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Jul 11, 2017 7:13 PM
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https://youtu.be/QoX-RHjs0jA
sombrerohorsewagon
She has Active Bitch Face the entire time.
ThatHappensToMeSometimes
I wanted to wipe that smirk off her face 10 seconds after she was out of the car.
smkepiphone
Someone got a swift kick in the entitlement ass. Jesus Christ he showed far more restraint than I think I'm capable of...
TOMMOEX
I hope they're constantly named and shamed and also have a chance of a criminal record, lying about such a thing is huge
twofishtails
Say goodbye to college now. Also, jobs, etc....
Shovi
Let her be a lesson to others then. If she wants to be an adult like she said she is in the video then she has to be treated as one.
pyr0chaos
"if you put your hands on me, i can put my hands on you"
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SuperIncoherentRantingMan
That was my favorite comment. Just nope, nope, a 1000 times nope that's not how it works.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Corrodias
Is everybody looking at a different Imgur post? This one has just a still frame and no link to a video.
TheOneYouThoughtitWas
https://youtu.be/QoX-RHjs0jA The Link
Flyndaran
Fairness doesn't exist when only one is armed regardless of how right or wrong you are.
LarssHoneytoast
Flyndaran
What is hard to understand? You do what the armed person says, regardless of whether you're in the right or not.
DarthZartanyus
Treblaine
Perfect.
Eireman4Ever
Body cams should be absolutely mandated in the US. Both the police and the public would be safer. They would pay for themselves.
Eireman4Ever
Also, it sounds like the cop has a great libel suit.
MyPerception
I was hoping she would get pepper sprayed.
lincolnlawyer
I was hoping for tasers
esselt12
BRZZTTT BRRRZTTTR BRRZZRTRTTT
CaptainOfCrunch
The entitlement is strong with this one
FoxtrotFighter
That cop was being super nice. Still saying please after she's flailing and kicking? That's some good manners right there.
Mayokopp
I watched the whole thing.. what a fucking maniac. How the hell can anyone think this is appropriate behaviour?
theshadygiant
No excuse for that kind of behavior, officer was professional and courteous until she started in with the screaming and failure to comply.
theshadygiant
Not to mention she HAD A FUCKING BONG IN THE CAR.
Agi13
R.I.P headphone users
twofishtails
Lol!!!
Frothington
WHAT?
IWannaShowYouThis
Tried to watch it. Had to keep mouse constantly on the volume. Glad I was not using headphones.
CelebrityCharityDragonBoatRace
th3p0x
If they haven't made a Charles Manson movie lately, there's your lead. Jesus Christ.
EngorgedPhallus
With the car running. Like, goddamn. If she had just turned the car off...
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
Rookie
Recktless
"Help they won't let me gooooo!!!!!!" Correct me if im wrong but i have just the tiniest suspicion that you are being arrested. right?
JayPumpkinCat
I loved the part where they had to stop and explain that she was under arrest after having cuffed her and taken her to the back of the car.
TwistedAttitudes
"YOU'RE NOT ARRESTING ME IM NOT UNDER ARREST" "No, you ARE under arrest!"
ManAmIThirsty
Did she yell "stranger danger" at one point?? Haha! What a dumbass.
FierceKittyy
No I think she was yelling at a stranger to help her
firefighter26
Sounded like she was trying to draw as much attention as possible in the hopes that the situation would get out of hand.
cookseancook
If you've done something wrong or you have a problem with cops, please just keep your mouth shut when they approach you. For your own sake.
RamshackleAstronaut
STOP RESISTING
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
It is kind of a natural response, but you do have to realize it's not going to do you any good.
Hemoglobejoe
Please!
glitchead
Please..
UnremarkablyInteresting
Eeddwaarrd, no.
Mefi91
I wonder what these people think... Did resisting a police officer ever help someone?
Hemoglobejoe
That's what I really want to understand. I can't say I have odds stacked against me but, seriously just be compliant things go good
EarlGreyOrDeath
A few in his voice goes from authoritative to "really, you're still doing this?"
haveanothergif
STOP RESISTING
thenipplebandit
PLEASE
haveanothergif
GET THE THERMAL DRILL
skincancerisfun
*Puts on Tom Cruise glasses* https://media.giphy.com/media/67coae1tdwmGc/giphy.gif
Michaeljaxson
Love how she's like "I'm 18" like an adult but when she tries to swipe evadance and run her friends are like " she's an 18 year old girl"
PizzaSlutForever
I hate when people try that. Pick one and stick to it!
thefiresofheaven
oh im so glad someone else noticed that bullshit
Lynchmyliege
It takes a special kind of stupid to demand money from a cop for an illegal bong.
LordAtheG
Bongs are legal.
Germhole
Illegal for a minor, yes. Vermont has medical marijuana, though highly unlikely legal to do it in public, a car, and without a prescription.
Shovi
But she wasn't a minor though.
Germhole
Can be a grey area depending on local laws, states with legal recreational is for 21 and over, same as alcohol, under 21 is minor.
TheLastBeerBender
Other than privacy concerns I haven't heard any objections. Like if police film you in your house and don't arrest, that must stay private.
Dragon10449
Cost. Massive data storage (countless tera/petabytes even), plus maintenance of servers, filing/sorting, equipment upkeep, it will cost $$$$
ImKindaDone
Agreed... But she was arrested, then she made a public bullshit claim, which of course IMHO warranted the release.
ShamnusMcfee
A reasonable system is that the footage is simply recorded at all times, stored for a period of time, and only accessed if there is cause.
GodEmperorOfImgur
No one is saying that the bodycam recordings have to be public records.
Psymecoleesis
"HE TOUCHED MY BOOBS!" "I did not touch your bo--ugh."
IWannaShowYouThis
Yeah, he had your arm, you twisted around 20 times, what hasn't touched your boobs at this point?
RaisinZetaJones
The gentle hands of a lover who cares for her for her warmth and charming personality.
osnabb
Who?
IWannaShowYouThis
The puppers in the back of the cruiser.
zenton
Sounds like a guy he is just done with her shit
SteakForPresident
It should have taken alot less time to get her cuffed and in the cruiser. She had done enough to be arrested, no point in pleading with her
Muffdiver9
If they'd have wanted to they'd have had her down and cuffed in seconds, but they were trying not to rough her up.
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
That cop was very caring from the start. He probably didn't want to fuck up her life because of this, but she basically forced his hand.
ShamnusMcfee
Seems like the officers didn't feel particularly threatened and weren't in a rush. It took too long because she was resisting they were
imAUser
Knowing the bodycam is on contributed too likely.
ShamnusMcfee
being cautious about applying too much force.
keeperofmeme
DoctorSvenHoek
should be top comment
IllyaKuryakin
Damn, youts!
HapilyDamaged
did you say youts?
IllyaKuryakin
Excuse me, your honor... YOUTHHHHS
whatsbuttsandcoconuts
hahahahahaha
BigIrishGuy
The police are public servants & the body cam is helping to make sure they are that. Giving liars a strong "fuck you" is just a nice bonus.
SuicideByAccountant
man, we should have booth cams on DMV
BigIrishGuy
I bet no one would believe it wasn't faked!
middleagedman
Except when the cops turn them off
RupertR
They get on trouble for turning them off. Almost equivalent to destroying evidence
NotHardly
Should be "exactly equivalent with the equivalent punishment". That would slow that shit down, just right now.
RupertR
I agree
NotHardly
If it is just on... off would be on purpose, therefore, it would seem appropriate to have all such always on & sent to "cloud" so that, 1/2
Velocinipple
Which is why cops doing the right thing always use them. There is no reason to turn it off unless you're doing something wrong
panamjck
Those cops are liars. They kept promising to pepper spray her and never did. Very disappointing, I watched the whole thing!
RecordingCoder
MRW they promised to spray her.
TurtleyEnoughForTheTurtleClub
I was really hoping she got pepper sprayed, she was so annoying.
PapiBlanco
More realistically she should have been tased in that situation
esselt12
That had would be funny
KnowerOfNothing
Yeah, that made the difference between a 4 and a 5/7.
EdgarAllanPoePoe
Cop here, I hate pepper spray and am hesitant to use it. Doesn't matter where you spray it, you always catch some.
panamjck
Do you catch the taser too, if you are touching them?
EdgarAllanPoePoe
Not really. Only way is if you are going hands on and get your hand wrapped in the cables while it's going. Just a small shock.
NeverCast
Username checks out. Here comes the Police! Thanks for your service, officer.
EdgarAllanPoePoe
It's my pleasure.
AppropriateQuotes
Of all the reasons I could not be a police officer, knowing I could not show this level of restraint is probably the number one reason.
TheStonewall
Agreed, but I feel like if no one was in any real danger I would just be fighting to not laugh.
chiefs86
I would have probably tazed her, no joke.
twofishtails
Legit response.
Dargan
What stood out to me was the amount of times he said "please" in the video. After the third time from me it would be "get in the fuckin car"
CommanderCaribou
Worst thing about anything to do with this kind of stuff is it makes it harder to believe women about sexual assault and harrasment.
CommanderCaribou
Which may sound dumb but you need a body cam to prove your innocence is pretty effed
DoctorSvenHoek
you dont need a body cam you need a criminal court system that places proof above all else. the ironic hypocrisy is THE worst thing, cupcake
Shovi
Wow, way to be a condesceding ****.
DoctorSvenHoek
a condescending group of four asterisks? http://imgur.com/R6H4rBa
Shovi
cunt
DoctorSvenHoek
thats... FAR from the worst thing about this. if you arent a skeptic about most all things, i feel sorry for you.
CommanderCaribou
Because living in a paranoid delusion that all things are out to get me and hurt me, is really how I want to live my life
ihatewarmpickles
You're one of those ppl that seen the video and will still say "well, we don't know what happened exactly" right?
DoctorSvenHoek
nope. but you are definitely one of those people who doesnt think critically about a situation and snap judges every decision, i reckon.
OverrunWithBeasts
Part of her punishment should be watching that video over and over.
Ozarck
turn it into a learning experience. Kinda.
BourneID
Or the view count - always increasing....
geiokami
With an instructor pointing out every moment she was "a complete and total bitch"
geiokami
"Oh my favorite part when he threatens to pepper spray you!"
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
Haha, punishment fits the crime
SteveMcQueenIsMySpiritAnimal
Or even just listening to it.
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
"Do you understand why you were dumb here?" "No, I was right!" *smack to the back of the head, start video over
wreckdumb
glitchead
XD I imagined literally step by step going thru and any time she gets ONE answer wrong, she has to rewind back to the beginning.
TinaTinaBoBina
Everything else aside - it takes a special person to be a good cop. I wanted to punch that little bitch in the face 3 minutes in.
myothernameisgood
Agreed. Takes a special person to be a good cop. That's why there's so many bad ones.
Thechoochooman
Minutes? You've got some great patience.
geiokami
3? Damn that was long
MelodyMooCow
I actually know this officer, he's a really good guy and a great cop.
poTAYtoesBOILemMASHemSTICKeminaSTEW
Hahahah. I thought the exact same thing
Ealadon
And this was something like 18-minutes of the 60-minute encounter they had with her. Doing cartwheels and throwing a tantrum throughout.
PuhTater
It took you 3 min?
SheTurnedMeIntoANewtButIGotBetter
To be honest she only shows up after 2:50... and that answer for the phone number was enough for me.
PuhTater
You know that god of The Rock doing his eye-roll thing? That was me during the phone number.
PuhTater
*gif
TinaTinaBoBina
I'm a pacifist :)
LetsKickShell
I'm more the pass-a-fist type. :)
RepostSadistic
Ok, if you are a pacifist, 3 minutes is OK. Gandhi wouldn't have lasted more than 5.
Darkspire
He would have nuked her a few turns in for sure.
ManAmIThirsty
That response... :D
HelloMrFancypants
Me too. I wanted to "pass a fist" right through her teeth.
ihatelivinginthedesert
That cop had the patients of a saint. I'm surprised we didn't hear "TASER TASER TASER". Followed by female wookie noises.
thekiller0673
I was surprised nothing like that happened when she came running at him. At that point I would have taken her to the ground.
Mefi91
Hahaha wookie noises :D I can literally hear it in my head x)
vDex
Female Wookie Noises is now my phrase of the day.
UrsaUrsa
Phrase of the week for me :D
ihatelivinginthedesert
Now imagine wookie sex with all the noises, panting and matted hair.....
baconalien
They are 18 & were asleep in a running car with alcohol and cannabis.. If that was me I would be stoked they were just calling my dad.
clone1701d
They did not have alcohol or cannabis or they would have been arrested prior to the melt down. She was arrested for assault, not possession
baconalien
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/424450001/ She demanded $80 for the bong they confiscated in the video.
clone1701d
She was joking... and a bong is not cannabis, bongs are legal.
baconalien
"The officers said they would not take enforcement action for the the marijuana they confiscated from the car along with a bong and alcohol"
clone1701d
Where is that from? If legitimate it answers my question.
garthhh
Yeah seriously the first cop seemed pretty chill until that girl turned it up to 11
youtah
VOLUME 11!!!
DarkWhiteWolf
Over an 80 dollar bong. Bitch, learn to use a 2 liter bottle out of the house if you're gonna do stupid shit like this.
jeandolly
At least they were not driving... I guess that's a plus.
tylerlawhon
Depending on where you are, if you're in the front seat and have the keys in the car, it's still considered DUI.
idontknowwhatjokesare
seriously, why would anyone EVER be against body cams worn by police? The only people they could hurt are fucking liars.
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Ravenwing14
without they might have given the kid a chat and slap on the wrist. Doesn't mean it's not worth it, just that it's not without costs.
feastmode
It's mostly a lot of police who are opposed to it.
Hakuhnamatata
I haven't met an officer who is against it but cost is the issue talk to your city council to get more money approved so the pd can buy them
haveanothergif
There are people against body cams?
TraitorousTrump3
Some cops.
VodkaReindeer
Some might think disadvantageous footage might be misplaced.
rqepioureuipwoqrewiuop
Because people still break them down frame by frame sometimes to try and find fault for something that happened in a fifth of a second.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
Do you want a camera on you when you try to make a joke about something because your job can be really shitty?
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
I'm in favor of them, but I think they need to respect the police officers as well. Look at the shit they gotta deal with
jeorad
Done a lot of research on that specific subject & there are actually too many for comments. I could make a post if anyone is interested tho.
aromaticfable
Go for it mate.
FreekoftheHood
And liars and criminals are the ones against it. Lol
Lucky246
I read a post on here a while back, a cop was against bodycams because anyone can access the footage of they ask for it, and he wanted 1/?
Lucky246
Laws in place first, because if he were to chase a suspect through someones house then anyone can have footage of that persons home 1/2
Lucky246
Now i dont really know anything about bodycams but thats what an imgur cop said on here a couple years ago.
jakexter
The one problem is under the freedom of information act you could potentially request video that is probably best left private.
StrikerEureka2016
Marijuana users and advocates are the main people against body cams. If you get caught in a state where its illegal, and the cop has a 1/?
StrikerEureka2016
Body cam, then the cop HAS to take you in. If the cop does not, then he can just throw it away and give you a warning, which makes life 2/3
StrikerEureka2016
Easier for those users
kapelophilus
Those who want the police to have a warrant before they record the inside of their house from the front door.
InvidiousSquid
I'd be against body cams that are free*. (* With a multi-year, completely overpriced cloud storage contract.)
h0tdoglatte
But then the cops have to obey the law too, which they don't always like to do.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
The bodycams help keep everyone honest, including the authorities.
chawx
Cops aren't AGAINST them—they're just FOR turning them off or having them "malfunction" when they "accidentally" kill an unarmed ...person.
Dynoms
No they aren't.
chawx
yes they are.
Dynoms
I feel like 2 days is too slow for a comeback....but sure, feel free to back your claim up :)
chawx
Sorry bro. Gotta work and stuff -- http://lmgtfy.com/?q=police+body+cams+malfunction+turned+off <3
newfoundking
I'm for body cameras, let me preface with that. But I can see how they get tangly legally, like in cases with minors, or DV cases
ARbdFkgBdgr
Which, most often are the cops themselves, totes for body cams in any situation
Maraak
Sadly, and not without reason, cops are worried that people will misread or have an over reliance on bodycam alone, which can screw'em bad.
Maraak
I still think (as do many police) that bodycams are preferable, even when morons would like to screw cops over by misreading shit as always.
minipancho94
dont forget the money grubbing city councils in some areas.
lawideas
Because when it's seriously suggested, people call it "big brother" and claim it's a surveillance state.
Cymland
The only argument I've seen against body cameras is that the officers might be hesitant doing what needs to be done due to possible lawsuits
trinori
Are people against police body cams? First I've heard of this...
Scrampy123
Circle
SoThenThisAssholeSaid
There's an absolutely titanic amount of costs associated with them, and many departments are already hard up for funding.
SoThenThisAssholeSaid
Dats storage and management is expensive and hiring additional staff to manage redactions and release requests.
fedeki
bodycam-wearing police will have to behave in an extremely strict way. no more "go home son, i'm letting you pass this one time".
Tunisia
A legitimate opposition I've seen is their use during (legal) protests: could be used by the government to target (legal) opposition.
RaisinZetaJones
This is already illegal. There is no reason to presuppose a bodycam will be used as a tool for crime, and there is no reason to presuppose a
RaisinZetaJones
bodycam is any different from smuggling a digital camera or cellphone and using that to record protesters.
halfemptybachs
What if an officer came into your home, say on a "alleged" charge, and the video can be requested by anyone thorough a FOIA request 1/2
halfemptybachs
and there were things you didn't want seen. for instance your spouse is off their meds, and is having episodes. u ok with that? 2/2
ffilm
Yeah, they might see a litter box with three turds in it.
KinetoPlay
The FOIA is not a magic spell that gets you whatever you want. You have to request specific things for a valid reason.
hawkesnightmare
They cost money. Money that the state or city may not have. Really the only downside though.
GhostbusterGuy
Incorrect. It's not as simple as that.
FckyourselfSarah
Yeah, that's why cops are against them. There's a lot of "policing" that's done by bullying and lying.
WhyIsThisStillEvenAQuestion
There is literally, literally no downside to body cams. They should absolutely be mandatory. To the extent that depts shd be funded for them
cantstopfire
would we listen to them do their business?
SpaceSphere
Only major concern are dickheads who use the freedom of information act to request every second of footage. It costs money and privacy :(
supersomatic
Ok. Why is everyone so pro privacy then? The only people it can benefit are fucking liars. (cue cognitive dissonance induced downvotes)
Pseudoruse
If there's a situation where they would normally let someone go for say, having a single joint, using discretion say "hit the road kid" 1/2
Pseudoruse
But now you are instead compelled to act and arrest because its on camera, now the guy has a criminal record for one joint. As a police 2/3
Pseudoruse
Officer I am totally for body cams, it's just not as black and white as some people think this job is.
FourPieAreSquared
If certain crimes aren't serious, shouldn't we just make them legal and save everybody time? Not just drugs; anything victimless/harmless?
thisisjustmethisisme
There has to be made sure the footage is archived and always available. If her claims where true this footage would probably gone "lost".
TaviRus
Cost to the tax payer is the largest issue with body cameras I suspect.
rrlyrae
the police don't like them, b/c they have to follow the law if they're on.
APinkDragon
Because then the cops have to be hardasses or get in trouble. The only viable fix would be to not view records unless needed.
KentStandit
At least they would be hardasses equally instead of letting their favorite color/gender slip though
APinkDragon
I don't think you've met a cop before and not been condescending. Remember, first impressions matter.
SuwinTzi
Money, for the smaller precincts.
someprickinvietnam
Because then there's a video of everyone on both sides of the law that only one entity controls. Which video you think will be on Imgur?
PandaOfChaos
Tbh i have seen both sides on imgur already. There are enough videos by americans filming police officers while someone is beeing arrested
someprickinvietnam
Sure but the reach a press released police sanctioned video is larger than jo fuckface on facebook with 30 friends.
pastramionrye
The biggest issue is the data storage. Most police can't afford it. Inb4 military grade weapons the military gifted those to police.
RoguePacifist
Tbh I think the only reason, (which doesn't out weight the other side) is that it would hurt if they were too nice in letting someone go
refjazzy
A body cam cant read a room judge a persons demenaor it cant see everything in the officers view Its not as black and white as we would like
IsACouchASeat
And everything you do and say in a time of stress is going to be reviewed by a dozen people who aren't in stress and can't see everything
tommyfever
Because potentially *EVERY* action you perform is recorded, including spilling coffee all over yourself, checking someone out, farting...
IceCreamButtholes
You're on the damn job, you SHOULD be monitored. If you're at work in a store or office, you have cameras on you the whole time.
Armored0Titan0
People who work at stores and offices aren't taking cameras into people's houses and then having the footage be publicly available.
IceCreamButtholes
Since when is anyone asking police cam footage be "publicly available"?
Armored0Titan0
They already are under the Freedom of Information Act.
Fooby
No one cares about crap like that. In comparison to the benefits it's nonsense to talk about that mattering.
tommyfever
I don't think you understand what we're talking about.
stefalicious
I absolutely do not understand what you're talking about. @fooby is exactly right, the benefits far out weigh the concerns you mentioned.
SpeakerForTheUnLiving
If I went over the footage at my job.... Well there'd be a lot of that stuff.
tommyfever
Yep, but very few have access to it.
SpeakerForTheUnLiving
Well, in the case of my work we have security personnel who get 24/7 access but, yes you are correct.
AlchemicalLove
While I can see that as embarrasing it should be part of the job. Hell even retail wotkers have cameras on the most of the time.
tommyfever
I agree, I was just pointing out that most people don't think of the little things.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
lawd have mercy, please stop listing the most mildly mortifying actions.
tommyfever
I listed the little things on purpose.
StormbreakerBRB
The issue is the cost of storing and managing the data.
DataBender
Cops sometimes don't arrest people for petty things, which can sometimes be a good thing. Body cams might make officers more punative?
xyrax
Ill take a ticket for all minor 'offenses' from any cop in exchange for knowing every interaction is filmed. DONE and DONE. Next excuse?
stefalicious
*plays the race card* okay but as a black male, the fact that sometimes cute white girls get leniency isn't really that important for me.
DennisDoesStuff
Yeah but it also means more young black men getting arrested for petty violations. Without discretion arrests would skyrocket.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
At least they'd be getting arrested for petty violations rather than shot for petty violations.
SendMeYourBobsAndVagenes
Well the BLM campers sure think it's a bad idea. Idk why the hell they would think that. It would be "saving the lives" the cops apparently
SendMeYourBobsAndVagenes
Take away
ohdued
They protect everyone involved.
MeezerStandardTime
Except the brown people who get killed anyway.... what the fuck, is the jury seeing the same footage that everyone else is?
2pillows
I used to have faith that body cams would help those abused by police get justice, but after seeing cases like philando castille and Eric
2pillows
Garner I don't. For the cams to help juries need to be willing to convict.
StopStaringAtMyUserNameItsVeryShy
Except the person doing the crime
VladTheInhaler1
Technically if the officer does something illegal to them, they're protected too.
khazaria
Actually there are a lot of issues where police "forget" to turn them on and withhold evidence. Obv not most cops, but some. 1/2
khazaria
There is a push to put the material in the hands of an independent agency. Everyone wins. And yes, I am pro-cam.
GrapesOfBath
You want a cam on you when you piss? When they're on and off is a big problem.
TheNerdFonz
Bean counters would be against it.
ImgurMadeMeChangeMyNameCauseItsDumb
big issue right now is the police are the only ones who have access to the footage. so they get to pick and choose what to release.
rumandbass
but no step on snek!
joe50
They are a pain to have to download the info and store it, and to easily get it to the prosecutor. Also battery on new charge is about 2 hrs
grid10ck
Those are the people against them lol
fantasticjack
Read the circle
DNADigital
The argument against it is it cost a lot of money but yes i love body cams and i think they are almost necessary in todays society. But $$$
GorramBatman
They would have to cut down on equipment, pay, and training. It's not just about the cameras, either, they would require an immense 1/2
GorramBatman
Budget. The sentiment is great, there are just challenges they'd have to overcome to put it in place.
GorramBatman
Amount of storage and processing power. I support the idea, but they have to develop stronger computers and cheaper cameras or a better 2/3
AdmJota
Tell that to Charles Boyle!
DothWhatSheHathSaid
DC police responding to Seth Rich' shooting.
konabrown
Only the police are against body cams
middleagedman
And bad cops.
anotherdickat
Not all police are as honest as we might hope. Sometimes even the best of them have a shitty day and do something wrong. -->>
anotherdickat
not having that on camera forever is what they are used to. Change takes time
whatsbuttsandcoconuts
Bingo
hoewailen
If I remember correctly, one of the imgur police officers talked extensively about that in one of their posts,
hoewailen
About how officers with body cams wouldn't be able to be let people off with warnings anymore, or just do kind or out of the ordinary things
hoewailen
Because of the constant monitoring of body cameras, case in point, driving with friends and the driver was speeding, got caught
hoewailen
And while an innocent and nice person driving her father's car, turned out the plates were not liscensed, the windows were tinted
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hurrdurr69
Imagine wherever you work there being a camera following you wherever you went. I doubt you'd like it much
Genini
You mean like almost any retail job? Cameras are everywhere now adays.
hurrdurr69
Only in the front. Places ive worked they're not allowed to point cameras at the workers for the sake of pointing at workers
Genini
They're usually anywhere theft might occur which is usually where employees are. Behind the register, in the office, in loading bays.
hurrdurr69
Keep in mind this is usually in retail jobs as well, not something that actually matters
KinetoPlay
They had cameras everywhere but the bathrooms at my last job they weren't secret. You knew if you were there you were on camera, it was fine
njc1230
Usually the main problem comes down the more technical aspects. Who's going to pay for the cameras themselves, how long does footage 1/?
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need to be held for? Who will store that footage and how much will THAT cost? These are questions that have to be answered before 2/?
njc1230
police departments will cooperate with using body cameras. If you force their usage with unworkable or impractical rules, departments 3/?
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won't implement them properly or resist their implementation altogether 4/4
dobbythehouseelf
Exactly. It protects both civilians and police officers. And then when the footage disappears mysteriously, everyone can call bullshit.
Anon218
(2/2) or their body cam will show that they are guilty. if it is missing that is a huge sign they intentionally disabled the camera
Florky
When I heard the prices of body cam company's I was astounded. I would bet the price is a major issues and why many anyone could be 1/2
pastramionrye
This should be top comment on the question of why people are against it. Cost prohibitive plain and simple.
Florky
2/2 against it how ever I could see an argument for better training and equipment over body cams with it's priceing.
Anon218
Yeah, if the person claims some bullshit like in this, they are proven a liar. if a cop kills an innocent either their footage will be(1/2)
geruhn
The problem with body cams is that the actions can easily be misinterpreted, to know that helps analyzing. NYT test: http://nyti.ms/2tbQU5M
polkadotmonkey
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AlthIco
Thanks for posting, that was a very interesting article.
JustABonelessAlien
I'm all for them as long as the officer has control of the recording. Domestic victims usually don't like being recorded after being attack.
JustABonelessAlien
Plus I don't think they would like being recorded in the bathroom
Dubyatoo
It's not the cams themselves, it's the process. The camera footage is held by the police most of the time and the threat is that the police
Dubyatoo
Could doctor the footage. I'm all for bodycams, but if want their footage to be held at an independent 3rd party
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RaisinZetaJones
Footage is easy to doctor, this is true. Footage is nearly impossible to doctor in a way that doesn't leave a fingerprint that it's been
RaisinZetaJones
doctored, however. There are, first of all, time stamps and logs. The sheer magnitude of altering all of those, while possible, is exhaustin
RaisinZetaJones
There is also overlap -- two different footages from two different officers at two different angles not matching is ridiculously suspect.
Dynoms
The police could doctor the footage?? How paranoid are you!?
Dubyatoo
Its a valid legal argument regarding evidence. So is saying it's a potential privacy violation in some circumstances.
Dynoms
How is it a valid legal argument? How much expertise do you think the average cop has in relation to high level video manipulation??
DoctorGaiusBaltar
Cost
Sumpte
All it takes is a few instances - like this - where the police can avoid a lawsuit for them to pay for themselves.
lysani
If only it was that easy. A lot of departments are fairly underfunded as it is, and those bodycams are far from cheap.
pastramionrye
This for days.
wellthatsjustyouropinion
they serve truth and justice. their present limitation is cost for many counties, but all sides of the issue love them!
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You would have supported communism in Russia.
wellthatsjustyouropinion
if you're accused of a crime & allege the cop did something improper, they can help get the cops. if someone commits a crime, it helps cops
wellthatsjustyouropinion
like, it cuts both ways and favors everyone. or rather everyone (cop or civilian) who wasn't acting maliciously
jadespider
Wearing the cams? all for it. making the footage publicly available? no, for multiple reasons.
pastramionrye
This
VultureTX
Family of an arrestee will often talk(snitch) to LE, but not on camera
pastramionrye
This as well
Anon218
aside from when it can help clear a persons name in public image like in this. he would be called a rapist for the rest of his life
VodkaReindeer
I think you underestimate the power of cop unions.
Longgone4now
When and how it can be viewed by anyone including the arresting officer is super dicey and needs careful rules.
MandorSawall
So you think that civilians talking lying crap about police should not be countered to keep public aware of what it is about?
jadespider
You release what's needed, as it's needed. But don't make the footage generally available. Even to public freedom of information requests.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Should need to have a court order. Like a warrant or subpoena.
DorkJedi
I'd say OK, but it should also flag the INSTANT a gun or tazer clears the holster, and that data is available to the family of the victim.
VodkaReindeer
That sounds expensive. Would it really be worth the money.
DorkJedi
Yes. There is no point in recording the police if they get to decide whether or not incriminating video can be released. Too one-sided.
javamancer
I agree with this, especially for domestic abuse victims that might be caught on the camera when the abuser is getting busted.
Spinnyd
They can blur them out just like they did with everyone else in this video
B3N15
I think it should be available, but you need to have a valid reason and/or permission from a judge to get it.
undead4life
...soooo, not publicly available.
MaskMan191
therefore not publically available.
undead4life
It's almost like words have meanings!
1stLtObvious
Assuming the police never "lose" any video evidence that would implicate them...
1stLtObvious
Not saying it's what happened in the OP, but it's pretty bad when there's a case against a cop, and footage the PD's in charge of is "lost".
RaisinZetaJones
It looks highly suspect. Let's say somebody brings a brutality suit against a cop, and the cop claims the camera failed at that exact moment
RaisinZetaJones
Since the claimant had no way of knowing the camera wasn't functioning, it *strongly* suggests that the claimant is telling the truth (they
RaisinZetaJones
had no way of knowing the camera wasn't on) and that the officer or department is spoliating evidence.
1stLtObvious
Yeah, and they get away with it. The "punishment" is 3 weeks paid suspension a.k.a. vacation.
tinycutepolypan
The best argument against would be something along the lines of privacy/nanny state. I agree with you.
idontknowwhatjokesare
I guess, though it still seems pretty fair to ask that you give up a bit of privacy in exchange for the legal authority to use deadly force.
MadDrDrillBit
1.Cause nothing evet leaks in guvmnt right? Like those full body scanner images that have leaked. Still a good thing to use but
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2. Might have a hard time getting people tobtalk to police if being taped, might get stitches for being snitches
notme222
Yeah, basically the concern is not the police seeing it but it getting out to the public.
grammarfairy
In this particular case though, it's giving less power to the state.
TheOneTrueJoebot
If the police's body is within cam range of you It's a bit late for privacy
AdmJota
There's a difference between having a person come into your home and having a video recording of the inside of your home go on public record
TheOneTrueJoebot
I can see that. Media needs to understand it's not ok to post shit until after a guilty verdict
AdmJota
I'm not even thinking about potentially guilty people. What about the victims' privacy?
TheDuke0fHazzard
But that ain't gonna happen
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mike4dictator
Sometimes being honest can be a pain though, for example, having to issue a ticket instead of a warning. Small price though.
CaptainTiddlemittens
except when anti-cop twats decide to release a small part of it to make it look like police brutality
SecretAgentSuperBooger
"Anti-cop twats" can't release body cam footage, only the police can. All "anti-cop twats" can do is edit & repost it -> easily disproven.
Oxythief
...but then the cops can just fire back with the whole viedo.
thefloor
I agree with the idea of body cams but unfortunately we know how the media is...
Oxythief
Quick indisputable proof that the news is twisting something would hurt their credibility to much.
SaltEverywhere
Answers I've seen from cops is that they have to be strict with cams on, for example if someone does something harmless but illegal they
MidgetJS
This is the most fair argument against them ive seen so far. Don't want cops to be hard asses 25/7. Would cause more harm than good
2pillows
But there's no enforcement. The department isn't going to look at hours upon hours of footage if there's no reason to.
wadeissupercool
I would rather have more tickets and less shooting.
Zetsub
Don't they have personal discretion in the US? They have it here in Australia.
ItAintGayIfItsAFemininePenis
Yep, but not when you've got a body cam. Pretty sure this is why I got my speeding ticet, doing 74 in a 65. That's in freedom units btw
Zetsub
Well you get +10% here, and you were well over that. That's 15km/hr over, that's not even minor speeding. It's significant.
aeonblue08
Also it forces many smaller departments into choosing between the IT overhead or other resources like more cops, squad cars, etc.
SaltEverywhere
Have to give them a ticket or whatever so it forces them to do it when they'd normally be OK with it
professionalwindowlicker
That makes absolutely no sense because most agencies already have cameras on their cars with audio. It records everything.
xyrax
Ahahaha, yeah sure. Its because it stops them from being 'nice'. Im sure we all are buying that one... Nah, give the ticket bruh.
rrlyrae
spoiler: those cops are lying.
SpeakerForTheUnLiving
In cases like this you've gotta weigh the pros and cons. A buncha stupid tickets or a brutality case with "no" evidence etc etc
SpeakerForTheUnLiving
To clarify, I'm for body cams.
KismetCrew
I understand that's what they say, but it's wrong. For one thing, they're not going to go through the footage unless they have to.
Exctmonk
Lawyers can scour the video, and will. I'm still pro-cameras, though. Maybe just also give officers more leniency.
Tarmaccian
Or unless somebody else in the department doesn't like them, or if a subpoena requires it, or.......
KismetCrew
A subpoena would qualify as one of those "have to" situations. The other *should* be handled through a formal review process. Set standards.
TheDuke0fHazzard
If one person complains they are treated unfairly, all videos are scrutinized. No more getting let off with a warning. Just more tickets.
ChancesAreIamMasturbating
one of the arguments for body cams was just this.
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maryjane4u
Almost makes you wish he broke her stupid arm -_- he was so nice about it too.
BangBangLuckyLuke
"You know, the courts might not work any more, but as long as everybody is videotaping everyone else, justice will be done"- Marge Simpson
Manci83
Is there anyone really against body cams?
GQPisadeathcult
Most cops are. Hence why they have it but don't want to share unless it benefits them.
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SomeDetroitGuy
Lots of police unions are. City governments who can't afford the cost. Individuals afraid the police will selectively edit footage.
Cyzyk
1/2 I am. Living in a panopticon for 60+ hours a week will have psychological repercussions for police, and that needs to be studied.
Cyzyk
2/2 Ultimately, I suspect much can be done to mitigate the negative effects, but I think that needs to be taken seriously.
LevainAvatar
What's even the argument?
ChancesAreIamMasturbating
argument saying its a good idea
aGrumpyPotato
I think he meant why is there even the necessity for an argument in the first place.
dragonfliet
Many cops don't want to be constantly monitored, and are afraid of things being taken out of context. Also, some are awful & abusive.
themercwithamouthdeadpool
The money it costs. Those body cams aren't cheap
hulkhagan
Ah yes but the police ranks and military gear are absolutely essential. Gotcha.
LevainAvatar
I'm sure they can find affordable ways about it. It doesn't have to be active 24/7 with hd video
anonnona887
What's funny is they have enough money for it but spends it on on other useless crap. Hell you can buy decent ones from the source (china)
anonnona887
For under $10 a pop
GreenMedics
prob still less than court.
FullCrimsonic
Well the military is spending a trillion dollars on a new fighter jet that doesn't even fucking fly so I have a plan with that.
eion85
The savings in settlements alone could likely cover it.
FlyingDorito
plus storing the recorded footages. Those take mountain loads of storage mediums
IndianTechSupport41
It depends on the quality of the video, if it's 480p then about a week of footage might be able to fit on a 20TB hard drive, with sound
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LevainAvatar
Couldn't the data be prioritized and maybe only on when important?
Katalliaan
Depends on the type of camera. From what I remember, there's some that only record when a button is pressed, and save the last half-hour.
geiokami
Data storage isn't that expensive especially since these don't take that high quality footage.
FlyingDorito
What the hell are you talking about, no HD? What year is this? Also, it takes about 100 mb for 1 min length video on my crappy phone.
eion85
Hard Drives & Data Tapes are cheap.
RoryBlack1
Data can be compressed and stored on servers. The cloud has a lot more data then a floppy disc. How do you think YouTube exists
eion85
As long as it's encrypted. Last thing we need is raw police video leaking on the net.
themercwithamouthdeadpool
Oh my god I can't imagine all the gigs of data that would take for a big department
Shiracco
I would imagine they just delete any footage that isn't documenting an incident, so it cant be that much storage.
FlyingDorito
Yeah, and also they are not going to get sorted or labelled themselves.
Dragon10449
For even a medium department it would be countless terabytes of data to store. Can't just wipe after a day, have to save days/weeks in case