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This needs to be on the front page of every news paper (as well as Net neutrality) :(
Jul 16, 2017 1:39 AM
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This needs to be on the front page of every news paper (as well as Net neutrality) :(
adamtilbury99
They clearly don't give 2 fucks so just end their lives and keep it protected
Snowblind176
As a species, we are going to destroy ourselves
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
If we could do that without fucking over every other living thing on the planet that would be great.
ShaneArg
It's probably because that's a huge part of their income and they don't want to lose it.
KrunkleStan
"Environmentalists are concerned [logging and mining] "could" lead to further deforestation." Amazing.
wafflestheprince
They gotta pay for their Olympic debt some how since they royally screwed it up.
llGreenll
Ah but you forget pornhub plants a tree for every 10 minutes watched, I think the solution is right in front of us
Bob64
VIAI
d0o0o0d
ISayFuckAllTheTime
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder27/58461027.jpg
Tr1gg3rH4ppy
If this is true they better start cutting more down to make room, I've already got my own rainforest started here.
Atomsk
People are just so eager to justify something questionable like porn. Pornhub knows this, exploits this and you all fall for it..
Zardua
I'm sorry, but uhhh what. Are you serious, or just making fun?
definitelynotawolf
What?
Whatyouregonnawannado
What? No bro, firstly, there's nothing wrong with watching porn, secondly, noone needs a reason lol
papalongshlong
Pornhub isn't exploiting shit off of me, you're making sound like I'm NOT gonna wack it if they don't plant those trees.
DickPicEnthusiast
Well, it's not really protected then, IS IT???
LizardEnterprises
It's currently, legally protected, but won't be under these new rules. You're aware change over time is a thing, right?
thatsbadmmkay
Yall know the great barrier reef is dying and beyond saving too.
trinxter
which is one of a kind
SIRTOXIC13
For context: When a country needs lumber to build things, and their options are limited due to geography, they will use what is available.
SIRTOXIC13
They have trees to make lumber. Yes, USA has tons of lumber that is not rainforest, but how hard and expensive is it to get it to Brazil?
SIRTOXIC13
They don't want to lose all the rainforest, but they are also not a country of wild tribes content with their current lives.
Crimsonflute
F@$k you who-ever-decided-this-in-Brazil!
Gluntch
Can we just give brazil some damn money so they don't need to sell earth
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
brazil has money, it's just all spent on lining rich people's pockets - much like in most western countries, but to a much higher degree.
opkraut
If we have money to spare, something fucky is going on. Our Gov't already cut a lot of funding for environmental stuff
DLTBGYDCU
Give them all of your $ first, then we'll follow your lead.
Ripplingtwinkie
People do it illegally already. They're merely creating a counter force that is legal
LearningOnImgur
But, just like any other law, it kind of opens the flood gates for "just a little bit more this time" until it's all gone
ThePirateShpee
We brazillians were blessed with the Amazon, and then, being the stupid shitheads we are, proceeded to destroy it.
humaneffigy
Why would anyone be surprised that a struggling country will do anything for a buck?
bellaluna
STOP EATING AVOCADOS! They're stripping these forests to make room for more avocado farms and the pesticides are making people sick.
MidiArbite
Avocado trees still process some CO2, though not as much as a massive tree, and the trucks to cart them off the farm also push the balance.
MyName4Wine
Corn, it's all corn fields these days.
Jaboticaba
I though it was animal agriculture that was the prime driver of rainforest loss
bellaluna
Probably. But Brazil is currently in a frenzy to expand their avocado industry and push the govt to cut this particular rainforest by 27%.
brennousesmemewrong
As a brazzilian, that's bullshit, noone cares about avocatos here! We really don't. For real, and they are not expensive!
Thingsendinginitties
bellaluna
YOUR FACE!
TubbzMcgee
Ok but I'm not giving up my Mcnuggets
bellaluna
You do you, Tubbz.
TubbzMcgee
I did that twice already today...I don't know if I can handle a third time but I'll give it a shot.
bellaluna
Somebody is very much against you doing you, as we've all been downvoted. Clearly, you should NOT do you. Maybe do Janet, she seems nice.
dandelionwino
In Brazil it's most often soybeans, used as cattle feed. I think you are making up the avocados thing or are repeating misinformation.
joshdavis891
I dont see the problem with replacing useless trees for trees that have fruit for us people to eat. do avocado trees hurt the environment?
pocushocus
Humans need to decide if we want to decrease our impact on the earth or just go balls out cuz we're gonna die anyways.
Comet260
No! We don't need to save the planet cuz JEEZUS is coming back! At least that's what US Congress says! /s
Jaboticaba
something something leave it better than you found it
MrJimmyRustles
Irony of being outraged by deforestation while demanding that newspapers print a front page story about it. @OP
dandelionwino
90% of all newsprint in the U.S. is post consumer recycling. Just sayin'.
ford5of5
Yes but that's recycled material that could be put to better use elsewhere.
dersaPositivityRunner
Brazil decides that their failing economy was more important than the first worlds opinion of rare species
NotFarEnough
Environmental exploitation doesn't fix ailing economies. The Amazon is the world's most biodiverse ecosystem and essential in many ways
LearningOnImgur
True but let's not pretend that a few dozen soybean farms are going to cure the fucked up bank account that is brasil
analnipple666
This
Strasburg6592
And when the resources are gone, then what?
RatoMolhado
Like oil? Like coal?
PeteTusk
I think it's also more important that the corrupt regime and profiteers behind them in Brazil.
LizardEnterprises
And they're right. People starving today are more important than hypothetical biodiversity catalogs.
SIRTOXIC13
If the first world's opinion of rare species is so important, the first world can pay the amount of money that Brazilians are cutting down.
xDiro
That's the 'saddest' thing because that's the only thing that affects people on a international scale. Borderline slavery is legal here now.
Gabble1
Dude What
RatoMolhado
Don't worry buddy, just Brazilian shit it won't affect first world.
juicygingrr
Huh??? Details please....
xDiro
As the dude above me mentioned, there has been a reform on the laws os labor, making them more "flexible". The idea is that you have (1/?)
xDiro
more freedom to negotiate your working conditions with you boss. The thing is along side this, now is legal to outsource most jobs (?)
xDiro
Which means by "you can negotiate with your boss" they actually mean "my way of the highway" (3/?)
xDiro
(or* the highway) That is not to say bosses can outsource most legal labor to avoid paying insurance, vacations and many other rights. (4/4)
YallDunGoofed
He's just being overdramatic about the labor reform, but in truth slavery always existed in Brazil the boia-frias are a perfect proof of dat
bobbylan1955
Greed. The government tool of change. We lose.
desudere420
dEeP
Insomnia297
I don't think there's a nation in the world that wouldn't do the same. It seems unfair to be unallowed to utilize one's own land to develop.
Insomnia297
That said, this is a huge step back for the combatting of global warming and the preservation of exotic species.
CatchyUsername123
How dare those greedy farmers want to plant food for us to eat those monsters
NM156
Gotta pay for those Olympic games somehow. This is why they need countries with robust economies and not just those that bribe the IOC
Gmayor61
IIRC Brazil has some serious money problems and they can't even print passports/ID cards. Not saying this is an excuse though.
lowkeybrotherofthor
Yet some of the folks in the US want more government in their lives.
GiantRobotsRule
It'd be stupid reject all reforms under the umbrella excuse that its "government". Have to consider each proposal on its own merits.
forsete769
There are equally valid points on both sides of the more/less govt. debate. Before that you need a govt. that actually cares about the ppl.
Bot17629A98001
As a Canadian Brazilian I'm not surprised but am very saddened
Noooodles
It's too easy to say they're greedy when you're getting regular meals, sitting behind a computer, in an air-conditioned house.
GiantRobotsRule
Without government, no land would be protected in the first place.
igivetheinternets
People can't protect their own land? The idea that the state owns all land by default is a hold over from feudal times.
GiantRobotsRule
Environmental safeguards exist to protect the health & safety of people and the ecosystems we live in, not because of feudalism waybackwhen.
livinglife9009
I say we riot.
Studoku
I'm game.
Themightystef
Rabble! Rabble rabble!
fhatpotatou
Thank you for not calling it a protest despite the fact that people are clearly burning and killing things
RatoMolhado
https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/thumb/2/2b/How_to_Loot_Brazil.png/250px-How_to_Loot_Brazil.png
Uhxohr
Easy to blame the government. We all need that space to grow food for our food, and noone want to change their food, so we all contribute.
RatoMolhado
It's worse when you cut trees to grow food for someone else food: Argentinian soy beans for Chinese porks.
NotFarEnough
We already have space and resources to grow food. And quite a few people have started making lifestyle changes for environmental reasons
Uhxohr
Isn't it a bit daring to say we have enough space and resource for food considering the number of people either starving or malnourished 1/
Uhxohr
The day they have the opportunity to eat meals as rich as we do, no, there definitely won't be enough space. We'd need 1/2 more planets 2/2
NotFarEnough
You're correct that there are different environmental footprints. But there are ways we can produce food more efficiently and responsibly
Uhxohr
Yes, but the majority of people blaming the gvt here aren't willing/ready to change their habits. At some point we'll have no choice anyway.
Tr1gg3rH4ppy
It's easy to say this when we live in first world countries, not so much for people living in poverty that can't afford 2 b responsible.
IronManButWithCaesium
Here's the thing. You can't tell another country not to plunder its natural resources for profit after your country did the same.
HighPriestOfCera
Well considering I took no part in any of those decisions and support none of them. I will continue to bitch
heartlessninja6
The US actually has MORE trees than before.
Jaboticaba
Sure you can. Learn from our mistakes, because we all know better now. We have information that we didn't before.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
I can, actually, because fuck people. The world has little enough left without some other cunt raping the land for more. I don't support
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
what my country did, why the shit do I have to support this?
thevortexmaster
Im assuming the country you're referring to plunders other countries natural resources
Strostkovy
Individuals can though
EpikMogul
But you can attempt to help them not make rhe same mistakes you made
StiIIalivelhope
"the"
IronManButWithCaesium
Sure, but don't be surprised when they tell you to go fuck yourself.
EpikMogul
True
Hyrkitekite
"All of us countries who have got rich off exploiting the hell out of natural resources want this one country to be poor and not 1/2"
Jaboticaba
We know better now. We have the tools to develop in a different manner than pure exploitation. They don't have to take the same path we did
LizardEnterprises
Those paths aren't nearly as fast or effective. If we're not going to offer these countries a leg up, we shouldn't expect them to take it.
GiantBlueSpaceship
Exactly. If people want other nations to take a more expensive path then they have to foot the bill. Or else they can fuck off.
LizardEnterprises
For the record, this is one of the things the Paris Climate Accord addresses. Good thing we elected the candidate who supported it, right?
LizardEnterprises
.......... right?
Hyrkitekite
"yet noone will offer a viable alternative to alleviate their crushing poverty." 2/2
LearningOnImgur
I wonder if the land is being actioned off. If it is I'll bet a wealthy govt. Could just buy it and make it a national park or whatever
opkraut
Exactly. This applies to rural US too. The UP has a ton of resources, but it's dirt poor. There's a reason why rural areas voted Trump
d0o0o0d
Historically, the most effective way to convince people that the environment is important and worth preserving is to make them prosperous.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
brazil is not a country without means to combat poverty. outside help wouldn't help much, they need to find an effective way to combat >
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> their rampant corruption.
TerribleAwful
27yoUGLYvirgin
I thought that was mogli and balu and was a bit weirded out.
80percentlegs
SweetKnightmare87
Yay for Ferngully!
NurseMary
Ferngully! Between this movie and Stellaluna I developed a serious love for bats early in life. And since mosquitoes enjoy me, always will
flyingcatparade
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Steelhart
Hooray! Someone else that wasn't just influenced by the Batman.
dudeyeadudeuhwhateverdudebro
Me 120 mosquitos kills , mosquitos 0 kills.
RatoMolhado
They take the long, scenery road. If you're from some semi tropical place, you may have malaria, zyka, chikungunha, yellow fever...
andrewpascoe
I grew up on ferngully still have the vhs????
celestedrake
I grew up on ferngully too, but we donated our vhs tapes away a long time ago...when the library still had a collection...
GTA3Fan
Because of all of this, my goal tomorrow is to find and show this to my wife. She has never heard of it. :/ Poor, poor, woman.
ThaEnder
It's on Netflix.
DetectiveSherlockHolmes
I only found out 3 weeks ago that they made a second one
Thethingfromtheshadows
They did? Is it any good?
PenisShapedPoops
I think they go to the people world and it just didn't have the same spirit.
wrekkaflair
Yeah, and there was some "saving an orphan from working in the circus" thing too. Worth a watch for nostalgia's sake
LordOfThePenguin
Not particularly. One of those straight to video sequels
DetectiveSherlockHolmes
Not as good as the first, but I would give it a watch for childhoods sake
nohappydance
For perspective, is just a bit under the size of Rhode Island. Or just a bit bigger than entire Yosemite National Park.
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Tibbus
or like 5x New York Cities
ArtOfKarolMichalec
Yeah but its home to countless beings
MerToo
yeah the whole 860000 acres is deliberately scary. It's an area about 36 miles square.
lmagine
And not even a fraction of the entire rainforest.
UnluckyLunkhead
Or a diarrhoea-load of bananas.
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trinxter
you have a slipped decimal. it is around 2400 RI in one Brazillion.
Naemless
I didn't realize Yosemite was smaller than Rhode Island.
ISayFuckAllTheTime
Hey look! Rhode fucking Island has finally found it's purpose, as a measurement!
sillybananas
yeah but if you've been to Yosemite... this makes it seem worse.
ttra
You are right. BTW, Wolfram Alpha gives nice info http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=860%2C000+acres
Kimberoo
A friend was told that if we wanted to protect a forest we should plant Kansas.
AIRBORNEALLTHEWAY
Please do, I can see Colorado from Columbus and the dirt wind hurts my face.
OGTubix
As a finnish person that gives me no perspective what so ever :(
d0o0o0d
An area roughly nine-tenths of one percent of the size of Finland, if I divided correctly.
SometimesIKnowStuff
So 0,9%
ISayFuckAllTheTime
.0632% of the Amazon rainforest. It would take almost twice that much to make 1%. It'd be like giving up 145 breaths per day.
Counterfit
Quit using my state as a measurement!
YouThinkThatsBad
Rhode Island is a great measuring tool for both forests and giant icebergs!
ISayFuckAllTheTime
What the fuck else can it be used for?
ThatMomentWhenImgurJokesAreOnlyFunnyToImgurians
and the people
koalatyassurance
Not our fault it's so convenient. I ate about 2 Rhode Islands of pizza last year.
GravyTrainOnBiscuitWheels
Which isn't much in the grand scheme of things, when you consider the GDP and corruption I'm surprised it isn't worse...
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
That isn't the size of the oil spill
Jaboticaba
Think of a ratchet. It tightens incrementally but never gives up ground that it's taken. This is just today's news. Its not going to stop.
mungtongue
Understood fact, but you dont want this to become a trend, snowball downhill idea.
OhKingKoopa
Thats a huge chunk of land and a huge disturbance to wildlife
NotMyUsualOnlineName
And the environment, considering how much oxygen the rain forest produces.
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ZuIthar
Amusingly it's not as much as you would think it should.
NotFarEnough
IIRC oceanic life contributes more O2. But rainforests help sequester carbon, have bioprospecting value, and stabilize local climates, etc
NotFarEnough
Rainforests provide even more significant ecosystem services than just oxygen production
Jaboticaba
We use compounds in medicine that are discovered in the rainforest. Theres a treasure trove of biodiversity that we are slashing and burning
dfriend180
Brazil was handed a bill of 12 billion dollars for hosting the Olympics. Their government is Corrupt in so many ways. It's a shame
trinxter
I love it when an overly optimistic country says "yeah, sure, we can host the Olympics." Every time, it is a mistake.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
i think it's more important that the olympic commitee is dumb/corrupt enough to agree.
SerialChillinSpree
A small handful make out like bandits from the population saddled with the expense. It's lovely for the officials/contractors who got jobs
Comet260
Aren't the Olympics themselves crooked as shit?
blackholevoid10011
Yeah and not many tourist came to visit. Zika virus + thugs would do that.
VirginAmericaInFlightSeatToSeatChatSystem
Which is why most of us never wanted it anyways. I'd rather all that money was spent on education or something actually useful.
dfriend180
Agreed.
Dopplerfart
The truth for true Brazilians, we never wanted to host the WC and Olympics, while public security, health, education goes down to the drain
Dopplerfart
*go
LizardEnterprises
1/2 I would just like to take a moment to send a hearty "fuck you" to everyone sitting in massively carbon-polluting 1st world countries,
LizardEnterprises
2/2 who has the gall to criticize Brazil for making the thing we totally fucked up slightly worse. Fuck you, you massive fucking hypocrites
NotFarEnough
It's not just global warming though–the Amazon rainforest is the most biodiverse ecosystem on the planet
LizardEnterprises
1/2 ....So? Biodiversity is a neat concept in the abstract, but many of the species that make up the diversity of the Amazon are arthropods
LizardEnterprises
2/2 competing for the same niche. Losing a few isn't the end of the world. They're not mangroves, they're redundant bugs.
NotFarEnough
Except you're not just losing a few 'redundant bugs' here, that's quite a way to downplay biodiversity loss
RatoMolhado
Global warming will affect Amazon rainforest, through desertification and will affect other ecosystems equally important.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Yeah, I can not support the bullshit in my country while still saying fuck you to brazil.
LizardEnterprises
Yeah, how dare those people try to raise themselves up out of poverty and establish a first-world economy and standard of living!
LizardEnterprises
How dare they consume a slightly larger fraction of the resources Americans consume per person!
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
You think I approve of how wasteful americans are? You think me not wanting the most biodiverse rainforest on the planet to get further
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
degraded means Im incapable of looking at how much of a drain america is on the world?
donglover33
That is less than .05% of Brazil's total land area, I googled it. Is it really the SADDEST THING? No one cares about poor people.
Doctadeth
Illegal logging will still continue, The amazon loses about three football fields worth of trees...every single DAY.
Doctadeth
Essentially the lungs of the world are slowly getting vivisected and destroyed.
analnipple666
Of course we care about poor people but if the worst-off would stop having 5,6,7 kids until their situation improves, that would help too.
NotFarEnough
Many care about the impoverished, but reckless environmental exploitation does not fix poverty–look at deforested nations like Haiti
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Fuck people. The world could do with a few billion less.
Netorwu
It's not about Brazil's area, it's about the brazilian FOREST area that matters.
donglover33
So what you're all saying is numbers mean nothing. Gotcha!
notme222
It's worth noting that there's a lot of illegal cutting in the Amazon, which Brazil doesn't have money to stop. This rule would auction
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
That's awesome!All I need to do to get away with a crime is do it a lot and then they'll give up and reclassify it? Donut store here I come
notme222
Pretty much. Prohibition, marijuana, prostitution in a lot of places...
britugal
It does have money, but doesn't have willing
flyinggnocchi
Buy it, Elon!
TheWetLustyArgonianMaidRIP
Ol' Musky must save the forest!
Meph1stopheles
ForestX?
OneNeoEon
Elon's Great Big Wood Space. Would you like to visit Elon's Wood Place?
ZhouYahui
Norway donated 1 million dollars to protect the rainforest. Where the hell did the money go?
Bystandr
They should be buying the land and putting the 1Bn into enforcement of keeping it.
LordCastellanCreedtheSupremeCommanderofCadia
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/norway-issues-1bn-threat-brazil-rising-amazon-destruction
Netorwu
We (brazilians) are asking the same question also to every single cent we waste on taxes.
InsideTheRain
*1 billion. The payment was made over several years, and things have gotten better, it's just that the positive results doesn't make good pr
InsideTheRain
Wth am I talking about? It doesn't make good pr? I meant to say it doesn't bring in the money for newspapers and such.
ZhouYahui
Ok, so some are saying that the money that Norway donated got refunded. Where did the money from the refund go? The norwegian people was the
ZhouYahui
Ones that donated the money. Should they not get the money back?
ashmenon
"where did all the money go" is the translation of the words on the Brazilian flag.
notme222
off regional rights for 30 years in an area that has had illegal problems, and use some of the money to pay 150 new officials to enforce.
SpeakingAsTheDevilsAdvocate
The thing with being flat fucking broke is that you tend to be kinda desperate for money
snivels
Corrupt officials?
TheInternetShouldHaveAClosingTimeSoICouldSleep
Or it could just double the amount of deforestation with a vail of transparency.
NotGarrusVakarian
Have some optimism friend, it makes life a little better
LurkingAtTheOffice
Doesn't the rainforest produce almost all the worlds oxygen?
notme222
28%. 70% comes from the ocean. 2% from everything else. So it's "almost all" excluding the ocean.
Aranyszin
That seems like an anti-combo / anti-pattern to me.
LokiShade
Whenever "environmentalists" is used it seems to usually mean anti-capitalists instead.
notme222
Often. There's a temptation to see a problem and think "if I ran everything I could fix this". But their concern is valid enough.
LokiShade
Their concern stems from a seething rage directed at the rich and less to do with plants and animals as they would have people think. IMO.
RisingPhoenix92
You are so right lets talk to the pesticide, oil, lead, and asbestos industry for their honest opinions. There is a right and wrong way.
mynameisbarryallenandiamthefastestmanalive
I think it probably varies more than you might think.
RisingPhoenix92
This seems like a middle ground but unless it has sustainable practices built in its just more of the same kicking the can down the road
underlord2132
Betcha the illegal logging will continue with absolutely no holdups. I doubt any of the money will go outside of a few peoples pockets.
leodavinci1
You a Brazilian?
IHaveAListOfCringyPeople
i think he is just 1
RaynWisp
Thing is, that "sounds" legit on the surface, but with the corruption in Brazil I sincerely doubt that's how it will play out over 30 years.
leechdemon
I mean, if they're cutting down the trees either way, at least the country gets a little money for it? I guess?
vuickb6
This xEleventybillion
PenguinsAreJustPandaChicken
I'm from India and that is a legit number. Just over the threshold for one to be scared of corruption.
notme222
That's a legit concern. Also since it's only a 30 year lease they're worried loggers may not bother to replant.
TurboTaco92
It's either log it illegally for free or log it for taxes. Either way see ya trees.
Strostkovy
So like how they allow hunting of animals in some areas and use the money to protect all of the other animals?
Goldcart
I still think they should use the money to protect the same animals, instead. Make it a 3-way battle royale.
MichaeIScott
The reason they can hunt them is because they have a large population.. they don't need protection.
zeroversion
It does seem to work for conservation against poaching in Africa. Scary though if this goes wrong or corrupt somehow.
Freshfunction
Yeah with trees! It worked in Africa. Let that fat rich idiot shoot a lion but charge him big save four lions and pay people to protect them
Illthinkofausernamelater
And moist of the hunted animals are hand picked by locals as being extra aggressive and problematic.
ExtraaUpvote
I did not know any of that
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estavali
Perhaps one day, the trees had reached out to to a G-man and said, "We hunger and would like to offer you a mutually beneficial proposal..."
rabidkitty4
"It's coming right for us!"
PornhubsFirstTree
It wasn't coming right for us!
mzmzpants
"where did bob go?!?"
TheOneTrueRing
That would make either an amazing short film or a great south park episode
Riggitydyrekt
Seems unfair to deny the Brazilian people access to their own natural resources.
NotFarEnough
Seems unfair to continue exploiting the most biodiverse ecosystem on the planet for the sake of a few bucks in the short term
Riggitydyrekt
It's trillions of dollars in development. Timber for houses/ag to feed people/minerals to sell. It's the difference between 1st/3rd world
NotFarEnough
Additionally, it's not the difference between 1st/3rd world when the economic issues are caused by something more systemic (1/2)
NotFarEnough
Reckless environmental exploitation doesn't fix things like that and often just makes it worse–look at Haiti, for example
NotFarEnough
You could make the claim that there's as much long-term economic benefit in preserving it too.
Riggitydyrekt
No you can't. Not to the people of Brazil. Maybe America has. In what way is leaving yourself undeveloped as economic as development?
NotFarEnough
Long term, yes you can. What happens when the forest is gone? You lose all of its ecosystem services and much more–that has a tangible value
Strasburg6592
Ever read up on the history of Rapa Nui, aka Easter Island?
Riggitydyrekt
Yes I'm sure that one of the largest countries in the world practicing modern agriculture, and replanting trees is *just* like easter island
PeteTusk
You can't re-plant Amazon rainforest after destroying it, especially if you burn it and make low-grade cattle pasture, which is what they do
dandelionwino
Those people still had the right to destroy themselves.
Strasburg6592
Sucks to be the children born into that wasteland, though.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
They had the right to destroy themselves. Not every living thing around them. Humans aren't special, we don't get to put ourselves above
dandelionwino
I agree, but the issue the other commenter and I were discussing is the right of another country to stop them, which we don't have.
NotFarEnough
It's a damn shame that there are still so many self-centered people that don't value environmental stewardship... :/
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
everything else.
charondaboatman
That's equal to 1340 square miles. Out of 2.2 Million square miles. That's equal to .06 %. Six one hundredths of one percent. Just 1/2
DLTBGYDCU
The Amazon is huge. It will grow back.
dandelionwino
Grow back into where? The land is used after the trees are cleared. The forest can't return to cultivated farmland.
andyskeels
0.6% of the world population is a half million people.
charondaboatman
Not .6%. .06%.
andyskeels
Written incorrectly but math checks out.
charondaboatman
no it doesn't. 500k of 7 billion is .007 %
andyskeels
Check again.
weirdipedia
Twice the size of Houston, or about 4/5ths of Rhode Island
gimmeachurro
It's still a huge impact
Riyakou
True, but if they succeed in taking that much, they will want to take more. Eventually, the entire rainforest will be gone.
wackywoohoopizzaman
That's when people who make these decisions start to justify their actions. "Just a few thousand, not a few million acres"
HULKSMASHMOUTH
So a square 36 miles by 36 miles? I can live with that.
FlyingSeaMan509
Thanks for not being a tree hugger
HULKSMASHMOUTH
Thank you for being a friend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNEgCKzves
TheRunawayFound
The size of the forest isn't really the point. What are the net emissions from this policy?
DownvotesAreFun
How many square kilometres is that?
TeammateAssist
That's always how it all starts. It's small. It's always just small.
MagicSquid
https://media.tenor.com/images/9867b1fa3ac337972f761e313a177609/tenor.gif
PeteTusk
A long long time ago it started. Brazils' destruction of the rainforest for poor cattle pasture was in full swing in the 1980s... :-(
DLTBGYDCU
It will grow back. Get down there and help them re-plant the forest.
PeteTusk
Except what Brazil tends to do is burn it, which with that kind of forest leaves barren soil that doesn't grow back. And extinct species...
DLTBGYDCU
Know your history. The natives have burned the jungle for centuries. The charcoal improves the soil. The research & documentation is in a
PeteTusk
Natives don't burn huge swaths and try to make cattle pasture with it. Know your ecology.
DLTBGYDCU
is in a book by Charles C. Mann titled '1493'. A history of the post Columbian Americas. You even been to the Amazon?
elvisdumbledore
Avg person is 62kg(137lb). 0.06% is 37.2g(1.3oz), about one toe. Toe removal is $1800. So I'd say they're getting a bargain.
ford5of5
A toe? Does Brazil have diabetes?
elvisdumbledore
http://www.medicalbag.com/body-modification/stiletto-obsessed-women-cut-off-their-pinky-toes-for-more-comfortable-fit/article/472784/ 1/2
elvisdumbledore
Not sure why but some folks actually do this. :/
ford5of5
I think these people are called fashion victims. Lol
charondaboatman
putting it into perspective.
SimplyMerlin
That's how it starts is it not?
Gantzz321
an how much of the ozone lay is that, how much will it raise the earths temperature, perspective
Strostkovy
Are rainforests and the ozone layer even related issues?
HD226868
Not any significant amount, I'd say.
BaldBandit
Small leaks sink big ships.
Strostkovy
Usually not, ships are compartmentalized now.
TasteyourTears
Just like my feelings
aShogunNamedMarcus
And some are designed so that the front is not supposed to fall off for a start
00r3d
Icebergs fired
flyingturtlebird
With how diverse every square foot of the Amazon is, that's probably like 500 species that are gonna go extinct
d0o0o0d
Most of them are going to be fairly icky bugs. There isn't a shortage of those.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Yeah, go fuck yourself on a saguaro.
Thingsendinginitties
But you just made that up
flyingturtlebird
Not really. The biodiversity of the Amazon is staggering. I'm exaggerating, but multiple species WILL be wiped out from this- mainly insects
Fictomous
Yup. And their potential contributions to cures or science wrought useless.
michonnedisapproves
As well as their perceived usefulness to us, it's a matter of knowing we have no right to dictate the species that get to exist anyway
notabrainlet
You know the official term is bio-prospecting. Much like actual prospecting sometimes you get gold and most of the times you get dirt shit.
notabrainlet
Also with advanced molecular biology I'm more excited about what CRISPR-CAS9 can do more so then obscure species. Who probably can't ...
notabrainlet
Survive outside of the amazon.