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Jan 16, 2026 4:54 PM
MyVirginityIsGrowingBack
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stonebrood
it's asking a fucking lot. what is this guy on
OhSheeeeeet
They will say it's fake and take you anyways.
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
I have a non-white friend who lives not far from where Good was shot and he's been carrying his papers with him every time he goes outside: passport, driver's license, anything he thinks will help. He's terrified. Fuck everyone who let this happen to him.
KawaiiInari
Letting people live their lives isn't asking for much, either. Yet here we fucking are.
arf63a
Even that wouldn't be enough. They've already told immigrants their proof of legal residence was forged. You'll never satisfy these fucking nazis.
ugopb4me
We should all start carrying scissors to protests, cause scissors beats paper.
Shoutrr
ah yes, the "if you don't have anything to hide then you don't need to fear anything from the cops" crowd is at it again
Daliena06
AnOceanOfStars
But being shot in the streets by the president's own militia for no reason, magically isn't tyranny.
freakdiablo
Except there are still cases where someone would show a valid ID but still get dragged off. Like I have a RealID - do I need to carry my passport and social security card too?
AlackofPotassiumcankill
Come back with a warrant. If the warrants aren't lawful, your presence is cosplay and illegal snatching people without a *Judicial* warrant. All those 2nd Amendment folks are kinda hard up on that constitutional protections.
thickythickydumdum
If you're outside your house they don't need a warrant, thanks to something Congress passed for them in 2001
lifeisadadjoke
They still grab you, and send you to a camp, where you are strangled to death.
SavageDrums
More likely turned into slave labour and worked to death
DocNitro
Grab you, shove you in a van, then you shoot yourself 5 times in the back of your own head while trying to flee.
FrenziiTheIMP
If I'm lucky, it'll be quick and relatively painless. But, knowing I'm trans, it will be a far longer, and infinitely more painful time..
lifeisadadjoke
My niece is trans, luckily, she also lives in Canada, where the road is challenging, not impossible.
ParaSiddha
How many citizens even have proof?
All documents can be forged, so none of it counts.
FinancialRavioli
mr_messinger there looking a little dark around the gills. Think he's carrying papers like a good little lickspittle? Will they do him any good when the jackboots come a stomping?
AgamemnonsMemes
Just let ice through, its fine. Just show your papers, its fine. Just inform on your community, its fine, Just get in the boxcar, its fine.
DukeDarkwood
How much does anyone want to bet this guy doesn't carry such papers with him, trusting in his skin to keep anyone from asking?
Peden1
Carrying papers at all is bullshit.
andwings2go
Then republicans need to stop calling this a “free country” and bragging about our “freedoms” if they no longer believe in this bedrock principle anymore.
sfrinlan
The secret loophole is that if you don't consider people who disagree with you to be people at all, then you don't have a problem with "people" being "free".
didyouseewhatgodjustdidtousman
If they had any bedrock principles, hypocrisy would be one of them.
WellAckchually
So this guy carries his passport or birth certificate around with him? Because no other ID proves citizenship
samanthadlcruz
what "papers" are those?
billdozer86
Those don't exist at a standardized national level for citizens. ss cards don't have photos. That's the only federal doc everyone has. Not everyone had a passport. Not everyone has a DL. We don't have national ID cards.
Munchman347
The only thing the Icestapo cares about is collecting the bounties. People have produced Passports only to be told 'that's fake'...
sadurdaynight
Burden of proof falls on the accuser, not the accused. If you want to run around accusing people of being illegals, it's up to you to provide the proof. It's not up to them to pull out papers on demand to do so. We are a country where you are innocent until proven guilty, and the burden of proof lies with the accuser.
chipjack
Under section 264(e) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), non-citizens over the age of 18 are legally required to carry proof of immigration status at all times. This includes permanent residents, visa holders, asylum recipients, and others with legal presence. Citizens are not required to carry proof of their citizenship but may be detained until their legal status is determined. This is a sensible, but incredibly easy-to-weaponize system and, no surprise, it's being weaponized.
jfreemanr
This is poorly written. Section E makes no mention of the disposition of citizens at all. It speaks solely to the requirements of non-citizens. As written above, it imples the ability to detain, but no such language exisits in section 264. What statute contains the language you describe regarding citizens?
chipjack
8 U.S. Code § 1357 - Powers of immigration officers and employees (a) Powers without warrant ( https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 ). The really nasty part of this thing is how they use the term "alien" to describe people who are suspected of being in the country illegally, which includes citizens who aren't required to carry proof of citizenship. The recent Supreme Court decision in Perdomo v. Noem, effectively allows that to mean "brown person with an accent, or wearing work-boots".
jfreemanr
Thank you for the clarification. It boggles the mind that the burden of proof can be so easily flipped on its head. Aside from the potential harm that could occur as the result of detaining people on such subjective evidence, if the government is unable (or more concerning) unwilling to settle a person's status, it becomes the responsibility of the detainee to prove their legitimate status. Guilty until proven innocent... sad.
chipjack
To be fair, I did have to look it up. I'm just some guy. But the really messed up part of all of this immigration bullshit is that, as you said, the detainee has to prove that they're legitimate--but without due process there's nobody to prove it to, no opportunity. They're detained and therefore guilty. And we're not deporting all these people. That'd be sending them home. We're imprisoning them in a prison the US pays for in El Salvador. Essentially, they're enslaved.
CedricDur
It makes a lot more sense to have seen the push for no masks considering how they are butchering the already horrendous healthcare system. They want less people alive. Not sure exactly of the math involved but that's how it goes.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Ask me for my papers, I'll show you my finger. Press the issue and I'll show you something else.
"Papers, please" is a bright red line.
fractalsphere
They don't remember all the propaganda against Russia and East Germany with the fascist guards and police demanding your "papers, please" or they'd haul you off to the gulag. They want to become that fascist authoritarian government. It's sick.
Sinasohn
Oh, they definitely remember it. Where do you think they got the idea?
NorthmanoftheNorth
There's a huge difference there though.
When Russia did (and still does) that, it's a thinly veiled attempt at demographic purification, removing the "others" so there'll be more alike-looking people, and hopefully alike-thinking people left. Get rid of the colored, differently religioned, and replace them with ethnically and hatefully similar dudes.
It's way different when America does it because of, uhhhhh, hmm.. I'll have to get back to you on tha
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Daliena06
Even putting aside the inconstitutionality (what a word, not even sure if I spelled it right..) of the whole "Papers, please" approach, we all have seen that the American Gestapo will simply say "Ah, these papers? Obvious forgeries! Nice try, to the camp with you!" if they feel like it.
Sinasohn
e.g., Obama's birth certificate.
squirreltactics
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dWZzdWt3c3FleHBib2h6ZWU2ODV2cGZ1b3Axa3hmOG1qMm5kZjdrNiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/CU94B6y3UhjHO/200w.webp
Slugsie
It's literally against the Constitution. So, yes it is.
JohnSmithterms
As a brit ... which part?
gronzilla
I'd think of the presumption of innocence, and general freedom of movement?
jayman0123
unluckyandbored
Like the Constitution matters to fascists.
Futschigama
The USSC clarified in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada that "stop and identify" statutes are constitutional, i.e. police can stop you and ask for ID if they have a reasonable suspicion that you have committed or are in the process of committing a crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Thats in furtherance of a Terry stop. They must reasonablely articulate their suspicion of your involvement in a criminal activity.
unluckyandbored
"You fit the description..."
Futschigama
Furthermore, the USSC recently decided that ICE can legally stop people based solely on their perceived ethnicity. This has come to known as Kavanaugh Stop:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop
synfinitehell
Wrong, it has come to be known as racist bullshit
vibur
Wrong. It was always known as racist bullshit.
silversean
Sic semper tyranus
darkoshen
I wonder how many people know that's th Virginia State motto?
NotTheActualCharlieDay
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus!!
silversean
Always faithful Tyrannosauruses?
Snooj
I was once stopped by the cops while I was on foot because I had been "walking around a lot" and they asked me what I was doing. In a rare In a white-priveledge moment I told them, while not breaking stride, that if they wanted to talk to me they'd have to keep up with me. They actually got back in their cruiser, drove past me, and pulled over in a driveway, blocking the sidewalk. I walked around them and when they asked where I lived I asked them why that mattered. I kept walking. I have 1-
necessity
Am I free to go? I'm not discussing my day with you. Am I free to go? I'm not discussing my day with you. Am I free to go? I'm not discussing my day with you. Am I free to go? I'm not discussing my day with you.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Ask if its a Terry stop and articulate their reasonable suspicion of why they think you are involved in a criminal activity.
Snooj
I never even stopped walking so I didn't have to ask if I was free to go. :-)
jayman0123
WhiteTrashPrivilege
Can we post the version without the Zionist?
necessity
STFU FRIDAAAAAAY
Snooj
told that story to friends and family and the reactions are very mixed. One thing I get a lot is why didn't I just stop and talk to them. The reason I didn't is because there's no fucking way I want to normalize having to explain yourself to the cops when you aren't doing anything wrong. It is not illegal to walk on a sidewalk at night, even if you are walking around the same block several times. Sometimes you're just an old man playing Pokémon Go and that's none of their fucking business. 2-2
RevolutionOnHerLips
haha, that reminds me when cops stopped me and hassled me a bit because I was "out early." It was 7 am, I was 17 (and white), and jogging to try to get in better shape the month before I shipped off to boot camp. In a rural town, not near any houses or businesses. It was like they refused to believe a person was exercising on purpose (tbf I lived in the bible belt and ALL our cops were some level of obese)
Snooj
If they had made me stop to talk to them I would have asked them if they'd ever read the short story The Pedestrian. Because I have and it used to be dark fiction but now it feels like the clock is ticking, especially after your comment. https://www.riversidelocalschools.com/downloads/pedestrian%20short%20story.pdf
knotwingknot
America. Where half our media is about loving cops, but then you talk to real people and every city falls somewhere on this spectrum -
Side A: they do nothing, nonviolent crime is never fucking addressed and you think ,"oh, must be super swamped?" then you look it up and they're just going on endless homeless camp raids like they think there's loot in them (hi, it's me, Portland)
B. they farm stoners and broken tail lights 24/7 for donut money and think this is better policing than side A.
cryptzicle
And this why my kid knows "dont talk to cops. Tell the paramedics everything (once away from cops if present)"
slowshutterspeed
Oh. I tell my kids the first part. But not the paramedics one. Thanks!!
Delathi
I’ve given my kiddo the same. If something goes bad at a party, you tell the cops Nothing and you tell the paramedics EVERYTHING
mjs2353
Yup! Always give the person trying to keep you alive as much relevant information as possible. Only give as much info as necessary to the dude that can and will lock you up
ipointoutnahtzeesbyreplyingtothem
This was always where asking for ID to vote was going to end up. "Prove you can vote" is just "prove you're a citizen" with extra steps.
erinaceus
you are completely correct.
BrdCdn
As a non American I don't quite get the obsession with IDs and voting. We've always had to provide ID when voting. Whats the concern behind it?
SwordfishSomethings
Minorities and the poor tend to have less identification (There is no national ID). More Strict Voter ID Laws affect them disproportionately. They also tend to vote more Progressive. Its a dog whistle to suppress progressive voices and turnout. Voter Fraud in the US is currently very low, and existing ID requirements are effective.
ipointoutnahtzeesbyreplyingtothem
Since no one else said it, it's because you literally don't need an ID to securely vote in the US, and never have. You go to your local voting station, say who you are, they check you off the rolls, and you vote. Requiring an ID to do this is pointless; if someone impersonates someone else, it's instantly spotted because of the name already having been used, and either the original fraudulent vote is nullified, or the person trying to vote in someone else's name is denied.
ipointoutnahtzeesbyreplyingtothem
To circumvent this you have to go through so much effort that it can only be accomplished on large scales with huge amounts of work. So now you have to hope none of the dozens of people trolling the graveyards for recently deceased voters leak it, hope that no one spots someone going to multiple polling places, etc. It's a big reason why despite all the stories of it totally for sure happening and we Have To Do Something About It! (require IDs), fraudulent in-person voting is so rare in the US.
DestinyPrevails
Step 1: Make a system where not everyone has ID or gets mailed their voter card for each election.
Step 2: Select valid IDs based on which your votes are more likely to have and your opponents won't.
Step 3: Easy voter suppression.
Add in step 4: Don't register people automatically, make sure there are a ton of hoops to jump through; and step 5: selectively close or defund polling locations near your opponents, and you get a free step 6: It won't even look like voter suppression!
sfrinlan
It's not the ID itself, but the barriers we've put to getting an ID in the first place that are issues. If you can only get ID by showing up to a place and waiting in line during a work day and prove that you have been billed for utilities in your name at the same residence for a certain number of months and provide certain government documents like a birth certificate, you can start to see how that impacts certain populations from being able to get one, and thus to vote.
Sinasohn
Don't forget that the place you have to go to to get the ID isn't located near you and not everyone has easy access to a car and public transit doesn't always reliably serve areas where the poor/poc live, etc. Also, IDs cost money. Copies of birth certificates cost money.
sfrinlan
Indeed. And these are things the government already reasonably has or has access to from your birth or becoming a citizen anyway. Many of the factors are simply a choice that has been made on purpose to require to bring.
RhymingEverything
Nothing in theory, but it's utilized by corrupt ppl to disproportionately affect minority/blue voters and prevent them from voting. Without corruption it's actually a good idea though
khety1890
As far as I know, there's also the problem that the US government would have to roll it out now without bias to everyone since it never did it? Please correct if wrong
StrongBadEMale
There is no national ID system.
If you want an ID you need to go to an inconvenient place (with no public transport), pay a not-insubstantial amount of money, provide multiple difficult-to-procure "proofs" that a partisan attendant can often disqualify for any reason including no reason, and then wait for it to arrive to your listed address by mail multiple weeks later.
This is a process that is easy to twist if one's goal is to disenfranchise the "wrong people."
bikergeek6249
I'm not sure who "We" are, but presumably if you're from some country other than the US, your country probably issues a (maybe photo?) ID to every citizen or resident at no cost to the individual. The USA does not do this. In order to get such a document you need to gather up a birth certificate or immigration papers and go to the Department of Motor Vehicles in your state and get a driver's license, at a cost of about $50 and some time off work. A non-driver "state ID" requires the same thing.
swofromtherock
Less than 1 month ago, I was called crazy for suggesting "Papers please" was around the corner.
METROlD
As if they would say please.
zHurk777
different topic, but magas on a mc forum I use are saying "Give the tariffs time to work !!!". Those same idiots would be crying CIVIL WAR !!! if Biden had imposed the tariffs.
Lovingimpaler
They're too obtuse to realize that blanket tariffs are an economy killer, see Smoot Hawley Tariff Act of 1930. Give the tariffs time to work... give lower vaccination rates and removed water floridation time to work while you're at it. Dumbasses.
Someshithead241
"Glory to Amerika"
MajorasTerribleFate
Excuse me, it's "All glory to Amerika"
philmoregraves
Don't worry you'll be called crazy when they do public executions of US born white citizens for speaking out against this administration, till they televise on fox news 12 ppl being mined up and shot dead in front of the cameras. To which they will say it was justified bc you should respect the office and respect america
mikeatike
Which is crazy because its been around for decades if you are brown enough.
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
Twenty years ago I was called an alarmist for predicting this. They said it can't happen here.
RunningDroid
Every time someone says "It can't happen here" I'm reminded of this book from 1935:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here
wejustdontknow
Because you also listen to RATM and learned from history how these things always play out kinda the same way? Pattern recognition on an accented level?
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
It wasn't RATM, it was DOA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGazk4B5aIQ&t=120s
wejustdontknow
They works too
bikergeek6249
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."
marsilies
Was your prediction "in twenty years they'll ask for proof of citizenship to random people on the street" ?
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
Do you really expect a disingenuous question to receive an answer?
nclu
20 years ago puts us in WoT territory. The Islamophobia, Security state, and civil liberties crackdowns were definitely there. I wouldn't have pinned it as a "papers please" slippery slope, but there was tremendous surveillance apparatus going up at the time.
mikeatike
Wheel of Time?
nclu
lol. Yeah. The War on Terror is still crushing us all
ThisNameUnavailable
Just because your prediction was right, it doesn't mean that your prediction was good.
ThisNameUnavailable
If I predict a 69 will be rolled instead of any other number being rolled on a one billion sided die, that's objectively a terrible prediction (1 in 1 billion odds) versus predicting any other number (999,999,999 in 1 billion odds). If a 69 is rolled anyway, nothing changes about the quality of the prediction.
Xeramus
This comparison is like knowing that every roll between 70 and 80 out of 100, atleast one is guaranteed to be a 69.
There are patterns and history to draw on. Authoritarians are not an RNG generator
ThisNameUnavailable
I didn't comment about the quality of his actual prediction, just that predicting something correctly doesn't mean that your prediction is of a high quality.
sfrinlan
While this is true, it _also_ doesn't mean the prediction was bad, either. Was the prediction based on knowledge of history and political trends or simply offhand creative pessimism? One is a reasoned and calculated prediction, the other barely even a guess. The implication of your comment is that you've determined that it was a bad prediction seemingly in absence of these facts.
ThisNameUnavailable
No, my comment states and implies only that the logic of predicting something correctly implying the prediction was good is wrong. I have made no comment as to the quality of that prediction.