There's a game called Star Trucker, its basically just American Truck Sim but with an extra dimension involved. Also has a micro-economy of trading small cargo in your cabin. Clothing cartons look exactly like this.
Realizing why suddenly explains to me why such an item would cost five grand.
Last time I had to have a suit shipped, it was in a box as big as a Very Elaborate tombstone that ended up filling most of my recycle bin. I actually prefer this.
A friend of mine who’d spent a fair amount of time homeless taught me to roll my clothes when I pack and it’s made a big difference in how they look when I unpack at my destination.
Sorry, it was very positive. Take a little care when arranging things like sleeves and then roll them up like doobie and you can pack them tightly without wrinkling.
Positive. If you stack and roll cloths like a sleeping bag it's easier to store the rolls, and they take up less space. This product ain't gonna do either of those things though.
Ironically you do NOT want to roll your sleeping bag, especially if you put it in a compression bag. It strains seams and their isolation and weatherproofing values go down over time with repeated strain this way.
Shipping is also more expensive when having irregular shapes. This thing basically is one of those boxes that might end up having to be manually handled since it might roll on the conveyor belts.
You know what's better than recycling? Not using the resource in the first place. It's the 3 Rs of Reduce, Reuse, Recycle in that order because recycling is supposed to be the last and least desired option.
You are right, but in this capitalist world consumers want and pay for packaging. Using cardboard is an alternative to plastic, a way to minimize damage. What would be the other option?
Your choosing between the worst and the bad option is a false dichotomy. Would a simple box be sufficient? Would less material be needed. Is sending individually wrapped suits a logical idea or a late stage nightmare.
Not between the worst and the worst, between the worst and the LEAST worst. I asked you what the alternative to cardboard and plastic would be and you didn't answer.
think of the energy required to harvest and pulp wood, make carboard, cut it to this shape, ship it to a store, and then to you -- all for a disposable way to avoid wrinkles
That suit may last a long time with proper care. That cardboard won't, and can be recycled. On the other hand, we could also use a bazillion more plastic bags, eh? /s
There's a reason cardboard is ubiquitous - the raw material is wood, a renewable resources, and the processing power to turn it into cut cardboard in mass is virtually zero. It's also amazingly biodegradable.
No party like a TAPPI party cause... Whatever. I haven't found any use for my four year degree in pulp and paper science besides arguing on the interwebs.
Most fabrics seem to be cotton mixed with synthetic fabrics nowadays. But if people can find and afford cotton and wool and whatever nonsynthetic fabrics that's great.
On the positive side, when it comes to cotton and polyester, at least, the raw material cost is a small enough proportion of the total item that I've never noticed a difference.
The only real benefit I can think of is if your goal isn't to ship it, but to transport it yourself without the risk of creases that come from folding or tight rollling? Even then, you'd be better off just putting it on a hanger bag in your car. I guess you could argue this is specifically for people need to carry a suit somewhere to change into it without wrinkling, don't have cars, and aren't traveling with a free hand to hold a hanger bag. So nowhere near enough people to justify a product.
i was wondering if this is a gag or something, but if it's for actual shipment "container" then yeah, this is beyond stupidity... all that talk about wasting stuff & then they do this...
If you want an expensive suit get a tailored one. Buying it off the rack is silly and not really worth the extra money over a well tailored one unless your intended is to brag with the brand.
You can get a good suit in a shop, and get them to take it in and up etc. Not as nice, but cheaper. But that shop got the suit delivered in a cardboard box.
Or you go to your local tailor, support a local small business, get a banger one of a kind suit and reduce the amount of shit that needs to be packaged and shipped
They both are most likely going to be converted into fuel. The bag involved significantly less material, and is therefore intrinsically superior. Remember: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle is in order of impact (and therefore importance)
> Easily recyclable > plastic Pick one. Recycling also involves collection and sorting, and most of the gazillion types of plastics are too cheap per kilo for recycling to compete with virgin. PET has the advantage of being found in large clusters with a consistent composition.
MusclesUncle
My pants in a box, girl 🎶
doctorId
What's wrong with a regular box?
jgjgjgjgjgjgjg
Where's the jacket hanger?
klean9
So it can get wet
MarkoffChaney
When I worked at a warehouse, we just used paper bags for clothes and small, non-fragile stuff.
KarmaciouS
It's like shipping a smartphone in a 50" tv box
FungusForge
There's a game called Star Trucker, its basically just American Truck Sim but with an extra dimension involved. Also has a micro-economy of trading small cargo in your cabin. Clothing cartons look exactly like this.
Realizing why suddenly explains to me why such an item would cost five grand.
Randomice
But when it arrives it will look like this:
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Thanks FedEx
imgureeeee
... and empty
Fulustreka
You're terrible hahah
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlM3BlZHU1ZmNwM3h1YzVqeHFjdTU5YzFlMmZob3g2am85Y2x3NWN2dSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/lITU7sHCdxE7RAV77V/giphy.mp4
SimianSeminar
Sounds broken. .....Most likely Sir, but I bet it was something nice
taurondir
If you send a box anywhere maybe don't write TARGET on it as some people might take that literally.
DOcelot1
And that's a monitor https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZWN1M3l4cnNmcG55MmZ4enM5b2J3bmNkZnM1ZW4yODM3anlmM2h0bSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3o6Zt4HU9uwXmXSAuI/200w.webp
Trelis
Well, hopefully they weren't rolling up the monitor like OPs post anyhow.
zoltarpanaflex
Last time I had to have a suit shipped, it was in a box as big as a Very Elaborate tombstone that ended up filling most of my recycle bin. I actually prefer this.
Bombaso
redtails2649
Works for me, where to get these?
gumblemuntz
kahooki
Hexagons are bestagons.
Nanntuckett
I’m a sucker for a good hexagonal prism
nclu
Hexagons are the bestagons
wadatahmydamie
Super Hexagons are pretty brutal though
nclu
I am also a big fan of scutoids
drduffer
A friend of mine who’d spent a fair amount of time homeless taught me to roll my clothes when I pack and it’s made a big difference in how they look when I unpack at my destination.
soulseekbob2320
Roll doobies, not clothes
JackieTreehornProductions
L4dead2
We rolled our clothes in basic training and found it pretty effective to this day
Doompug
Could you specify if the big difference was positive or negative?
drduffer
Sorry, it was very positive. Take a little care when arranging things like sleeves and then roll them up like doobie and you can pack them tightly without wrinkling.
jimjong1
Positive. If you stack and roll cloths like a sleeping bag it's easier to store the rolls, and they take up less space. This product ain't gonna do either of those things though.
DeKetsendeRechter
Ironically you do NOT want to roll your sleeping bag, especially if you put it in a compression bag.
It strains seams and their isolation and weatherproofing values go down over time with repeated strain this way.
DragoWhooves
this looks more for shipping than storage
uglywerewolf
Box looks expensive
Hoogemast
Shipping is also more expensive when having irregular shapes. This thing basically is one of those boxes that might end up having to be manually handled since it might roll on the conveyor belts.
SixtyBlackbirds
A kilo of cardboard and 8x the labor and shipping cost just to avoid wrinkling your clothing. What a world to live in.
Fulustreka
Cardboard is recyclable.
LaronX
You know what's better than recycling? Not using the resource in the first place. It's the 3 Rs of Reduce, Reuse, Recycle in that order because recycling is supposed to be the last and least desired option.
Fulustreka
You are right, but in this capitalist world consumers want and pay for packaging. Using cardboard is an alternative to plastic, a way to minimize damage. What would be the other option?
LaronX
Your choosing between the worst and the bad option is a false dichotomy. Would a simple box be sufficient? Would less material be needed. Is sending individually wrapped suits a logical idea or a late stage nightmare.
Fulustreka
Not between the worst and the worst, between the worst and the LEAST worst. I asked you what the alternative to cardboard and plastic would be and you didn't answer.
SixtyBlackbirds
Yes, a smaller, simpler cardboard box would also be recyclable. And cheaper to ship. And quicker to stuff.
This is a solution in search of a problem.
ModernVoodooApostasy
think of the energy required to harvest and pulp wood, make carboard, cut it to this shape, ship it to a store, and then to you -- all for a disposable way to avoid wrinkles
Elonth
not to mention the massive amount of space this wastes for 1 outfit.
OliverOtter
I know, right? It's like they think wood pulp grows on trees or something.
Johnsky
... I get the impression none of this will matter soon. We will be stitching our own clothes together soon.
ModernVoodooApostasy
ugh, yeah
GrowinWildontheFunnyFarm
That suit may last a long time with proper care. That cardboard won't, and can be recycled. On the other hand, we could also use a bazillion more plastic bags, eh? /s
TheShirePony
There's a reason cardboard is ubiquitous - the raw material is wood, a renewable resources, and the processing power to turn it into cut cardboard in mass is virtually zero. It's also amazingly biodegradable.
jejorda2
Yes, wood is renewable. No, you don't break beta linkages in lignin and remove 100g of water per 1g of cellulose fiber without using a lot of energy.
CompletelyUniqueUsername
But that energy comes from the waste pulp. So it really doesn't matter.
barfpony
This dude is fun at very specific types of parties
jejorda2
No party like a TAPPI party cause... Whatever. I haven't found any use for my four year degree in pulp and paper science besides arguing on the interwebs.
barfpony
tbh that sounds so niche it seems like there'd be some kind of work out there for it
Corrodias
Agreed. If a piece of clothing can't handle being folded, we should use better fabrics. And "costs more" is not a substitute for "better".
MaleProstateMilker88
We have mountains of fabrics with plastic in them now, though. Trying to get rid of them probably contributed to the microplastic-situation.
Corrodias
Cotton seems to work fine.
MaleProstateMilker88
Most fabrics seem to be cotton mixed with synthetic fabrics nowadays. But if people can find and afford cotton and wool and whatever nonsynthetic fabrics that's great.
Corrodias
On the positive side, when it comes to cotton and polyester, at least, the raw material cost is a small enough proportion of the total item that I've never noticed a difference.
jackpkmn
We should start with stopping manufacturing of clothing with the express intent of shipping it directly to landfill.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Yes... because we manufacture too much of it. Legitimately fast fashion like 80-90% of it is never sold.
messedabout
Fucking wasteful. Just mail it out in a bag. This is stupid
JT1984
So instead of using cheap biodegradable cardboard they should add to plastic pollution and that's somehow less wasteful. Got it /s
MeekrabJones
The only real benefit I can think of is if your goal isn't to ship it, but to transport it yourself without the risk of creases that come from folding or tight rollling? Even then, you'd be better off just putting it on a hanger bag in your car. I guess you could argue this is specifically for people need to carry a suit somewhere to change into it without wrinkling, don't have cars, and aren't traveling with a free hand to hold a hanger bag. So nowhere near enough people to justify a product.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
But it's COMPLICATED and stupid .... so there's that.
messedabout
Both! Win win for unnecessary needed product design
Snezko
i was wondering if this is a gag or something, but if it's for actual shipment "container" then yeah, this is beyond stupidity... all that talk about wasting stuff & then they do this...
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
Fuck they!
melmboundanddown
Can't mail an expensive suit in a bag. Expensive suits are expensive, but they can last forever if treated well.
LaronX
If you want an expensive suit get a tailored one. Buying it off the rack is silly and not really worth the extra money over a well tailored one unless your intended is to brag with the brand.
melmboundanddown
You can get a good suit in a shop, and get them to take it in and up etc. Not as nice, but cheaper. But that shop got the suit delivered in a cardboard box.
WindowStreetJournal
No matter how it was made, it still may need to be shipped.
LaronX
Or you go to your local tailor, support a local small business, get a banger one of a kind suit and reduce the amount of shit that needs to be packaged and shipped
JT1984
Or you need to travel somewhere and need your suit, and don't want it to get wrinkled or damaged.
WindowStreetJournal
"Local tailor" nowadays can only exist in larger cities, so shipping still may be needed. Also, when you are moving.
MrBananaPants
What's the bag made of?
thisiswhyicanthaveanythingnice
Paper
ConfederacyOfDunces
They make layered-paper bags that are good for mailing soft and small objects and use less total material n
MrBananaPants
I have never seen one, but this is a good answer. There's always plastic inside the ones I've gotten.
Fulustreka
Plastic 💔
johnnothing
Kangaroo scrotums.
76000BatteryLlamas
Black rhino leather
maincarrot
*ships it in a bag full of plastic straws and styrofoam*
implosion3
The scrotum of a bull
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JT1984
I think this also prevents the suit from getting wrinkled, which a bag does not prevent.
dualplains
Only about 5% of plastic is actually recyclable.
HelloMyNamesInigoMontoya
Paper? Is cardboard not just thick paper? Which is much, much more recyclable than plastic, as well as biodegradable.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
They both are most likely going to be converted into fuel. The bag involved significantly less material, and is therefore intrinsically superior. Remember: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle is in order of impact (and therefore importance)
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
I am assuming that this is a paper shipping sac, not a plastic one
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
> Easily recyclable
> plastic
Pick one. Recycling also involves collection and sorting, and most of the gazillion types of plastics are too cheap per kilo for recycling to compete with virgin. PET has the advantage of being found in large clusters with a consistent composition.
wolfenstien98
Yay! More single use plastics! I love having microplastics in my balls!
BennyT1000
That's why I empty mine as often as possible. Because of the microplastics.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
I like it, it's tingly!
Wankbiscuit
I can't imagine a bag made from Christ is going to be cheap though.
misterCT
Actually it’s made from bread. You just gotta wish on it really hard and it BECOMES Christ. Huuuge cost savings!
RunsWithBullShit
A hand bag made out of communion wafers doesn't sound too expensive.