Dec 18, 2012 2:24 AM
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utgort
TIL that people showing the relative size of the US don't include Alaska.
Chrysanthymum
TIL a lot. But seriously, thanks for sharing.
titsandcrackers
I...love you, fellow Imgurian. And I'm not afraid to shout it from the rooftops.
MisterWho
We have a somewhat favorable opinion of you too.
LordJohnSnowball
However, this would involve going outside. A big NoNo for Imgurians
MrPlowThatsMyNameThatNameAgainIsMrPlow
"I'm ugly and I'm proud! I'm ugly and I'm proud! I'm ugly and I'm proud! I'm ugly and I'm proud! I'm ugly and I'm proud!"
NerdyBird92
+1 for spongebob
CrazyAnimal
I didn't want it to stop...
pc404
I feel you
amyrose
They don't want you to stop that either
Just look up any one of these in wikipedia and say goodby to the rest of your day.
TheSchmitty16
So true.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
+1, This is how reading this felt: http://imgur.com/Gp0Mj
thewanderingcookier
Jerry O'Connell?
Sinceiwasayoungboyiplayedwithsilverballz
And it tastes really good!
cranberryblueberrysauce
that made me giggle :)
guggeriet
vwiese
WHERE CAN I GET THAT DRINK?! I'll get ALL the science-diabetes from it!
zenwtd
Not exactly science...but I like it.
YooperImgurian
+1 million
bonko
expected the derpy version
genericaccount12345
I would like this so much more if that was a Coca-cola can.
interiorcrocodilealligatoridriveachevroletmovietheater
John Tyler's grandson really amazed me.
shinykrittle
Same here! I had to go look it up. He's 84!!
Ghoppr71
It's true about President Tyler's grandson...blown away: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/01/president-tyler-grandson-alive.html
innernette0
Last one exploded my life.
GoogleFucker
These facts are awesome, but for some reason, I just don't understand the glass of water and ocean one :(
Wuz314159
The wording is confusing. It's akin to more stars in the sky than grains of sand on Earth. if that helps any
thatshowyougetantsithink
That fact about the spring has to be blatantly wrong. Mass of an object does not change as such weight cannot change with a constant g.
djrage70
Cleopatra was white??
twoshady
all i really got from this was a side boob shot of Elizabeth Taylor.
Dozerguy
This one made me sign up. +1
jimjackboredom
MORE...AHORA!
kitcatty
I don't understand how Beyonce relates to the amount of bacteria in your body...
blazera
TIL I weigh less than 18 pounds, if most of me is 9 pounds of bacteria.
Resurrectionist
Quantity, not weight.
walkernotskywalker
Read the Cubs, fact...BURN!
cloakofwinter
I would upvote this hourly for every year they have failed to win, but I'd actually like to see my children go off to college.
IknowVictoriasSecret
I feel that burn man, I feel it hard.
jimmybilly100
Yeah, that ain't right!
PeetieTheSexualHarassmentPanda
As a St.Louis Cardinals fan i approve
slashleylizette
As a cards fan to another cards fan, high five!
buzzyourgirlfriendwoof
I was really hoping this was one long, elaborate way of making fun of the Cubs.
slothgooey
Why do you hate us? Hating the Cubs is like being pissed that a kid fell down and broke his leg
tbast
twist: FalseFacts posted this
getwiser
I don't understaaaand
Koantum
I almost believed this because some of these facts are false...
fdisk
This was the first thing I checked before I started reading.
Iaimtomisbehave
Damn it, you got me. Scrolled back up to check.
Ifrackinggoogledit
Was about to scroll back, saw your comment ;)
grubbiz
Directed by M Night Shylaman
observationalist
I miss him :(
FalseFacts
Do you now?
MexiTaco
LOL ... we almost threw a party!
ITS YOU!!!! :D :D :D <3
HeyFolks
I love all those post soo much. Sadly I forget about them 10 minutes later. Keep 'em coming though
defordn
btw i calculated it and the human population takes 302,400,000,000,000 breaths a day
TJmuthafuckinDetweilers
Its amazing that Cleopatra lived so long ago yet they were able to get such a clear color photo of her
opinionatedposter
LOL!
elpurofresh
instagram...
StrudelsAndDoodles
And such a great action shot of those Romans in the stadium!
ercdig
It's Lindsay Lohan
Hitlerdideverythingwrong
Well they used the Tardis, duh!
beijomacio
Yeah and we only have black and white photos of the moon...
AwetasticAdventures
And she had hairy arms, which is ok, really.
secondcoming
I find that very ok
ladybuglove
Bwahaha!!!
jmfreeman21
I'm just as surprised that they got some decent pictures of some dinosaurs too!
Disastromatic
Cleopatra 69....B.C...aww yeah.
vinnynet
That's Elizabeth Taylor
Goila
There are real sculptures and paintings of Cleopatra. I wonder why they didn't use one of those.
Aesthetics?
samsonguy920
Would it really matter? Do you honestly think today's media invented the brush-up?
Interesting thought. S'pose we'll never know. It doesn't "matter" so much as it would be a more fascinating photo.
maphistopfeelies
As an artist, I think you would 'touch up' any contemporary painting of your ruler. It's... healthier.
HatsAreEssential
And that she had such white boobs when she lived in a desert...
TravNel
Actually that makes sense since the aristocracy was usually protected from the outside, sunlight and all.
MistakenGenetials
BOOBS!
puffinsgonnapuff
She was not actually an Egyptian. She was part of a Greek family that ruled over Egypt after Alexander the great died.
keeperofthepath
This right here, part of Ptolemys house if I remember my history.
laura378
ding* ding* You are correct!
Gmoney1401
nsfw on cleopatra please?
jessebear89
It would take 42, not 45 minutes to drop something through a hole all the way through Earth...I stopped reading after that.
toomanypubes
That Jupiter fact is wrong. Jupiter would almost cover the entire sky.
Voojagig
That one is questionable because they don't specify if it is the surface or the center mass of Jupiter that is in place of the moon.
remembergoliad
I don't really believe the thing about the spring.
neither did I but I looked it up and fuck me it is true!
DanCutter
Yeah, that was the one that I questioned, also.....
iPhoneHome
e=mc^2 biaaaaatch
DynamicMeerkat
It's like saying my hand weighs more when I'm pushing down on the scale instead of just resting, which is dumb if you ask me.
trywearinpants
Good, because its false. Relativistic mass and rest mass are two different things. The idea is bad physics that looks right if you squint.
AutoF0cus
I'm pretty sure it's just because you have to push down on it to compress it.
p2tu
Do believe!http://debunkeymonkey.blogspot.com/2009/08/does-compressed-spring-weigh-more-than.html
veggied
Don't believe! Weighing the spring wouldn't show any difference, we aren't talking relativistic mass here...
There probably is mass difference though, but weighing it would be hard.
MrChurch
-1 for not understanding the difference between Mass and Weight. (see the picture about the spring.)
tomlewis
well the spring gains mass from the elastic energy stored, and this mass is also gravitationally attracted to the earth so it weighs more?
Energy isn't converted to mass by being stored. It is simply potential energy. I can see how the spring might become more dense by (1/2)
Have you heard of mass-energy equivalence?
Yes, but by that, put a ball on a shelf and its mass grows because of the increased potential energy.
it does? The gain in mass is proportional to E/c^2 which would be around 0.00000000000000001 kg so it does gain mass and therefore weight.
compression, but then its volume decreases leaving both the mass and the weight exactly the same. Hence, the -1. (or +1 for trolling?)
Timewellspenthere
Why is the true size of Africa different than it is on the globe?
ImInBetweenUsernames
Look closer at the Africa in the picture... Don't worry I didn't see it the first time either. :)
The Mercator Projection is flawed where land areas toward the poles do not translate. With adjustment Greenland appears bigger than Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection#Distortion
ianpaschal
Question: How do 2 to 9 lbs of bacteria cells make up more than 50% of my body?
reflectedsoundofundergroundspirits
Actually, its closer to a 10:1 ratio (10 bacteria cells to 1 human cell)
2arqu0n
A there's also water B this is about cell NUMBER, not mass, bacteria cells are way smaller than some body cells (bone, e.g.).
whatwut
Thank you! Came here to say that.
everyonesmom
Also, not everything in your body is actual body cells. There is also.. Erm.. Water!
Kofthefens
50% of the total number of cells. Each human cell is a lot larger and heavier than a bacterium.
durkadurkagirl
Bacteria cells are TINY compared to our cells, allowing them to outnumber our own but still only make up a small amount of our mass.
Morebasash
Well I only weigh 12 pound so this must be TRUE.
roney408
I LOVE stuff like this. I love learning cool and interesting things like this haha. Anybody got any cool sites like this?
itisntisit
two letters: QI
franklyidontgiveadamn
okay. this probably looks like spam but, believe whatever the fuck you want. this website is legit. http://www.omg-facts.com/
ScoobyDooWhereAreYou
Is it bad that I freaked out when I discovered that this website was created the guy who started Mugglenet.com?
AlsoKnownAsCharles
False, I compressed spring has the same weight, there's just pressure applied making the downward force greater.
hujaz
I expected someone with that kind of a username to at least know elementary physics...
Let's just stop yelling at me. One person tells me I'm wrong, I understand. There's no need to get 50 more Comments saying "you're dumb".
lobstrosity
i'm gonna upvote cause your name is AlbertEinstein which gives me the illusion you know what you are talking about.
MrPassion
Ironic that AlbertEinstein doesn't understand that mass and energy are relatable; addition of mass is an addition of energy, and vice versa.
According to REAL Einstein, it does weigh more: http://debunkeymonkey.blogspot.com/2009/08/does-compressed-spring-weigh-more-than.html
AlbertEinstein is clearly not the real Albert... what a fraud!
Shitty tit-balls! I'm sorry Imgur, I meant "a compressed...***" not "I compressed..." -_-
darthtofu
It's fly, we know what you mean. OP fucked up, that's the important thing.
shitty-tit balls just removed some of your credibility AlbertEinstein.
uzerok
Actually he is absolutely correct. Weight is rest mass combined with gravity, which does not change. But you can't change rest mass. 1/2
What you can change is relativistic mass by adding energy of any kind. (general) When you use physics terms you have to be very careful. 2/2
I understand what you're trying to say, But you can't change mass. Mass is Mass, what's there is there.... you cant take any away, or (1/2)
add any. It's impossible! And you sure as hell can't change gravity! 9.81m/s^2 It's not changing. (I need another comment, so this is 2/3)
W=mg.... and since you can't change either, the weight will be the same. Whether that spring is compressed or relaxed, it's the same.
Well, technically I suppose there is the mass defect where energy and mass are interchangeable. But this happens within the nuclei of an 1/2
atom and it would be ridiculous to even try to apply this principle to a macroscopic object like a spring. 2/2
usingthisforatest
They accounted for that, it's actually to do with an object's energy equalling its mass x c^2, so if you increase one side ...
15buckslittleman
yer you're right its e=mc^2. It should have mentioned its so minute it means nothing. But this applies to everything with added energy.
pooptallica
Poor Isaac Newton, his physics were proved useless by Einstein, and his calculus was created at the same time by Leibniz.
hold on... His physics have never been proved useless by anyone ever.
Lucky for him he was white and belonged to the prevailing empire of the time. And apparently an apple fell on his head. :P
...the other increases, so mass = energy divided by c^2. As c is the speed of light, any large increase in energy will only result in a...
small addition of mass, but out of all the people not to know e=mc^2!
froghopper
Not sure about the math, but considering the number of atoms would not change nor the gravity of said atoms, that must be an erroneous ass*.
emertonom
I also appreciated this irony.
derpyturtle
The spring one is true. When you compress the spring, it stores energy. When something stores energy, it gains mass. More energy=More Mass
Relativity fail. The spring fact is false.
http://debunkeymonkey.blogspot.com/2009/08/does-compressed-spring-weigh-more-than.html
exactly. read the comments there that explain why its wrong
discobambino
Holy crap, this is true! http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy99/phy99140.htm
WarChicken
Nope. A compressed spring does store energy, yet this energy is NOT converted to mass. it does not work that way.
I backed mine up with a .gov link, what have you got?
utgort
TIL that people showing the relative size of the US don't include Alaska.
Chrysanthymum
TIL a lot. But seriously, thanks for sharing.
titsandcrackers
I...love you, fellow Imgurian. And I'm not afraid to shout it from the rooftops.
MisterWho
We have a somewhat favorable opinion of you too.
LordJohnSnowball
However, this would involve going outside. A big NoNo for Imgurians
MrPlowThatsMyNameThatNameAgainIsMrPlow
"I'm ugly and I'm proud! I'm ugly and I'm proud! I'm ugly and I'm proud! I'm ugly and I'm proud! I'm ugly and I'm proud!"
NerdyBird92
+1 for spongebob
CrazyAnimal
I didn't want it to stop...
pc404
I feel you
amyrose
They don't want you to stop that either
MisterWho
Just look up any one of these in wikipedia and say goodby to the rest of your day.
TheSchmitty16
So true.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
+1, This is how reading this felt: http://imgur.com/Gp0Mj
thewanderingcookier
Jerry O'Connell?
Sinceiwasayoungboyiplayedwithsilverballz
And it tastes really good!
cranberryblueberrysauce
that made me giggle :)
guggeriet
vwiese
WHERE CAN I GET THAT DRINK?! I'll get ALL the science-diabetes from it!
zenwtd
Not exactly science...but I like it.
YooperImgurian
+1 million
bonko
expected the derpy version
genericaccount12345
I would like this so much more if that was a Coca-cola can.
interiorcrocodilealligatoridriveachevroletmovietheater
John Tyler's grandson really amazed me.
shinykrittle
Same here! I had to go look it up. He's 84!!
Ghoppr71
It's true about President Tyler's grandson...blown away: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/01/president-tyler-grandson-alive.html
innernette0
Last one exploded my life.
GoogleFucker
These facts are awesome, but for some reason, I just don't understand the glass of water and ocean one :(
Wuz314159
The wording is confusing. It's akin to more stars in the sky than grains of sand on Earth. if that helps any
thatshowyougetantsithink
That fact about the spring has to be blatantly wrong. Mass of an object does not change as such weight cannot change with a constant g.
djrage70
Cleopatra was white??
twoshady
all i really got from this was a side boob shot of Elizabeth Taylor.
Dozerguy
This one made me sign up. +1
jimjackboredom
MORE...AHORA!
kitcatty
I don't understand how Beyonce relates to the amount of bacteria in your body...
blazera
TIL I weigh less than 18 pounds, if most of me is 9 pounds of bacteria.
Resurrectionist
Quantity, not weight.
walkernotskywalker
Read the Cubs, fact...BURN!
cloakofwinter
I would upvote this hourly for every year they have failed to win, but I'd actually like to see my children go off to college.
IknowVictoriasSecret
I feel that burn man, I feel it hard.
jimmybilly100
Yeah, that ain't right!
PeetieTheSexualHarassmentPanda
As a St.Louis Cardinals fan i approve
slashleylizette
As a cards fan to another cards fan, high five!
buzzyourgirlfriendwoof
I was really hoping this was one long, elaborate way of making fun of the Cubs.
slothgooey
Why do you hate us? Hating the Cubs is like being pissed that a kid fell down and broke his leg
tbast
twist: FalseFacts posted this
getwiser
I don't understaaaand
Koantum
I almost believed this because some of these facts are false...
fdisk
This was the first thing I checked before I started reading.
Iaimtomisbehave
Damn it, you got me. Scrolled back up to check.
Ifrackinggoogledit
Was about to scroll back, saw your comment ;)
grubbiz
Directed by M Night Shylaman
observationalist
I miss him :(
FalseFacts
Do you now?
MexiTaco
LOL ... we almost threw a party!
observationalist
ITS YOU!!!! :D :D :D <3
HeyFolks
I love all those post soo much. Sadly I forget about them 10 minutes later. Keep 'em coming though
defordn
btw i calculated it and the human population takes 302,400,000,000,000 breaths a day
TJmuthafuckinDetweilers
Its amazing that Cleopatra lived so long ago yet they were able to get such a clear color photo of her
opinionatedposter
LOL!
elpurofresh
instagram...
StrudelsAndDoodles
And such a great action shot of those Romans in the stadium!
ercdig
It's Lindsay Lohan
Hitlerdideverythingwrong
Well they used the Tardis, duh!
beijomacio
Yeah and we only have black and white photos of the moon...
AwetasticAdventures
And she had hairy arms, which is ok, really.
secondcoming
I find that very ok
ladybuglove
Bwahaha!!!
jmfreeman21
I'm just as surprised that they got some decent pictures of some dinosaurs too!
Disastromatic
Cleopatra 69....B.C...aww yeah.
vinnynet
That's Elizabeth Taylor
Goila
There are real sculptures and paintings of Cleopatra. I wonder why they didn't use one of those.
StrudelsAndDoodles
Aesthetics?
samsonguy920
Would it really matter? Do you honestly think today's media invented the brush-up?
Goila
Interesting thought. S'pose we'll never know. It doesn't "matter" so much as it would be a more fascinating photo.
maphistopfeelies
As an artist, I think you would 'touch up' any contemporary painting of your ruler. It's... healthier.
HatsAreEssential
And that she had such white boobs when she lived in a desert...
TravNel
Actually that makes sense since the aristocracy was usually protected from the outside, sunlight and all.
MistakenGenetials
BOOBS!
puffinsgonnapuff
She was not actually an Egyptian. She was part of a Greek family that ruled over Egypt after Alexander the great died.
keeperofthepath
This right here, part of Ptolemys house if I remember my history.
laura378
ding* ding* You are correct!
Gmoney1401
nsfw on cleopatra please?
jessebear89
It would take 42, not 45 minutes to drop something through a hole all the way through Earth...I stopped reading after that.
toomanypubes
That Jupiter fact is wrong. Jupiter would almost cover the entire sky.
Voojagig
That one is questionable because they don't specify if it is the surface or the center mass of Jupiter that is in place of the moon.
remembergoliad
I don't really believe the thing about the spring.
secondcoming
neither did I but I looked it up and fuck me it is true!
DanCutter
Yeah, that was the one that I questioned, also.....
iPhoneHome
e=mc^2 biaaaaatch
DynamicMeerkat
It's like saying my hand weighs more when I'm pushing down on the scale instead of just resting, which is dumb if you ask me.
trywearinpants
Good, because its false. Relativistic mass and rest mass are two different things. The idea is bad physics that looks right if you squint.
AutoF0cus
I'm pretty sure it's just because you have to push down on it to compress it.
p2tu
Do believe!http://debunkeymonkey.blogspot.com/2009/08/does-compressed-spring-weigh-more-than.html
veggied
Don't believe! Weighing the spring wouldn't show any difference, we aren't talking relativistic mass here...
p2tu
There probably is mass difference though, but weighing it would be hard.
MrChurch
-1 for not understanding the difference between Mass and Weight. (see the picture about the spring.)
tomlewis
well the spring gains mass from the elastic energy stored, and this mass is also gravitationally attracted to the earth so it weighs more?
MrChurch
Energy isn't converted to mass by being stored. It is simply potential energy. I can see how the spring might become more dense by (1/2)
tomlewis
Have you heard of mass-energy equivalence?
MrChurch
Yes, but by that, put a ball on a shelf and its mass grows because of the increased potential energy.
tomlewis
it does? The gain in mass is proportional to E/c^2 which would be around 0.00000000000000001 kg so it does gain mass and therefore weight.
MrChurch
compression, but then its volume decreases leaving both the mass and the weight exactly the same. Hence, the -1. (or +1 for trolling?)
Timewellspenthere
Why is the true size of Africa different than it is on the globe?
ImInBetweenUsernames
Look closer at the Africa in the picture... Don't worry I didn't see it the first time either. :)
Wuz314159
The Mercator Projection is flawed where land areas toward the poles do not translate. With adjustment Greenland appears bigger than Africa
Wuz314159
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection#Distortion
ianpaschal
Question: How do 2 to 9 lbs of bacteria cells make up more than 50% of my body?
reflectedsoundofundergroundspirits
Actually, its closer to a 10:1 ratio (10 bacteria cells to 1 human cell)
2arqu0n
A there's also water B this is about cell NUMBER, not mass, bacteria cells are way smaller than some body cells (bone, e.g.).
whatwut
Thank you! Came here to say that.
everyonesmom
Also, not everything in your body is actual body cells. There is also.. Erm.. Water!
Kofthefens
50% of the total number of cells. Each human cell is a lot larger and heavier than a bacterium.
durkadurkagirl
Bacteria cells are TINY compared to our cells, allowing them to outnumber our own but still only make up a small amount of our mass.
Morebasash
Well I only weigh 12 pound so this must be TRUE.
roney408
I LOVE stuff like this. I love learning cool and interesting things like this haha. Anybody got any cool sites like this?
itisntisit
two letters: QI
franklyidontgiveadamn
okay. this probably looks like spam but, believe whatever the fuck you want. this website is legit. http://www.omg-facts.com/
ScoobyDooWhereAreYou
Is it bad that I freaked out when I discovered that this website was created the guy who started Mugglenet.com?
AlsoKnownAsCharles
False, I compressed spring has the same weight, there's just pressure applied making the downward force greater.
hujaz
I expected someone with that kind of a username to at least know elementary physics...
AlsoKnownAsCharles
Let's just stop yelling at me. One person tells me I'm wrong, I understand. There's no need to get 50 more Comments saying "you're dumb".
lobstrosity
i'm gonna upvote cause your name is AlbertEinstein which gives me the illusion you know what you are talking about.
MrPassion
Ironic that AlbertEinstein doesn't understand that mass and energy are relatable; addition of mass is an addition of energy, and vice versa.
p2tu
According to REAL Einstein, it does weigh more: http://debunkeymonkey.blogspot.com/2009/08/does-compressed-spring-weigh-more-than.html
secondcoming
AlbertEinstein is clearly not the real Albert... what a fraud!
AlsoKnownAsCharles
Shitty tit-balls! I'm sorry Imgur, I meant "a compressed...***" not "I compressed..." -_-
darthtofu
It's fly, we know what you mean. OP fucked up, that's the important thing.
lobstrosity
shitty-tit balls just removed some of your credibility AlbertEinstein.
uzerok
Actually he is absolutely correct. Weight is rest mass combined with gravity, which does not change. But you can't change rest mass. 1/2
uzerok
What you can change is relativistic mass by adding energy of any kind. (general) When you use physics terms you have to be very careful. 2/2
AlsoKnownAsCharles
I understand what you're trying to say, But you can't change mass. Mass is Mass, what's there is there.... you cant take any away, or (1/2)
AlsoKnownAsCharles
add any. It's impossible! And you sure as hell can't change gravity! 9.81m/s^2 It's not changing. (I need another comment, so this is 2/3)
AlsoKnownAsCharles
W=mg.... and since you can't change either, the weight will be the same. Whether that spring is compressed or relaxed, it's the same.
uzerok
Well, technically I suppose there is the mass defect where energy and mass are interchangeable. But this happens within the nuclei of an 1/2
uzerok
atom and it would be ridiculous to even try to apply this principle to a macroscopic object like a spring. 2/2
usingthisforatest
They accounted for that, it's actually to do with an object's energy equalling its mass x c^2, so if you increase one side ...
15buckslittleman
yer you're right its e=mc^2. It should have mentioned its so minute it means nothing. But this applies to everything with added energy.
pooptallica
Poor Isaac Newton, his physics were proved useless by Einstein, and his calculus was created at the same time by Leibniz.
15buckslittleman
hold on... His physics have never been proved useless by anyone ever.
pooptallica
Lucky for him he was white and belonged to the prevailing empire of the time. And apparently an apple fell on his head. :P
usingthisforatest
...the other increases, so mass = energy divided by c^2. As c is the speed of light, any large increase in energy will only result in a...
usingthisforatest
small addition of mass, but out of all the people not to know e=mc^2!
froghopper
Not sure about the math, but considering the number of atoms would not change nor the gravity of said atoms, that must be an erroneous ass*.
emertonom
I also appreciated this irony.
derpyturtle
The spring one is true. When you compress the spring, it stores energy. When something stores energy, it gains mass. More energy=More Mass
trywearinpants
Relativity fail. The spring fact is false.
derpyturtle
http://debunkeymonkey.blogspot.com/2009/08/does-compressed-spring-weigh-more-than.html
trywearinpants
exactly. read the comments there that explain why its wrong
discobambino
Holy crap, this is true! http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy99/phy99140.htm
WarChicken
Nope. A compressed spring does store energy, yet this energy is NOT converted to mass. it does not work that way.
discobambino
I backed mine up with a .gov link, what have you got?