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Ac1dBurn72
I feel especially lucky. If this was my family, I'd have hurt some people and been in prison already. This is despicable.
Noob3rts
Let's be honest, the Cop work wasn't that difficult since the woman's fucking face was on her Etsy account lol
wetbandits23
It’s about how there was an action taken for one and no action taken for the other, not about which action was less difficult
METROlD
Too bad the cops normal faces are posted, and not their fucking faces.
qtRaven
Wouldn't be that difficult to find Breonna Taylor's killers either.
sexyBurgurrito
fkn priorities ?
cominginhot
Stupid sexy arsonist
MrMoustache64
All over the world some Cops are Bad
londonosierra2000
Trump's America is for the rich alone.
MrCoolWhip
I feel like you don’t understand the problem. It’s an issue of which takes precedent: state laws or federal laws. It’s been the president
Who decides. So it’s always changing. The judicial system can make the ultimate decision if need be
defgremlin
Qualified immunity has got to go , but not just for cops, for prosecutors as well
Shadowhawk000095
Fuck those guys. I pray there is justice SOMEWHERE in this messed up world.
MenaceToSobriety
Judge Mary Shaw approved bad warrants based on flimsy affidavits filed by Detective Joshua Jaynes. These are the people truly responsible.
Wadswoot
They are responsible but the police are too
Do go on.
thanatos777
MarketFiction
fuck those guys
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Anybody who thinks these cops are going to be punished is kidding themselves.
theyar
It wasn't murder. But sure I hear ya.
LadyMacDeath
Yes it was. Known your legal definitions https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/second-degree-murder/
Definitely not an intentional killing.
sleepinggreenidea
LE routinely charges perps they pursue with acts carried out by the police pursuing them. They're hoisted by their own petard here.
PeterNormal
To protect and serve (Their access to 90% of the city budget)
FlissFloss86Gaming
Everyone in this picture deserves to be arrested
kiddk00l
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
czpek
FUCK THE POLICE
OmniverseDayDreamer
Its funny how cops can get all CSI on ppl when they want but mostly don't do as much to solve most incidents of crime
HootSloot
Their stats on solving most crimes are pretty bad.
vahnn
Nothing is bad, no one is corrupt, everything is fine.
SBK1098
Good, glad they arrested her.
Sinasohn
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK
Car got swiped on the highway, I got make model and most of the license plate. Filled a report but police never investigated.
RoboCoonie
cuz they don't care. I found a broken into car, PD told me they wouldn't come out unless I was the owner.
rustyshacklefordpocketsand
I got t-boned and the other car drove off, leaving its bumper and license plate stuck to my car. Police said "sorry, nothing we can do".
RisingPhoenix92
With a full license plate they definitely could have please tell me you fought them on that
Nope. It was a small town so I drove around until I found the car. Based on it's condition and where it was parked, I doubt it was insured.
Figured it was not worth my taxes paying for their public defender.
Quomp
There is also a pedophile network amidst the top levels of government that could be addressed by the same technology used appropriately.
AtmaDarkwolf
Priorities man, Priorities :P Can't expect the current power distribution in the USA to bother with 'justice' if its not profit!
ThatJuanMexican
Notice all the downvotes...
Blockedbutimback
Merica
talosguideme
homerinchinatown
So... evidence? Something...? Or is this just pizzagate leftovers...?
....do you know who Ghislaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein are?
marshawnlynchatapressinterviewsaying
Why would they go looking for themselves? They know where they are.
LordNergal
Guillotining them all would be faster and more effective.
arocktrucker777
SithElephant
Setting them on fire? I'm for it.
Startropics
They could use so.e help with this https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecapted/ecap">https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecap> https://www.europol.europa.eu/stopchildabuse
wellitseemedlikeagoodideaatthetime
And where is anonymous to expose this? Disappointed the Meme Lords never came to do anything of real value
sparehead4
When people say pedophile they usually mean child sex offender.
ChrisMorray
Well yeah. Pedos who acted on their pedo desires are pretty much automatically child sex offenders, no? If it quacks like a duck...
cokeandhookers
Its a Duck! - Dora the Explorer probably
lordcirth
Only 1/3 of pedos actually molest, and only 1/3 of molesters are pedos, so it is actually quite misleading to conflate the two.
1/3rd of molesters being pedo I can see but we're talking child molesters here.
1/3 of molesters of underage victims. That does count some 17yo's, sure, but the point stands.
SpecialProjectY
MyNameIsSpritePepsi
Sorry to inform you, a child molester is still a pedo.
photosforbikeforum
Please tell me you are being sarcastic.
The Catholic Church is pure in all actions, Hollywood's sex culture is healthy and consensual, and both 2016 president elects were great.
Your accusation is that there is a NETWORK at the TOP LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT! you moronic buffoon.
Yes, because its a global networking ring that involves the monetary elite. Way to start screaming like the nitwit you are, though.
Qanon. Conspiracy theorist. Get off of Imgur. Go back to the closet where you belong.
Oh yea, Epstein was a great guy who did nothing wrong and Ghislaine should be free to go back to her day job.
Let me guess. The Clinton's had him killed?
That's just conspiracy too tho, huh? https://fortune.com/2020/07/20/epstein-trial-judges-son-killed-hitman-deutsche-bank-esther-salas/
I don't know so I don't guess, but I do know that the overseeing judge's son was killed by a hitman in an attempt on her life.
"pedophile network amidst the top levels of government". I can understand your desire to change the subject. Qanon.
Soggybathroomsock
The NSA should have a good database on those kiddy fiddlers by now...
ferafish
Shit takes ages, esp when building cases against rich people with good lawyers. Panama Papers trials started just this year.
ProfessorChaos
If they do, they sure don't seem to be doing much with it.
redhotbrianpeppers
A mirror?
n0gal
They weren't to happy when Snowden did it.
I'm sure they do.
geoffmendoza
Staff directory
Rignak
Rolodex of scum
TrollePWR
Savage.
WhiteWizerd
The NSA doesn’t collect anything domestically. US citizens are protected by the 4th Amendment.
Lol this isn’t the Cold War. Citizens have rights. Authorities that let the NSA operate don’t allow collection on us citizens here or abroad
scatter
You don't need to find them with tech if you're going to see them at a party this weekend.
Smagalicious
Or the DNC....and the RNC....
EmptyHouseBurglar
Similar but different.
HelpfulHomo
We got awful people on both sides. The key is to offer them up when shit comes to light.
dvkburrn
Seriously.. how can people justify protecting scum just by political affiliation, on any part of the spectrum?
SirenBrick
That is how the 2 party system was designed, it is why both sides work so hard to protect the system and keep each other up
Mxlespxles
And boardrooms and churches and schools. This planet is infested with disgusting humans.
DetectiveSloth
Any number of fundraising events and state dinners...
Hollywood, the British Royalty, the Vatican, the Arab Royalty...
ButLogicallyTho
The NC
skellington01
I guess the problem isn’t finding them, it’s deciding to arrest your friends
The problem is they know all your dirty little secrets as well. So if they go down, then you go down. That's why they let them go.
you're kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.
BreakablePotato
Or light up their shit as an offering.
ShieldAnvil1
I am not sure they should be in jail, they were given a job they were told where to go what to do. The system is broken and acting like 1/2
PballQhead
They should absolutely face charges, but something like negligent homicide is fine by me. Judge should get indifference murder charges.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
That's not a good excuse for straight up executing an unarmed woman. Even with a no-knock warrant, they still should have announced 1/2
themselves as police rather than going gun-ho on anyone who was unarmed. 2/2
Go do some research on police training, they are literally being taught in courses to do this, it's fucked up, and it is the problem.
putting these 3 away will be justice or somehow make Breonna happy is laughable. The legal system is broke top to bottom, we need to fix it
maxstout808
Yeah, let’s give the system another 100 years to fix itself through policy. What’s another century of murder? I like my head in the sand!
CGWN
Considering their orders were to surveil her house, not to go in...
Someshithead241
Manslaughter, not murder. And yes, I know some people use murder for effect, doesn't matter. At some point that effect is lost and people
Start taking it to mean it was legally murder, which it wasn't. Doesn't excuse the death or make it any lesser than what it was. But it
It was murder - 2nd degree.
Wasn't murder. You don't like that plain fact? Tough shit. You think that means they are getting "let off" or its excusing the outcome? Then
You need to get your priorities straight and start understanding how words work, because it does neither of those things. The end.
It was murder. 2nd degree https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/second-degree-murder/
And can you prove they had the intent to kill her?
HellbirdIV
It was legally murder, though. You don't shoot someone *8 times* by accident.
Yes you do. When they get caught in the cross fire while you are firing at someone else.
That's not how a crossfire works, and if the cops were shooting *through* her to get at someone else, that's still murder.
Who said they were shooting through her?
https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/second-degree-murder/
Which needs them to have had intent to kill her. Which doesn't seem the case, since she was caught in cross fire.
folkscallmehi
Oh here come the downvotes. Because they were fired upon and returned fire. It is awful that she died, but the cops were serving a legal1/2
warrant approved by a judge based on the facts of the case. It was not the wrong house. But who needs facts when you’ve got outrage?
Simple, the judge who approved the warrant (which was factually incorrect) should go to jail on straight up murder charges. Responsibilty.
What was incorrect
The suspect was in custody.
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JDinh
Brianna - Mitigating circ. cop was shot & injured. Same cops were sent to the wrong house by a bad warrant. More than 1 person is at fault.
Fastjack2056
You know, I was trained to not point a gun at anything I wasn't trying to kill, but maybe Cops are dumber than Cub Scouts?
Considering how many bullets actually hit Breonna Taylor (8!), either those cops are deliberate murderers, or incompetent on a cosmic scale.
Dracon27
Cops are taught to empty the magazine nationwide.
graft
So we're justifying knocking down criminal doors, and opening fire on them? Fuck that, cops are not judge/jury/executioner
CuteLittleKittenHugz
They were at the right house. Breonna was suspected of having dealings w/ the main target, her ex, a drug dealer who was using her address
Except her ex was in custody. Definitely not the right house.
catsandcoke
Oh well then. She totally deserved to be murdered on the night. /s
ArcaneConjecture
Ok. Can "more than 1 person" be punished?
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
they can! People really like to pretend things are simple, and its 100% the fault of Person A or B. Sometimes it's shared! Horrifying!
HaloArchitect
See "Felony Murder" in.... *checks notes* U.S. law. Unfortunately, see also "Qualified Immunity".
Qualified Immunity refers to an immunity from civil suits regarding violations of civil liberties. The reason cops are protected as much as
they are is much more corruption-based.
Interesting. I concur. https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/2020/06/22/what-is-qualified-immunity-and-why-does-it-fail-at-life/
AlabasterSexington
A no knock warrant on the wrong house aka breaking and entering
Yep. But legally supported. Things should legislatively change.
williamrichards
It wasn't the wrong house. This has been corrected so many times. Stop spreading misinformation
Turns out I was misinformed, that being said getting a no knock warrant on your suspects ex who has no criminal record is bad police work
(1) the reasoning for the warrant is supposedly that packages were being dropped off at her place and picked up by the suspect. We will
(2) likely never know the accuracy of that report unless the FBI decides to publicize that report. If it turns out that the filling officer
CarlosGonzales
The suspect wasn't there. She was not a party to any of his dealings, so that makes it the wrong house
The warrant was to gather evidence. It was a no knock to minimize the possibility of the evidence being destroyed.
Tminus1622d
Well it's nice to know everyone is just one typo away from getting shot. That's pretty much what happens in Brazil (the movie)
kidred2001
I'm sorry but I blame the judge that issued the warrant far more than the officers.
herejusttopointouterrors
1st, what is this "I'm sorry" bs? 2nd, yeah...the officers committing murder is surely secondary. you'd make a great cop
ProcolHarambe
Both - officers should get negligent homicide charges, judge should face whatever the depraved indifference charge is, murder 2 or whatever.
Norok0311
Why?
heartsfang
It was the wrong house and the suspect was already in custody iirc. It was a house that the suspect was associated with, didn't live there.
ThePotatoBandit
Idk, blindly shooting into a building and not giving her any medical attention after the shooting, she did not die instantly, is fucked up
Canoe215
The officers were in street clothes and her S.O shot at them assuming they were robbers so they fired back (as officers under fire do)
It was the no knock warrant that allowed them to walk into the house with street clothes, and miscommunication that put them there initially
One officer fired from the outside. Shooting through a window with blinds
Judge shares responsibility. but if you show up and start blasting that's your fuck-up to live with.
wisco97
They couldn’t hit the target, they literally give people guns that can’t even hit their target. That speaks volumes.
Hulkksmasher
You've clearly never shot a handgun. Clearly not under stress when being shot at as well. Most people can't hit 5ft in front of them in high
Stress situations. That's facts
gaidinbdj
I've never had to fire in a real-world situation, but even in the live-fire simulation ranges, my accuracy is much lower than it is at...
...a shooting range. Olympic pistol shooter shoot at 25 meters (~75 feet) and have *two minutes* per shot. And they have the benefit...
...of not having to question if they should shoot at the target. In the real world, you have, if you're *lucky*, a second or two.
So by that logic, an officer who feared for their life shouldn’t land every shot, so any officer who lands a majority of their shots on a 1/
rcraigsmith9000
No they don’t. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve read so far.
Why, they spend more hours on fire arms training than anything else and can’t even excel at that...
JOKERZwild86
Tell. You what, go and train for years and get into a shoot out and see how well your training does. You’re never prepared
I have. I also agreed with your previous comment. They still don’t give weapons to people who don’t know how to use them.
They could put them in high stress situations, use Simuntion, creates the adrenaline and fear of pain and getting hit.
Firefighters are put in safe, but stressful situations when training. It allows them to practice calming down and assessing the situation
I’m sure they do. That still won’t ever make anyone ready for live fire. Been there done that. Until you are in that situation you don’t kno
When someone is shooting back it’s hard to hit someone, it’s not like the movies. Been in my share of firefights and the adrenaline alone..
You are correct.
Will cause your hands to be shaky, no one can keep a steady aim.
They train to keep calm in a firefight. If they can’t do that, then what is all the training for?
spudpicker
You can't effectively simulate a life-or-death situation in training, and you can't control involuntary chemical responses to danger.
They are not being shot at while training. Smh!
Bucknasty28
To decrease the expected percentage of missed shots
They aren’t being shot at while training and no matter how much training you have it’s never the same as a real scenario
idonthaveanaccount
So your point is police are doing their job well and we should be focusing on state attorneys?
No, clearly. If that was your takeaway then you're part of the problem.
Ok, help me then. This looks like 2 cases where the only difference is one was charged and one wasn't.
Cthulhuchooseyou
Police bust your door while you're sleeping, don't announce or identify, they're in the wrong house and the person they're looking for is 1/
already caught. You pull a gun thinking you're being robbed. They kill you and shoot your SO. Months later, nothing's happened to them. 2/2
No, the point is police choose to do their job for very specific reasons that pander to a small minority of supremacists protecting fascism.
Police don't lay charges
Police unions protect perpetrators.
FrappuchinoFabuloso
Are police officers not entitled to legal representation?
They should not be entitled to paid leave following the murder of innocent victims.
If you're a cop with "selective justice", you're a traitor to the department and uniform.
If they are neither judge nor jury, why do they continue to execute innocent civilians?
There are plenty of legitimate issues to deal with, I don't see the value in muddying the water.
"Muddy the water", aka drawing attention to shit and injustice that's been unanswered for decades, while police deck out in military gear.
CurbYourClassWar
No, but they'll execute you or beat you for them anyway
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Iatesomecoffeecups
When the 1300 try, they are fired.
It's more like 400 bad cops
MaxMinutiae
I think its mainly because we revile snitching, and that label is often given to cops who do the right thing.
apbadogs
Because all 1312 cops all work together and know what every other cop does, right?
greatgatogrant
Both sides using broken logic: all cops are bad, all protestors are rioters, all trump supporters are antimask, etc
NinetiesBoomer
It’s a us vs them mentality that surfaces in most things in life. It feels worse the more you notice.
spitfires2000
ALL that still support Trump ARE kinda stupid tho.
sockshoesockshoe
Absolutes are easier for people to remember. But we should be careful bc real life isn't Left vs Right, Good vs Bad, or Black vs White.
This right here is a rational human
turkishbutnotnationalist
yeah but the cops who turn in a bad cop are now labeled as buddy fuckers. If they call the police, good luck with them showing up.
A cop who turns in a bad cop could be having their house invaded and the cops he called for just won't show because they're labeled as BF
CheekyNand0s
District Attorneys. You already know who those officers are, it's not up to the police to pursue charges. It's up to the DA
Pyranamus
Oh, are you talking about just Breonna Taylor’s case here? Because in general I would say issues are much more widespread than DAs.
JStengah
If the police are corrupt enough, they will sabotage the DA's other cases if they pursue charges against their fellow officers.
That's not how it works AT ALL
Too right! Often, the police union will threaten to endorse the DA's political rival, or enact work slowdowns to pressure mayors/councilors!
zphobic
It absolutely is, lol. Police have tremendous powers to stonewall and interfere with the justice system. That thin blue line, man.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MplsWard3/status/1267891878801915904
In 2014/15, New York cops staged a slowdown in response to protests against their murder of Eric Garner.
mrbellek
Agreed. This is exactly why ACAB.
You're abellend
SeriousCloud
Always Carry A Bat, Always Conceal A Bologna
ahorseelbowdeepinme
So if not all protestors are rioters... but some are... and the protestors do nothing to stop the rioters... APAB?
parkerh17
No bc a protesters is not responsible for other protesters but a trained powerful police unit is responsible for its members.
TheTechDweller
but just saying ACAB doesn't help or mean anything. Doesn't explain to those that don't understand and has wide interpretations
Quid739
What help can you expect from a mere statement itself? It is concise, a catch-phrase, the explanation to which can still be enquired. And -
- how wide are the interpretations of a four-word expression? Do you mean that there are many different ideas about what change is required?
I mean that "ACAB" isn't the best thing to share alone as it leads people to come up with their own ideas instead of teaching
ProphetOfTheOldOnes
False dichotomy. They might not know of it, be intimidated/threatened themselves (or their family), or just not have the necessary evidence
AFSamizdat
You can't convince imgurians otherwise on their armchair activism.
Nah he has a point. Rather than just being a troll
Try version 2: if 10% of cops abuse their power, 10% report them, and 80% band together to force the ones who report out of the 1/
Version 2 out of? You assume we can neatly orient complex behaviors, actions, rules, individuals, relationships into neat percentages.
profession, what you're left with is 100% bad cops 2/2
MissGrangerIfYoureNasty
You're gonna get downvotes but you're right. Only a cop who's on a call can report something on that call with any validity.
verdenvidia
Also most cops dont know each other. You wouldn't hold a student responsible for not reporting a meth dealer they didn't know existed.
Right, exactly.
Oh bullshit. Do you stab your eyes out just to be blind to your coworkers' crimes? No? Then why pretend that logic makes any sort of sense?
armagetz
“It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove in court”
Body cams? Official police testimony? All the evidence you can provide as an officer? It's easy. Other countries do it. Why not the US?
They're cops. It's literally their job to apprehend criminals and protect the people. If they are unaware that their colleagues are
committing crimes, then they're still bad cops because they're not doing their damn job.
twiceroundforapound
Watcha guna do...watch guna doooo.......
Broken08
Yea! Because cops are also psychic and know everything every other cop is doing at all times! Hooray for realistic expectations!
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
their colleagues are also cops is the problems and who knows how to hide evidence better than cops. Even if they are aware they still need>
Ac1dBurn72
I feel especially lucky. If this was my family, I'd have hurt some people and been in prison already. This is despicable.
Noob3rts
Let's be honest, the Cop work wasn't that difficult since the woman's fucking face was on her Etsy account lol
wetbandits23
It’s about how there was an action taken for one and no action taken for the other, not about which action was less difficult
METROlD
Too bad the cops normal faces are posted, and not their fucking faces.
qtRaven
Wouldn't be that difficult to find Breonna Taylor's killers either.
sexyBurgurrito
fkn priorities ?
cominginhot
Stupid sexy arsonist
MrMoustache64
All over the world some Cops are Bad
londonosierra2000
Trump's America is for the rich alone.
MrCoolWhip
I feel like you don’t understand the problem. It’s an issue of which takes precedent: state laws or federal laws. It’s been the president
MrCoolWhip
Who decides. So it’s always changing. The judicial system can make the ultimate decision if need be
defgremlin
Qualified immunity has got to go , but not just for cops, for prosecutors as well
Shadowhawk000095
Fuck those guys. I pray there is justice SOMEWHERE in this messed up world.
MenaceToSobriety
Judge Mary Shaw approved bad warrants based on flimsy affidavits filed by Detective Joshua Jaynes. These are the people truly responsible.
Wadswoot
They are responsible but the police are too
MenaceToSobriety
Do go on.
thanatos777
MarketFiction
fuck those guys
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Anybody who thinks these cops are going to be punished is kidding themselves.
theyar
It wasn't murder. But sure I hear ya.
LadyMacDeath
Yes it was. Known your legal definitions https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/second-degree-murder/
theyar
Definitely not an intentional killing.
sleepinggreenidea
LE routinely charges perps they pursue with acts carried out by the police pursuing them. They're hoisted by their own petard here.
PeterNormal
To protect and serve (Their access to 90% of the city budget)
FlissFloss86Gaming
Everyone in this picture deserves to be arrested
kiddk00l
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
czpek
FUCK THE POLICE
OmniverseDayDreamer
Its funny how cops can get all CSI on ppl when they want but mostly don't do as much to solve most incidents of crime
HootSloot
Their stats on solving most crimes are pretty bad.
vahnn
Nothing is bad, no one is corrupt, everything is fine.
SBK1098
Good, glad they arrested her.
thanatos777
Sinasohn
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK
HootSloot
Car got swiped on the highway, I got make model and most of the license plate. Filled a report but police never investigated.
RoboCoonie
cuz they don't care. I found a broken into car, PD told me they wouldn't come out unless I was the owner.
rustyshacklefordpocketsand
I got t-boned and the other car drove off, leaving its bumper and license plate stuck to my car. Police said "sorry, nothing we can do".
RisingPhoenix92
With a full license plate they definitely could have please tell me you fought them on that
rustyshacklefordpocketsand
Nope. It was a small town so I drove around until I found the car. Based on it's condition and where it was parked, I doubt it was insured.
rustyshacklefordpocketsand
Figured it was not worth my taxes paying for their public defender.
Quomp
There is also a pedophile network amidst the top levels of government that could be addressed by the same technology used appropriately.
AtmaDarkwolf
Priorities man, Priorities :P Can't expect the current power distribution in the USA to bother with 'justice' if its not profit!
ThatJuanMexican
Notice all the downvotes...
Blockedbutimback
Merica
talosguideme
homerinchinatown
So... evidence? Something...? Or is this just pizzagate leftovers...?
Quomp
....do you know who Ghislaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein are?
marshawnlynchatapressinterviewsaying
Why would they go looking for themselves? They know where they are.
LordNergal
Guillotining them all would be faster and more effective.
arocktrucker777
SithElephant
Setting them on fire? I'm for it.
Startropics
They could use so.e help with this https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecapted/ecap">https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecap> https://www.europol.europa.eu/stopchildabuse
wellitseemedlikeagoodideaatthetime
And where is anonymous to expose this? Disappointed the Meme Lords never came to do anything of real value
sparehead4
When people say pedophile they usually mean child sex offender.
ChrisMorray
Well yeah. Pedos who acted on their pedo desires are pretty much automatically child sex offenders, no? If it quacks like a duck...
cokeandhookers
Its a Duck! - Dora the Explorer probably
lordcirth
Only 1/3 of pedos actually molest, and only 1/3 of molesters are pedos, so it is actually quite misleading to conflate the two.
ChrisMorray
1/3rd of molesters being pedo I can see but we're talking child molesters here.
lordcirth
1/3 of molesters of underage victims. That does count some 17yo's, sure, but the point stands.
SpecialProjectY
MyNameIsSpritePepsi
Sorry to inform you, a child molester is still a pedo.
photosforbikeforum
Please tell me you are being sarcastic.
Quomp
The Catholic Church is pure in all actions, Hollywood's sex culture is healthy and consensual, and both 2016 president elects were great.
photosforbikeforum
Your accusation is that there is a NETWORK at the TOP LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT! you moronic buffoon.
Quomp
Yes, because its a global networking ring that involves the monetary elite. Way to start screaming like the nitwit you are, though.
photosforbikeforum
Qanon. Conspiracy theorist. Get off of Imgur. Go back to the closet where you belong.
Quomp
Oh yea, Epstein was a great guy who did nothing wrong and Ghislaine should be free to go back to her day job.
photosforbikeforum
Let me guess. The Clinton's had him killed?
Quomp
That's just conspiracy too tho, huh? https://fortune.com/2020/07/20/epstein-trial-judges-son-killed-hitman-deutsche-bank-esther-salas/
Quomp
I don't know so I don't guess, but I do know that the overseeing judge's son was killed by a hitman in an attempt on her life.
photosforbikeforum
"pedophile network amidst the top levels of government". I can understand your desire to change the subject. Qanon.
Soggybathroomsock
The NSA should have a good database on those kiddy fiddlers by now...
ferafish
Shit takes ages, esp when building cases against rich people with good lawyers. Panama Papers trials started just this year.
ProfessorChaos
If they do, they sure don't seem to be doing much with it.
redhotbrianpeppers
A mirror?
n0gal
They weren't to happy when Snowden did it.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I'm sure they do.
geoffmendoza
Staff directory
Rignak
Rolodex of scum
TrollePWR
ProfessorChaos
Savage.
WhiteWizerd
The NSA doesn’t collect anything domestically. US citizens are protected by the 4th Amendment.
Soggybathroomsock
WhiteWizerd
Lol this isn’t the Cold War. Citizens have rights. Authorities that let the NSA operate don’t allow collection on us citizens here or abroad
scatter
You don't need to find them with tech if you're going to see them at a party this weekend.
Smagalicious
Or the DNC....and the RNC....
EmptyHouseBurglar
Similar but different.
HelpfulHomo
We got awful people on both sides. The key is to offer them up when shit comes to light.
dvkburrn
Seriously.. how can people justify protecting scum just by political affiliation, on any part of the spectrum?
SirenBrick
That is how the 2 party system was designed, it is why both sides work so hard to protect the system and keep each other up
Mxlespxles
And boardrooms and churches and schools. This planet is infested with disgusting humans.
DetectiveSloth
Any number of fundraising events and state dinners...
Quomp
Hollywood, the British Royalty, the Vatican, the Arab Royalty...
ButLogicallyTho
The NC
skellington01
I guess the problem isn’t finding them, it’s deciding to arrest your friends
Rignak
The problem is they know all your dirty little secrets as well. So if they go down, then you go down. That's why they let them go.
photosforbikeforum
you're kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.
BreakablePotato
Or light up their shit as an offering.
ShieldAnvil1
I am not sure they should be in jail, they were given a job they were told where to go what to do. The system is broken and acting like 1/2
PballQhead
They should absolutely face charges, but something like negligent homicide is fine by me. Judge should get indifference murder charges.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
That's not a good excuse for straight up executing an unarmed woman. Even with a no-knock warrant, they still should have announced 1/2
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
themselves as police rather than going gun-ho on anyone who was unarmed. 2/2
ShieldAnvil1
Go do some research on police training, they are literally being taught in courses to do this, it's fucked up, and it is the problem.
ShieldAnvil1
putting these 3 away will be justice or somehow make Breonna happy is laughable. The legal system is broke top to bottom, we need to fix it
maxstout808
Yeah, let’s give the system another 100 years to fix itself through policy. What’s another century of murder? I like my head in the sand!
CGWN
Considering their orders were to surveil her house, not to go in...
Someshithead241
Manslaughter, not murder. And yes, I know some people use murder for effect, doesn't matter. At some point that effect is lost and people
Someshithead241
Start taking it to mean it was legally murder, which it wasn't. Doesn't excuse the death or make it any lesser than what it was. But it
LadyMacDeath
It was murder - 2nd degree.
Someshithead241
Wasn't murder. You don't like that plain fact? Tough shit. You think that means they are getting "let off" or its excusing the outcome? Then
Someshithead241
You need to get your priorities straight and start understanding how words work, because it does neither of those things. The end.
LadyMacDeath
It was murder. 2nd degree https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/second-degree-murder/
Someshithead241
And can you prove they had the intent to kill her?
HellbirdIV
It was legally murder, though. You don't shoot someone *8 times* by accident.
Someshithead241
Yes you do. When they get caught in the cross fire while you are firing at someone else.
HellbirdIV
That's not how a crossfire works, and if the cops were shooting *through* her to get at someone else, that's still murder.
Someshithead241
Who said they were shooting through her?
LadyMacDeath
https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/second-degree-murder/
Someshithead241
Which needs them to have had intent to kill her. Which doesn't seem the case, since she was caught in cross fire.
folkscallmehi
Oh here come the downvotes. Because they were fired upon and returned fire. It is awful that she died, but the cops were serving a legal1/2
folkscallmehi
warrant approved by a judge based on the facts of the case. It was not the wrong house. But who needs facts when you’ve got outrage?
thanatos777
folkscallmehi
PballQhead
Simple, the judge who approved the warrant (which was factually incorrect) should go to jail on straight up murder charges. Responsibilty.
folkscallmehi
What was incorrect
PballQhead
The suspect was in custody.
thanatos777
folkscallmehi
JDinh
Brianna - Mitigating circ. cop was shot & injured. Same cops were sent to the wrong house by a bad warrant. More than 1 person is at fault.
Fastjack2056
You know, I was trained to not point a gun at anything I wasn't trying to kill, but maybe Cops are dumber than Cub Scouts?
HellbirdIV
Considering how many bullets actually hit Breonna Taylor (8!), either those cops are deliberate murderers, or incompetent on a cosmic scale.
Dracon27
Cops are taught to empty the magazine nationwide.
graft
So we're justifying knocking down criminal doors, and opening fire on them? Fuck that, cops are not judge/jury/executioner
CuteLittleKittenHugz
They were at the right house. Breonna was suspected of having dealings w/ the main target, her ex, a drug dealer who was using her address
thanatos777
Except her ex was in custody. Definitely not the right house.
catsandcoke
Oh well then. She totally deserved to be murdered on the night. /s
ArcaneConjecture
Ok. Can "more than 1 person" be punished?
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
they can! People really like to pretend things are simple, and its 100% the fault of Person A or B. Sometimes it's shared! Horrifying!
HaloArchitect
See "Felony Murder" in.... *checks notes* U.S. law. Unfortunately, see also "Qualified Immunity".
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Qualified Immunity refers to an immunity from civil suits regarding violations of civil liberties. The reason cops are protected as much as
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
they are is much more corruption-based.
HaloArchitect
Interesting. I concur. https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/2020/06/22/what-is-qualified-immunity-and-why-does-it-fail-at-life/
AlabasterSexington
A no knock warrant on the wrong house aka breaking and entering
JDinh
Yep. But legally supported. Things should legislatively change.
williamrichards
It wasn't the wrong house. This has been corrected so many times. Stop spreading misinformation
AlabasterSexington
Turns out I was misinformed, that being said getting a no knock warrant on your suspects ex who has no criminal record is bad police work
williamrichards
(1) the reasoning for the warrant is supposedly that packages were being dropped off at her place and picked up by the suspect. We will
williamrichards
(2) likely never know the accuracy of that report unless the FBI decides to publicize that report. If it turns out that the filling officer
CarlosGonzales
The suspect wasn't there. She was not a party to any of his dealings, so that makes it the wrong house
williamrichards
The warrant was to gather evidence. It was a no knock to minimize the possibility of the evidence being destroyed.
Tminus1622d
Well it's nice to know everyone is just one typo away from getting shot. That's pretty much what happens in Brazil (the movie)
kidred2001
I'm sorry but I blame the judge that issued the warrant far more than the officers.
herejusttopointouterrors
1st, what is this "I'm sorry" bs? 2nd, yeah...the officers committing murder is surely secondary. you'd make a great cop
ProcolHarambe
PballQhead
Both - officers should get negligent homicide charges, judge should face whatever the depraved indifference charge is, murder 2 or whatever.
Norok0311
Why?
heartsfang
It was the wrong house and the suspect was already in custody iirc. It was a house that the suspect was associated with, didn't live there.
ThePotatoBandit
Idk, blindly shooting into a building and not giving her any medical attention after the shooting, she did not die instantly, is fucked up
Canoe215
The officers were in street clothes and her S.O shot at them assuming they were robbers so they fired back (as officers under fire do)
Canoe215
It was the no knock warrant that allowed them to walk into the house with street clothes, and miscommunication that put them there initially
ThePotatoBandit
One officer fired from the outside. Shooting through a window with blinds
Fastjack2056
Judge shares responsibility. but if you show up and start blasting that's your fuck-up to live with.
wisco97
They couldn’t hit the target, they literally give people guns that can’t even hit their target. That speaks volumes.
Hulkksmasher
You've clearly never shot a handgun. Clearly not under stress when being shot at as well. Most people can't hit 5ft in front of them in high
Hulkksmasher
Stress situations. That's facts
gaidinbdj
I've never had to fire in a real-world situation, but even in the live-fire simulation ranges, my accuracy is much lower than it is at...
gaidinbdj
...a shooting range. Olympic pistol shooter shoot at 25 meters (~75 feet) and have *two minutes* per shot. And they have the benefit...
gaidinbdj
...of not having to question if they should shoot at the target. In the real world, you have, if you're *lucky*, a second or two.
wisco97
So by that logic, an officer who feared for their life shouldn’t land every shot, so any officer who lands a majority of their shots on a 1/
rcraigsmith9000
No they don’t. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve read so far.
wisco97
Why, they spend more hours on fire arms training than anything else and can’t even excel at that...
JOKERZwild86
Tell. You what, go and train for years and get into a shoot out and see how well your training does. You’re never prepared
rcraigsmith9000
I have. I also agreed with your previous comment. They still don’t give weapons to people who don’t know how to use them.
wisco97
They could put them in high stress situations, use Simuntion, creates the adrenaline and fear of pain and getting hit.
wisco97
Firefighters are put in safe, but stressful situations when training. It allows them to practice calming down and assessing the situation
rcraigsmith9000
I’m sure they do. That still won’t ever make anyone ready for live fire. Been there done that. Until you are in that situation you don’t kno
JOKERZwild86
When someone is shooting back it’s hard to hit someone, it’s not like the movies. Been in my share of firefights and the adrenaline alone..
rcraigsmith9000
You are correct.
JOKERZwild86
Will cause your hands to be shaky, no one can keep a steady aim.
wisco97
They train to keep calm in a firefight. If they can’t do that, then what is all the training for?
spudpicker
You can't effectively simulate a life-or-death situation in training, and you can't control involuntary chemical responses to danger.
rcraigsmith9000
They are not being shot at while training. Smh!
Bucknasty28
To decrease the expected percentage of missed shots
JOKERZwild86
They aren’t being shot at while training and no matter how much training you have it’s never the same as a real scenario
idonthaveanaccount
So your point is police are doing their job well and we should be focusing on state attorneys?
ChrisMorray
No, clearly. If that was your takeaway then you're part of the problem.
idonthaveanaccount
Ok, help me then. This looks like 2 cases where the only difference is one was charged and one wasn't.
Cthulhuchooseyou
Police bust your door while you're sleeping, don't announce or identify, they're in the wrong house and the person they're looking for is 1/
Cthulhuchooseyou
already caught. You pull a gun thinking you're being robbed. They kill you and shoot your SO. Months later, nothing's happened to them. 2/2
Quomp
No, the point is police choose to do their job for very specific reasons that pander to a small minority of supremacists protecting fascism.
idonthaveanaccount
Police don't lay charges
Quomp
Police unions protect perpetrators.
FrappuchinoFabuloso
Are police officers not entitled to legal representation?
Quomp
They should not be entitled to paid leave following the murder of innocent victims.
Cthulhuchooseyou
If you're a cop with "selective justice", you're a traitor to the department and uniform.
idonthaveanaccount
Police don't lay charges
Cthulhuchooseyou
If they are neither judge nor jury, why do they continue to execute innocent civilians?
idonthaveanaccount
There are plenty of legitimate issues to deal with, I don't see the value in muddying the water.
Cthulhuchooseyou
"Muddy the water", aka drawing attention to shit and injustice that's been unanswered for decades, while police deck out in military gear.
CurbYourClassWar
No, but they'll execute you or beat you for them anyway
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Iatesomecoffeecups
When the 1300 try, they are fired.
CarlosGonzales
It's more like 400 bad cops
MaxMinutiae
I think its mainly because we revile snitching, and that label is often given to cops who do the right thing.
apbadogs
Because all 1312 cops all work together and know what every other cop does, right?
greatgatogrant
Both sides using broken logic: all cops are bad, all protestors are rioters, all trump supporters are antimask, etc
NinetiesBoomer
It’s a us vs them mentality that surfaces in most things in life. It feels worse the more you notice.
spitfires2000
ALL that still support Trump ARE kinda stupid tho.
sockshoesockshoe
Absolutes are easier for people to remember. But we should be careful bc real life isn't Left vs Right, Good vs Bad, or Black vs White.
greatgatogrant
This right here is a rational human
turkishbutnotnationalist
yeah but the cops who turn in a bad cop are now labeled as buddy fuckers. If they call the police, good luck with them showing up.
turkishbutnotnationalist
A cop who turns in a bad cop could be having their house invaded and the cops he called for just won't show because they're labeled as BF
CheekyNand0s
District Attorneys. You already know who those officers are, it's not up to the police to pursue charges. It's up to the DA
Pyranamus
Oh, are you talking about just Breonna Taylor’s case here? Because in general I would say issues are much more widespread than DAs.
JStengah
If the police are corrupt enough, they will sabotage the DA's other cases if they pursue charges against their fellow officers.
CheekyNand0s
That's not how it works AT ALL
sleepinggreenidea
Too right! Often, the police union will threaten to endorse the DA's political rival, or enact work slowdowns to pressure mayors/councilors!
zphobic
It absolutely is, lol. Police have tremendous powers to stonewall and interfere with the justice system. That thin blue line, man.
JStengah
https://mobile.twitter.com/MplsWard3/status/1267891878801915904
JStengah
In 2014/15, New York cops staged a slowdown in response to protests against their murder of Eric Garner.
mrbellek
Agreed. This is exactly why ACAB.
CheekyNand0s
You're abellend
SeriousCloud
Always Carry A Bat, Always Conceal A Bologna
ahorseelbowdeepinme
So if not all protestors are rioters... but some are... and the protestors do nothing to stop the rioters... APAB?
parkerh17
No bc a protesters is not responsible for other protesters but a trained powerful police unit is responsible for its members.
TheTechDweller
but just saying ACAB doesn't help or mean anything. Doesn't explain to those that don't understand and has wide interpretations
Quid739
What help can you expect from a mere statement itself? It is concise, a catch-phrase, the explanation to which can still be enquired. And -
Quid739
- how wide are the interpretations of a four-word expression? Do you mean that there are many different ideas about what change is required?
TheTechDweller
I mean that "ACAB" isn't the best thing to share alone as it leads people to come up with their own ideas instead of teaching
ProphetOfTheOldOnes
False dichotomy. They might not know of it, be intimidated/threatened themselves (or their family), or just not have the necessary evidence
AFSamizdat
You can't convince imgurians otherwise on their armchair activism.
Iatesomecoffeecups
Nah he has a point. Rather than just being a troll
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Try version 2: if 10% of cops abuse their power, 10% report them, and 80% band together to force the ones who report out of the 1/
AFSamizdat
Version 2 out of? You assume we can neatly orient complex behaviors, actions, rules, individuals, relationships into neat percentages.
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
profession, what you're left with is 100% bad cops 2/2
MissGrangerIfYoureNasty
You're gonna get downvotes but you're right. Only a cop who's on a call can report something on that call with any validity.
verdenvidia
Also most cops dont know each other. You wouldn't hold a student responsible for not reporting a meth dealer they didn't know existed.
MissGrangerIfYoureNasty
Right, exactly.
ChrisMorray
Oh bullshit. Do you stab your eyes out just to be blind to your coworkers' crimes? No? Then why pretend that logic makes any sort of sense?
armagetz
“It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove in court”
ChrisMorray
Body cams? Official police testimony? All the evidence you can provide as an officer? It's easy. Other countries do it. Why not the US?
ChrisMorray
They're cops. It's literally their job to apprehend criminals and protect the people. If they are unaware that their colleagues are
ChrisMorray
committing crimes, then they're still bad cops because they're not doing their damn job.
twiceroundforapound
Watcha guna do...watch guna doooo.......
Broken08
Yea! Because cops are also psychic and know everything every other cop is doing at all times! Hooray for realistic expectations!
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
their colleagues are also cops is the problems and who knows how to hide evidence better than cops. Even if they are aware they still need>