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Shapster
I asked chatgpt if i should upgrade to plus. It said. Lol no
StealThisRepost
The Death of Expertise by Tom Nichols is an interesting book.
Urgalicity
I think this is easy, you should have to list all of your peer reviewed papers as part of your credentials. If some average person can out publish an expert on a topic they have a chair in the debate.
GreatOdinsTaint
It doesn't need to be elitism, it just needs to be centered on evidence and effective communication. We in the science community fucked up by not jumping in and engaging the Joe Rogan pseudoscience pipeline much earlier. I'm starting to see this engagement more in recent years with guys like Dr. Mike and Professor Dave.
Btw anyone interested in an absolute intellectual beat down should watch Dave's debate with quack Pierre Kory and Steve Kirsch.
CestmarcoPM
The problem is that the people in power chose the intellectuals that that support their agenda, and in order to get jobs and grants, "intellectuals" change their expertise to get the available grants. It is why there are very few climate scientists that don't believe in climate change. There have been no jobs for them, and no grants to support their studies.
gayvillian
A virologist will know more about viruses than an eye doctor who doesn't practice.
LucilleWhoKnowsNot
Ah yes. An acquaintance can cure my neurological disorder by having me stand barefoot in dirt. She says it works every time. And don't forget to carry your crystals. She did her research. But what to my team of specialized neurologists know.
UnaccomplishedWatcherImNotaBot
Intellectual elitism was here already. It killed ITSELF. Don't repeat past mistakes, explain things to people SIMPLY.
paxnova
That doesn't work. They just want you to tell them what they want to hear. Which depends on whatever MLM or crypto rugpull they've got skin in. Gist has to be all their feelings are right and also they'll be like crazy rich if they just give you all their money.
Like do you honestly think you're going to convince flat earthers to change their worldview as long as you just speak slowly enough? Yeah, okay, maybe, let us know how it goes buddy.
Skullwriter
Elitism was the first thing used in order to divide the masses against the intellectuals. The right-wingers will be the first to say "LOOK! Those SNOBBISH ASSHOLES think that they are BETTER THAN US!"
ItsJustBluskyandImgrNow
For example, zero moderately intelligent humans anywhere on Earth, have a TwitX account, or will enable or treat it as anything but a terminal pandemic of the Internet. As for elitism, it would be better to simply wait until one intelligent person finally gets into a power position (it has not happened yet or the following would've already been enacted); they can establish an amendment requiring any top official have credentials greater than what's required for any job. POTUS = PhD w/a PS minor!
Comet260
What is there to be sorry about?
SirLurkAndSmirkAndSometimesSnark
It never went anywhere. Social media just created a lot of bubbles where ignorant people can reaffirm each other's beliefs until they literally don't know the difference between reality and their own self-created reality.
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reichtwinglunatic
well*
eastend666
I think we should be held to a higher standard, not cop out with "You knew what I meant." The US has an embarrassingly high percentage of adults who can't read beyond a 6th grade level. That's really sad.
Nim449
employing a double-negative in this economy?
Rink257
I use AI and I have to correct it constantly. It needs to fact check.
butcherfan0301
Yup. I know coworkers who use it to check electrical codes. They talk about how they can use this one for the intrusion search, then this one to check it, and if they're not sure it sounds right, they use a third to triple check. And it might still be wrong. I always ask at what point are they using AI to save time and effort vs using it for the sake of using it. AI, for when you want 70% of a correct answer... most of the time.
Rink257
I only use it to argue with Google about video game builds. Trying to keep the ins and outs of the new subclasses system in eso can drive you crazy. But I dont compete, im not a professional, not an influencer, so I can use it for stupid inconsequential things for my own entertainment. I dont think I trust humans or AI to do important stuff yet. Human checks are the most effective way to solve human error. Ai sucks at correcting human error.
derpman4k
Bullying worked
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
All hail the mighty A.I !!!
ka1iban
Or a roadkill-lovin' son of a senator/US Attorney General
TheCunningLinguists
I DID THE RESEARCH!!!!!!
johnblood616
My dipshit roommate and his Nazi sister say this shit. By which they mean they half remembered a Youtube thumbnail.
Banzai51
You did a search on the internet, Heather. That's not research.
OmNachoMama
As a PhD student learning to do actual research, I second this
herpb4uderp
We actually just need to make education more accessible instead of shitting on people stuck in impoverished areas without resources. rich psychopaths invested in maintaining an uneducated labor force they can exploit use intellectual elitism to their advantage to sow hate, suspicion, and discord.
mohammadbinsalmon
no we need to alienate people even more by scolding them! that worked in 2016 and 2024! More *clap* Scolds *clap* MORE *clap* SCOLDS *clap*
Navrodel
And almost more importantly, we need to do a better job of making sure that we get the real point of education - that being the capacity for logic and reason, and the protections of higher literacy: the ability to infer data, analyze incompleteness, and determine media bias.
We need people capable of figuring out where their problems actually come from, and immunized against propaganda that turns them against each other.
michaeloberg
The most trumpy assholes are the uneducated newly rich like car dealership owners, dentists etc. it isn't impoverishment, but entitlement
herpb4uderp
Imo those people fall under "rich paychopaths exploting others"
JakeWren
That and educating to *educate* rather than educating to get good scores on tests.
TheJuiceLoosener
The truth is that a lot of experts played very fast and loose with their credibility. Tobacco companies brought out loads of experts. Exxon? Lots of experts. Obviously, it doesn't mean that all experts are sell-outs, but once the trend gets traction, it's honestly not very easy for people of average intelligence and attention to figure this stuff out. That's why we have experts, because it isn't easy or intuitive. Hard to see how we close Pandora's Box now, though.
crazyspelling
Those are the worst examples, but not even the most prevalent. How much of the average online algorithm is pushing "scientifically proven" bullshit fads that don't work - supplement scams, weight loss scams, boner pill scams, life-hack scams, exercise scams, cure covid scams. Now imagine what it would be like to be fucking dumb and under-educated on science literacy. Of fucking COURSE these people don't trust science and doctors! How could they?!
TheJuiceLoosener
Absolutely. A lot has been made of the fact that the US health insurance system places doctors outside regular contact with their patients. If you only see the person once a year and they don't even know you or vice versa, of course they're going to get health advice for free from liars and idiots.
Zeddicuszull
This is a lot of fun to explain to people and watching them experience ego collapse. That individuals can be bought out and corrupted by capitalists and how you avoid being scammed is to pay attention to what institutions they belong to and how those function. Also how whole institutions are invented by conservatives to be corrupt, a seen by The Academy of Pediatrics verses The American College of Pediatrics. The latter is a conservative fraudster group.
TheJuiceLoosener
True, but this is also the message of the people who want to say that climate scientists are bought off by the Sierra Club or whatever. One bad apple can spoil the barrel, so if your goal is nihilistic capitalism, it behooves you to engage in this sort of thing. "Look, our experts are on the take, so probably theirs are too. See how they're making $160k and living in a modest, 3-bedroom house with their two kids?!"
johnxbear
The problem is stupid people think people like musk are smart. So they think their opinions are that of smart people
syko2k
And that is why we need both cyber and real-life flavors of bullying to return with a vengeance. Stupid people need to know, down to their very souls, that they're stupid. Like the good old days.
homemadechef
I do CSR for a bank and had a customer get scammed "We thought it was ok because it was Elon Musk advertising it"
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
Lmao yeah a coworker was like "I wonder what it's like to be a super genius, like Elon Musk just thinks "oh I bet I could move this part 4 degrees" and is just constantly thinking of solutions and the math and science behind them". Huge ego boost that even when he went into greater detail he literally just described how my mind works when describing a "super genius" but he doesn't seem to understand that Musk pays people to do all the advanced science for him
amundost
Dunning-kruger
Ultratoxic
Musk is great at getting other people to give him their money. This about it. His understanding of physics and computer science is undergrad at best and he's spent a lot of money poaching top engineers from other firms to try to implement his ideas. Most of his products work better the further he was from the design process.
vilikke
The only line musk is considering the angle of is the powdered one in front of him
hsalonen3000
Musk has better than average understanding of some things. Then he also does not understand software engineering at all. So I think it is easy to think you are all-around genius, when you are successful on some areas. But regarding Twitter - yeah, you suck and understand very little. But he knows how to run some businesses and leverage that power. He even bought your presidential elections .
Tinsoldat
As soon as he talks about anything you know about you realise he know jack about shit. Just assume that hes lying about everything else too. He's proof the current system shields those with money from consequences.
paxnova
I'm pretty sure at this point that all the "elite" profound moments they're having at Davos et. al. is just a bunch of out of touch people tripping on ketamine philosophizing about a world where dogs are named "cats."
Daphault1
The internet was a better place when you had to be a little smart or at least able to do actual research to get online.
YouAreTheInsultMaster
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jethroismaxbaer5772
Eternal September
phoenix0path
Yup. Le sigh.
VindictiveBathToaster
And, in order to get online, you had to torture a robot until its dying screams powered the internet.
VosperOfAntarctica
I mean, it was always full of crap, but having that barrier ensured that everyone that had access to that crap could probably tell it was crap. But yeah, the modern internet has automated the crap on high and fully saturated the feed
slightlybrokenegg
As someone who found it hilarious to purposefully spread mostly harmless misinformation in the late 90s early 2000s yeah someone might convince you that lime juice salt and tequila will get out a red wine stain lol.
tychog99
I mean the wine stain will no longer be visible
And if it is, you haven't drunk enough
hsalonen3000
Internet was a research network with mostly academics online last century. Microsoft even said: "Internet will never surpass MSN, our superior network". When social media came, stupid people found communities that would accept them like they are, and instead of laughing at their opinions, they were embraced. Good for their ego, bad for the society. Now they think "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge".
howunfortunate9
They always have, at least here in America.
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”"
-Isaac Asimov, Newsweek, Jan 21, 1980
stokessd
This internet was so much better when it was text based. I blame Tim Berners-Lee for this mess.
peterchen
In a way, yes, buit also - I've seen how quickly the techies "meritocracy" would turn into a self-serving superiority claim, and that's a straight line to brogrammer culture and tech mogul.
jalcantara88127001
Yeah but the real world was still pretty stupid
RedPipe
True but people didn't have the same reach. If you have a fringe idea and ask 25 people about it everyone might realistically disagree with you making you think you're idea is bad. But online you can probably find a Fringe Idea Fangroup within minutes making you think your idea must be good and popular!
wejustdontknow
Putting up a website required some degree of intelligence and problem solving, in the early days. Not saying there weren't wackos. There were. But pre Twiiter and FB, there was some minor skills required to have an online presence.
thedudeman519
I remember when Faebook and MySpae allowed you to use HTML
4chanrefugee
Chooseausernameandyoureallset
Twitter was 2006, Facebook was 2004.
How much skill did you need to use Myspace in 2003? We're not talking about CompuServe in the late 70's or BBS in the 80's here.
wejustdontknow
I built websites for my college in 1995. Hand coded HTML. That was the only way.
AnAbsoluteIdiotApproaches
Those were the days. Still a low barrier of entry though; it was basically just writing text and then formatting it with tags.
AnAbsoluteIdiotApproaches
Honestly, I miss it.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
This is why people born in the mid 80's to early 90's will be the most competent computer users. They began using computers at a time when there was a skill gate to make them functional, and so they were forced to meet a minimum threshold of competency to get what they wanted. This also forced them to learn fundamentals before anything else.
When the system lets you run before you walk, there's no incentive to learn how to walk and rarely a reason to do so.
thedudeman519
Yea, I noticed this when I was doing product support for an electronics retailer from 2018-2021.
Having access to and knowing basic ways to use a computer or tablet/phone does NOT make someone tech savvy.
PedalPizza
Mid-80s to early 90s? 5-10 year olds? When do you think the internet became widely available?
CommunCreator
Early 90s? I was downloading porn off Usenet while you were still in your daddy’s sack.
PedalPizza
Yep. Using BBSs to connect to 133t boards around the country, using Fidonet usegroups and echomail to send messages around the world, then on to the Usenets and Gopher systems of the early internet.
CommunCreator
Naah, I just dialed up and logged into my university’s mainframe and used my undergrad account.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
The world wide web became widely available in September 1993, but before you could get onto the web, you needed a computer. Understanding how computers work was prerequisite to doing anything.
People whose formative years were in the mid 90's to early 00's needed to learn how computers worked to do anything with them.
People born earlier were too far along in life to casually dick around, and people born later were provided with more user-friendly hardware and software.
PedalPizza
I agree. You just said “born” mid-80s to 90s. Many of them missed the tinkering era and landed with preconfigured everything already.