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https://apnews.com/article/food-aid-snap-rollins-blue-states-edf7a10ab409fe471ae81a13823484ab
Dec 2, 2025 9:05 PM
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https://apnews.com/article/food-aid-snap-rollins-blue-states-edf7a10ab409fe471ae81a13823484ab
knotch2
The government is like okay extortion it is.
Zammurkele
schnikelfritz
So according to the article, all the fraud so far was committed by red states since blue states didn’t submit their information. Are they withholding funds from those red states?
rubypilgrim
About that $37tn deficit and the Epstein files...
deadlyJumper
The comments are sadly telling about how many people really, really don't understand how tax payments work and how the states have no part in it. States cant do anything to stop it because they're not involved. They'd have to pass a lot of legislation to force companies to use them as a middleman. That will get a lot of pushback.
FireSolvesProblems
It's astounding how much hate, stupidity, pettiness & anger can exist in a single person.
ViolentlyJaded
Blue states should stop sending federal tax. If Fed money only flows one way, stop letting in go to them.
SirSpiffyDijelos
States should withhold tax until their people are fed.
unluckyandbored
So extortion. Again.
LutraLazuli
How much more obvious is it gonna be that he wants to start a civil war
KingdomsCrown
The face they'll make when they find 0 illegal immigrants in the data
djangojazz
Great just withhold funds to the feds if we are not using our tax dollars as we voted to.
RetrogradeLlama
So the lawsuit that is arguing against the Fed's right to the data will be supplemented by a lawsuit arguing against the Administration's right to thwart the operation of a program approved by Congress.
Legally, all the cards are against the Administration in this game. They can't add requirements that Congress didn't include nor are they allowed to stop funding a Congressionally authorized program.
SquashDemon
Normally, I'd be reassured by this, but an appeal to the Roberts court is fucking terrifying because he's a goddamn traitor.
notsureIwanttodothisjustyet
And even if Roberts goes against trump it won’t matter since it’s ideologically the Thomas court now.
CobainsSarcoma
republicans would happily shit their pants id they thought a liberal would have to smell it
karlfrack
Stop paying taxes to the federal government. Red states will make out great!
Skawomplious
Reminder that every single person on this board can stop paying Federal income tax any time you want.
rubypilgrim
not so easy when the taxes are deducted from your paycheck. However, there are a lot of ways to minimize your taxes, and ways to resist.
Skawomplious
No, it is exactly that easy. You call your HR or whoever and you update your W4 and claim exempt. Done.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf?1764018031
You're still going to owe all those taxes, and what you do about in April is up to you. But it's trivially easy to stop them from withholding taxes from your paycheck.
ActionJohnnie
Data is just 1s and 0s. Give them zeros
StellarJay77
Okay do it and all blue states withhold any and all federal taxes they normally pay. That'll go really well for Trump and his cronies as red states rely on that funding.
FoxxoniusAugustus
Ask the king of england how well that worked out for his forebear. Taxation without representation means we kill your soldiers and your tax collectors and all those loyal to you and this time there is no ocean between us and you.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
They're making lists.
keystotheairlock
Say it with me:
Ya Can't Apply
For Benefits
If
You
Aren't
A Citizen!
The "data" they're asking for is a poor attempt at seeking a list of impoverished, exploitable people from whom they will continue to extract cheaper and cheaper labor until they're dead.
DukeDarkwood
These are, of course, the people insisting THEY don't need to share data, like crime or disease statistics, meteorological patterns, simple little things like that.
morninggloryshade777
Toss these bums out...& right into jail cells.
Jimmytheeel
Aren't republicans supposed to be against more government oversight?
duktayp
MagnumRadhard
Watch out for the Hegseth Double tap!
rfleming1080
Hegseth will bomb that one too.
PosthumousExile
Is this real?
Gaelwyn
I can't find any sources.
DC1123
Lets makes a list of all their names and their exact involvement in these... multiple crimes.
Hatsodoom
Those states should withhold taxes.
jamiedBreaker
I sure will be.
deadlyJumper
States don't have anything to do with it, companies send it directly to the irs. They'd have to start passing a LOT of laws to step in and on the IRS' and companys' toes to even try to do that. Or somehow get every single citizen in a state to deny their workplace send federal tax for them.
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
See you in court.
Jaimelee
Maine?
GwaboButt
I’m convinced everything he does is intended to go to SCOTUS since they have given him his way on 80% of cases.
Psionickitten
Federal judge reversed his last withholding of SNAP, albeit a week later. We'll probably see the exact same this time around if he does it again. Probably even faster.
FlintNorth44
Court ain't gonna work anymore.
ROGUEdenied
Bystandr
Court has already ruled he cant do what was just said here.
Jandegrote
Cool is anyone going to enforce it or?
Bystandr
chapitaine
While people starve...
jammer909
I'll just sit back and wait for the impending Legal Eagle video.
syko2k
As if that's ever worked with that semi-sentient abortion survivor.
Metalsmith21
It's OK since the blue states have money they'll just continue to pay out SNAP benefits and just withhold it from the taxes they send to the Fed.
Sinasohn
Unfortunately, states don't pay the feds; the feds take it directly from the people.
hotaru251
California has perhaps the biggest ball move opportunity. stop paying Gov taxes and just use said tax to fund programs to help other states itself rather than throguh Gov.
IPostOffensiveShit
How would we stop paying taxes exactly?
hotaru251
assuming the state could find a reason to legally do so? Basically CA would likely give gov the federal tax (as thats theirs) however state tax and income tax would instead go to the state.
deadlyJumper
States don't handle that. Companies do. They send it directly to the irs with no middleman, the states have no part in it. States would have to build something legally to interrupt that procedure.
Kingdomonsterdeath
This seems like a good way to motivate blue states to withhold all federal contributions until the trump economy crashes in red states.
DSREX
That is about a week I am willing to bet.
If all the blue states acted together.
OffendingBacon
If it were possible this is a cool idea i support. It keeps getting mentioned. But I've got to remind everyone states don't send any notable money to the federal government directly. Individual entities, people, businesses, etc pay federal taxes. All businesses within those states collectively would have to stop paying taxes.
brownribbon
Why does this stupid idea not die?
IPostOffensiveShit
I keep seeing that suggestion, and i keep pulling my hair at it. How would it work? Tax revenue is collected at the individual paycheck. How would any state prevent this from happening? Pass a law to forbid it? How would this impact the multi-state companies that are a majority of the revenue?
Valatros
Hahah yeah, I get the IDEA... being part of the union is looking less worthwhile as federal guardrails fail. But good lord, it's not like california gathers up the money themselves; it's directly to IRS by every. single. company. The closest to making this possible would be if California passed a bill that companies in California can legally operate without paying federal taxes, and levy its own state tax to replace it. 1/2(?)
Valatros
But you'd have to protect those companies and their operators from federal agents, because that would be wildly illegal on the federal level. It's functionally secession from the union, which there... is no mechanism for. It'd be a very confusing war with the California leadership who implemented it treated as rebels, because well... it would be a rebellion, yeah. And even if you were on board with that, how many companies would be? Trading partners? California doesn't have a navy...
iamthelawl
Technically it’s not collected at the check. It’s held in your enoloyers account until they make their predetermined scheduled payment to the agency. It depends on the individual company, if they do their own payroll, or if they use a 3rd party processor. I work for one of them. If, and that’s a big if, somehow the state could mandate businesses cut off FIT it just as easy as a) they don’t send that quarterly payment in if they do their own or b) if they use a vendor, there’s usually some 1/*
iamthelawl
software letting them block FIT from calculation. The vendor can suggest against it, but because they aren’t accountants they can’t actually tell them what to do about their taxes. We can get in huge legal trouble giving tax advice. At best, they’ll switch it to employer liability to pay absolving the vendor of the responsibility. Even if all the MAGA loyal employers decided to send in their FIT, the drop in revenue coming from the state of say CA would be immense and very noticeable. The 2/*
iamthelawl
government could of course go after those businesses, but the IRS is already backlogged to fuck and back and that would immensely exacerbate it.
hotaru251
doesnt even need to go that far....just have CA stop giving tax revenue to Gov. That INSTANTLY has a massive effect on nation and especially gov. Some blue states will get caught up in it, but more so reds and Gov can't really blame CA for doing anything bad because CA being a strong Dem led state would be admitting to how badly Red states are by comparison. They couldnt stand that hit to their pride.
ElleW1988
This assessment would require them to agree on a set of economic facts which is a stretch. They choose their own facts.
acetothermus
80+ billions dollars we send to the Feds. I say fuck 'em. Let the red states crash and burn. Those of us in California can sure as fuck put that 80+ billion to good use here.
hotaru251
people dont realzie how much CA makes on a global scale. if you removed CA and made it its own nation it is the 4th largest economy in world. only US (w/o ca), china, and germany would be larger.
CA holds so much economic power its scary if they ever wanted to use it.
imakesoap
Unfortunately, we pay our federal taxes directly to the Internal Revenue Service. I live in CA, and my federal taxes are not sent to the State of CA, I make the check out directly to the IRS. And if I don’t pay my federal taxes, I don’t think the state is going to come bail me out
Sinasohn
Yeah, I was gonna say this. I wonder, though... if state taxes are deductible, could CA raise taxes enough to impact the feds? I dunno if they are deductible and I know it would hurt like hell for most people, but maybe do it for high earners?
acetothermus
I was about to correct you and say 5th largest, but I checked myself and you're right. We did go up a ranking.
I've been saying for a long time that we need to take our economy, our farm production (bread basket of the world), Hollywood, Silicon Valley, etc. and tell the rest of the US to fuck right the hell off. Washington and maybe Oregon can come along too.