Employers do this to assess candidates' qualifications before asking about the anticipated pay scale in the event that a position becomes available, then they low ball the pay for that position.
people in south korea believe that if you sleep in a room with a fan on, it will blow all the oxygen out of the room and you'll suffocate. Korean fan death. Look it up. And you thought people in YOUR country were idiots.
From my understanding "fan death" is used in place of suicide, to avoid the social stigma associated with it; Johnny didn't off himself, he forgot to turn the fan off before he fell asleep.
Went to a "hiring event" one time. Like 200 folks there interviewing for jobs. After the first round of interviews the company (BNSF) does a Q&A session. Someone asks, "How many people are you actually hiring today?" One of the company guys actually sacks up and answers, "Five or six." You could *feel* the collective 'fuck you' from everyone there. Dozens of folks just got up and left, myself included.
Saw a good paying IT support position, it was also a short commute. Read the fine print..."up to 40/hr week, avg 25, no benefits or time off, temp position 4-7 months, part time manager rolls including training classes and teaching new enrollment about process and technology, creating documents of procedures and processes."... Screw that
That's exactly what they wanted to happen. The few remaining people at the end of the event were most likely the ones hired, because they were the most willing to be shit on and take it. I'd be willing to bet the position was the lowest paying and had the worst hours at the company.
Long, complicated hiring processes aren't really to weed out the best possible candidate. The whole point is to find the person most willing to put up with arbitrary bullshit.
Its insane but illegal for some jobs, especially government. It used to drive my friend insane, he would have a department head retiring with the assistant head having done an outstanding job for five years, covering holidays and illness, with clients and staff agreeing he was the perfect choice to take over. But, by law he had to advertise until they got a set number of applicants then interview a set percentage before giving the job to the guy everyone knew was going to get it from the start
My hospital is the same way. I was helping out in another department a while and they wanted to keep me there full time. But before that could happen, they had to list the position for 5 business days, even though they wouldn’t be considering anyone else. Maybe because we are non-profit?
This. Super common in government jobs. If you see a job listing with hyper-specific skills listed - it's often tailored to an internal hire, but they're forced to advertise the position. Stupid and annoying, but so was government work.
I worked in education. And we wanted to hire a former student of mine for a temporary replacement position (a year), as he was beside me the only person who knew the extremely complicated technical setup of a cinema room. Even if I had hired an expert, onboarding them would have taken half a year, which meant doing the job myself would have been less work than hiring an outsider. Many internal hires have reasons.
I worked for the State of Washington as a contractor back in the '80s. When the time came that they wanted to hire me full time, I was the beneficiary of one of these ploys. They wrote the job posting so excruciatingly tailored to my qualifications that no one on Earth besides myself could have filled the position.
This can happen in the corporate world too. Sometimes jobs at a certain level are advertised outside the company even if they already have someone in line to backfill the position. Even within the company itself, they’ll interview several internal candidates even though they already know who’s going to be placed in the role. That’s happened to my wife several times. She knew in advance and just used it as a networking opportunity with other department leaders.
Had a job i applied for, got to the interview and they mentioned the positions already been filled but they would keep me in mind for future spots. Week later it was posted again and they didnt reach out, had to be a fake position
It is. Companies will actively run skeleton crews to maintian tax breaks, and reassure their staff they are "looking" to for new staff. Source: I was told to do this at other companies I've worked for while being in management
I worked for a company that went public and I had no idea how dumb retail investors were. There was a brief period between when we went public and when we're pretty sure the outside marketing firm hired bot farms to promote us when there were real people making comments like this. My favorite was the announcement of "Strategic Partnerships". Neither party was actually going to do anything, but saying they were boosted the stock at both companies.
Thanks for the link, despite the paywall. So what you’re saying is that roughly 3 in 4 are legit then. But I suppose it’s easier for people to assume every rejection is a fake posting.
~30% of jobs posted are never hired. The reasons vary, from investor fraud ("we're totally hiring, invest in us!"), to an already chosen internal candidate, to HR people literally posting jobs as make-work for themselves to justify their salary. But nearly 1 out of every 3 jobs that are posted are fake today, and your unawareness of that is your own issue kiddo. https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/one-quarter-of-jobs-posted-online-are-fake-ghost-jobs-study/496683
That internal candidate is still getting a job, it isn’t fake. And hell, you’re telling me 70% of the rest isn’t fake? But I do appreciate an actual link though.
...But the job posting is still fake because it was already given to someone else. Like...if your company posted an ad for your job, exactly, and then didn't hire anyone because you were already in the job would you say that was a real job posting because someone ended up doing it or would you acknowledge that the posting was fake?
If you’re mad about internal jobs being posting publicly when they’re predetermined, then you likely have a problem with local or mandated employments laws. It is what it is.
The posting needs to be made by law. Internal jobs still need a req to be submitted either way. At end of day was the posting indicative of an open position? Yes. Was the posting likely impossible to obtain externally?
Ok. You're just being willfully dickish I guess. The person who is desperately searching for a job to feed their family and saw a posting that was made up doesn't matter at all to you, because "fuck you, got mine" huh. Got it. No reason to listen to anything more, blocking. Have a nice day.
Munchman347
HR, 'We deserve a raise, we've interviewed over 500 people this month!'... 🤑
Racealistic
Damn even the fan thats
eastend666
I had a friend who would wait a month between interviewing the same person for a job, maybe 3 interviews. I lost all respect for her after that.
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valen00
Replace HR with AI, they both suck but at least the drone that fires you will *actually* be a drone.
MrGhostbuster
You're blaming the wrong people. Don't blame HR, blame the executives and the politicians.
ILoveThiPlatform
My company just posted a job for support staff the same day that he told me we would probably go with someone internal.
So many jobs require networking and having an “in” somewhere.
DaffydeDick
Employers do this to assess candidates' qualifications before asking about the anticipated pay scale in the event that a position becomes available, then they low ball the pay for that position.
thatwoodguy
Pro tip that's a make work project for middle management you don't have enough to do
Peden1
HR job security is a steady stream of employees.
mcodger
And their info.
veronicablood
people in south korea believe that if you sleep in a room with a fan on, it will blow all the oxygen out of the room and you'll suffocate. Korean fan death. Look it up. And you thought people in YOUR country were idiots.
Harbltron
From my understanding "fan death" is used in place of suicide, to avoid the social stigma associated with it; Johnny didn't off himself, he forgot to turn the fan off before he fell asleep.
veronicablood
there's a wikipedia page.
Targe0
RainierCamino
Went to a "hiring event" one time. Like 200 folks there interviewing for jobs. After the first round of interviews the company (BNSF) does a Q&A session. Someone asks, "How many people are you actually hiring today?" One of the company guys actually sacks up and answers, "Five or six." You could *feel* the collective 'fuck you' from everyone there. Dozens of folks just got up and left, myself included.
Canigetbannedagain2
Saw a good paying IT support position, it was also a short commute. Read the fine print..."up to 40/hr week, avg 25, no benefits or time off, temp position 4-7 months, part time manager rolls including training classes and teaching new enrollment about process and technology, creating documents of procedures and processes."... Screw that
AyatollahBahloni
Plot twist: the guy who sacked up was immediately fired.
algoritham
"We're hiring for another position now. It just opened up."
SignedEpsteinsMother
That's exactly what they wanted to happen. The few remaining people at the end of the event were most likely the ones hired, because they were the most willing to be shit on and take it. I'd be willing to bet the position was the lowest paying and had the worst hours at the company.
RainierCamino
Lowest paying but still decent paying. It was railroad work. But you were definitely gonna be working shit hours for a long time after you started.
Shaodyn
Long, complicated hiring processes aren't really to weed out the best possible candidate. The whole point is to find the person most willing to put up with arbitrary bullshit.
Shaodyn
So, when the job involves all kinds of arbitrary bullshit, they don't complain because it doesn't hit their personal threshold for that kind of thing.
marthafarquar
Its insane but illegal for some jobs, especially government. It used to drive my friend insane, he would have a department head retiring with the assistant head having done an outstanding job for five years, covering holidays and illness, with clients and staff agreeing he was the perfect choice to take over. But, by law he had to advertise until they got a set number of applicants then interview a set percentage before giving the job to the guy everyone knew was going to get it from the start
NotRustyShackleford
My hospital is the same way. I was helping out in another department a while and they wanted to keep me there full time. But before that could happen, they had to list the position for 5 business days, even though they wouldn’t be considering anyone else. Maybe because we are non-profit?
Saeraphym
The municipality I am in allows us to make a job posting internal only and can go public if we don't find a candidate.
evilspock
This. Super common in government jobs. If you see a job listing with hyper-specific skills listed - it's often tailored to an internal hire, but they're forced to advertise the position. Stupid and annoying, but so was government work.
forelle
I worked in education. And we wanted to hire a former student of mine for a temporary replacement position (a year), as he was beside me the only person who knew the extremely complicated technical setup of a cinema room. Even if I had hired an expert, onboarding them would have taken half a year, which meant doing the job myself would have been less work than hiring an outsider. Many internal hires have reasons.
AyatollahBahloni
I worked for the State of Washington as a contractor back in the '80s. When the time came that they wanted to hire me full time, I was the beneficiary of one of these ploys. They wrote the job posting so excruciatingly tailored to my qualifications that no one on Earth besides myself could have filled the position.
keys79
This can happen in the corporate world too. Sometimes jobs at a certain level are advertised outside the company even if they already have someone in line to backfill the position. Even within the company itself, they’ll interview several internal candidates even though they already know who’s going to be placed in the role. That’s happened to my wife several times. She knew in advance and just used it as a networking opportunity with other department leaders.
drpain522
Had a job i applied for, got to the interview and they mentioned the positions already been filled but they would keep me in mind for future spots. Week later it was posted again and they didnt reach out, had to be a fake position
southflhitnrun
The Corporate version of Dating around without committing.
OutlawGerman
It is. Companies will actively run skeleton crews to maintian tax breaks, and reassure their staff they are "looking" to for new staff. Source: I was told to do this at other companies I've worked for while being in management
georgejimmydoodle
Posting fake job openings is also to make investors think the company is expanding.
Omicron416
You spelled "stock speculators" wrong.
SarcasticComment
and justify getting foreign visa holders to pay less. we just can't find a developer with 10 years experience willing to work for 55K
SOLARvsFACISM
I worked for a company that went public and I had no idea how dumb retail investors were. There was a brief period between when we went public and when we're pretty sure the outside marketing firm hired bot farms to promote us when there were real people making comments like this. My favorite was the announcement of "Strategic Partnerships". Neither party was actually going to do anything, but saying they were boosted the stock at both companies.
NotThatPrivate
It also makes workers less likely to demand fair wages or benefits because they can be quickly 'replaced'
KingKrabvoldIV
It was available, you just didn’t get it. Must be a conspiracy.
Arcadian1
So you aren't aware of how many job positions are posted with no intention of being filled. Brilliant.
KingKrabvoldIV
Then show me. How many are there, and how does that compare to overall job posting as a percentage?
Syovere
According to a Wall Street Journal article, 22%. https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/ghost-jobs-2c0dcd4e
KingKrabvoldIV
Thanks for the link, despite the paywall. So what you’re saying is that roughly 3 in 4 are legit then. But I suppose it’s easier for people to assume every rejection is a fake posting.
Syovere
Nearly one in four job postings is bullshit.
Do you know how many jobs people have to apply for to get hired in this market?
We are all, in fact, running into this shit. Sticking your thumbs in your ears going LALALALA IT'S NOT HAPPENING isn't changing that
Jarjarthejedi
~30% of jobs posted are never hired. The reasons vary, from investor fraud ("we're totally hiring, invest in us!"), to an already chosen internal candidate, to HR people literally posting jobs as make-work for themselves to justify their salary. But nearly 1 out of every 3 jobs that are posted are fake today, and your unawareness of that is your own issue kiddo. https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/one-quarter-of-jobs-posted-online-are-fake-ghost-jobs-study/496683
KingKrabvoldIV
That internal candidate is still getting a job, it isn’t fake. And hell, you’re telling me 70% of the rest isn’t fake? But I do appreciate an actual link though.
Jarjarthejedi
...But the job posting is still fake because it was already given to someone else. Like...if your company posted an ad for your job, exactly, and then didn't hire anyone because you were already in the job would you say that was a real job posting because someone ended up doing it or would you acknowledge that the posting was fake?
KingKrabvoldIV
If you’re mad about internal jobs being posting publicly when they’re predetermined, then you likely have a problem with local or mandated employments laws. It is what it is.
KingKrabvoldIV
The posting needs to be made by law. Internal jobs still need a req to be submitted either way. At end of day was the posting indicative of an open position? Yes. Was the posting likely impossible to obtain externally?
Either way someone likely earned that job.
Jarjarthejedi
Ok. You're just being willfully dickish I guess. The person who is desperately searching for a job to feed their family and saw a posting that was made up doesn't matter at all to you, because "fuck you, got mine" huh. Got it. No reason to listen to anything more, blocking. Have a nice day.