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If you think fascism can never happen in America, think again.
Jul 18, 2020 7:06 PM
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If you think fascism can never happen in America, think again.
spattr
Dirtbags aren't particularly bright.
sirbartonslady
Y'all know why they're cheering, right? Cuz it's happening to "the other side"
Netlawyer
If that guy only had his AR-15 on him everything would have been fine. /s Of course not. He's ded.Biden wins? Then we're back to Jade Helm.
ThunderBob
First they came for the Democrats....
DreamingOfDistantShores
Well, first it was the immigrants, with this bunch. Literally, as border patrol is part of this multi-organization PACT group. But yes.
dschuma
Is there a link to a story? All I see are Facebook, Twitter, and imgur posts
dmachine
https://www.google.com/search?q=portland+unmarked+vans&client=ms-android-att-us&tbm=nws&prmd=sinv&ei=qokTX9raMtTk9APN8oO4DA&start=0&sa=N&biw
greggor
Literally just google it. It’s on every major news source by now.
odinstorm
If it's unmarked and unidentified then how do you know it's federal secret police?
chaft
You don’t, people need to protect themselves and need to realize the cops are a reactionary force
Rhewin
Inb4 a cultist says something about them not being secret because we know DHS sent them. We knew who sent the KGB too.
Roshiro
Hate to be that guy, but they knew who sent the SS to round of Jews. Just another example of secret police with ulterior motives.
Alkuam2
Donald's House of Shrimp? And given what's going in russia right now, Killer Gay Bashers.
MileHighLivin
The fact the militia types warned this could happen and people should arm themselves, seems like a good reason for people to arm themselves
chaft
Gun sales are rising just hope they get training otherwise the self inflicted gunshot “cleaning it” category is going to go up too
smorsdoeuvres
Waffles4u
https://youtu.be/qfNrnIPpmmE
EvilDeadTed
Dude, you're being brainwashed.
Waffles4u
How so? What was incorrect?
complimentpin
It's almost it's a tribal game, like a sport, where it's about your side winning than having nuanced beliefs and not being a hypocrite!
KingKelevra
Careful...I’ve been downvoted for saying such blasphemous things
Caonashi78
I have appropriated this meme for future use.
SecretlyASiberianHusky
Once they realize how great big government is they realize they want big government not limited
TheFrypo
Because conservatives want a lowkey tyranny but with McDonald's.
LordofSandvich
As long as they're not tyrannizing US it's great
TheFrypo
But terrorizing poor people is fine and dandy.
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
Trump supporters are cheering these agents on just so you know they are rounding up known people involved damage done around town
EvilDeadTed
How do you know? It's secret police (?) just rounding people up on the street.
BlackHartMTB
Conservatives: “protesters destroying Target is bad” - sees a mask display... destroys Target.
4thwalled
skellington01
He’s testing wether he can get away with a coup, and apparently he can. Nothing’s gonna stop him.
iamthisguy247
Do people know if those they have detained have been released? Do we know anything about where they have been taking them?
andrewsdad1
Yes the detainees are released hours later. The are taken to the federal building, searched, questioned and released.
kittyanya
Woman was taken, booked. She demanded a lawyer. They shoved her back into a vehicle and dropped her on the other side of town.
Rhewin
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland
ourari
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/17/reports-federal-officers-detain-portland-protesters-unmarked-vans/5457471002/
Ellaeeeeee
They’re being taken to the courthouse and released after asking about other protesters.There is no paperwork of them being arrested
MoneAbrahms
Rumor (i.e. I read somewhere & don’t remember the source) is they are taken in, no charges mentioned, detained a couple hours, and released
Bombideer
Another rumor that the main video circulating is of an extraction (plausible), but the fact that there are multiple other cases is scary
TheSorrowsofYoungWerthersOriginal
Sound like a scare tactic: 'If you don't shut up, we can take you. Make you or your allies disappear'.
avyon
Maybe testing the waters to see how the rest of the country reacts to it...
DreamingOfDistantShores
Also note that these are Federal officers. So they can search you, find you carrying pot (legal in Oregon, still Federally illegal), and /1
DreamingOfDistantShores
you're in trouble for it. And they're searching everyone as part of the intake process, per the ones who have reported back.
georgeforsythe6911
The relatives seem pretty quiet
Miller16of16
This is the same playbook US has used across C and S America and beyond. Perfect situation to inject some extrajudicial paras. Who do you>
Miller16of16
complain to when you don't even know who you're dealing with? Gov wrings their hands and says "its not us" or "there's nothing we can do"
ihaveneverhadbutteronapoptart
Feds should only be defending the federal buildings. Let local and state police clean up the mess that is Portland.
ihaveneverhadbutteronapoptart
If they can’t, or won’t, and you don’t want the riots to continue then elect new officials.
Munchman347
'They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...'
drksilenc
they were marked stop fucking posting this garbage.
IAmNotNSAsodonotbeparanoid
Shit looks staged to gather outrage
ljw1004
I haven't read anywhere of militia types cheering
Caliban1972
They are just pissed they failed to qualify for the govt jobs that would let them do this.
chaft
Shhhh it’s Imgur you’re either with the mass or against it, we don’t use logic here cuz we only like things that sound good to us... /1
chaft
I also haven’t seen anyone cheer for this bullshit I’ve only heard of 2Aers that find it criminal and wouldn’t end well if it was them
scavenger98888
Thers several subreddits where ive seen plenty of praise, not to mention a stickied topic on thedonalf
chaft
“I’ve looked into the shadows and found it to be dark”...
vonHoopla
C'mon America, you fought for your right to bare arms, NOW is the time to use them!
tlamstrike
Why? Trump is making all the wrong moves, he's doing our work for us. The counterinsurgency manual says to NOT do exactly this.
vonHoopla
Actually, would the manual even be relevant to the current state of the US? It's getting kinda weird over there...
GrootGear
Waiting for the videos to come out, not buying the kidnapping protestors. Rioters maybe, well have to wait and see.
mickison
That’s because they’re the pussies we all suspected they were. No actual convictions. Just like to play army guy dress up
jnthnCheeseVoter
Youre right. They're little men with protection of the law. Behind bars until proven guilty, half ass represented by the public defender1/2
jnthnCheeseVoter
Handling 90% of the counties case load, " fair and equal representation," while doing lines in the bathroom with the prosecuter/s.a.
EarlyBrown
Why is it "they?" If you're a US citizen, the 2Am covers YOU, too. Think this is tyranny? Mount up. Or maybe you're the pussy?
oumajgad
No, it's because for decades those "militia types" were called rednecks, morons, psychos etc. Ofc they wont help. Who would?
killbillsexwife
So I guess it’s become blatantly clear 2a is just for shooting each other and def not managing a tyrannical govt.
filben7
Really, at this point, theres the piss in the wind gun control crowd just trying to make gun look less cool and then theres everyone else.
sirbartonslady
not when the tyrannical gov't is their own guy, of course
ghsdkgb
Let Biden into office and just *not undo* 1/10 of Trump's bullshit and suddenly those 2a people will be marching on the Capitol.
chaft
I’d be cool with Biden if he didn’t have a hard on for gun laws a subject he has shown he his criminally lacking of knowledge on vote /1
chaft
Outside your teams find people that actually have knowledge and understanding of issues that fall in line with your ideals
tj764
im sorry but in what world is the addition of armed freedom fighters make this situation better and not a bloodbath
EarlyBrown
Countless times through history, it's taken bloodbaths to make situations better. Unfortunate, but true. Pray it doesn't get to that point.
chaft
That’s what’s funny people keep calling for the 2Aers to just go out and start a war for them... the system is still in place and is /1
chaft
Functioning albeit not very well but the 2A isn’t the answer to all problems it is the final solution. In every situation the pull of the /2
chaft
Trigger is a last result as most incidents that require a firearm are resolved by its presence alone or even the mention/reaching of it
OttomanWhovian
No, they fantasize about being the next Anders Breivik, or the next New Zealand Mosque shooter, or the next Pittsburgh Synagogue shooter.
chaft
It’s funny I only see the call for the 2Aers to cause bloodshed is the anti-gunners and some of the stupid boog memers
Trollygag
Literally nobody does any more than you fantasize about being the next Chairman Mao.
BugOutReady1
If a suspect was seen damaging Federal property, Federal agents may arrest him.By not doing it in the midst of the protesters, the van isn’t
BugOutReady1
2)being torched or agents assaulted. Suspect looks like he has his own version of“militarization”. Agents might be building a database.
Caliban1972
They aren't actually arresting anyone. This is just a political stunt to make Trump look strong. It's all catch and release to scare them.
KevynDietz
Law enforcement still needs to be identifiable to be held accountable if they abuse their authority. Unmarked cops making arrests without
KevynDietz
expressed charges should be terrifying, regardless of if it's a valid arrest or not.
sr22e
no proof the officers involved did not have unique identifiers to tell them apart. they may not have any a civilian would easily recognize
KevynDietz
That kind of defeats the purpose. How would a civilian have recourse if they cannot identify an officer that violated their rights?
sr22e
lawyers, and the investigation committees coupled with a plethora of video and telemetry data of the operation
sr22e
example....how many feds can you pick out of a crowd in any given day exactly? nothing new here
GCRust
I say this as someone who very much dislikes firearms. This shit happening here? This is why we have a Second Amendment.
jnthnCheeseVoter
Suggestions and bullshit. Those have been double standards since day one. Try telling a cop about free speech
greggor
You don’t need to tell them anything. We outnumber them 400 to 1.
Trollygag
The 2A doesn't float down from the clouds to save the day. It is only one ingredient, and sometimes isn't even the best one. From a 2Aer.
Trollygag
Unfortunately, the government has used security to cripple the most important ingredient - speech. That makes it tough to organize.
Trollygag
Even in nonviolent ways as the government often infiltrates and inflames, then destroys on pretense of violence.
polarpurple
Passive resistance first. Very confused why this guy willingly walked away with randos if they really hadnt identified themselves first.
CaldariBob
...unless they knew each other...
CaldariBob
"There's more of us, but who goes first..."
ScottaHemi
this is why firearm sales are up 500%! i hope these people are getting proper training... a lot of noobs with guns out there right now...
Youhavinagiraffe
Speaking as someone from outside the US, I don't get how the second amendment is supposed to help with a situation like this
bakminn360
To fight against tyranny.
thatscool22
Revolutions don’t happen with hugs.
greggor
You’re supposed to shoot people who do this. What isn’t clear? An armed populace is difficult to oppress.
EvilDeadTed
Except the 2A warriors are largely Republican and cheering this on.
FellsApprentice
So maybe you should become one yourself and Change the status quo. If I was in Portland, I'd be stacking bodies right now
EvilDeadTed
I'm Canadian. I'll go to war if Trump or Biden tries to annex us.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
Portland had riots and crap for a month man. Businesses all have their windows boarded thanks to this crap.
EvilDeadTed
Apologist for fascism.
greggor
That doesn’t excuse secret police snatching people off the street outside their jurisdiction, without identification, and no habeas corpus
chloramphenicolderivative
The US police should look at how South Korea changed their protest/riot response in 2015.
GCRust
That doesn't justify no identification at all. Unless you want anybody that owns fatigues and kevlar to be allowed to just grab whomever.
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
people don't care they want them gone
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
Cops are getting doxxed too. So this is complicated
GCRust
Ngl, I'd be more sympathetic to cops being doxxed if they weren't out demonstrating exactly WHY people are protesting in the first place.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Cops were also looting businesses and randomly shooting people for daring to video tape them shooting people. So complicated.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
When did they loot buisnesses?
dirkthejerk41
Do people really not understand why the feds went there or is this willful ignorance
sr22e
both...with a lack for law enforcement in the area, this was woefully late in happening, but exactly what folks need to cry "FOUL!"
wadatahmydamie
Don’t pretend you’re an American, turncoat.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
Imgur thinks the rioters are all peaceful and ignores the massive damage being done In Portland.
Caliban1972
"Massive". All I hear from locals is that it's confined to 3 blocks at most and the local authorities have been gradually deescalating.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
It's more than 3 blocks.
Caliban1972
Prove it.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
Lol prove it isn't.
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
still enough damage for most to be okay with the feds stepping in
Caliban1972
That's bullshit - most people are not OK with this. Only one man was calling for this - our failed leader of a President.
sr22e
tbh in my area most folks haven't been okay with cities being held hostage/destroyed for months while local officials just shrug at it
xoverthirtyx
And he’s using that bullshit executive order about protecting monuments as pretense.
Kheldarn
They're not unmarked. They're not secret police. They're not grabbing random people.
greggor
None of that is true. They have “Police” written on their otherwise unmarked uniforms. They are not police. They use unmarked rental cars.
Caliban1972
They are just grabbing people - No miranda rights, no paperwork. Then releasing them without charges - it's a scare tactic, not police work
leroy666
No marked cars? No badges or ID? Covered faces? No identifiable uniform? No body cams? No Miranda? Looks pretty Gestapo to me.
sigmarius
Seriously. They're literally wearing patches on their sleeves.
greggor
I don’t see a patch. What does it say?
Caliban1972
I watched a few videos - the only patches they have say "POLICE" - any other identifiers have been removed or covered up.
Caliban1972
You can see where patches should be on their sleeves, but they are blank or removed.
xoverthirtyx
You want a ‘Police’ patch, Dude? I can get you a ‘Police’ patch...Seriously though tell us the officer’s name/agency on the patch, Eagle Eye
Snarklepuff
Some wearing DHS uniforms. Some were not. People taken away in unmarked rental vans without an explanation of charges. State terrorism.
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
most people have sides, not values. When I say most people, I do very much mean most people.
sc363
I am just trying to imagine anyone advocating a shadow police.. group or not. I wouldn't. It's insane.
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
Oh but you see, those are OUR shadow police. They enforce OUR ideas. Any group that values the endgoal over other things can think this.
sc363
I can't fathom that on my personsl side because that's literally loss of due process.
JollyWatson
Why I had the bipartisan bullshit system we have, so many people are just like "my side good, the other side EVIL"
eg842000
Sorry you know such crappy people.
mustbethedragon
Sides, not values: that's the wisest thing I've read in a long time. If we were in person, I'd want to be your friend based on that alone.
Snooj
If one of those vans showed up at one single house with guns and took the guns instead of the people they would burn the country down.
chaft
If they tried to take someone like that with guns I also wouldn’t be to sure how that story ends
kingkongkeom
99.99999% of the times nothing would happen and noone would fight back. They would first take the gun away and then take the guy.
chaft
As suspicious as the whole thing is and grossly you’re over estimating with your %
kingkongkeom
You actually think people fight back? In a climate of "police kills for fun"? Nah man, if 4 heavily armed "secret agents" jump you, you obey
andthejokeiscokefizz
Idek how many times I’ve said I hate trump and had some braindead republican yell wELL WHAT ABOUT WHEN OBAMA DID XYZ, checkmate libtard! (1)
andthejokeiscokefizz
then get all pissed when I say “yeah, so? Obama was awful too. He was a war criminal, just like trump is.” Its like people are incapable (2)
andthejokeiscokefizz
of realizing you can not like trump while also not being super liberal. And vise-versa for Democrats. Its like bruh just because you’re (3)
andthejokeiscokefizz
too blinded by the two party system and have some twisted sense of moral purity doesn’t mean I do too. It’s so mindnumbingly stupid. We (4)
andthejokeiscokefizz
genuinely need to fucking burn the two party system to the ground, it’s making people insane and only benefits people like trump.
madpathmoth
Two party system needs to be thoroughly destroyed and replaced~
digasisv
Sad, but true. Maybe now we all can see why we should be standing up for all of our rights and not just those we like.
CoarseAndSalty
Yeah, except one party's value is oppressing the other side. Naturally the other party is going to value not being oppressed.
circleit
Constructive Criticism - The statement is too vague. Both sides will claim this to be true of the other.
circleit
Instead, share which parties you mean to be oppressor and oppressed so that others are not left to make assumptions. :)
CoarseAndSalty
Creative Criticism - One side is factually correct. It's the side with the factually oppressed peoples. If that's confusing you're on the
CoarseAndSalty
Wrong side.
TinyBadger101
Disagree. If the Charlottesville white supremacists had been pulled off the street by unmarked federal officers into unmarked vans and 1/*
TinyBadger101
"disappeared" or detained, I would very much be opposed to that also. Fascism is WRONG, period. This is not a "both sides" do it thing. 2/2
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
Your own thoughts on the matter doesn't change the fact that many people don't share them. -
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
- Many people would've been quite happy to see the charlottesville crowd visited with violence. State sponsored or otherwise. -
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
- And while I ALSO share this opinion on the matter of what's going on, it's not a 'both sides' thing it's an ALL PEOPLE thing -
TinyBadger101
Most people do share them, though. I have heard no one advocating for fascism outside the right. It is not "both sides" on this one.
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
I am not making a both sides claim. Though, I will say, 'the left' is very fond of political violence.
TheSorrowsofYoungWerthersOriginal
I dare say all people. The difference you can make is how you deal with that. Thinking we know what's what makes us susceptible to errors.
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
Yeah. Most important thing to keep in mind about ALL this sorta stuff, is that no one is immune to it. Especially oneself.
etherbunny41
It's almost never All people. Many. Most. A mojority. As someone who'd doesn't give a shit about party politics, there's always an exceptio.
WhichIsIt
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definitelynotawolf
Makes things complicated when the party divisions are in your family
Sighered
My dad said he may never forgive me for saying I was glad Rush is dying of cancer. I said I’d never forgive that guy for poisoning my father
Bananaformeow
My dad sent me a drunk text about still loving me as his daughter even though Democrats hate Republicans.
Bananaformeow
I had to reiterate, numerous times, that I'm not a Democrat. I'm an independent/Libertarian voter. And to never talk politics with me again.
GQPisadeathcult
Thanks Rush, Faux, Glen and Alex and their benefactors for creating the Frankensteins on the right. They have ballooned into mindless...
GQPisadeathcult
...zombies and the left responded in kind accordingly. Evil and hate is contagious.
papalongshlong
1/ I like how you got more dislikes on this one as if there isn’t a big problem on the left too where a lot of us just see any trump
GQPisadeathcult
Yeah...but it didn’t start on the left..not by a long shot. Rich white guys are pitting the working and people of color against another...
papalongshlong
2/ voter and immediately decide they’re racist nazis despite not having talked to them for even a second. Hate for each other is strong
montyman185
That's the real problem in america today, you should never hate people you disagree wih
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LuminoZero
I don't hate people for disagreeing with me, I hate them for cheering as our nation descends into a fascist dictatorship.
KamalaKilledJoe
That's what you say, yet you still hate.
LuminoZero
Congratulations, you can read.
greentights
I hate them for spreading disease and causing suffering for everyone else
XalenthLKairo
Do these people show back up? Do they have anything to say. Or are they "gone"?
sr22e
the complaint is there is no arrest record recorded, even though there were no arrests to record...all were released near as anyone can tell
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
All the people are released. No one's getting dissappeared or killed.
CaldariBob
...yet...
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
I mean a lot of people went missing and got raped during thr riots.
Caliban1972
So...this is just an intimidation tactic by the federal government. And you are OK with that.
sr22e
IDK. it was okay when Obama passed the National Defense Authorization Act, so why all the fuss when the other side actually uses it?
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
I'm not ok with rioters hurting the people I know.
EvilDeadTed
You're just Ok with assuming the people that are arrested are rioters, so you can turn your back on this.
Caliban1972
The people being rounded up and released aren't rioters and aren't hurting anyone. This is just a political stunt by Trump to make headlines
Caliban1972
You yourself said all people are released. If they were rioters who were hurting people, why are they being released? Make up your mind.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
A lot of criminals are just being released constantly since this began.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
Portland been having riots for a month straight. Of course business owners are happy the rioters are off the streets.
EvilDeadTed
That doesn’t excuse secret police kidnapping people off the street in a blatant violation of the constitution.
xoverthirtyx
Until one of them walks to the train and gets snatched.
polarpurple
As a Portland resident EXTREMELY opposed to the excessive force I have seen first hand from cops AND rioters... WTF are you talking about?
xoverthirtyx
As a father Portland resident I’m talking about the allegedly happy business owners downtown leaving work & looking suspicious to the Stasi.
polarpurple
Okay so an imagined dystopian future, got it.
xoverthirtyx
Oh, right, the people who’ve been snatched up walking down the street, who aren’t at protests or fed property, are just my imagination.
xoverthirtyx
*former resident
greggor
He’s talking about random people being grabbed off the streets, despite committing zero crimes. Like what happened to Pettibone & O’Shea
polarpurple
Didn't the OPB article state that O'Shea ran and was not detained?
xoverthirtyx
It said “... interviews conducted by OPB show officers are also detaining people on Portland streets who aren’t near federal property...”
xoverthirtyx
Pettibone was, but what’s yr point? That because they didn’t catch him they aren’t preying on people?
greggor
Yeah, but they tried to catch him
Esdog
Hey guys, why don't you use all your guns you needed to keep your government in line?
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
Because most sane people want them off the streets
th3maj0r
It's not called the Bill of Needs.
3nd3rwiggin
Is that really the full story though? I am not in Portland, so I do not know first hand what is going on. However I do know that there +
3nd3rwiggin
has been at least some looting and vandalism going on down there because someone I do know and trust was there last month and he saw it. +
polarpurple
Hi from Portland. It wss pretty calm back on the 7th... been a shit show lately. Feds showed up to play and rioters came back.
polarpurple
Ignoring the rioters was working much better here than in Seattle.
3nd3rwiggin
so is this a case of Portland not policing themselves and allowing lawlessness or is this Government overreach? This video alone is not +
3nd3rwiggin
enough to tell. I do agree it looks bad but I don't yet have the information to know if it really is bad.
callMeJohnTitor
The main issue ls how they arrested people. No rights no markings no badges. And some people get grabbed/released without any explanation.
polarpurple
In THIS VIDEO they have no identification other than "police" on their costumes, but we don't KNOW what happened before the video starts.
polarpurple
Dude walked with them willingly which I find extremely confusing. Why not passively resist? (Sit down) make them work for it at least.
3nd3rwiggin
Yeah, I would definitely have resisting arrest & assault tacked onto the charges if they tried to grab me. Thankfully I have a free lawyer.
callMeJohnTitor
Any militia could just start arresting people and nobody would know the difference. That is a security nightmare.
polarpurple
As a pro 2nd amendment PDX resident... yup. Cant throw rocks at anyone, not even "cops", but failure to identify is extremely not ok.