Israel hide behind the holocaust and the atrocities committed during WW2 to claim anyone that is against what they are doing now, is an anti semetic. They use it as a weapon of control against every other country. And all of our governments bend over to get fucked by Israel.
My country has, on multiple occasions, took a back seat, to the IDF on matters that have no business having them involved.
But, it racist to not one millions of dollars to go to aid a genecide.
How about the US stop all funding and support.....or go one better put the entire country on a sanctions list. Time to change roles on who is on the leash and who holds it.
It is to give Trunp a way to throw out the whole deal. Israel doesn't adhere, Iran retaliates, the US tears up the deal, stock market fluctuates and we start over by next weekend.
This can likely happen but it would also mean the US economy will still be under pressure and midterms are looming.
If this ends this week between US and Iran or ends this summer when a deal is actually signed the Republicans might still have a chance as US voters have the memory of a goldfish ir worse.
If it continues into fall it could be a landslide loss for the Republicans and Trump is terrified of it.
Hear me out: that was the plan. Trump gets Iran to agree to a lopsided deal entirely in their favor so he can have the "win,"" then Israel spikes it. You can offer your opponent the moon and the stars when your plan is to renege.
It won't last forever, someone somewhere is profiting. It will last until the growth of their capital gains with oil / gold / weapon stocks will stagnate. Then they will move on to the next profitable venture and the war will end. Until the stock prices for war stocks will drop to a point where buying them en masse is worth it again and the cycle will repeat.
What Israel has done is confirm to every other country that if they have a fight with Israel, they can expect it to be total war, they can expect no good-faith negotiations, and they can expect no decorum or fair fighting. Any deal they try to make will be simply to get the other side to stop fighting as effectively and will not be followed.
Netanyahu has realized that -- when Israel stops fighting -- he goes *back on trial* for corruption. So he has a reason to *never stop*, despite anything...
Market was down last week. Trump announces deal. Market us up now. Bibi announces no deal. They're just using each other as scapegoats to bounce the stock market to make a buck.
This is Israels war of aggression, and there won't be any peace deal that doesn't ALSO see Israel withdraw. Any 'ceasefire' won't be held to, any 'temporary opening of oil trade' won't be long-lived, any oil price drops will be short-lived.
The only way to stop isreal from being itself, is to remove isreal altogether. It is broken beyond repair. They are so vile, so filled with absolute hatred and ignorance, so sure of their self imposed superiority... They are literally nazis now.
This is tragic to me on so many levels. I have many friends in Israel, most of which are left-leaning and do not support what's going on with their government. The one who wasn't I no longer have any contact with; he got pissed when I expressed this sentiment.
If there are 10 people at a table and a nazi sits down, you should leave because it is now a nazi table. If there are 8 nazis at your table and you haven't left, you're a nazi.
If immigrating to another country (which likely has its own moral implications) were as easy as getting up from a table, that analogy would make sense.
I don't think you can be left leaning in a country that has been doing open genocide on their neighbors for years unless you are literally doing guerrilla warfare against the leadership of that country. Your friends might just be gay -friendly fascists
Iโm in the USA and weโve been doing genocide for 250 years. Iโm as far left as I could get but I also care about my students who are also stuck here.
Israel has pretty much destroyed every residence for 40 miles in above the border. All those people now without a home. Just because Israel is petty and greedy and wants their land.
I just read too that Israel expectied the US to put boots on the ground in Iran to personally extract the enriched uranium (aka Weapons of Mass Destruction which Israel also pushed back then).
Israel wanted boots on the ground to create a quagmire the US couldn't get out of and forever destabilize Iran. Nuclear material was just their PR spin.
Yeah, that's why I associated it with the non-existent WMDs (that Georgie was jokingly looking for in the Oval Office) which had the US in Iraq for a couple decades even though Israel knew there were none.
Georgie also had a big hand in bringing Hamas to power by pushing elections there, ignoring Hamas attempts to compromise with Israel, and then splitting the two Palestinian regions by forcing a covert coup attempt by Fatah.
Not petty, sociopathic, murderous, cold calculated child killers, evil incarnate. Nothing about them is petty, the cruelty is controlled, focused and direct. Their country brainwashed deeper than any other since Nazi Germany. They're hard at work building an end to empathy in the world. If the devil was real, his name would by Netanyahu.
Perception folks... That can mean *Their* as in Palestine's, Lebanon's land. Not Israel's land that they think is theirs. Take your time & read and THINK about how words can mean several different things. You may just learn how to communicate much better in the future
I did not dv (only just now saw this exchange) but by "their land" in my original comment I meant the land of the Lebanese, not Israel land though Israel does seem to want to make it their own. In that context it is odd to me to sarcastically scare quote reply to the Lebanese having their own land that Israel is destroying. Maybe that is what others saw?
Hopefully it is just misreading/misunderstanding what each commenter means but @IStoleALoafOfBread is free to explain their side for themself.
While most (non-zionist) people agree that the land is Lebanese, Israel likes to claim it as theirs instead. So I put it in quotes because whose land it is, is a heavily loaded variable depending on who is talking and from what perspective.
๐ค๐จ๐๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ฅ: Israeli terrorist forces have dropped ~200,000 TONS of bombs on Gaza as of 2026. An unprecedented concentration on a 360 kmยฒ area with 2.2m people, dwarfing the combined explosive tonnage dropped in the WWII bombings of London, Hamburg, Dresden, & Tokyo. ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐พ๐๐ถ๐๐ฎ๐น๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ญ๐ฏ ๐๐ถ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ต๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ-๐๐๐ฝ๐ฒ ๐ป๐๐ฐ๐น๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ ๐ฏ๐ผ๐บ๐ฏ๐. Over 40,000 Palestinians were murdered within the first year. Nearly 84,000 civilians had been murdered by January 2025. Estimates for 2026 are in excess of 130,000 murders.
๐๐ข๐ฅ ๐ฃ๐๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฃ๐๐๐ง๐๐ฉ๐: The US dropped ๐ณ+ ๐บ๐ถ๐น๐น๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐ป๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฏ๐ผ๐บ๐ฏ๐ in Indochinaโ (one 500-pound bomb per person in Vietnam). But this bombing was spread over a decade & vast region. By contrast, Gaza's ~200,000 tons were dropped in under 2 years on a single, densely populated enclave, making it FAR more concentrated. Think about this: Vietnam is ~330,000 kmยฒ vs. Gaza's 360 kmยฒ, meaning ๐๐ข๐ป๐ข ๐ฉ๐ข๐ด ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ถ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฆ๐น๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ช๐ท๐ฆ๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ด๐ฒ๐ถ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ญ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ, far exceeding Vietnam's bombardment density.
The thing with these numbers is... we simply don't know. Noone does. This is not downplaying it. We simply have no idea what to expect if we ever get to process how many died. IF. It's not likely Israel will allow access to bring light into their own crimes. We may never even know. How many bodies are under the rubble? How many people buried in unmarked graves?
The longer it is not possible to do one, the less enlightening is a census to that matter. Who kept track on how many births and >
deaths took place in the rubble? And as we know from past genocides, the bigger the uncertainty, the more the apologists will use it to deny, sow doubt, play down.
TL;DR; We have no idea of the scale of death and suffering that is happening in Gaza and if Israel keeps it under guard successfully, we may even never know.
The official count is "at least 70.000". The real number could be 90.000. Or it could be 300.000.
that said you can math out what it should be. There Lived X amount there before after X year of bombardment. how many peaple do we cound in a location (do it over multiple locations and times) compare to what the same location would math out before. and you can get a hum of the true numbers.
The problem is the chaos. I tried to bring it across. The longer we can't get a censuse done, the harder does this calculation get, the more variables, the less we know what happened in between. And the chaos also means people lose track.
If we take the holocaust on the european jews as an example, it took a gargantuan and acribic effort to arrive at numbers that were accurate within margins that are as big as the numbers we're talking about in Gaza. Such accurate numbers don't even exist for >
32FGWolfhound
stultusaur
Fuck these cunts.
Israel hide behind the holocaust and the atrocities committed during WW2 to claim anyone that is against what they are doing now, is an anti semetic. They use it as a weapon of control against every other country. And all of our governments bend over to get fucked by Israel.
My country has, on multiple occasions, took a back seat, to the IDF on matters that have no business having them involved.
But, it racist to not one millions of dollars to go to aid a genecide.
bourbonandbaddecisions
Iran should have mandated the US end military aid to Israel as part of the deal.
redtails2649
Israel is the real problem and aggressor
MrNobodyLivesHere
How about the US stop all funding and support.....or go one better put the entire country on a sanctions list. Time to change roles on who is on the leash and who holds it.
somebackup
When I heard of the deal, I knew the only way it would stay is if Israel was finally erased.
flordelasantillas
Nuke Israel. Middle East issues resolved.
loma45
Genocide is bad, therefore perhaps genocide is the answer. Real big brain here.
CyberHexx
I mean... Why not invite him over to the US, and then fucking black bag him and make his ass disappear like all the immigrants they keep kidnapping?
Bojovnik84
It is to give Trunp a way to throw out the whole deal. Israel doesn't adhere, Iran retaliates, the US tears up the deal, stock market fluctuates and we start over by next weekend.
FPAlpha
This can likely happen but it would also mean the US economy will still be under pressure and midterms are looming.
If this ends this week between US and Iran or ends this summer when a deal is actually signed the Republicans might still have a chance as US voters have the memory of a goldfish ir worse.
If it continues into fall it could be a landslide loss for the Republicans and Trump is terrified of it.
Bojovnik84
They don't care, because they fully intend to cheat. They've already started that too.
AwwYEE
walnutbreath
Hear me out: that was the plan. Trump gets Iran to agree to a lopsided deal entirely in their favor so he can have the "win,"" then Israel spikes it. You can offer your opponent the moon and the stars when your plan is to renege.
terryjohnson56
Only Hezbollah and Iran can save Lebanon, israel has enslaved the rest of the world
kaijuuGold
israeli zionist are the reason why there is no peace
Detacheddavid
Netanyahu needs a forever war.
He'll do whatever to keep it rolling.
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
It won't last forever, someone somewhere is profiting. It will last until the growth of their capital gains with oil / gold / weapon stocks will stagnate. Then they will move on to the next profitable venture and the war will end. Until the stock prices for war stocks will drop to a point where buying them en masse is worth it again and the cycle will repeat.
lalalalsblablabal
Please sign and share this eu citizens initiative for full suspension of EU-Israel association agreement:

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/055/public/#/screen/home
Eldibs
What Israel has done is confirm to every other country that if they have a fight with Israel, they can expect it to be total war, they can expect no good-faith negotiations, and they can expect no decorum or fair fighting. Any deal they try to make will be simply to get the other side to stop fighting as effectively and will not be followed.
Bizarkly
Netanyahu has realized that -- when Israel stops fighting -- he goes *back on trial* for corruption. So he has a reason to *never stop*, despite anything...
sadurdaynight
Market was down last week. Trump announces deal. Market us up now. Bibi announces no deal. They're just using each other as scapegoats to bounce the stock market to make a buck.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
USA is Israel bitch.
Antrobus55
Ah, the old bad asshole, worse asshole routine. Trump gets tainted money and BiBi masturbates to dead children.
fractalsphere
This is Israels war of aggression, and there won't be any peace deal that doesn't ALSO see Israel withdraw. Any 'ceasefire' won't be held to, any 'temporary opening of oil trade' won't be long-lived, any oil price drops will be short-lived.
Oatmealman1
The only way to stop isreal from being itself, is to remove isreal altogether. It is broken beyond repair. They are so vile, so filled with absolute hatred and ignorance, so sure of their self imposed superiority... They are literally nazis now.
defensivebackhair
To the surprise of literally no one whose been paying attention. Israel tells the US what to do. Not the other way around.
GratuaCuun
If Cheetolini thought Bibi was gonna drag us into a war - and then allow us to pull out - then he's even more demented than we thought
And that's saying something
emu314159127001
So so dumb.
YouRadicalizedMe
Fuck Israel
Whitebeardthepirate
i wouldn't doubt that bibi is going to continue it, and that cheeto's response will be "nothing to do with me"
GratuaCuun
If so - I don't see Iran doing anything besides cashing that 300b dollar check and telling folks to fuck off afterwards...
HenryLongfellowIII
Kinda doubt they'll see a penny of it. Considering that murdering negotiators while pretending to act in good faith is the modus operandi of one side.
GratuaCuun
Yes, the US ๐
glocksout
Itโs the exact same deal they announced like 3 other times. Thereโs no deal.
ontarioOT
kadaeux
firni
AyatollahBahloni
This is tragic to me on so many levels. I have many friends in Israel, most of which are left-leaning and do not support what's going on with their government. The one who wasn't I no longer have any contact with; he got pissed when I expressed this sentiment.
akafluffy
If there are 10 people at a table and a nazi sits down, you should leave because it is now a nazi table. If there are 8 nazis at your table and you haven't left, you're a nazi.
Atlasguitar
If immigrating to another country (which likely has its own moral implications) were as easy as getting up from a table, that analogy would make sense.
akafluffy
As a dutch man living in Canada because my family fled the Nazis, tell me more about that, cocksucker.
SecondSince
Tell them to GTFO, because i am DONE with trying to distinguish between them. Fuck Israel and everyone involved in it.
NKato
*sips tea*
"Left Leaning in Israel". Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down? Even the official left-leaning parties are pro-genocide.
johnathanrossshoulddie
I don't think you can be left leaning in a country that has been doing open genocide on their neighbors for years unless you are literally doing guerrilla warfare against the leadership of that country. Your friends might just be gay -friendly fascists
BruhForScale
Thatโs what I keep saying about Americans. Thank you!
UsernameAlreadyTaken058
It is entirely possible to see the society around you change while being powerless to do anything about it.
/gallery/august-landmesser-kWoiM
fknbastard
Iโm in the USA and weโve been doing genocide for 250 years. Iโm as far left as I could get but I also care about my students who are also stuck here.
datphone777365
Humanity, genociding itself since well forever...
Stupid apes running eldritch software on pre-stoneage hardware and chemistry...
loma45
"We have Paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions and godlike technology."
-Edward O. Wilson
WeAreFriendsNow
Israel has pretty much destroyed every residence for 40 miles in above the border. All those people now without a home. Just because Israel is petty and greedy and wants their land.
I just read too that Israel expectied the US to put boots on the ground in Iran to personally extract the enriched uranium (aka Weapons of Mass Destruction which Israel also pushed back then).
mrthewhitee
Israel wanted boots on the ground to create a quagmire the US couldn't get out of and forever destabilize Iran. Nuclear material was just their PR spin.
WeAreFriendsNow
Yeah, that's why I associated it with the non-existent WMDs (that Georgie was jokingly looking for in the Oval Office) which had the US in Iraq for a couple decades even though Israel knew there were none.

Georgie also had a big hand in bringing Hamas to power by pushing elections there, ignoring Hamas attempts to compromise with Israel, and then splitting the two Palestinian regions by forcing a covert coup attempt by Fatah.
Strategicgnomer
Not petty, sociopathic, murderous, cold calculated child killers, evil incarnate. Nothing about them is petty, the cruelty is controlled, focused and direct. Their country brainwashed deeper than any other since Nazi Germany. They're hard at work building an end to empathy in the world. If the devil was real, his name would by Netanyahu.
IStoleALoafOfBread
"their land"
todaytomorrowwillbeyesterday
Perception folks... That can mean *Their* as in Palestine's, Lebanon's land. Not Israel's land that they think is theirs. Take your time & read and THINK about how words can mean several different things. You may just learn how to communicate much better in the future
ToSisPoS
From the quotations, I would assume you are referring to these words sarcastically so the seven down votes perplex me
ToSisPoS
Ah NM itโs the usual 9-13 bots.
WeAreFriendsNow
I did not dv (only just now saw this exchange) but by "their land" in my original comment I meant the land of the Lebanese, not Israel land though Israel does seem to want to make it their own. In that context it is odd to me to sarcastically scare quote reply to the Lebanese having their own land that Israel is destroying. Maybe that is what others saw?
Hopefully it is just misreading/misunderstanding what each commenter means but @IStoleALoafOfBread is free to explain their side for themself.
IStoleALoafOfBread
While most (non-zionist) people agree that the land is Lebanese, Israel likes to claim it as theirs instead. So I put it in quotes because whose land it is, is a heavily loaded variable depending on who is talking and from what perspective.
NChomsky
๐ค๐จ๐๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ฅ: Israeli terrorist forces have dropped ~200,000 TONS of bombs on Gaza as of 2026. An unprecedented concentration on a 360 kmยฒ area with 2.2m people, dwarfing the combined explosive tonnage dropped in the WWII bombings of London, Hamburg, Dresden, & Tokyo. ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐พ๐๐ถ๐๐ฎ๐น๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ญ๐ฏ ๐๐ถ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ต๐ถ๐บ๐ฎ-๐๐๐ฝ๐ฒ ๐ป๐๐ฐ๐น๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ ๐ฏ๐ผ๐บ๐ฏ๐. Over 40,000 Palestinians were murdered within the first year. Nearly 84,000 civilians had been murdered by January 2025. Estimates for 2026 are in excess of 130,000 murders.
NChomsky
๐๐ข๐ฅ ๐ฃ๐๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฃ๐๐๐ง๐๐ฉ๐: The US dropped ๐ณ+ ๐บ๐ถ๐น๐น๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐ป๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฏ๐ผ๐บ๐ฏ๐ in Indochinaโ (one 500-pound bomb per person in Vietnam). But this bombing was spread over a decade & vast region. By contrast, Gaza's ~200,000 tons were dropped in under 2 years on a single, densely populated enclave, making it FAR more concentrated. Think about this: Vietnam is ~330,000 kmยฒ vs. Gaza's 360 kmยฒ, meaning ๐๐ข๐ป๐ข ๐ฉ๐ข๐ด ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ถ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฆ๐น๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ช๐ท๐ฆ๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ด๐ฒ๐ถ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ญ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ, far exceeding Vietnam's bombardment density.
Rehanshaikh
And none of these Zionazi fucks are in jail. Tell me again how the Zionazis don't run everything!
howcansomeonepossiblyhavethesameweirdusernamealready
Jesus Fucking Christ. Fuck Israel and fuck any Zionists that don't live there as well.
YouRadicalizedMe
Fuck Israel!
Meetgeorgejetson4510
Fuck Israel!
mercyPandaRunner
The thing with these numbers is... we simply don't know. Noone does. This is not downplaying it. We simply have no idea what to expect if we ever get to process how many died. IF. It's not likely Israel will allow access to bring light into their own crimes. We may never even know. How many bodies are under the rubble? How many people buried in unmarked graves?
The longer it is not possible to do one, the less enlightening is a census to that matter. Who kept track on how many births and >
YouRadicalizedMe
Fuck Israel
mercyPandaRunner
Fuck Israel
mercyPandaRunner
deaths took place in the rubble? And as we know from past genocides, the bigger the uncertainty, the more the apologists will use it to deny, sow doubt, play down.
mercyPandaRunner
TL;DR; We have no idea of the scale of death and suffering that is happening in Gaza and if Israel keeps it under guard successfully, we may even never know.
The official count is "at least 70.000". The real number could be 90.000. Or it could be 300.000.
That is freaking scary.
ZackWester
that said you can math out what it should be. There Lived X amount there before after X year of bombardment. how many peaple do we cound in a location (do it over multiple locations and times) compare to what the same location would math out before. and you can get a hum of the true numbers.
mercyPandaRunner
The problem is the chaos. I tried to bring it across. The longer we can't get a censuse done, the harder does this calculation get, the more variables, the less we know what happened in between. And the chaos also means people lose track.
If we take the holocaust on the european jews as an example, it took a gargantuan and acribic effort to arrive at numbers that were accurate within margins that are as big as the numbers we're talking about in Gaza. Such accurate numbers don't even exist for >