marches will really shame them into change. Americans are fucking pathetic.
Not this lot specifically. They're being prevented from leaving their compound. Would be great if this was happening at every ICE location simultaneously. I'm not saying it's the only thing that should be happening, but alongside many other actions it is certainly not unhelpful.
That's why you should go. We need to start getting violent. We need to start surrounding them when they do these things and beat their ass. They are just going to get more violent as time goes on.
"Trump wants that to happen so he can use Martial Law." Let him. The US has dealt with violent kings before. We can easily do it again.
Please please go to every protest then. In Houston someone shot a supposed ICE agent, he wouldn't identify himself and tried to bash down the door - she faced no charges bc of "stand your ground" laws - similar to laws that protected Rittenhouse, they can stand even when away from your home. Someone who isn't afraid of fighting is ideal for the frontlines of this unchecked aggression, bc so many protesters are so afraid and not equipped. They need defenders.
When i do a violence, it's not a good time for all parties involved. Including me. Im the guy who will choke you out while making eye contact while you beat my face. I won't let go. I'll smash your teeth. I'll make sure you never forget what happened or, if it's personal, who did it to you. I don't want to be that way. It wouldn't be helpful. Until it is. Atm it's not. Fuckin soon though unfortunately. I feel I'd be a hindrance. I get you though. They do need to be protected.
Be even more effective if we were connecting with other people of the same mindset in our local areas and start showing up to these events as an armed group. Still peacefully protesting but proudly with our weapons.
i was looking at a gun club thats near me before this, but since trump called any group that opposes him and a far right paper called out the group. theyve seemed to have ran off and hide from the world. i dont see them ever contacting me now. only the right is organizated at large scales. the left never had a desire for anything more than small independent groups and the center didnt care which they joined. i also live in a red area, so i alone anyways.
I also live in a decently red area of southern Ohio. But im lucky that in my area its getting less and less trumpy. Haven't seen a red hat in a while at least.
I haven't done much unfortunately but I'm trying. I can't go to the protests but I'm doing my best to help those around me. Especially the kids. These folks are braver than me. I'd just fight.
The cowards are the ones with the masks and the guns son. Anyone who sits right there is a fucking hero, and a possible casualty. Anyone who stands to fight back is most definitely a casualty, and a double hero. Get to the front line or STFU
Same here. But what can you guys do? If you protest peacefully, ICE dudes will do whatever since they can see there are no consequences for their actions. But if ppl get enough and start making riot gear and helmets and use loads of bear spray, then yellow-old-smelly-one gets the excuse he need to use troops domestically.
Exactly. If martial law gets declared, shit gets real. That’s what they want. That’s how Trump takes over the US. He’s already got everyone accepting whatever lies he wants to tell. He’s been desensitizing the world to his nonsense so he can do whatever he wants, whenever he chooses.
They already have all the power they need. This is how they keep it nonescalated and stay in power. Your violence is the only way you stop this. If it was possible to do it peacefully, it would have happened already.
They WANT violence to "justify" their actions, but they don't NEED it to keep doing what they're doing. It might not sound like a big difference, but it's massive.
"Non-lethal" just doesn't exist. They use terminology like "less-than-lethal" specifically to acknowledge that pepperballs and rubber bullets can and have caused fatalities. It's a good thing that they're using more precise terminology, both because it makes it harder for them to weasel out of acknowledging brutality and because some of the crayon-eaters probably were firing rubber bullets willy-nilly thinking they couldn't kill.
I don't like to play Devil's Advocate, and won't hold water for pigs, but it's important that you understand that it's the 40mm rounds which are deadly at short range, not .50 pepperballs which are variant paintballs.
Both will cost you an eye at short/medium/long range without eye protection, but I have not seen any reports of gas pellet fatality at any distance, where 40mm launchers (pictured below) are liable to kill so at any range within their maximum.
Is the audio playing for you? I know it's been screwy on the app recently. If not, there is audio and you can clearly hear when they're shooting their paintball gun-looking weapons. The guy at the very beginning, pointing his weapon awkwardly down at the seated people, happens to coincide with the sound of four shots. Another guy at the very end fired three more.
I see a guy pointing a weapon but I don't see any shots being fired or anyone reacting as though they'd been hit, no clouds of smoke, etc. I do see the guy at the end firing shots but not what he's shooting or what he's aiming at.
Man walks up on right side aiming weapon down at protestors point blank - firing sounds emanate in that direction before what appears to be a flashbang or smoke grenade?
Pepper balls i think but the person firing seems clear and in frame
Getting shot point-blank like that would hurt like a motherfucker. If it were beanbags or rubber bullets from a real gun it could even kill, but I think that's a paintball gun. You'd see and probably hear their reactions either way.
Shooter(s) is/are out of frame, but can be heard firing repeatedly even before 0:07 mark is reached, when stun grenade detonates. Multiple cops can be seen wielding pepperball guns (hoppers attached above in manner which appears identical to paintball guns).
If they're shooting pepper balls, we should see the little clouds from them. Otherwise I would assume they're rubber bullets or paintballs. And without seeing what they're shooting, we can't just assume they're being shot point-blank.
You can't even see the gunmen, let alone their targets, and neither can I. I wasn't counting on being able to see like clouds of anything with that camerawork.
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
Omfg I wanna see these fuckers unmasked and beaten back. So fucking tough throwing unarmed people around. Fucking loser.
Chowmeng
Shoot them.
cjandstuff
I wonder how things would look if a very large group of protestors were also openly carrying. I don't think ICE would be getting so rough with their pepperball guns and Army surplus gear.
SmergBlaerghl
Max1mumEff0rt
You have to start handcuffing yourself to one another or nearby objects. I'm a sicko so I'll handcuff myself to an ICE agent so we can spend some quality time together.
nachosyndicate
These fucking ice cowards.
cuprohastes
Wait… was that LIGHT GARY?
YeastInfectedWhiskerBiscuit
All this to catch legal citizens.
WhatisBug
Brave souls
timidtimeturner
I'm starting to suspect violence is the only language they understand. If they keep going how they are eventually the masses will have a "conversation" with them
FusRoDer
@smooshiebanana SoOoOoOoo many
cabalin
Where are the police?
Lugh314159
You need to get your fastest friends to sit on the perimeter. 😅. Love to see them try to drag my fat ass outta there. I'd flop like a toddler. Hope you like that hernia!
Zelosse
My fat ass when they think anything but a crane is lifting me up
howcansomeonepossiblyhavethesameweirdusernamealready
If you are ever in this situation, link arms with the people to either side of you and hold on fast. If they try to drag one person away, they're going to be pulling against all of you instead of individuals.
mercswar
While i support the protests this isnt really brutality more just trying to forcefully move them out of the driveway
DJOldguy
Fucking Gestapo. They have no right to act this way, and should be imprisoned. We really need a Presidential Criminal Acts Tribunal and every one of these assholes need be arrested and imprisoned. I am fully expecting to be knocked out of my chair, stomped on, after all, I am such a threat at 75 and an invalid.
VelvetWarhol
tomgordon55
Just thugs in s gang
ArchmageMelek
5GTurnedTheFrogsGay
Still can't believe there are people in my own country who see this and think "hell yeah."
So gross.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
I can't believe these are actual government employees.
magical8ball
Why not? It's not like they are special because they are government. Here is another from a few years ago doing terrible things to sitting protestors.
OhIfIMust
“A few years ago…”
WireWynaut
Every single ICE employee, from the ones calling the shots, to the boots on the ground, to the paper pushers, needs to be charged with the entire breadth of ICE's crimes.
ThatMangoAteMyBabyy
Am I the only person alive that is happy to know that the bully I had in school is employed?
Calicoastin818
Fascist assholes
BrookeLillyHeart
Do something, stop watching this isn't tv folks
KoalaOnTheJuice
The protesters are doing a great job though.
This is really disrupting the terror campaign of this particular group of bastards. Kudos to them.
BrdCdn
Is it? How is it? They still are snatching people daily. They still are trampling rights daily. The government is still being dismantled. The military purged. But yes. I'm sure your peaceful marches will really shame them into change. Americans are fucking pathetic.
KoalaOnTheJuice
Not this lot specifically. They're being prevented from leaving their compound. Would be great if this was happening at every ICE location simultaneously. I'm not saying it's the only thing that should be happening, but alongside many other actions it is certainly not unhelpful.
BenderRodriguz1010
I couldn't do this. I can't peacefully protest in this manner because if you touch me, we're fighting.
SerialChickenLover
This is exactly why I can’t go to these protests. My temper and sense of justice are such that I couldn’t promise my wife I’d come home.
procrastinatortwo
Yes, best for the cause and for the family, if you stay on the couch playing video games.
ThoseRulesArentReal
Yeah I stay away or at the edge for the same reason
rfleming1080
That's why you should go. We need to start getting violent. We need to start surrounding them when they do these things and beat their ass. They are just going to get more violent as time goes on.
"Trump wants that to happen so he can use Martial Law." Let him. The US has dealt with violent kings before. We can easily do it again.
monkeyfly
They'd love an excuse to start shooting.
BenderRodriguz1010
I know. That's why I know i can't do it. I'd be a danger to those I'm trying to protect.
Leoncroi
Heaven help me if I get ahold of their paintball marker; they turn a blind eye to fascism, I'll make their vision match their morals: gone.
BIDWK
I can hardly watch without my blood boiling, I would be so fucking dead if I were an American
serendipitist
Fun idea - dress like an ICE agent first.
BenderRodriguz1010
Oh boy lol
mikeatike
They want to murder protesters. This gives them the excuse.
I duno what the solution is tho. Nazis need bullets.
Nooooooooooooooooooooo
Same here. I wouldn't be able to stand there and watch it happen without getting violent. This is why I don't participate right now.
HowlingRollercoaster2
Same. Trying to preserve my ability to be useful, and working on getting my family out
darkninja2992
Yeah, i probably would have been throwing molotovs already. Probably a good thing i stay home while the protests aren't yet riots
powwerbottom
Please please go to every protest then. In Houston someone shot a supposed ICE agent, he wouldn't identify himself and tried to bash down the door - she faced no charges bc of "stand your ground" laws - similar to laws that protected Rittenhouse, they can stand even when away from your home. Someone who isn't afraid of fighting is ideal for the frontlines of this unchecked aggression, bc so many protesters are so afraid and not equipped. They need defenders.
BenderRodriguz1010
When i do a violence, it's not a good time for all parties involved. Including me. Im the guy who will choke you out while making eye contact while you beat my face. I won't let go. I'll smash your teeth. I'll make sure you never forget what happened or, if it's personal, who did it to you. I don't want to be that way. It wouldn't be helpful. Until it is. Atm it's not. Fuckin soon though unfortunately. I feel I'd be a hindrance. I get you though. They do need to be protected.
BenderRodriguz1010
I've had a REALLY BAD IDEA also. Like so so bad. If you've seen the movie, you'll get the plan.
BenderRodriguz1010
dootdootiamgroot
If they touch me they gonna meet my .45
HowlingRollercoaster2
People like us need to connect and be ready when that time comes.
dootdootiamgroot
Be even more effective if we were connecting with other people of the same mindset in our local areas and start showing up to these events as an armed group. Still peacefully protesting but proudly with our weapons.
ProjectDA
i was looking at a gun club thats near me before this, but since trump called any group that opposes him and a far right paper called out the group. theyve seemed to have ran off and hide from the world. i dont see them ever contacting me now. only the right is organizated at large scales. the left never had a desire for anything more than small independent groups and the center didnt care which they joined. i also live in a red area, so i alone anyways.
dootdootiamgroot
I also live in a decently red area of southern Ohio. But im lucky that in my area its getting less and less trumpy. Haven't seen a red hat in a while at least.
Alykat06660
It’s overdue that you did.
SirDucken
I carry a bat with me when I go out
YouRadicalizedMe
Fucking cowards sitting down!! Fucking COWARDS!
Chilichunks
Let's see what you've done. Come on, show us how brave and tough you are.
BenderRodriguz1010
I haven't done much unfortunately but I'm trying. I can't go to the protests but I'm doing my best to help those around me. Especially the kids. These folks are braver than me. I'd just fight.
LordFancypantsicus
Eat shit. Respectfully.
powwerbottom
The cowards are the ones with the masks and the guns son. Anyone who sits right there is a fucking hero, and a possible casualty. Anyone who stands to fight back is most definitely a casualty, and a double hero. Get to the front line or STFU
BenderRodriguz1010
Aye, well said.
hyptosis
Cholf
This is why I avoid going to protests. The raging punk in me wants to desperately stomp nazi guts out.
BenderRodriguz1010
Fucking A right
hotrodny
Same here. But what can you guys do? If you protest peacefully, ICE dudes will do whatever since they can see there are no consequences for their actions. But if ppl get enough and start making riot gear and helmets and use loads of bear spray, then yellow-old-smelly-one gets the excuse he need to use troops domestically.
DocWino
Exactly. If martial law gets declared, shit gets real. That’s what they want. That’s how Trump takes over the US. He’s already got everyone accepting whatever lies he wants to tell. He’s been desensitizing the world to his nonsense so he can do whatever he wants, whenever he chooses.
alrightalrightalrightpartyatthemoontower
It’s not him really. He’s playing golf. This is people who are using him to play a longer game.
hotrodny
So, what will you do?
DocWino
What will you do.?
hotrodny
I don't live in the US. That's why i ask
woemsw
They need your violence to gain more power. Would be scary if they instigate it or lie about it.
Rebatu
They already have all the power they need. This is how they keep it nonescalated and stay in power.
Your violence is the only way you stop this. If it was possible to do it peacefully, it would have happened already.
GreenMnM
They ARE lying about it. Constantly. Everyday.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
They WANT violence to "justify" their actions, but they don't NEED it to keep doing what they're doing. It might not sound like a big difference, but it's massive.
fknbastard
Firing tear gas pellets at point blank is not non-lethal
Bastion144
They've shifted to "less lethal," because when you try to kill someone hard enough, sometimes you succeed.
2074red2074
"Non-lethal" just doesn't exist. They use terminology like "less-than-lethal" specifically to acknowledge that pepperballs and rubber bullets can and have caused fatalities. It's a good thing that they're using more precise terminology, both because it makes it harder for them to weasel out of acknowledging brutality and because some of the crayon-eaters probably were firing rubber bullets willy-nilly thinking they couldn't kill.
circlebreaker
I don't like to play Devil's Advocate, and won't hold water for pigs, but it's important that you understand that it's the 40mm rounds which are deadly at short range, not .50 pepperballs which are variant paintballs.

Both will cost you an eye at short/medium/long range without eye protection, but I have not seen any reports of gas pellet fatality at any distance, where 40mm launchers (pictured below) are liable to kill so at any range within their maximum.
rbudrick
They know. They want you super fucking angry so you fight back. They want you dead, and they want an excuse to kill you.
2074red2074
Where do you see tear gas pellets being fired?
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Bastion144
Is the audio playing for you? I know it's been screwy on the app recently. If not, there is audio and you can clearly hear when they're shooting their paintball gun-looking weapons. The guy at the very beginning, pointing his weapon awkwardly down at the seated people, happens to coincide with the sound of four shots. Another guy at the very end fired three more.
2074red2074
I see a guy pointing a weapon but I don't see any shots being fired or anyone reacting as though they'd been hit, no clouds of smoke, etc. I do see the guy at the end firing shots but not what he's shooting or what he's aiming at.
fknbastard
Man walks up on right side aiming weapon down at protestors point blank - firing sounds emanate in that direction before what appears to be a flashbang or smoke grenade?
Pepper balls i think but the person firing seems clear and in frame
2074red2074
And those protestors are getting shot point-blank and not even flinching?
Rebatu
I dont see from this angle if they are flinching or not
2074red2074
Getting shot point-blank like that would hurt like a motherfucker. If it were beanbags or rubber bullets from a real gun it could even kill, but I think that's a paintball gun. You'd see and probably hear their reactions either way.
fknbastard
Iunno. Looks like there is a small cloud near the target but then they drag her out
Rebatu
And the guy in blue did react
2074red2074
The guy in the blue coat? When do you see him reacting to getting shot?
circlebreaker
Shooter(s) is/are out of frame, but can be heard firing repeatedly even before 0:07 mark is reached, when stun grenade detonates. Multiple cops can be seen wielding pepperball guns (hoppers attached above in manner which appears identical to paintball guns).
2074red2074
If they're shooting pepper balls, we should see the little clouds from them. Otherwise I would assume they're rubber bullets or paintballs. And without seeing what they're shooting, we can't just assume they're being shot point-blank.
circlebreaker
You can't even see the gunmen, let alone their targets, and neither can I. I wasn't counting on being able to see like clouds of anything with that camerawork.
2074red2074
So how do you know they were firing tear gas pellets at point-blank range if you can't see the gunmen or their targets?