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JAPONfan
Yes. In Poland we have 3 cases when the child was dead in the womb buy the doctors didn't help the mothers leading to their deaths. All because the doctors were afraid that ANY procedure with fetus could be interpreted as abortion and for that you could get a life in prison.
Cruxia13
Its Texas, so her mother is 100% correct. They didn't care about the 18 year old suffering, and if the baby had been born they wouldn't have cared about it either.
BuckysGambit
That shouldn’t happen to anyone. In this case the 18yo and her mother were anti-abortion and didn’t have a problem when others couldn’t get one. Just another, “only my abortion is morally justified” conservative. https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/03/health/texas-fetal-demise-propublica
laurapede83
That very last sentence is all that needs to be said.
supertigerlamp
It sucks how much less "hassle" they expect to get from letting a pregnant woman die in a horrible way than aborting a fetus.
TyrCarter
Pretty much the same happened here in Poland couple years back when our former government went the crosshumper route and even made the doctors scared of aborting in accordance with the law. Fortunately the new government got rid of the paranoia factor on that one so it got slightly better.
However reversing abortion bans in primarilly christian countries is sadly a tall order...
StOfKillers
Seemed like? Ha. Let me confirm it for you honey.
Chaapai
If that had been my child, nothing would stop me from seeking revenge on everyone responsible
cheekysheikhy
She would have had better medical care in Saudi Arabia or Iran than Texas.
Chimaeraxxxxx
Hey guys, did you know? If you save the mother’s life, she’ll probably have another kid later? Then you’ll get what you want! /s
redredwiyine
The family should sue the state of Texas for negligence in killing all the mother's unborn potential children. Use their arguments against them.
evolution4407
The GOP is death cult.
evilspock
We need to stop letting non-doctors make medical decisions, including and especially lawmakers.
IANAD, but once Sepsis is diagnosed, sending the mother home is a death sentence for both the mother and the fetus. Stupid laws should not be followed.
yalczero
Not just non-doctors but also doctors who don't have any knowledge on the subject matter. I think it was CBS that had a doctor on one of their talking head shows for a discussion on abortion and the guy was a fucking podiatrist. He had no knowledge or experience with reproductive health and yet he's the one the talking heads had on to talk about abortion.
DownUpUpDown
No, they were more concerned about their medical license and not going to jail.
ElroydIsGone
Came here to say this. If ignoring the heartbeat gets them into jail, but killing the mother doesn't, guess what they'll be doing. That's the intended cruelty of "Pro Life".
bittenicht39
What other job is there that sends you to jail for doing the right thing? May all these so-called "Christians“ die a slow and painful death.
DownUpUpDown
You can be thrown in jail if you are an attorney, 100% know your client is a murderer so you do the right thing by not giving them a proper defense or actually telling the court they did it. There are actually a lot of jobs in corporate management you can be thrown in jail doing the "right" thing if it goes against the company and shareholders. Hell whistleblowers have served time.
300Hectares1TankofKerosene
I guess Texas gets what Texas votes for.
Poppypoppoppop
They are more concerned about not being locked up. How the medical community is not revolting is absurd. ... but that's for profits hospitals for you
GreenJayBird
Bro they all left. I live in central Texas and would need to drive 2 hours to get a GP appt. There are whole ass deserts of medical care here. Soon as I can get enough money together, we're out
rbudrick
System working as designed.
Klpincoyo
Back in the 90s, in my conservative hometown, my Christian male OB recognized that I was in a state of emergency at 25 weeks pregnant. He rushed me into an ultrasound to confirm his findings, and he performed an abortion in a Christian run hospital early the next morning. He saved my life, and then continued to look after my mental health. He was my OB through my two successful pregnancies. Today, that man would be ostracized by these fucking loons.
Wolfshead009
He would be in jail.
Klpincoyo
How batshit crazy to consider.
Holinyx05
That's exactly what Texas voted for
DocNitro
They are not 'Pro Life', they are 'Pro Birth'. Because the process of giving birth probably earns the hospitals more.
homemadechef
My mother was a career hospital nurse in postpartum - hospitals lose money on all maternity care. It's considered community service.
cadesama
Seems you cannot read. There is nothing in this case that was expected to lead to birth. The people who write these laws are pro women dying of sepsis. The hospitals are pro not being arrested, even at the expense of patients' lives.
GoldenSun3DS
They're Pro Death.
AVerySillyPuppy
Holy shit is this one EVER ***NOT*** about "earnings". This is about controlling women. FULL STOP.
Penguinsandbroadswords
It can be both. South Carolina has waged a full war against midwives outside of hospital settings, especially Certified Professional Midwives who do home births. It is being led by a coalition of OB's who want every woman to give birth in hospitals. They claim safety, but the statistics don't back it up; the profit margins do. Some of these OB's were responsible for the only midwife group in the area with hospital privileges being shut down.
AVerySillyPuppy
TOTALLY unrelated to what's being discussed. Yes, hospitals in our capitalist hellscape really like money. No one is denying that. But that has NOTHING to do with why abortion and related care are controversial.
cousteau
Anti-choice.
PostalHeathen
They're not even pro-birth, they're anti-woman.
Robtheshaman
Its what it really boils down to. I thought it just stopped at "pro-birth" but after sometime and looking at the way life has gone. It truly is anti-woman. Its disgusting.
Kalcibonie
Sounds like a lawsuit for wrongful death.
shorey66
They're just following the law. Sounds like it's Luigi time
JT1984
Then they sue the lawmakers. And fail, bc its Texas, and the judges are pieces of shit GOP plants.
ShadeMeadowsArt
How can you be more concerned about a live to be than a life that IS?
HappyTimeHollis
Because - and this is the logic they use - by letting the mother die instead of having an abortion they've ensured that both the mother and baby go to heaven instead of hell. They feel like they have "saved" them both.
ShadeMeadowsArt
...as someone who has been born in a catholic family, and this is at least in my home, this makes NO sense to any of us.
HappyTimeHollis
The people behind these laws generally aren't Catholic, they're Baptist. And saving everyone else whether they like it or not is basically their whole thing.
ShadeMeadowsArt
Oh, fair enough.
I'm just sayin' that from a family that believes in supposedly the same god, this is wicked.
HappyTimeHollis
It truly is, mate. It truly is.
billymaditsdone
all part of gods plan
thedudeman519
Her name was Nevaeh Crain and she passed away in 2023.
https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala
bourbonandbaddecisions
Sauce. https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala
kittyfajitas
Thank you!! I had to scroll way too far down to find this. I read the ProPublica article when it came out but I wasn't sure this was the same case.
bourbonandbaddecisions
Sadly, There have been way too many to keep track.
kittyfajitas
Precisely.
medimr
Why does that tweet have a screenshot from The Substance?
Username62611
That's the "pretty girls should always smile" scene, I think. Which could be about how women are denied agency, not allowed to exist except in ways permitted by the patriarchy. Or some shit idk
medimr
Ah, right. The last like 10 minutes of that movie obliterated the rest of the 3rd act from my mind.
bbraunImgur
This post reeks of AI slop. I am sure the story is not unbelievable, but it is very much rage-baiting.
thedudeman519
It's not.
I will say,though, that posts like this that don't have any information in them are pointless.
medimr
Possible. I still have no idea why that particular movie would be relevant, though.
Penguinsandbroadswords
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala/ The Texas Tribune reported it themselves. A simple google search would have alleviated your ignorance.
thedudeman519
I wish OP would include this in their post.
I'm all for awareness. But posting screenshots of tweets with no information in them is lazy bullshit.
MortimerMango
this is what the people voted for
PolitiCat
Anyone voting for such a thing shouldn't be considered human anymore.
mohammadbinsalmon
dehumanization is a tactic that people use to commit genocide. just say they arent humans you agree with, protect your own psyche
PolitiCat
It is not about the origin, race or something inherent. It is about actions. Actions have consequences.
mohammadbinsalmon
it doesnt matter. humanity has made grotesque, abhorrent, violent decisions since its inception. you cant treat every undesirable aspect as fundamentally inhuman, because explicitly it is not. the act of dehumanizing other people dehumanizes you in the process.
dont get this mixed up with a defence of these people - i would actively celebrate their deaths. but they are human beings, and denying that is a weakness, not a strength.
thedudeman519
100 percent in agreement
vonHoopla
This is perfectly human though. Humanity is not something good, or special, or deep. Humanity is what humanity does. Every charity, every song, every war, every atrocity, everything. And humanity continuously, actively supports this by going to work and paying taxes and living under the systems made to perpetuate this. To put your own tribe over all else is a normal human thing to do.
TheMightyMollusk
Or couldn't bother to vote against.
certainlynotaserialkiller
not willing to vote is an active vote against.
DwayneTheCrackJohnson
"But I don't like ice cream" when voting for either free ice cream for everyone vs everyone getting stabbed to the eye
tinybartender
"Everyone gets a puppy vs. diarrhea forever" and diarrhea wins because some people are allergic to dogs.
dingosmush
Yep.
lightfoot2
This is Texas, and of course they were. So that lets you know what kinds of doctors still practice in Texas.
khora
They are not helping anyone in jail though.
DorkJedi
they ain't helping anyone in the hospital either. thats the damn point.
khora
They are helping everyone who aren't pregnant.
lightfoot2
Which is why any of value have left
FormerlySable
Yep. My incredibly good gynecologist in Dallas retired because even though she wasn’t an obstetrician, she felt she couldn’t practice honestly anymore.
lightfoot2
Good for her! I am very glad to hear she retired. Maybe if she gets the desire to help people she can move to a "free" state to help people in need.
FormerlySable
She became president of the National Association on Menopause or something similar.
DorgEndo
It would be hospital policy trapping doctors too. Doctor violates the policies and then they don't have a job and very likely get sued by the hospital for practicing evidence based medicine
wadatahmydamie
Add to that, the murder charges from the state
lightfoot2
Of course. Any doctor worth anything would leave the state immediately. Now they get what is left
ziralien
This is what MAGA and the GOP want.
backrideup9
We're past "want". We're smack dab in the middle of "doing".
a1b3117
"if my underage rape victim dies then they can't testify and get me locked up" - Every. Single. Republican.
GlenL
"she's too old to rape, who cares if she dies" - MAGA
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
Fuck what they want. Those doctors murdered her daughter.
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
It gets worse. https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/health-science/healthcare/2026/04/21/549666/tmb-disciplines-doctors-ngumezi-crain-cases/
ziralien
There's a part of me that kind of can't blame the doctors at 100%. More like.. 40% on them. Cause I can't blame them for not wanting to lose their license to practice in the state they live in, or get sued by the state. ... still, that opens them up to being sued by the patients family (and rightfully so, though the families should target the *actual* root cause of the problem: The state, state law, and the fuckers who enact these laws).
FellaWithUmbrella
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631
”The number of women in Texas who died while pregnant, during labor or soon after childbirth skyrocketed following the state’s 2021 ban on abortion care — far outpacing a slower rise in maternal mortality across the nation.
From 2019 to 2022, the rate of maternal mortality cases in Texas rose by 56%, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period”
PhurbuMukpodom
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlMHBjeTV5bmYzemxzcmhvNTV6bHFwemdrMTFwbDRiNnh3YTRrOGR6NiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/44c11up6UfB80RmE2o/giphy.mp4
BearbaFett
The other scary thing islet news story title is the reference to “just 11%”… the richest country on earth should have a pregnancy mortality rate in crease or 0%, or better. Like the rate needs to only go down. Not up by “just 11%.”
elwaln8r
I don’t know much about statistics, but I wonder how much the %56 increase in Texas added to the %11 nationwide increase
Someshithead241
"Rose by 56% compared with just 11% nationwide" is a phrase that is tickling my misleading bullshit detector and brings two questions.
56% rise from what to what? Percentages are worthless without actual values.
11% nationwide, is that the total or the rise? Because if its rise, we still need the values, if its total its incredibly misleading because it tries to make you think the 56 rise is actually 56 total.
Someshithead241
I don't care if the message you are trying to push is good, because it is, but it doesn't matter. Intentionally misleading sources and statistics helps no one and weakens any arguments you present with it
FellaWithUmbrella
Can’t copy/paste the whole article because of the character limit. If you want to know more, there’s a link.
Someshithead241
I'm aware. But the point extends beyond just this issue in particular
JustaLawAbidingCitizen
That's a strange hill you've picked to die on.
Someshithead241
The hill of presenting good stats instead of just scary sounding percentages so that your argument is stronger? Why is that strange?
PhurbuMukpodom
LostCaterpillar
Nitpicking language like this is pointless if you're not even willing to read the linked article. Like, you don't even need to google it for yourself. All you had to do was click the link.
Someshithead241
The nitpicking comes from the use of the quote, and the use of percentages because they sound scarier.
JustaLawAbidingCitizen
Percentages mean something... You sound you want them to instead say the count out of 100k because then it sounds smaller.
Someshithead241
Percentages mean something when they have solid numbers behind them. Percentages alone are commonly used to make assumption based arguments.
TheFuckfaceWhisperer
Who gives a fuck what the actual numbers are. This is murder by policy. Even one is too many.
Someshithead241
Because when you are making a point of a massive increase, its important that it is actually a massive increase. If I say the rates of something have increased by 150%, that sounds scary.
Until you realise that its increased from 2, to 5. Just having percentages weakens the point and opens you up to that kind of dismissal or defense.
Because if they come around with the real numbers and they aren't to your expectations, you won't be ready to argue for it and will just have this emotional bull
JustaLawAbidingCitizen
Arguing that an increase of dead people from 2 to 5 and saying that's not a bad thing, isn't a fantastic argument. Three more people are still dead. And that isn't just three people. In Texas in 2019 there was 377,000 live births, with a maternal death rate of 16.7 per 100k, that means that 63 mothers died in child birth. In 2022 that increased to 26.052 per 100k, or 101.34 mothers dead in childbirth. That is still 56% more, 38 more families without a mother.
Someshithead241
Point to where I said that isn't a bad thing.
JustaLawAbidingCitizen
And guess what, that number continues to increase. In 2025 the death rate per 100k was 29.3. So 114.27 deaths. So another 13 families without a mother. More deaths without cause but for people being more concerned for an unborn life than an established one.
EnigmaticEmpress
I would love nothing more than for birthers to all die of pregnancy complications while turned away because 'the fetus matters more than you.'
CharlesMontgomeryBurns
Problem is a large amount of birthers are men who will never have to experience any of this.
Appollon
I mean, they realize the fetus will not live inside a dead organism? If they are sooo concerned about babies, why didn't they treat the vessel?
Jewdakris
I just want to wrap a baseball bat with barbed wire like negan and name it pregnancy complications. Let the birthers enjoy that
jayman0123
lightfoot2
They're ok with this. Their kids die to not having vitamin shots at birth and they're like "Oh it's GODS WILL, WE ARE SO BLESSED!"......
CookieMonstersCrumbs
I want to strangle every fucker who ever says that.
EnigmaticEmpress
Nah, when it's their own hides on the line, things are different.
"The only moral abortion is my abortion."
homoerection
Not all of them. A father that lost his daughter to measles said if he hadn’t to do over he still wouldn’t get her vaccinated. These people are dumb as fuck.
CookieMonstersCrumbs
If they're wealthy enough to hide it, they try. If they're the crazy fucked in the head, dyed in the wool crazy both sides and uses hardships for attention, they absolutely will 'god's will' their way through it. I have met too many people that do that.
lightfoot2
Oh yeah, I've told my story about my Baptist train companion that had her church fund an abortion for an 18 year old in the parish. See she wasn't too "bright" and the young preacher had a wife and kids and one thing led to another and.... it was decided that this was really the best course of action for all involved.....
Yeah
Musicosity
You want every pregnant mother to die of pregnancy complications....and have 300 upvotes. This place is so vile.
ArkoneAxon
It's not about the babies, or the mothers. It's about virtue signaling. On this website, in this place, being pro-choice is the majority opinion. So saying hateful but popular things gets you social approval.
I should add: I'm thoroughly pro-choice and feel that pro-lifers base their position on pseudoscience and religious beliefs. But I'm not going to use that as justification to be hateful.
Musicosity
Yeah, this place has certainly gone off the rails as of late. If you're not in blind, violent agreement with the masses you're vilified. It's almost as if the cult haters have become the cult.
phoenix0path
This fucker; literally making shit up to get mad about. You really like negative attention, eh?
Moriarte
They're operating under the reasonable understanding that "Birthers" means "Women who can/will give birth". Because the term's face value means "women" to anyone who has more than a 5th grade education.
If you can't see how that word can be misinterpreted then I don't know what to tell you.
phoenix0path
Because we all know that it means forced birth anti-choice shitheads.
Even you.
arandomfish
"Birthers" is short for "forced birthers" ie hardline anti abortion eople.
Musicosity
Oh, that clearly makes it okay.
ArchMagos
It does, actually. It's wishing that the consequences of one's beliefs fall upon the one holding those beliefs.
Musicosity
Just to be clear, every single pregnant woman who supports a certain belief should die in the same circumstances you deem equitable? That's okay? JFC
Moriarte
I mean, you can see how that term is very easily misinterpreted, right?
At face value, it means "women". So maybe we should be using the full term or a different term to avoid understandable confusion.
Elkarlo77
Birthers, poeple who putts Baby above mothers. They are killing women right now. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631 So whishing them the same fate they putt on others is not unreasonable. It's even Biblical as most of them defend their believe with it, it's fitting.
jayman0123
don't get too close the fire scarecrow, you might burn up.
modis
Not every mother, just the ones who place the heartbeat (important note! Not validity or chance of survival, just a heartbeat) of a fetus over the life and wellbeing of the expectant mother.
thedudeman519
That's not what they said, but Americans aren't known for their literacy.
Musicosity
That term has been reused to ad nauseum. I'm also not American, but pop off queen.
phoenix0path
Light bends around you, doesn't it?
Musicosity
Says the dummy