What most people don't know about Abraham Lincoln.

Feb 24, 2023 4:17 PM

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It's fairly commonly known that Abraham Lincoln was quite the wrestler in his youth. He's the only President enshrined in the Wrestling Hall of Fame, I believe, for instance. Some people even know that he only lost 1 match out of 300.

But no one seems to know anything about that one match... That fateful match that ruined what otherwise was a perfect record...

http://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-2947.html

Meet my 2nd-Great-Grandfather, Lorenzo Dow Thompson. I won't summarize the wrestling match itself here, it's in the link above. It's quite the read, I highly suggest reading it if you have any interest.

Later in life, Lorenzo served two terms in the Missouri State Senate, as an Anti-Benton Democrat (no, I don't really know what that means. ;) Local politics of the 1800s isn't my forte).

He died in 1875 in northern Missouri, after reportedly suffering several health issues and possibly mental degradation of some sort. His exact gravesite isn't known for sure, but one of my cousins thinks she knows where it is and has taken me to see it. There's just no way to prove it.

This isn't exactly my 14th favorite, this is based on my 5th, with additional information by me. This is, I think, far more interesting than my actual 14th. I hope you enjoyed the read.

Edit: I forgot to mention that some sources seem to think his name was Hank. I have no idea why, other than maybe the originator didn't have a first name and made it up, or thought Lorenzo was too weird or offbeat for their readers to accept. Lorenzo's father was a preacher, and named him after Lorenzo Dow, a famous traveling preacher of the times.

Edit x2: fixed it to "Anti-Benton", not Benson. Faulty memory, sorry about that.

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Edit x3: I've been asked to summarize the wrestling, so here it is. I will attempt to describe the holds, However, I make ABSOLUTELY no claim to them being historically accurate. I did look into them a few years ago, but don't have my sources handy - this is what stuck in my brain at the time.

Location: Beardstown, IL, May 2nd(?) 1832, The Blackhawk War. The weather was "cold and tempestous". Two companies of militia both come upon and claim the same ideal camping site simultaneously.

Captain Lincoln proposed to Captain Moore that "captain for captain, the matter should be settled by match." Apparently Captain Moore wasn't nearly as physically imposing as Lincoln, so he counter-offered a man from each company. Lincoln, of course, selected himself as his representative. Private Thompson was produced from the St Clair company, apparently of just above medium height and weight, and otherwise unremarkable. Lincoln's men were sure of their success and began wagering on the match, egged on by Lincoln, but the St Clair company was unusually sure of their man, and took those bets.

The match was 'Best Two-of-Three'. American wrestling was "Catch-as-catch-can", starting in a hold-position and trying to take your opponent to the ground.

The first hold was Thompson's choice: "Side-holt". (My personal reconstruction: stand facing your opponent, with them to your right. Put your right leg behind theirs, and your right hand on their waist. Left hand *probably* gripping their right arm.) After much see-sawing and spectator shouting, Lincoln was thrown down onto the ground on his back.

Lincoln wasn't hurt, although his pants were damaged a bit, his pride was possibly damaged worse. As he moved back to the center, he said, "Now Mr. Thompson, it's your turn to go down."

The next hold was the Indian hug, apparently Lincoln's favorite. (I believe this one is standing face-to-face, reach around with both hands and grasp the top of your opponent's pants, while opponent does the same to you.) Thompson appeared to be the stronger man at this hold as well, and Lincoln switched tactics.

This last one I've seen reported a few different ways. According to the link above, Lincoln tried a "crotch-hold", while I've seen at least one site claim that Thompson grabbed Lincoln's crotch to win this bout. Personally, here is what I think- one or both of them did do the crotch hold, but it's not what you're thinking of. That would have definitely been unsportsmanlike and probably been a forfeit. My guess it's grabbing your opponent by the upper thigh with both hands and trying to lift and throw them over backwards.

Anyways, this maneuver by Lincoln (if it was by him) also wasn't sufficient to do it, and once again he found himself thrown to the ground, but Thompson went down with him at the same time.

Lincoln's men called it a "Dog fall!" (a tie, I'm sure), while Moore's claimed it was fair.

Lincoln himself called it, springing to his feet, called out, "Boys! The man actually threw me once fairly; broadly so. And this second time - this very fall, he threw me fairly although not apparently so." His men had lost their goods and their camping site, but Lincoln retained his honor and integrity.

I've also seen different words claimed to Lincoln, essentially the same, but claiming that Thompson could "outwrestle a bear."

Edit #4: Most Viral! First time for me, thanks all for taking an interest!

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3 years ago (deleted Feb 24, 2023 4:28 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

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3 years ago (deleted Feb 24, 2023 4:28 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

My great grandfather could beat up your great grandfather. Jk this is neato.

3 years ago | Likes 229 Dislikes 0

This is essentially how royalty starts isn't it? My ancestor could kill more people than your ancestor therefore kneel down and ...

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

One sarcastic response I like to use is “do you know who my dad is?!”

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is one of the most interesting bits of my ancestry. More than I expected to find, tbh. Most people led boring lives.

3 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 0

Your great grandfather beat my great great uncle

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No grudges, I hope. Not sure what I'd do if I picked up a nemesis at this late date. My wife would be pissed.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

damn

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I for one, had absolutely no idea Lincoln was a wrestler, much less a very good one.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Really interesting OP! My uncle was left behind in Dunkirk WW2

3 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 0

These were drawings of his POW camp in Poland, where they were marched from Dunkirk.

3 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

From your phrasing, it sounds like he survived? If so, I'm glad! One of my uncles was in the Navy in the Pacific for WWII. Also survived.

3 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

He did!! Thanks. Glad your uncle did too. Brave men.

3 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

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3 years ago (deleted Feb 25, 2023 11:03 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

It was an awful march for them.

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The ones who couldnt walk it didnt get a ride, either.

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Lincoln often enjoyed wrestling men and his 'Bestie' often shared his bed.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

TLDR: When Abraham trys to put his Lincoln's on you; your better Lorenzo the 'ol Thompson

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Guy in the crowd: ’grab his dick and twist it!’

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3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

And of course the only man who could beat AL had three names.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Lincoln was also a skilled vampire hunter: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1611224

3 years ago | Likes 112 Dislikes 1

https://youtu.be/d_dRw62qVLs probably inspired by this sketch, Lincoln and vampire hamlet, can't be a coincidence Shirley

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I dont know why the gifs of this scene are always blue...

3 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Regardless of your opinion on the movie, the book is EXCELLENT.

3 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Is it? I've been looking for a new book to read. Any reason why you liked it so much?

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And besides the obvious alterations to fit a vampire slaying historical fiction, it stays true to the major events and feelings of his life.

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm super interested now. Will have to get a copy. Thank you. You're the wisest and most literate CatBeagler I've ever met. : )

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's horror, comedy, tragedy, and gives you an accurate description of the average confederate slaveholder.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It doesn't paint them in an okay light, right? So many are like 'Well, that was just how it was at the time. So, it's fine.' : ( -->

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Also, thanks for the review. I work with lots of adults but...I don't think many of them read for pleasure. I like recommendations.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I think you'll enjoy how they're portrayed just fine

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Honestly this movie could have been good B movie schlock if they hadn't taken it so damn seriously.

3 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I think that's the glory of it, like the Muppet Christmas Carol.

3 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah; it's always a big cringy when a movie tries to be more than it is.

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The year after Lincoln invented the chokeslam.

3 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I think he lost the match against John Wilkes Booth...

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

There are nine presidents in the Wrestling Hall of Fame. Lincoln just received a "special honor."

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I bet Honest Abe cut a mean promo.

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3 years ago | Likes 84 Dislikes 1

Oh shit, I can't watch this! Everybody, I can't watch this!

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Listen to the woman, John.

3 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

String beaned looking mother fucker!

3 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Now you fucked up! Now you have fucked up! You have fucked up now!

3 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

OOOoooh. Now you fucked UP!

3 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Something something died by being hammered in the ass to death

3 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Who said that?! Which one of you dead mother fuckas just said that shit?!

3 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

WAS IT YOU, STRING BEAN?!

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I think you're probably right about the crotch-hold, it sounds like some people misinterpreted it

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Oh, if you can see that, then the edit took, and it's just not showing me. :)

3 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah sometimes you have to relog to see your edits, I dunno why

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

1832, not 1932. Minor point.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Fixed, thank you! Old habits for hard!

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Die hard. Stupid keyboard... :P

3 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No worries. I'm old enough to witness the match.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How was it? Did I leave anything important out? :P

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Missed most of it - I was getting a sandwich. Lost $3.00 on a bet.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hmmm. I thought Abraham Lincoln had been a vampire hunter in his youth…I’ll be dipped!

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I would appreciate a quick summary of the match, if you are so inclined. Might be that I'm tired, but I am having some trouble parsing the

3 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Lincoln lost. The end.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Busy right now, wife just got out of her procedure, will definitely do so when I'm at a keyboard and not on phone

3 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Well, I *tried* to add a summary, but it doesn't seem to want to let me submit it. It's there if I edit the post again, but not live.

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Someone else can see it, so it's there? Just I can't see it. :P

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It might not matter now but you might want to change the date in your edit from 1932 to 1832. Great post all the same, thanks!

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Someone else commented also! Done and done! Thanks for letting me know!

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

language in the link.

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Two militia companies met at a camping spot. Lincoln, captain, challenged other captain for the spot. Other captain said, “let’s use men” 1/

3 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Lincoln chose himself, the other Lorenzo. Lorenzo was an average guy height and weight. As Lincoln hadn’t been beaten, hIs side laughed /2

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

At the smaller man and made incredibly heavy bets, as Lincoln was favored. A coin toss was made to choose the starting positions /3

3 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

And the best 2 out of 3 won. Lorenzo thrashed him immediately from his preferred side hold and Lincoln’s guys went nuts. Lincoln was /4

3 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I struggled to figure out what an anti-Benson Democrat was myself reading this. There was a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_L._Benson

3 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

I figured it out. It’s anti BENTON Democrat. Anti-Benton Democrats opposed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hart_Benton_(politician)

3 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

@OP see above

3 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Reading it now, thanks for the link!

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

…who ran for President in 1916 as a socialist, and an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Taft_Benson a century later.

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Based on when https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Dow_Thompson was in office in MO, I’m guessing it’s the former and that he was…

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

…opposed to the ideas of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_L._Benson maybe?

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Either that or it was some local term that’s lost all meaning. That’s about how much effort I’m willing to put into it at lunchtime, if…

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

…somebody else figures it out tag me, I’d love to know, I hate unresolved questions.

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Haha! Would you believe that's a *different* Lorenzo Dow Thompson, also from Missouri? My Lorenzo died in 2875

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That's a fun typo.

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ain't it tho? ;) And I can edit the original post, but not a comment.

3 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wow, that makes it even more confusing, as the Benson I mentioned was a child when your Lorenzo Dow Thompson died.

3 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Man, this is gonna bug me all week until I figure it out. Lol

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Here we go.. Anti-BENTON Democrat

3 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Is the Wheeler schoolhouse where you went to visit his grave?

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's been several years, but that sounds like it could be right

3 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yup. That little S had us barking up the wrong tree.

3 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Sorry about that! I definitely should have prepped this article more than I did

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I was killing time in the waiting room. :)

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