Why would there even need to be an order against such a thing? A) they're going to alter evidence as they see fit, and b) isn't sleeping evidence already illegal as fuck?
The fuck? It's like passing a law that states the FBI is not allowed to break the law.
1. It's already illegal. 2. When they are already breaking the law, a law won't stop them.
What would stop them would be if they learned that they won't get away with it. But the USA already failed at teaching this to cops before the fascist regime. so good luck doing that with the same institutions now.
Remember how the secret service deleted all of their texts after January 6th? Stated it was due to upgrading equipment. Was anyone held accountable for that?
Krusti Gnome hasn't followed a court order yet. This is the start. The followup is the court compelling the state police to cordon off the area and take control, then arrest anyone ANYONE INCLUDES FEDS that interferes. But that's the next step that not one court yet has taken.
So seeing as how they don’t believe in the law, I saw we do away with that whole “cruel and unusual punishment” thing just for them then. Nothing like an old school Old Testament punishment to make sure they don’t pull this again any more.
If the consequences are lighter than the exposure of that information, they'll just take that route. Rules only work if consequences are enforced on those that break them.
If you’re not asking for it with a gun in your hand, you’re begging and will be ignored just like all these protests.
Rule of law is dead in the US. Justice has not been served for a long time, but now there is not even the pretense of justice. They didn’t kill Good and claim justification; they killed her and claimed immunity. And until we collectively decide to serve that justice ourselves, it will never come.
I'm thinking that it ensures that they're breaking a direct court order when they are found out later. Which assumes that there will be justice and consequences again in the US at some point.
This is a legal distraction to make Americans think their system still functions. It's to convince people to stay home and do nothing. The scene is already scrubbed and the regime ignores court orders daily. Not a fucking thing will come of this. The legal system died when you handed him the courts.
Yes? The court order is more or less to prevent federal crime scene cleanup personnel from doing anything until after state and/or outside/third-party agencies do an investigation once the federal investigation is done. In most circumstances multiple investigations should be done either in cooperation or in close succession so this isn't an issue, but ICE's behavior means neither is an option and the risk that "the feds" might do an "oops, all cleaned up now. sowwy" bit of bullshit is real.
In this particular case your interpretation is almost certainly 100% spot on. In more normal circumstances it could still be required to prevent accidents in situations where an investigation independent from the first one is called for. It's even plausible that the tables could be turn & it's the federal agency seeking a court order to prevent local or state cleanup crews from altering a crime scene before they can investigate if there is some sort of delay between investigations.
Yup. Florida has a GOP governor who has been overridden more than once by the GOP supermajorities in the Florida Senate and Florida House because he wasn’t toeing Trump’s line. The corruption is deep here in FL. Shit, look at Bondi’s history.
autocorrectfailures
Why would there even need to be an order against such a thing? A) they're going to alter evidence as they see fit, and b) isn't sleeping evidence already illegal as fuck?
Sebastopol140
Like they will follow that order.
mercyPandaRunner
The fuck? It's like passing a law that states the FBI is not allowed to break the law.
1. It's already illegal.
2. When they are already breaking the law, a law won't stop them.
What would stop them would be if they learned that they won't get away with it. But the USA already failed at teaching this to cops before the fascist regime. so good luck doing that with the same institutions now.
DCon101
Remember how the secret service deleted all of their texts after January 6th? Stated it was due to upgrading equipment. Was anyone held accountable for that?
Fishy820
Yeah no, DHS still blocked them(BCA) from the scene. BCA did this preemptively hoping ICE would move aside and they did not. https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/ice-in-minnesota/bca-blocked-from-scene-where-federal-agents-fatally-shot-man-south-minneapolis/89-2d4bf800-d146-49ee-8eb8-4ff5e09f02c8
CelestialSea
And when they do it anyhow? What's the consequence? Nothing again, I presume.
Necrothean
Krusti Gnome hasn't followed a court order yet. This is the start. The followup is the court compelling the state police to cordon off the area and take control, then arrest anyone ANYONE INCLUDES FEDS that interferes. But that's the next step that not one court yet has taken.
justadude41123
They wear masks for a reason. Suddenly operational documentation is missing.
whitey211
Didn't a judge already say they had to allow the police to conduct their own investigation and ICE ignored the judge and kept the cops out?
stayingalive4life
So seeing as how they don’t believe in the law, I saw we do away with that whole “cruel and unusual punishment” thing just for them then. Nothing like an old school Old Testament punishment to make sure they don’t pull this again any more.
ThisIsMyUsernameThereAreManyLikeIt
...One would think that altering or destroying evidence should already be kind of no-no? Boy, the judicial system is fuuuuucked up...!
Grimlinnan
ugkklhisabeast
"It's a wonder they didn't claim the evidence was abducted by aliens."
zzz777
It's 25 days into this month. you'd literally assume ICE has an internal memo saying: DO NOT KILL ANYONE. But here we are.
SalmySwims
Why would you think they have that?
clonedeeznuts
Ah yes, the Nazis have been known to follow orders.
jalcantara88127001
If the consequences are lighter than the exposure of that information, they'll just take that route. Rules only work if consequences are enforced on those that break them.
rmichelsen480
????
WackyWavingInflatableArmFlailingTubman
Uhhhh isn't this like a given? Or is it purposefully click baity
enderite
Theyre going to do it anyway.
cokebot9000
Oh, that’ll stop him
dontrike
Unless that judge is willing to throw people in jail they will absolutely do that without any worry
zalamander
Do you think this party of no consequences gives two shits that a judge signed an order?
Grimlinnan
Guilty : Everyone knows they are Guilty of Murder. No amount of bullshit is going to change that.
DYLANLEE79
Yes but justice would be nice.
Grimlinnan
Revenge is needed.
mindstorm8191
Trump's regime isn't going to give us any justice; he is reserving it for his own people, aka not us.
We're going to have to create our own justice
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
If you’re not asking for it with a gun in your hand, you’re begging and will be ignored just like all these protests.
Rule of law is dead in the US. Justice has not been served for a long time, but now there is not even the pretense of justice. They didn’t kill Good and claim justification; they killed her and claimed immunity. And until we collectively decide to serve that justice ourselves, it will never come.
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
They don't obey the law. drump loves to drag out everything, he has been abusing the US "justice" system for decades.
zHurk777
ha ha. As if a judge's order means anything to trump. nice try, tho.
Hexidimentional
the evidence has already been destroyed
DYLANLEE79
That is at least partly true, yes. The scene has been compromised.
Hexidimentional
Alex's firearm was not photographed in position so yeah
Goatfer
How could it be? They already took it from him before they murdered him.
Hexidimentional
I more mean it was completely removed from the scene of the crime before anyone had the presence of mind to take a picture of it
OzNarcissus
What presence of mind? The last guy holding a phone just got gunned down.
ucantreadthis
The fact that this even needs to be an order from a judge is crazy.
Quesadildos
The fact they think this will stop them is even crazier
discostewsm
My thoughts exactly. Like, it's basically saying that without it, they could freely claim whatever they want, tamper with evidence, etc.
oukid
The judge is letting them know that they have no credibility, no morals, no dignity.
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
They know. They don’t care.
GwensBackOnHerBS
It's already illegal, wtf?
Toqom
And the thought that they'd follow it is even more crazy
RyanSilver612
And republicans are calling the judge a leftist schill for this. They are soo far gone.
Bundalicious
Straight up fucking bonkers.
Cbouch4rd
I'm thinking that it ensures that they're breaking a direct court order when they are found out later. Which assumes that there will be justice and consequences again in the US at some point.
Samja192
I don't understand, your law enforcement requires a court order to not alter or destroy evidence?
BrdCdn
This is a legal distraction to make Americans think their system still functions. It's to convince people to stay home and do nothing. The scene is already scrubbed and the regime ignores court orders daily. Not a fucking thing will come of this. The legal system died when you handed him the courts.
Marikhen
Yes? The court order is more or less to prevent federal crime scene cleanup personnel from doing anything until after state and/or outside/third-party agencies do an investigation once the federal investigation is done. In most circumstances multiple investigations should be done either in cooperation or in close succession so this isn't an issue, but ICE's behavior means neither is an option and the risk that "the feds" might do an "oops, all cleaned up now. sowwy" bit of bullshit is real.
Marikhen
In this particular case your interpretation is almost certainly 100% spot on. In more normal circumstances it could still be required to prevent accidents in situations where an investigation independent from the first one is called for. It's even plausible that the tables could be turn & it's the federal agency seeking a court order to prevent local or state cleanup crews from altering a crime scene before they can investigate if there is some sort of delay between investigations.
dynamojoe
Of course, they'll do it anyway and say "oops". The GOP has a long history of deleting evidence that may incriminate them.
NeoMonish
And even if they do, who is going to prosecute them for it?
Arkandos
Like they did at J6
LuminoZero
Was it in Florida where they not only deleted the election data, but three independent back ups? And just, nothing came from it?
dynamojoe
Yup. Florida has a GOP governor who has been overridden more than once by the GOP supermajorities in the Florida Senate and Florida House because he wasn’t toeing Trump’s line. The corruption is deep here in FL. Shit, look at Bondi’s history.
alcamar
Nixon for instance
bananabonanza3
Exactly. Seems like wishful thinking. Cuz they were so forthcoming with the Epstein files that congress passed a damn bill with explicit rules above
ricbri695
In fairness, if they claim that they mishandled it due to ignorance, everyone would believe it…