Remember when Pelosi's husband was attacked with a hammer in the middle of the night, and instead of being horrified, Republicans speculated that it was a homosexual lover and laughed about it? If we are going to be accused of being just as bad no matter what we do, we might as well be just as bad.
The shooter was almost certainly Charlie Kirk's disgruntled homosexual lover. It is funny that he got shot.
Has this meme ever been used correctly? In the original scene the (presumably) father is contrasting his son's behavior with Bart's (not pictured). The character who should be labelled 'KIRK SHOOTER' is out of frame to the left.
Are you kidding or just being ignorant of the power that Kirk wielded from his involvement in so many Right Wing organizations. He wasn't just on Tiktok, he was everywhere with millions of dollars backing him up.
I understand the desire to try to de-legitimize people like this, but it's important not to fail in the same way the left has been failing for years. We have failed to even SEE the hidden war going on around us. A war of ideology, propaganda, and psychology. The mechanism and medium may change, but make no mistake, these people ARE political figures, with as much or more power & influence than traditional state-level legislators.
nobody elected this guy, that is the difference. and its a big difference between a angry pro gun podcaster getting shot himself (love the hubris tho) and a anti abortion bible humping nutjob murdering the leader of the state house democratic caucus, the spouse, their fucking dog AND a frigging state senator and his wife. that does not even come close to the same thing.
And in america one of our highest values is supposed to be freedom of speech. The kid was an absolute shit head and I would have loved to knock him out, but we can't condone assassinating people just because we don't like the message they are sending. Some shit head red probably now wants to retaliate, and if it turns into a " we killed your guy because you killed our guy" it could get ugly very fast. I'm not trying to deal with a civil war.
I don’t agree with that. If someone is causing seriously damage to society with their speech, then surely society would be better off without them. I realize there are practical problems with implementing that, but I don’t think our desire for freedom of speech is worth unlimited damage to society.
The problem with that is it's based on your opinion. How many reds think any liberal speaker is causing serious damage? I think what Kirk spoke was horrible but he had the right to speak it. What you have to worry about is the people that where listening to him.
Maybe that’ll keep doing it and eventually get to someone important.
Kirk was a raging egomaniacal bigot who got drunk on his own hype and decided to make it every student’s problem. But at the end of the day, he was just a propaganda vessel. His death won’t move the needle. Maybe both sides feel a little less safe, and maybe that was the point, but also, unless the Epstein Files were hidden behind Kirk’s larynx, nothing has changed.
Shoulda gone for Elon, could pin the Epstein files on him, stolen Tesla and his wealth through nefarious means and scared everyone not just uppity commentators who veer from state approved outrages.
I don't believe that, simply because it was objectively a bad shot.
If you want to drop him where he sits, go for the apricot (brainstem). If you want maximum horror and gore, go for the straight headshot, turn his noggin into pink mist on live TV.
At 175 yards, a trained sniper could do either of those while half-asleep. IMO this was a near-miss headshot attempt, most likely a 100 yard zero and forgetting to hold over.
Right, that's what I'm saying. A trained marksman would never go for the throat, but a fanatic with a good deer rifle and decent but not remarkable shooting skills would go for the head and miss just enough to hit the throat.
Yup. This is their 'casus belli' to tighten their fascist grip. The way Trump declared Kirk was dead, even before the hospital did, was already extremely sus. This screams 'inside job' and, sadly, they'll get away with it because the Democrats and the media are a bunch a spineless p*****s.
Of course it wouldn't be surprising. They've done so much, plus the FBI has released insane plans from before this admin. I say its more likely an inside job than anyone else doing it on any side of the aisle
its kinda funny/weird. You want to feel like its just aluminum foil hat level stuff. But then you look at the republican party and you are like... "Well maybe???"
In July 2025, commentator Charlie Kirk called for the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files and criticized the handling of the case by the Trump administration. (He later walked back his statements after speaking with President Trump)
You're really gullible and stupid if you believe that. Like bottom 10% of the intelligence pool sort of stupid, right down there with the qanon and flat earthers.
They staged an assassination, encouraged and enabled 9/11, and are capable of quietly assassinating warlords and dictators globally that we only find out about because they brag about it for political benefit. The only reason we found out about them disappearing immigrants is because they're coming for a LOT of them. The number of people required to arrange this is 3, and none of them have to be Trump (who would, absolutely, not be able to shut his mouth)
On that note, I'm actually JFK Jr and I was never killed, I need you to send me all of your money because I've infiltrated Trump's cabinet and I need funds to get my family's fortune out of a Nigerian escrow account. Will you help me? All the other gullible qanon idiots are sending me their money, won't you do the same?
They had a lookalike fall guy, and had him record an anti trump message, they convinced him that he'd, at worst, go to jail until they caught the "real" shooter. But, yeah, who knows what ideological BS they used to convince him to shoot bystanders
I want you to go to your corner and think about that statement. Picture the level of competence exhibited by these clowns when they say . . . need to effectively lie about the Epstein files. Now apply that to pulling something like this off :D Conspiracy theories work better for the other side because we really are smarter than them, and stuff we pull off genuinely does look like magic from their point of view.
Trump is an idiot but the people guiding him to do their bidding are most certainly not. Underestimating them because their figurehead is a buffoon is a dangerous mistake
In that case: why would they choose probably their most influential mouthpiece to the youth vote? Like you said - they aren't idiots, they're not going to get rid of a hugely valuable asset like Kirk.
He’s hugely known so it grabs the attention of even less political people- no one would care if it was some TikTok podcaster with 50k subscribers. He’s far from irreplaceable- there is a literal pipeline of right wing bros ready to take his spot. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but there’s only one person in MAGA that can’t be discarded and replaced when they stop being useful.
emu314159127001
Textbook.
TofuGolem
Remember when Pelosi's husband was attacked with a hammer in the middle of the night, and instead of being horrified, Republicans speculated that it was a homosexual lover and laughed about it? If we are going to be accused of being just as bad no matter what we do, we might as well be just as bad.
The shooter was almost certainly Charlie Kirk's disgruntled homosexual lover. It is funny that he got shot.
Oatmealman1
Replace 'political figure' with Nazi traitor
tctr13
They're the same shooter and in both instances did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do.
johnxbear
Well one shooter very much died so it's kinda hard to be the same guy
HobbstheTiger
I've been waiting for someone to make this meme
Bojovnik84
Trump's was staged, KKKirk's was not.
RyanH42
Both were false flags.
qazul
This website is full of cancer like you.
Howlingowl
Try posting that on your non-burner account, coward.
Niagaran
Sorry, are we offending your 30min-old account? Not licking enough boot for ya?
Jandegrote
How can you say that the entire website is full of cancer after 30 minutes :)?
NexusOverlord
You pedo-lovers ARE the cancer
FBNMcCloud
Has this meme ever been used correctly? In the original scene the (presumably) father is contrasting his son's behavior with Bart's (not pictured). The character who should be labelled 'KIRK SHOOTER' is out of frame to the left.
johnxbear
That's the nature of memes. It's impossible to label someone not pictured
NapoleonTrousersnakeBonaparte
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlOWF1azYzamt0YXFnbGo5YzlsMnVjN2txY2JpdG11NXdqM3ExcHUzNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/oR8xobGxob0cg/200w.mp4
FireSolvesProblems
One's a profession the other is a mental disorder,ugh, can you put mom on?
myfirstandlastpostever
I never ask to put mom on, I always asked to put dad on to signify the gravity of the situation.
itsokimaussie
https://youtu.be/9NZDwZbyDus
FireSolvesProblems
certainlynotaserialkiller
he wasnt even a political figure. he was a tiktok influencer.
freshthrowaway1138
Are you kidding or just being ignorant of the power that Kirk wielded from his involvement in so many Right Wing organizations. He wasn't just on Tiktok, he was everywhere with millions of dollars backing him up.
johnxbear
Who had Avery political message. And was a figure for that message.....
gemaeuer
we live in times where tiktokers have more political influence than actual politicians
FussyZeus
They would do well to remember that being an influencer doesn't come with secret service protection then.
loismustdie
I understand the desire to try to de-legitimize people like this, but it's important not to fail in the same way the left has been failing for years. We have failed to even SEE the hidden war going on around us. A war of ideology, propaganda, and psychology. The mechanism and medium may change, but make no mistake, these people ARE political figures, with as much or more power & influence than traditional state-level legislators.
certainlynotaserialkiller
nobody elected this guy, that is the difference. and its a big difference between a angry pro gun podcaster getting shot himself (love the hubris tho) and a anti abortion bible humping nutjob murdering the leader of the state house democratic caucus, the spouse, their fucking dog AND a frigging state senator and his wife. that does not even come close to the same thing.
certainlynotaserialkiller
drGrafenberg
I know this is very unpolular but still, don't make this a competition of what extremist wing can most efficiently kill politicians... or...
supremediggiti
Kirk was just a podcaster, he didn’t make any difference in political action
innagaddavidababy
I don’t think that’s true at all. Speech has impact.
frosss
And in america one of our highest values is supposed to be freedom of speech. The kid was an absolute shit head and I would have loved to knock him out, but we can't condone assassinating people just because we don't like the message they are sending. Some shit head red probably now wants to retaliate, and if it turns into a " we killed your guy because you killed our guy" it could get ugly very fast. I'm not trying to deal with a civil war.
innagaddavidababy
I don’t agree with that. If someone is causing seriously damage to society with their speech, then surely society would be better off without them. I realize there are practical problems with implementing that, but I don’t think our desire for freedom of speech is worth unlimited damage to society.
frosss
The problem with that is it's based on your opinion. How many reds think any liberal speaker is causing serious damage? I think what Kirk spoke was horrible but he had the right to speak it. What you have to worry about is the people that where listening to him.
johnxbear
Or we might lose a bunch of useless politicians? https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1eXFvZGx2MnFxczh1OWk4ODQwdzc3enloZ2RvZ2h2NjU4bDU4NnZwaSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/mPBjye7w4SBlHjR6ZF/200w.webp
detectivepopcornmmmmm
Or we make a bunch of martyrs for people to rally behind and embolden their already crazy rhetoric. Hooray...
unableraven
Yeah thats why they did it themselves, to give their base a martyr
drGrafenberg
A lot of politicians...
thedarklord187
To be fair it seems like they are all in the Epstein files since they won't release them so nothing of value will be lost.
drGrafenberg
Well, the point is that it can spread to other than Epstein types.
Illinifan88
Eh. The "attempted assassin" in Pennsylvania did what he was supposed to. Make Trump look like a victim.
They decided to up the ante this time and actually kill someone of note, but it obviously couldn't be Trump. Kirk was disposable to them.
modis
Maybe that’ll keep doing it and eventually get to someone important.
Kirk was a raging egomaniacal bigot who got drunk on his own hype and decided to make it every student’s problem. But at the end of the day, he was just a propaganda vessel. His death won’t move the needle. Maybe both sides feel a little less safe, and maybe that was the point, but also, unless the Epstein Files were hidden behind Kirk’s larynx, nothing has changed.
myfirstandlastpostever
Shoulda gone for Elon, could pin the Epstein files on him, stolen Tesla and his wealth through nefarious means and scared everyone not just uppity commentators who veer from state approved outrages.
PballQhead
I don't believe that, simply because it was objectively a bad shot.
If you want to drop him where he sits, go for the apricot (brainstem). If you want maximum horror and gore, go for the straight headshot, turn his noggin into pink mist on live TV.
At 175 yards, a trained sniper could do either of those while half-asleep. IMO this was a near-miss headshot attempt, most likely a 100 yard zero and forgetting to hold over.
Illinifan88
Doesn't have to be some trained marksman. There are enough loons on the dark web that want to start a civil war that would be happy to do it.
PballQhead
Right, that's what I'm saying. A trained marksman would never go for the throat, but a fanatic with a good deer rifle and decent but not remarkable shooting skills would go for the head and miss just enough to hit the throat.
DiscoveredByTheGermansIn1904
Yup. This is their 'casus belli' to tighten their fascist grip. The way Trump declared Kirk was dead, even before the hospital did, was already extremely sus. This screams 'inside job' and, sadly, they'll get away with it because the Democrats and the media are a bunch a spineless p*****s.
StarmineRendezvous
I don't actually believe this but it also wouldn't surprise me in the least. Sucks living in a world where it's not too unlikely.
unableraven
Of course it wouldn't be surprising. They've done so much, plus the FBI has released insane plans from before this admin. I say its more likely an inside job than anyone else doing it on any side of the aisle
TripleDane
its kinda funny/weird. You want to feel like its just aluminum foil hat level stuff. But then you look at the republican party and you are like... "Well maybe???"
boevis
Both were on orders from Trump's people
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
Ask yourself this:
Why was his death announced by Trump? How did he know before anyone else?
Do we think the attending physician told him? Or did the shooter?
xj4low
Starting to sound like QAonon up in here. Could we please hold off of the conspiracy theories.
freshthrowaway1138
Add it to the BluAnon umbrella.
guitarfourtysix
In July 2025, commentator Charlie Kirk called for the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files and criticized the handling of the case by the Trump administration. (He later walked back his statements after speaking with President Trump)
Trunkmonkay
You're really gullible and stupid if you believe that. Like bottom 10% of the intelligence pool sort of stupid, right down there with the qanon and flat earthers.
Sullivanish
It's an appealing narrative, but I'm unconvinced that they have the competence required, either to pull it off or to keep it quiet.
boevis
They staged an assassination, encouraged and enabled 9/11, and are capable of quietly assassinating warlords and dictators globally that we only find out about because they brag about it for political benefit. The only reason we found out about them disappearing immigrants is because they're coming for a LOT of them. The number of people required to arrange this is 3, and none of them have to be Trump (who would, absolutely, not be able to shut his mouth)
PolarHailStorm
The latter is the biggest thing. They would not be able to shut up about it, or use it to make themselves seem better than others.
acetothermus
I've become more and more convinced of this.
Trunkmonkay
You're pretty easy to convince then.
On that note, I'm actually JFK Jr and I was never killed, I need you to send me all of your money because I've infiltrated Trump's cabinet and I need funds to get my family's fortune out of a Nigerian escrow account. Will you help me? All the other gullible qanon idiots are sending me their money, won't you do the same?
johnxbear
Yeah but the trump guy still had an opportunity to end all our troubles. Makes you wonder what they told him.
boevis
They had a lookalike fall guy, and had him record an anti trump message, they convinced him that he'd, at worst, go to jail until they caught the "real" shooter. But, yeah, who knows what ideological BS they used to convince him to shoot bystanders
haveanupvotegif
If you believe that conspiracy, why do you assume they gave him live ammunition instead of him just using fake blood?
johnxbear
The bodies behind him only add legitimacy to his claim. He sacrificed his own cult members for votes.
RowanUnderwood
I want you to go to your corner and think about that statement. Picture the level of competence exhibited by these clowns when they say . . . need to effectively lie about the Epstein files. Now apply that to pulling something like this off :D Conspiracy theories work better for the other side because we really are smarter than them, and stuff we pull off genuinely does look like magic from their point of view.
johnxbear
It doesn't take a genius to hire a hit man. Just money. Which the right has been pandering to those with it for a while now
boevis
Their defense against the Epstein files has been extraordinary, are you kidding? You're also comparing apples and oranges
ricbri695
Trump is an idiot but the people guiding him to do their bidding are most certainly not. Underestimating them because their figurehead is a buffoon is a dangerous mistake
loma45
In that case: why would they choose probably their most influential mouthpiece to the youth vote? Like you said - they aren't idiots, they're not going to get rid of a hugely valuable asset like Kirk.
ricbri695
He’s hugely known so it grabs the attention of even less political people- no one would care if it was some TikTok podcaster with 50k subscribers. He’s far from irreplaceable- there is a literal pipeline of right wing bros ready to take his spot. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but there’s only one person in MAGA that can’t be discarded and replaced when they stop being useful.