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ExtraZOIDBERG
It’s sad, that a mind curious enough to test ideas & develop experiments can get wrapped into flat-earth cult. A potential scientist stolen
thedtp
Crazy how the earth do that.
BlueskydragonFX
Indeed, what a bunch of fools. Flat earth, pff. Our Lizard Overlords have debunked that since ancient times.
SpaceDaveNZ
When this came out I sat in on flat-earth discussions about it. The flat-earthers turned on this guy for embarrassing them. It was glorious.
Mr21782Man
There's a video of him having an AMA where someone calls him asking about him proving curvature with this and he gets totally pissed off.
waeraj
Yet he never changed his mind
Meyek
they also bought two $10k laser gyroscopes and sealed them in a tube which both detected a 15 degree per hour drift.
DelightfullyOdd
Thanks Bob.
RetrogradeLlama
corndude101
On his podcast the dude will blow up anytime you bring this experiment up. He blames the “failure” on weeds that don’t exist.
Therealunsane
Imagine, all this started as a joke. All this would be hilarious if it wasn't just plain sad how it eventually turned, a majestic shit show
datphone777365
"wait no not like that" -dumbdumb using science to try and disprove science..
GrammarAndPunctuationNazi
Escapist83
"Interesting"
FunWithUsernames
*My epic-level willful stupidity in service to braindead ideology is… …interesting.
bladeforester
“Interesting yeah…..interesting.”
SPQAAE
necrojoe
Not as interesting as "the...15 degree per hour drift." Thanks, Bob.
BelialDenial
That was expensive
graehall
Heh, reminds me of Elon
atomfixes101
Someone should tell him they already did this stuff like..a really long time ago
Beefkins
bluboy80
But not as interesting as why kids love the great taste of cinnamon toast crunch
LAMovieDesign
Never gets old.
Shoutrr
and then competly ignored the results because it didn't say what he wanted.
StrayZenith
This is from an excellent Netflix documentary called "Behind the Curve". This guy was the most tolerable flat earther, endearing even.
1LostPuppy
Its the American way.
CrackerUmustBTrippin
https://i.redd.it/tvx33l6ip0y01.jpg
littlefoxpounce
Did he accept the results or did he just brush it off like an idiot?
GlebReawer
No, he didn't accept the results, coming up with ridiculous reasons why it failed, f.ex. reeds blocking the light tho no reeds were present.
amb1021
Genuinely too stupid to live.
Denare
The very first episode of Cosmos with Carl Sagan tackled this, too.
elijajaja
Eratosthenes also discovered the circumference and the axial tilt of Earth around 200 BC, right Carl?
AgnosticPaladin
With other method, but yes. (By checking the length of the shadow at precisely noon at 2 locations)
mity0k23
It’s cuz they needed “better equipment”, IIRC. Fucking doorknobs.
frischcode
It's amazing how (almost) perfectly spherical the Earth is. Have they never been on a airplane? How do they think GPS works?
pilotperson
I know a pilot who’s a flat earther. He just ignores all the science—it’s mind-boggling.
EngorgedPhallus
It's really easy for idiot A to convincingly explain anything to both themselves and idiot B when neither of them understand anything.
sfrinlan
They say when you understand nothing, everything is a conspiracy
Slugsie
Global conspiracy mostly.
Global you say? Believes all around the globe... Sigh.
NoUserNamesLeftToChooseFrom
Strings. It works with strings.
RunawaySpoons
They're stationary, like balloons just hanging there, silly /s
RoboCoonie
I still don't understand why flat earth is a thing
There are several different camps/sects, and they do argue with each other on many things. After reading a bit I found this quote in 1/2
Physicsworld.com "Today’s flat-Earth believers are not, though, the first to doubt what seems unquestionable. The notion of a flat Earth 2/3
initially resurfaced in the 1800s as a backlash to scientific progress, especially among those who wished to return to biblical literalism."
Right, but it still doesn't explain the obsession. Why does it matter at all?
It's speculated that they want to fee special, the true flat earthers. They have figured out something no one else understands/realizes. 1/2
vkelcalvi
What an unexpected result!! He should tell about that to the scientists, he may have discover something that wasn't proved for several years
SpoilsburyToastMan
Years? No. You're thinking too small. Try millenia...
MantisTobagganMD
Eratosthenes is disappointed in everyone here.
Different method, same result. Clearly the conspiracy was deeper than we thought! /s
goste
They (FE) also spent $20k on a ring laser gyroscope and detected a 15° per hour drift. (Thanks, bob!)
AxelBeingCivil
This is really good documentary. It treats Flat Earth as ridiculous as it is, but the people themselves are treated with empathy.
They shouldn't be. Especially those "influencers" that make money of it.
SubtleOrc
Flat Earthers are mentaly ill. That's all you need to know
Ijustwantquiet
I think their science knowledge is lacking and their mindset makes them gullible to scams.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
Being clinically mentally deficient isn't the same as being chronically uninformed. Most of them are fully sane, just immersed in fiction.
Nope. They're either attention whores get off on the conflict, or they're stupid
Neither of those things are mental illnesses.
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
Flat-Earthers must be right ... they have members all around the globe.
TanithRosenbaum
FlintNorth44
HansImaginationStar
Go SciManDan!!
drestinblack
And McToon and FTFE
15 degree per hour drift
valintepes
No idiots, you need to take a ship to the edge. There's no better proof. Just go, get a ship, get supplies, and go into the sea!
NonFungibleUsername
Although that sounds perfectly reasonable to you and me, the FE crowd genuinely believe the edge is guarded by the UN and they will be shot.
I was NOT going for reasonable lol. I just wanted an excuse to say "go into the sea". Your tidbit about UN is also new to me. Amazing.
One of their ideas is that the antarctica is a nevereding wall of ice that continues in to infinity & all of pictures from space are CGI.
This is new to me. Thanks. Dumber than most from this crowd surprisingly.
emilytangerine8910
This is from a very depressing documentary. This dude proves himself wrong but his cognitive dissonance won’t let him change his mind.
TheSecondPiewackit
This guy? This is Jeranism. His paycheck wont let him change his mind.
cheesecake7
How does he get paid for this?
Last I heard his Patreon's about $1500 a month, plus superchats from livestreams, etc. I can't really fault him for feeding his family.
Eramik
Social media, YouTube, podcasts etc. Same as many of the RW grifters. They cater to their audience. The audience pay the bills.
He gets kick backs from big earth
NotThatOneTheOtherOne
If the Earth were flat, there'd be a thousand videos on YouTube of Russian dudes doing handstands on the edge. Myth Busted.
idiotsonfire
Also, if they want to explain something, they need to explain why the edge of Earth isn't OVERWHELMINGLY COMMERCIALIZED!
Cats would have already knocked all our shit off it
manyslayer
Capitalists would be charging to go to it.
NebulousToucan
I'm convinced there are no real flat earthers. It's all trolls who think they're the only troll in the group
bearhunter94
Nope. I work with a die hard aggressive flat earther. He can turn any conversation into a flat earth convo. Even has a flat earth app
SecondSince
Oh you sweet summer child!
OaksParcel
I used to think it was all a joke, too, until COVID came around and I realized at least 30% of society is fucking brain dead.
30%? You must still be in your 20s... It's more like 60%.
This guy gets paid for it but you'd be wrong.
CapitalNick
I know one. They also think the Moon "isn't really there". They're not joking.
Piotheman
There are conmen making a profit feeding the lie among them.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
I remember being shocked as a kid when I learned that there still were creationists...
https://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Acceleration (a flath earth theory), problem: in less than a year we'd be moving faster than light.
Reading that hurts. I laughed way too hard.
statelessnfaithless
my theory is that they started out as a trolling group and began attracting serious people
AlpacaMyBagsAndGoNow
Like juggalos? Started as shitty music. Something something now it's a religion
Lichelf
When it comes popular people it's definitely all trolls profiting. But for the followers it's definitely mostly idiots.
bigdukesix
I think sometimes it starts with a troll or trolls and then they attract true believers. Eventually the trolls get bored and leave
sevrono
This is how more than one conspiracy theory has started
Rugras
Isn't Qanon just 4chan incels?
TheGgreen100
There's a prevailing belief that most people have "the same" mental abilities but some are just taught poorly. Nope. Some are just idiots.
Not even trying to be mean or insulting. Some people just literally do not have the brain hardware capable of understanding these things.
Besides pathological cases, this could've been corrected by *good* early education, where you learn how to think logically and consistently.
But yeah, by the time they reach adulthood, it's very hard to get rid of the "magical thinking" and other idiocies.
IlluminaBlade
I briefly worked with a differently abled individual who believed every monster story he could find on the internet.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Now I'm wondering if he's found SCP yet.
The trolls find the vulnerable and turn them into the believers.
penzick
I don't get why they're not explaining it by their being on a slight hill or something. They can rationalize anything so why not this?
imp89
When it says 17ft from above normal then its 17ft everywhere, a hole in the ground would mean its not 17ft from above normal....
frondy
If I remember right they are doing this along a beach and measuring the heights off of sea level
DailyWipeBoardDicks
The height is measured from water level, not ground level.
MarkSengenberger
Their success at proving the flat earth depended on them addressing any discrepancy ahead of time. Complete no-win scenario.
v01dstar
The whole point of the experiment is that it uses the water level of a lake to ensure they're at the same elevation.
jeeps005
Are you sure he didnt? I doubt he said interesting, packed up and went home.
Vacationdad
That is actually the end of the documentary, right after he says “interesting” credits roll
Hatixon
Cliffhanger in a documentary? That's a bit strange.
Akurei00
Behind the Curve. It's all about flat earth conspiracies and how the movement came about. There's multiple experiments in it led by flat-»
« earthers where they prove themselves wrong. But they keep coming up with more excuses and new experiments that keep proving them wrong.
SexuallyAwkwardDonkey
But he no claims the documentary journalist was biased and made him look wrong. There's no winning with flat earthers, they're too dumb
I can't find it but I know there was a flat-earther (on Youtube?) who realized he was wrong & tries now to show others. One down, many to go
Yeah I know who you're talking about
DeMindelan
The clip doesn’t show it very well, but they do it over water so it’s still ‘level’ regardless of the soil
Yeah, I couldn't see that from the clip but that makes sense. Thank you.
jackhallows
I'm assuming they used laser levels.
UnBobaLievable
A lot of FE folks seize on the "water seeks its own level" parable to justify why they think the earth is flat.
ExTechOp
No, just a normal light flashlight-type light source. The water was supposed to be the level, but of course it curves along earth's surface.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
The uh, water was on a hill. Yeah. /s
Trixum
Underwater mountain
SoraHjort
Water can be a hill depending on waves./
squillis
Or the position of the moon over vast enough distances
If the moon effects the water enough to make it curve, that's more proof that the Earth is round.
pnersvfu
That flows from a natural ebbservation.
Hills are also flat.
shankelstoff
Now that's an interesting statement.
MardukRules
Fool! Hills aren’t real.
I found the flat-hiller!
whitey211
Not in the movie, but later he did claim it was because tall reeds were blocking the light.
BornToDoStuff
those damn.... 19 foot reeds... making me need to put a light at 20 feet for my 17 foot hole.
thatlamer
Those classic 20 foot tall reeds.
They are constantly ruining my plans.
"Unfortunately the experience didnt ultimately sway flat Earther to reconsider his position and he remained an adherent after documentary"
I'm not sure I believe that. I still suspect he knew exactly what he was doing. The experiment was so well designed to prove the truth.
LordHosk
its regularly used as a example by scientists as a simple way to prove to yourself the earth is round. anyone can do it for under $100
cazzegiare
That's consistent with their contrarian philosophy. If they wanted to find evidence to falsify their hypothesis, they would done so by now.
ronnyhugo
They can just realize that there's midnight sun on both poles six months apart. Then try to find a shape that has that with a flashlight.
TZO2k15
Then he is no longer simply ignorant, but stupid… Ignorance is fleeting for the wise, but not so with that idiot!
SagansLab
MCToon, on a guest appearace for SciManDan, did a great show on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-uYf622J4
ComcastLover
The thing is that being a flat earther is seldom an isolated thing. Usually they have drunk all the cool aid they could find as well.
CorrectMostOfTheTime
Koolaid but yes lol cool aid would be good help haha
Sorry hehe my mistake
Radijsjes
TBH, going by his interview, it's not about truth for him, but about earning money selling his shit to other flat-earthers.
SilentScreamsX
If they could be swayed by evidence and facts, they wouldn't be Flat Earthers.
Akimaru
Wasn't one of them "if I tell them the results the others will think I'm a government shill"?
unluckyandbored
This is why it's useless to argue with a flat-earther. They are True Believers. NO amount of evidence can convince them.
Tumescentpie
If evidence would allow them to change their position their position wouldn't be that of a flat earther.
Imback42
To them experiments are only successful and useful if they proof their theory.
ivedonewhativedone
He was confused by the height above the head. It was 19.5' and he couldn't understand why. He's still an idiot tho and there is a vid on it
suzelloozel1978
You can’t use logic to talk someone out of a belief they didn’t use logic to get in to
kerms
It's always "dang I did something wrong, I'll try something else" because it's about finding 1 thing that agrees with you. Confirmation bias
MelissaYyz
Not surprised
Alpine262
You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Besamel
TheZommie
well he is just gonna keep doing experiments until 1 finally proves the earth is flat
This is exactly what they do. The scientific method to them provides the answer they want.
ironymus
by doing it this way it's no longer scientific. It's preconcieved.
ZKintzer
Sounds like big pharma
Don't you know about how corps will fund research and only release studies that benefit them after many others reflect negatively?
HumbabaEpic2
RepostStatisdicks
Hope your dog is vaccinated
Dogs, kids, and self 100% vaccinated
fishbicyclerepairman
People generally aren’t swayed by evidence
CaptainAsshat
People generally are, but flat earthers mainly want to be special - like religion. "faith" > facts
KrondorMocker
**Idiots aren’t swayed by evidence
This is really what frustrates me the most, and it doesn't just apply to things like this. It applies to life
SolidRD
I’m swayed by stuff crust pizza very easily in fact
RhymingEverything
this is *everyone* not just idiots, including you and me unfortunately
Maaatth
*These people
HandoB4Javert
SacrificialClam
Prove it.
T3NM1DG3TS
*Some* people are resilient, because you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into, and because you 1/2
Can’t wake someone who’s pretending to be sleeping 2/2
TheOtherGuy1
I have these arguments all the time. Getting them to that "interesting" is its own reward
cellarroot
The amount of years and controversy the smart people take to figure these things out is a clue that just "interesting" is huge progress
Sticklebrickk
*Stupid People
Idiots*
pgdave
People tend to be swayed by narrative, not facts. But my guess is that linking evidence wouldn't persuade you for that same reason.
…not the smart ones.
LicensedAdHominem
Same thing for the most part.
stupidbastardinutah
I'm pretty sure they are.
tangopianista
Hehe
BigGoblin
Man y'all are missing the point of my comments.
TheLark
I understand that reference
theMarc
Smart people are. But smart people are generally not flat-Earthers.
figuringeights
You don't have to be smart to accept new information. You don't have to be dumb to be impressionable. Who knows this guys reasons though.
idekwut
People are generally swayed by evidence, actually. But radicals depend on confirmation bias, which is not a bias that uses logical reasoning
Citation needed. Most people readily believe the first thing they hear, or whatever makes them feel the most. Then, good luck swaying...
If hat were true, you think whe'd have planes, computers etc. Sure many latch on to the frist thing that alings with their feelings of 1/2
This is not an opinion, it's literally just confirmation bias. And the average dumbass has zero contributions to technology and engineering.
what is/should be real. But many also express a healthy amount of scepticism untill they get verified information to prove it to be true 2/2
ExtraZOIDBERG
It’s sad, that a mind curious enough to test ideas & develop experiments can get wrapped into flat-earth cult. A potential scientist stolen
thedtp
Crazy how the earth do that.
BlueskydragonFX
Indeed, what a bunch of fools. Flat earth, pff. Our Lizard Overlords have debunked that since ancient times.
SpaceDaveNZ
When this came out I sat in on flat-earth discussions about it. The flat-earthers turned on this guy for embarrassing them. It was glorious.
Mr21782Man
There's a video of him having an AMA where someone calls him asking about him proving curvature with this and he gets totally pissed off.
waeraj
Yet he never changed his mind
Meyek
they also bought two $10k laser gyroscopes and sealed them in a tube which both detected a 15 degree per hour drift.
DelightfullyOdd
Thanks Bob.
RetrogradeLlama
corndude101
On his podcast the dude will blow up anytime you bring this experiment up. He blames the “failure” on weeds that don’t exist.
Therealunsane
Imagine, all this started as a joke. All this would be hilarious if it wasn't just plain sad how it eventually turned, a majestic shit show
datphone777365
"wait no not like that" -dumbdumb using science to try and disprove science..
GrammarAndPunctuationNazi
Escapist83
"Interesting"
FunWithUsernames
*My epic-level willful stupidity in service to braindead ideology is… …interesting.
bladeforester
“Interesting yeah…..interesting.”
SPQAAE
necrojoe
Not as interesting as "the...15 degree per hour drift." Thanks, Bob.
BelialDenial
That was expensive
graehall
Heh, reminds me of Elon
atomfixes101
Someone should tell him they already did this stuff like..a really long time ago
Beefkins
bluboy80
But not as interesting as why kids love the great taste of cinnamon toast crunch
LAMovieDesign
Never gets old.
Shoutrr
and then competly ignored the results because it didn't say what he wanted.
StrayZenith
This is from an excellent Netflix documentary called "Behind the Curve". This guy was the most tolerable flat earther, endearing even.
1LostPuppy
Its the American way.
CrackerUmustBTrippin
https://i.redd.it/tvx33l6ip0y01.jpg
littlefoxpounce
Did he accept the results or did he just brush it off like an idiot?
GlebReawer
No, he didn't accept the results, coming up with ridiculous reasons why it failed, f.ex. reeds blocking the light tho no reeds were present.
amb1021
Genuinely too stupid to live.
Denare
The very first episode of Cosmos with Carl Sagan tackled this, too.
elijajaja
Eratosthenes also discovered the circumference and the axial tilt of Earth around 200 BC, right Carl?
AgnosticPaladin
With other method, but yes. (By checking the length of the shadow at precisely noon at 2 locations)
mity0k23
It’s cuz they needed “better equipment”, IIRC. Fucking doorknobs.
frischcode
It's amazing how (almost) perfectly spherical the Earth is. Have they never been on a airplane? How do they think GPS works?
pilotperson
I know a pilot who’s a flat earther. He just ignores all the science—it’s mind-boggling.
EngorgedPhallus
It's really easy for idiot A to convincingly explain anything to both themselves and idiot B when neither of them understand anything.
sfrinlan
They say when you understand nothing, everything is a conspiracy
Slugsie
Global conspiracy mostly.
frischcode
Global you say? Believes all around the globe... Sigh.
NoUserNamesLeftToChooseFrom
Strings. It works with strings.
RunawaySpoons
They're stationary, like balloons just hanging there, silly /s
RoboCoonie
I still don't understand why flat earth is a thing
GlebReawer
There are several different camps/sects, and they do argue with each other on many things. After reading a bit I found this quote in 1/2
GlebReawer
Physicsworld.com "Today’s flat-Earth believers are not, though, the first to doubt what seems unquestionable. The notion of a flat Earth 2/3
GlebReawer
initially resurfaced in the 1800s as a backlash to scientific progress, especially among those who wished to return to biblical literalism."
RoboCoonie
Right, but it still doesn't explain the obsession. Why does it matter at all?
GlebReawer
It's speculated that they want to fee special, the true flat earthers. They have figured out something no one else understands/realizes. 1/2
vkelcalvi
What an unexpected result!! He should tell about that to the scientists, he may have discover something that wasn't proved for several years
SpoilsburyToastMan
Years? No. You're thinking too small. Try millenia...
MantisTobagganMD
Eratosthenes is disappointed in everyone here.
AgnosticPaladin
Different method, same result. Clearly the conspiracy was deeper than we thought! /s
goste
They (FE) also spent $20k on a ring laser gyroscope and detected a 15° per hour drift. (Thanks, bob!)
AxelBeingCivil
This is really good documentary. It treats Flat Earth as ridiculous as it is, but the people themselves are treated with empathy.
AgnosticPaladin
They shouldn't be. Especially those "influencers" that make money of it.
SubtleOrc
Flat Earthers are mentaly ill. That's all you need to know
Ijustwantquiet
I think their science knowledge is lacking and their mindset makes them gullible to scams.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
Being clinically mentally deficient isn't the same as being chronically uninformed. Most of them are fully sane, just immersed in fiction.
SubtleOrc
Nope. They're either attention whores get off on the conflict, or they're stupid
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
Neither of those things are mental illnesses.
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
Flat-Earthers must be right ... they have members all around the globe.
TanithRosenbaum
FlintNorth44
HansImaginationStar
Go SciManDan!!
drestinblack
And McToon and FTFE
HansImaginationStar
15 degree per hour drift
valintepes
No idiots, you need to take a ship to the edge. There's no better proof. Just go, get a ship, get supplies, and go into the sea!
NonFungibleUsername
Although that sounds perfectly reasonable to you and me, the FE crowd genuinely believe the edge is guarded by the UN and they will be shot.
valintepes
I was NOT going for reasonable lol. I just wanted an excuse to say "go into the sea". Your tidbit about UN is also new to me. Amazing.
GlebReawer
One of their ideas is that the antarctica is a nevereding wall of ice that continues in to infinity & all of pictures from space are CGI.
valintepes
This is new to me. Thanks. Dumber than most from this crowd surprisingly.
emilytangerine8910
This is from a very depressing documentary. This dude proves himself wrong but his cognitive dissonance won’t let him change his mind.
TheSecondPiewackit
This guy? This is Jeranism. His paycheck wont let him change his mind.
cheesecake7
How does he get paid for this?
TheSecondPiewackit
Last I heard his Patreon's about $1500 a month, plus superchats from livestreams, etc. I can't really fault him for feeding his family.
Eramik
Social media, YouTube, podcasts etc. Same as many of the RW grifters. They cater to their audience. The audience pay the bills.
emilytangerine8910
He gets kick backs from big earth
NotThatOneTheOtherOne
If the Earth were flat, there'd be a thousand videos on YouTube of Russian dudes doing handstands on the edge. Myth Busted.
idiotsonfire
Also, if they want to explain something, they need to explain why the edge of Earth isn't OVERWHELMINGLY COMMERCIALIZED!
sfrinlan
Cats would have already knocked all our shit off it
manyslayer
Capitalists would be charging to go to it.
NebulousToucan
I'm convinced there are no real flat earthers. It's all trolls who think they're the only troll in the group
bearhunter94
Nope. I work with a die hard aggressive flat earther. He can turn any conversation into a flat earth convo. Even has a flat earth app
SecondSince
Oh you sweet summer child!
OaksParcel
I used to think it was all a joke, too, until COVID came around and I realized at least 30% of society is fucking brain dead.
SpoilsburyToastMan
30%? You must still be in your 20s... It's more like 60%.
TheSecondPiewackit
This guy gets paid for it but you'd be wrong.
CapitalNick
I know one. They also think the Moon "isn't really there". They're not joking.
Piotheman
There are conmen making a profit feeding the lie among them.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
I remember being shocked as a kid when I learned that there still were creationists...
GlebReawer
https://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Acceleration (a flath earth theory), problem: in less than a year we'd be moving faster than light.
SpoilsburyToastMan
Reading that hurts. I laughed way too hard.
statelessnfaithless
my theory is that they started out as a trolling group and began attracting serious people
AlpacaMyBagsAndGoNow
Like juggalos? Started as shitty music. Something something now it's a religion
Lichelf
When it comes popular people it's definitely all trolls profiting. But for the followers it's definitely mostly idiots.
bigdukesix
I think sometimes it starts with a troll or trolls and then they attract true believers. Eventually the trolls get bored and leave
sevrono
This is how more than one conspiracy theory has started
Rugras
Isn't Qanon just 4chan incels?
TheGgreen100
There's a prevailing belief that most people have "the same" mental abilities but some are just taught poorly. Nope. Some are just idiots.
TheGgreen100
Not even trying to be mean or insulting. Some people just literally do not have the brain hardware capable of understanding these things.
AgnosticPaladin
Besides pathological cases, this could've been corrected by *good* early education, where you learn how to think logically and consistently.
AgnosticPaladin
But yeah, by the time they reach adulthood, it's very hard to get rid of the "magical thinking" and other idiocies.
IlluminaBlade
I briefly worked with a differently abled individual who believed every monster story he could find on the internet.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Now I'm wondering if he's found SCP yet.
IlluminaBlade
The trolls find the vulnerable and turn them into the believers.
penzick
I don't get why they're not explaining it by their being on a slight hill or something. They can rationalize anything so why not this?
imp89
When it says 17ft from above normal then its 17ft everywhere, a hole in the ground would mean its not 17ft from above normal....
frondy
If I remember right they are doing this along a beach and measuring the heights off of sea level
DailyWipeBoardDicks
The height is measured from water level, not ground level.
MarkSengenberger
Their success at proving the flat earth depended on them addressing any discrepancy ahead of time. Complete no-win scenario.
v01dstar
The whole point of the experiment is that it uses the water level of a lake to ensure they're at the same elevation.
jeeps005
Are you sure he didnt? I doubt he said interesting, packed up and went home.
Vacationdad
That is actually the end of the documentary, right after he says “interesting” credits roll
Hatixon
Cliffhanger in a documentary? That's a bit strange.
Akurei00
Behind the Curve. It's all about flat earth conspiracies and how the movement came about. There's multiple experiments in it led by flat-»
Akurei00
« earthers where they prove themselves wrong. But they keep coming up with more excuses and new experiments that keep proving them wrong.
SexuallyAwkwardDonkey
But he no claims the documentary journalist was biased and made him look wrong. There's no winning with flat earthers, they're too dumb
penzick
I can't find it but I know there was a flat-earther (on Youtube?) who realized he was wrong & tries now to show others. One down, many to go
SexuallyAwkwardDonkey
Yeah I know who you're talking about
DeMindelan
The clip doesn’t show it very well, but they do it over water so it’s still ‘level’ regardless of the soil
penzick
Yeah, I couldn't see that from the clip but that makes sense. Thank you.
jackhallows
I'm assuming they used laser levels.
UnBobaLievable
A lot of FE folks seize on the "water seeks its own level" parable to justify why they think the earth is flat.
ExTechOp
No, just a normal light flashlight-type light source. The water was supposed to be the level, but of course it curves along earth's surface.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
The uh, water was on a hill. Yeah. /s
Trixum
Underwater mountain
SoraHjort
Water can be a hill depending on waves./
squillis
Or the position of the moon over vast enough distances
SpoilsburyToastMan
If the moon effects the water enough to make it curve, that's more proof that the Earth is round.
pnersvfu
That flows from a natural ebbservation.
NoUserNamesLeftToChooseFrom
Hills are also flat.
shankelstoff
Now that's an interesting statement.
MardukRules
Fool! Hills aren’t real.
MardukRules
I found the flat-hiller!
whitey211
Not in the movie, but later he did claim it was because tall reeds were blocking the light.
BornToDoStuff
those damn.... 19 foot reeds... making me need to put a light at 20 feet for my 17 foot hole.
thatlamer
Those classic 20 foot tall reeds.
whitey211
They are constantly ruining my plans.
Escapist83
"Unfortunately the experience didnt ultimately sway flat Earther to reconsider his position and he remained an adherent after documentary"
v01dstar
I'm not sure I believe that. I still suspect he knew exactly what he was doing. The experiment was so well designed to prove the truth.
LordHosk
its regularly used as a example by scientists as a simple way to prove to yourself the earth is round. anyone can do it for under $100
cazzegiare
That's consistent with their contrarian philosophy. If they wanted to find evidence to falsify their hypothesis, they would done so by now.
ronnyhugo
They can just realize that there's midnight sun on both poles six months apart. Then try to find a shape that has that with a flashlight.
TZO2k15
Then he is no longer simply ignorant, but stupid… Ignorance is fleeting for the wise, but not so with that idiot!
SagansLab
MCToon, on a guest appearace for SciManDan, did a great show on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-uYf622J4
ComcastLover
The thing is that being a flat earther is seldom an isolated thing. Usually they have drunk all the cool aid they could find as well.
CorrectMostOfTheTime
Koolaid but yes lol cool aid would be good help haha
ComcastLover
Sorry hehe my mistake
Radijsjes
TBH, going by his interview, it's not about truth for him, but about earning money selling his shit to other flat-earthers.
SilentScreamsX
If they could be swayed by evidence and facts, they wouldn't be Flat Earthers.
Akimaru
Wasn't one of them "if I tell them the results the others will think I'm a government shill"?
unluckyandbored
This is why it's useless to argue with a flat-earther. They are True Believers. NO amount of evidence can convince them.
Tumescentpie
If evidence would allow them to change their position their position wouldn't be that of a flat earther.
Imback42
To them experiments are only successful and useful if they proof their theory.
ivedonewhativedone
He was confused by the height above the head. It was 19.5' and he couldn't understand why. He's still an idiot tho and there is a vid on it
suzelloozel1978
You can’t use logic to talk someone out of a belief they didn’t use logic to get in to
kerms
It's always "dang I did something wrong, I'll try something else" because it's about finding 1 thing that agrees with you. Confirmation bias
MelissaYyz
Not surprised
Alpine262
You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Besamel
TheZommie
well he is just gonna keep doing experiments until 1 finally proves the earth is flat
FlintNorth44
This is exactly what they do. The scientific method to them provides the answer they want.
ironymus
by doing it this way it's no longer scientific. It's preconcieved.
ZKintzer
Sounds like big pharma
ZKintzer
Don't you know about how corps will fund research and only release studies that benefit them after many others reflect negatively?
HumbabaEpic2
RepostStatisdicks
Hope your dog is vaccinated
ZKintzer
Dogs, kids, and self 100% vaccinated
fishbicyclerepairman
People generally aren’t swayed by evidence
CaptainAsshat
People generally are, but flat earthers mainly want to be special - like religion. "faith" > facts
KrondorMocker
**Idiots aren’t swayed by evidence
MelissaYyz
This is really what frustrates me the most, and it doesn't just apply to things like this. It applies to life
SolidRD
I’m swayed by stuff crust pizza very easily in fact
RhymingEverything
this is *everyone* not just idiots, including you and me unfortunately
Maaatth
*These people
HandoB4Javert
SacrificialClam
Prove it.
T3NM1DG3TS
*Some* people are resilient, because you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into, and because you 1/2
T3NM1DG3TS
Can’t wake someone who’s pretending to be sleeping 2/2
TheOtherGuy1
I have these arguments all the time. Getting them to that "interesting" is its own reward
cellarroot
The amount of years and controversy the smart people take to figure these things out is a clue that just "interesting" is huge progress
Sticklebrickk
*Stupid People
LAMovieDesign
Idiots*
pgdave
People tend to be swayed by narrative, not facts. But my guess is that linking evidence wouldn't persuade you for that same reason.
LAMovieDesign
…not the smart ones.
LicensedAdHominem
Same thing for the most part.
stupidbastardinutah
I'm pretty sure they are.
tangopianista
Hehe
BigGoblin
stupidbastardinutah
Man y'all are missing the point of my comments.
TheLark
I understand that reference
theMarc
Smart people are. But smart people are generally not flat-Earthers.
figuringeights
You don't have to be smart to accept new information. You don't have to be dumb to be impressionable. Who knows this guys reasons though.
idekwut
People are generally swayed by evidence, actually. But radicals depend on confirmation bias, which is not a bias that uses logical reasoning
LicensedAdHominem
Citation needed. Most people readily believe the first thing they hear, or whatever makes them feel the most. Then, good luck swaying...
GlebReawer
If hat were true, you think whe'd have planes, computers etc. Sure many latch on to the frist thing that alings with their feelings of 1/2
LicensedAdHominem
This is not an opinion, it's literally just confirmation bias. And the average dumbass has zero contributions to technology and engineering.
GlebReawer
what is/should be real. But many also express a healthy amount of scepticism untill they get verified information to prove it to be true 2/2