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snicklefritzmcgiggletits
@OP there's so much bullshit here I mistook it for a dairy farm. Got any sauce for us, or should we take your disingenuous word for it?
ThreeDimesDown
Your username is sure on point for someone who is trying to deflect attention from our administration's capitulation to Putin's worldview.
standards
I'm sure it's only a coincidence.
Evanrudeplz
Looks like someone reads Breitbart's twitter posts as news. You keep think that, OP
JeriSanchez
Yeah. It was a pretty stupid move. Will not try and defend it.
One8updude
Holder is a scumbag. various reasons.
knotshittingyou
Remember Bowling Green
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Please lookup and educate yourself on WHAT they say was a LIE. There is nothing there; just another republican bullshit accusation.
Frost72
Corrupt pieces of shit. But drive 10 miles over the limit and they want to put you in jail.
TheCur
Honestly you'd probably get shot first, but I agree in general.
Frost72
Yeah that is true. Shoot first ask later.
ThisAnalrapistneedsANuStart
How did this make the front page? How shitty and ignorant are the people in Usersub?
asificareokido
You need to ask? I tried to make an independent observation and got blasted. This is the US right now, unfortunately.
HeDiedInABizarreGardeningAccident
You can very rightly criticize Holder for a number of things but saying "he did it too!" doesn't excuse the current situation
IATTM
I agree, but what about from a legal standpoint?
StonedLikeACheatingMuslimWoman
Yep. Many democrats fucked up too. It doesn't excuse current behavior. Also I see a lot of "you were fine with it"...yeah no. Nobody was.
PotatoPierce
Sorry, but was there widespread criticism of holder when he was in office from anyone other than right wing outlets? I don't remember any
SnugglesaurusRex
He didn't do it. It was Arizona ATF and prosecutors. The contempt vote was a stunt by Republicans, and had nothing to do with him.
stink3rbelle
Especially when he did nothing of the sort.
CommanderWilliamTRiker
I fucking hate Eric Holder
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Never lied: "After House Republicans announced they would investigate Holder for perjury after he testified that he had never considered /1
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
prosecuting reporters as part of a leak investigation -- which Republicans and conservative media falsely conflated with his approval of /2
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
a search warrant for Fox reporter James Rosen’s comm. records to find and prosecute a leaker of classified information." - media matters /3
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
This is just another bullshit "gotcha" non-lie where republicans went after impeachment of Holder, they twist lie and conflate. /4
grumpy173
You misspelled George W. Bush
PizzaGovorun
Way to stick it to The Man! Wait... That's kissing up to The Man in your case.
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throwaway556785
Why bother with facts? They're, like, so arbitrary. But you don't like him because, why? He believed the law shouldn't discriminate?
SassySailor
Could it be possible that both Holder and Sessions are assholes? Hmmm
showmaturepostsandcomments
That's not how context works. That's not how any of this works.
Hulme
Except of course that's not what happened, per the investigation (heavily critical of Holder & GOP reps, btw) into it: http://ti.me/2lBMPUF
KillingTlme
Fake News defense!
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
It's never what happened because republicans take a thing and twist it beyond recognition. It think Fox is responsible; they probably /1
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
brought up Holder in a way that tries to equate him such that it passes the "idiot test" and all the Fox minions go forth spreading bs, /2
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
And with sessions, all republicans en masse seem to be completely unaware that Sessions lied to congress; I think Fox left that out. /3
lastusernameinexistence
Out of curiosity, why does is the article link go to swamplands .time.com? And not just time.com?
Hulme
Hi, Swampland is/was Time's Washington blog.
tothineownselfbetrue
Precisely. This is the problem with people reading headlines and twitter as 'news' but never actually reading the full stories.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
No, the problem is with Fox news putting out only part of a story, enough to pass the "idiot test" and their viewers repeating the bs.
LintCollector
The fast and furious plan got an American killed, someone should have been held responsible. Simple as that
tothineownselfbetrue
So did Trump's recent raid in Yemen...
LintCollector
Yeah a navy SEAL, not a border patrol agent.
snewsh
the same can be said for cnn and any other news org. singling out fox news is bullshit.
Igotbannedforpoliticalposting
But remember kids, Obama's presidency was 'scandal free"
NOINOON
Fast and Furious started in 2006, which is known in the right wingnut circles as "Obama's zeroth term."
Igotbannedforpoliticalposting
Right, but why didn't the Barackstar just end it when he took office? He still has to take at least 50 percent of the blame
NOINOON
List all the things Bush did that Obama should have undone.
bitemark
Okay but guns are an order of magnitude different than potential treason.
DamnumAbsqueInjuria
Ah but you see the difference is that Americans don't give a flying fuck about what happens in Mexico. One might even say it stays there.
imjustheretomakeamovie
I don know who that is or what your talking about. Probs wanna slap a saucey source on there.
imjustheretomakeamovie
Right, in retrospect I'm thinking you don't want to provide a credible source because this has American conservative conspiracy all over it
NOINOON
http://swampland.time.com/2012/09/20/fast-and-furious-ig-report-destroys-right-wing-conspiracy-theories/
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
It was only reported on Fox because the entire basis for saying he "lied" was indefensible bullshit. Standard republican bullshit.
bthighlander
Or you could inform yourself. If you don't know who this is, you are a low information voter.
biolologist
If you think f&f was an Obama admin program or that Holder was involved in any way, YOU are a low information voter.
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biolologist
He wasn't impeached, wtf are you even talking about?
imjustheretomakeamovie
Or maybe I'm not American you pretentious douchebag.
bthighlander
Then why are you commenting like you're so surprised that you don't know who this is, you twat?
imjustheretomakeamovie
when you try to publicly draw attention to something, and someone expresses interest, you normally elaborate. Not try to demean them ffs
StrawberryPrincess92
Can't forget something I never knew about.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
It was only reported on Fox because if you look at what they say he "lied" about, it's just more twisted bullshit from republicans.
Youreatowel
Can't let facts get in the way of trying to create a false equivalency!
GiantMoron
Remember Ollie North
notmyfirstrodeo
Was he the AG? Was he not prosecuted? Apples and oranges...
PoultryInMotion
Iran into him once...
storebrandproductmascot
Fox News employed him for 15 years.
Kierbear2g
How could I forget that treasonous scum? I see him on TV every now and then offering up his fucking opinion.
AprilHamLincon
Let the youngsters have fun and not know about him.
NoNightDigging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFs_PgLhLWc
HumanInhuman
Fondly.
dghammer
Amen
iwilljustplayalong
My mom sits next to Mr. North at church
area42
I would have really tough time not calling him out, or just plain punching him in the face.
BillHaleyandHisBANNEDComments2
your church has assigned seating?
iwilljustplayalong
I wouldn't know never been to a church, but my mom said he just sits in the same spot every Sunday
Yonameistoby
Trying to stop those trouble makers sitting in the back
BillHaleyandHisBANNEDComments2
You can always tell the late Catholics, they are sitting in the front row
Yonameistoby
Gotta make sure God sees you
biolologist
Fast and furious was a Bush admin program and Holder had nothing at all to do with any part of it, you tremendous moron.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Fox puts these nuggets out that pass the idiot test and all the minions pollute social media with it.
OliverClothesoff70
False. FF was started in October 2009. Obama took office in Jan 2009. Link below if from US Dept of Justice report
OliverClothesoff70
Bush WAS responsible for Operation Wide Receiver which was related to FF, but don't say Obama or Holder were free and clear on this.
OliverClothesoff70
You don't need to read the whole thing (it's >500 pages). Just look thru the Table of Contents and see the relevant dates.
biolologist
Maybe if you actually read the whole thing you'd understand it and realize how fucking wrong you are.
OliverClothesoff70
The statement that Obama/Holder had nothing to do with FF has been proven false. Conclusively so. How can you say I'm wrong in any way?
OliverClothesoff70
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/9-12-12-DOJ-IG-Review-of-Fast-and-Furious-9-12.pdf
biolologist
http://swampland.time.com/2012/09/20/fast-and-furious-ig-report-destroys-right-wing-conspiracy-theories/
OliverClothesoff70
Did you seriously post an opinion piece from Time in response to the actual report from the Department of Justice that PROVED my point?
biolologist
A report that you admit you didn't read.
awkwardmoment
Or when Holder recused himself from an investigation ... and didn't tell anyone! You could not write an Obama DoJ legal comedy. Too crazy.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
If he recused himself, it would automatically be on record as he was the AG. Freaking Fox filling your brains with nonsense. f'n idiots.
awkwardmoment
1/2 Are you completely retarded or only partially? Everyone wrote about this.
awkwardmoment
2/2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/05/16/holders-recusal-and-the-leak-investigation-are-unprecedented/
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Skip to the end where it turned out to be bullshit from the get-go.
awkwardmoment
You, sir, are a parody of an idiot.
trumpsucks00
The biggest thing to me was being held in contempt of congress. How can u refuse to anwser teh questions of teh American people!
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Like republicans' scurrying away from town halls? But the
ChefGavinB
At that point you should be relived of your position if not prosecuted. Same as the famous "I don't recall" line of BS. You're under oath
happenedtomeonce
I'm not answering that!
StrawberryPrincess92
I have the right to remain silent?
trumpsucks00
Not when ur an employee of the american people.
StrawberryPrincess92
working for the government makes me an alien to one of my unalienable rights?
trumpsucks00
Of course not silly. But if ur boss asks u a work related question and u refuse to anwser u will be fired.
ford53
Is how it should work, but it doesnt.
ChefGavinB
Yea that's fine when you are Joe the pot salesman. Not when you are a high ranking official. Besides that's when you first get arrested
StrawberryPrincess92
No. Everyone from Joe the Pot Salesman to the head of a crime organisation maintain the right to remain silent throughout their case.
ChefGavinB
If you are on trial and neglect to defend yourself, you will essentially be convicted. You don't have to speak but your lawyer will for you
asificareokido
Trump does it all the time. They all do.
ChefGavinB
That's makes it OK then.. I feel the same with "alternative facts". There should be no issue with me lying to the government either
ford53
Im just going to point out that Trump always gives an answer. It is usually stupid or a lie but he always gives an answer.
ChefGavinB
Especially when he kicks out press reps, and then hand selects them from then on out.. seems legit .. but so did Hitler during Reichstag
trumpsucks00
Trump has never been held in contempt of congress. ever.
asificareokido
Cut it out. Really. He said, she said. You are drinking the cool aid if you think he, or any of them, are in this for your best interests.
trumpsucks00
lol its not he said she said. Holder was held in contempt of congress. Trump was not. Stop lying
asificareokido
And Sessions lied to Congress. FFS, I'm trying to point out a bigger issue, but, hey, enjoy your life.
whothehellareyouanyway
Reagan sold weapons to Iran to fund death squads in Central America. What's your point?
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jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
hahaha
xenocyde1224
Our leaders are all assholes, and should be looked at with distrust regardless of party affiliation. This R vs D shit has to stop.
Mojojoejoejoejoe
Damn straight. We're all in this together
IronicUsername
"Obama administration and appointees were imperfect so let's ignore the actions of the 4th Reich that's currently in office."
whothehellareyouanyway
Exactly.
cptcr
but he didn't remeber it.
TheStealthHippopotamus
Remembering history to point out the "other side"'s hypocrisy
Trunkmonkay
Difference here is that F&F got Americans killed. Thats a big fuckin deal, and nobody was held accountable for it.
NitroHeist
He was the Attorney General, the "CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER." Presidents are always fucked up.
Jomini001
Well. Reagan fulfilled contracts made to the previous government of Iran with the new one. The profits from the sales were funneled into
Jomini001
Sponsoring anti communist paramilitaries against soviet sponsored communist paramilitaries It's a little more complicated than you describe
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Nothing you said makes it sound any better.
Jomini001
Well I'll respectfully disagree. The contras were our proxies and prevented the society from surrounding the US with communist client states
Jomini001
And at the time Iran wasn't at all stable, and part of the goal in the arms sales was to arm factions that might overthrow the ayatollah's
Believemefolks
Everything you said is bullshit. Contract?He illegally and secretly stole T.O.W missiles and sold them to an enemy state.Reagans admin 1/2
bigdaddyfatpants
And pretty much destroyed every large city in America with crack.
happenedtomeonce
bigdaddyfatpants
Just was never a fan of the CIA generating funds by becoming cocaine dealers and completely destroying parts of the country.
bigdaddyfatpants
ROFL...
notmyfirstrodeo
The Contras were not death squads. They were fighting the Sandanistas who were conducting mass executions and other human right abuses.
YouWillNotLikeThis
Take a look at this http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+contras+human+rights+violations
MultipleIrateCheeses
They were pretty fucked m8
Roninwarrior
Yeah, so that gives us the right to do what we did? You'll never find your way out of the paradigm.
notmyfirstrodeo
Yes. By your logic, the US should not have supported freeing Europe, Africa, and Asia from fascism in WWII. Good should fight evil.
Roninwarrior
You really think it's that black & white? So who good and who's bad?
notmyfirstrodeo
Yes. People/groups/countries who murder and terrorize to assert their ideology, for one. Nazis, communists, Islamic terrorists...
whothehellareyouanyway
Dude. I remember the Reagan administration. The Contras were death squads.
adamrac
His point is people are calling for the prosecution of the current AG, because they believe he lied. These same people loved Holder.
theredfox64
Same as Hillary email, Powell did the same thing
TheDogEnd
The same people? Are you sure? Are you *absolutely* sure?
DarkwingDuc
Because someone did something bad before, we should ignore someone doing something bad now. Brilliant logic! Two wrongs make a right!
adamrac
Of course, wanting consistency of response to actions was kind of the point.
DarkwingDuc
On an individual basis, sure. But on a website comprised of over 150M unique and constantly changing users. That's naïve at best.
adamrac
What can I say, I always hope for the best in people.
IronicUsername
Who the fuck loved Holder?
happenedtomeonce
His wife?
DukeSlywalker
His mom, maybe?
happenedtomeonce
Nah, she's a Republican ;)
hurrayforboobies
Probably not his dad... though he should be coming back from the store any day now
BodiazRising
And Roosevelt rounded up Japanese Americans and put them in internment camps. What's your point?
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
If you know history; that was Congress' doing.
TinySupreme
He's still the most liked president lol.
whothehellareyouanyway
(by a select group of people who constitute the minority)
natitude0628
And George Washington owned slaves. What's your point?
ElPoloDiablo
He also was quite happy to break a treaty with Native Americans and was a right dick to them, setting the precedent for future US actions.
whothehellareyouanyway
"Whadda YOU mean you people?!?"
jagecage
And the colonists pushed the native Americans off their land. What's your point?
poundingCode
Yes, but we have smart phones and memes now. Isn’t that worth it?
hellement
And mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. What's your point?
ImToxxiic
That the American history is one of growth due to war and bloodshed on foreign lands?
jagecage
Hey now. What about the civil war?
DankS0uls
*literally every nation or state to ever exist, ever
FatThor89
I'm the tip of a pencil. What's your point?
wattietoohottie
Reps keep saying 'but Obama and his team did it too!' But... I thought they were super uncool with what Obama & CO did and hated them for it
Datdudez
They are all hypocrites.
Enderskild
Can we send them both to jail? I vote for that. Starting with the Atty Generals, then Hillary and Trump, then see where the mood takes us.
Throrf
Pff both sides are crooked and feign outrage over the other side being so crooked. Business as usual.
SnugglesaurusRex
The Obama administration was squeaky-clean. Fox News just made up a bunch of bullshit to scream and cry about.
HsuDoNihm
When WE'RE sheisty, it's clever, but when they're clever, it's sheisty. Those They/Thems are the worst!
grammarfairy
"If their side got away with it, we should too!" Will keep both parties unaccountable for decades to come.
XavierWolf
But they didn't get away with it... thats why people hate Hillary and trump was elected...
grammarfairy
It's why Obama was elected before him, and why we haven't seen a presidential transition to a new candidate from the same party since Reagan
stink3rbelle
There are honest politicians on both sides. There is also scum. This level of incompetence and dishonesty in the Executive is unprecedented.
grammarfairy
I'm referring to the base just as much. If a significant amount of your voter base called for accountability, you would give it.
SnugglesaurusRex
Holder didn't get away with anything, because he didn't do anything wrong. The program was handled by Arizona.
grammarfairy
At this point, I don't care about the innocence of one man. A system that refuses to hold the majority accountable is a much bigger problem.
TraitorousTrump3
The word you're looking for is 'hypocrisy'.
tekkblade
And both sides have heaps of it.
TraitorousTrump3
Sure. But right now, GOP is eating shit loads of it.
tekkblade
Did the Dems call for Holder to resign over FF? Both sides are doing the exact thing the other side did last time. Both sides are 1/
TraitorousTrump3
Perhaps you didn't read the words when I wrote 'right now'.
tekkblade
"eating shit loads of it [hypocrisy]."
mrweekend
As a republican, I'm sickened by the shit I've seen so far, from both sides. They need to quit acting like children
wyldcard
It's all politics and neither side is clean. Just annoys me when either side uses the "oh yeah but it's not as bad as X". They should be...
wyldcard
asking more for a candidate not less from an opponent.
wattietoohottie
I want all illegal actions to be punished as well, I just think 'he did it so it's okay if we do it' is a terrible excuse
wattietoohottie
Especially when your whole platform was 'that guy did all these terrible things and he is the worst!'
mrweekend
That's a worse excuse then telling your parents you're holding weed for a friend
LetsGetWaffles
as someone who doesnt support either party, its just annoying to see left/right care now when their people did same shit for years.
Irishbearcub
Shouldn't it be heartening that people finally care?
LetsGetWaffles
Most don't care to do anything other than complain and smear. whenever asked why it matters now and didn't not then they're silent on that.
Irishbearcub
So apathy before means stay apathetic forever? I get it's annoying, but it's better than not caring. Hopefully they vote next time.
LetsGetWaffles
What I've noticed is that people hate the person and automatically hate him bc of his actions even if the guy they like did the exact same.
LetsGetWaffles
Then they claim that action is a reason to hate that person. when you ask if they dislike the other guy bc he also did that they say no.
snewsh
i think most of it is the media hyping it up to the millions degree cause "never trump"
fearinyou
I remember the Dems said "Bush left this mess" for like 3 years. That's what they all do.
WardSharlow
Do you remember 2008-2009 at all? Compared to now, it was a disaster by any metric.
Beelsebooob
"The country was left in a bad state" is entirely different from "some of them were corrupt, therefore all of us should be allowed to be"
mitharas
And it's true to some extend. Many changes can't take effect in the span of a few months or even years.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Bush got $200B surplus, left $1.4 annual deficit, 2 wars off books, crashing EVERYTHING and losing 800k/MONTH. That's a mess if ever.
Jomini001
Hah, bro they're still saying it to defend Pres. Obama from criticism.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Quite the exact opposite; Republicans blame Obama for everything while ignoring the shit state Bush left and the great recession.
Jomini001
How is that the opposite of what left wing politicians are doing in regards to defending president obamas record?
Jomini001
I'll say it plainly since you don't read gud Both sides are doing it. The comment I initially responded to was claiming only republicans do
Ellimem
"But the Democrats" is the biggest defense that is being used now. To an unprecedented degree.
snewsh
this shit is never cared about under a democratic presidency but suddenly when theres a republican its "unprecedented"
H00LIGAN6
The liberal bias here is overwhelming! Downvote me - I don't care.
SnugglesaurusRex
Liberal bias = bias toward truth
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Tunisia
In fairness most of the term was spent dealing with the financial crash which happened under Bush, and Republican banking regulations.
TraitorousTrump3
the banking regulations were the fault of both sides. The banks paid everybody.
BananaForScaIe
Yeah started with Clinton then fully enacted by Bush.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Bush actually tried to push to fix that, both the dems and gop blew him off.
BananaForScaIe
And fallout from two fake wars...
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
The wars were very real.
Angryone
Democrat banking regulations, it was a Democrat Congress after all. So I mean blame Bush.
craze
it was more due to the housing bubble and subprime mortgage loans causing a domino effect with the banks.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Caused by retarded banking regulations, predating Bush, that Bush actually tried to prevent. But he didn't try to veto it.
Jomini001
Lmao unprecedented? How old are you?
Hulme
Should it be 'unpresidented'?
Jomini001
What?
Hulme
A) Why 'lmao how old are you' for someone using 'unprecedented'? B) Google 'Trump unpresidented'.
PrimePowerOn
Walk into this shit show to make spelling jokes. Brave.
Hulme