CanadianPeaceMaker
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May 11, 2020 3:47 AM
CanadianPeaceMaker
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somethingslightlyclever
Omnipotence0
He was willing to give humanity a common enemy, it will work. Give us an actual threat and we will throw everything at it before going back.
orzhvopatriarch
without upkeep within a year or two we'd be back to business as usual
B44a
If NYC was destroyed there would be people saying it's a fake city or just a bunch of crisis actors. Fucking maroons.
squintish
Just needed a little squid pro quo.
Legomaniac91
Ozymandias was also working in a world with a radically different (and, arguably, worse) climate than our own.
AgentFour
Also single catastrophic events stir emotions more than prolonged abstract ones.
RoseTheSpecialEdTeacher
This why Bush has BOTH the highest and lowest approval rating of any president. It's rather interesting.
etherbunny41
Yup. That's what had me go from "We got our Squid!" to "That wasn't relevant at all".
CHIZOSAN
I really loved this show, also this is very true!
rykinpoe
The original one with giant alien squid or the one from the movie?
TheFastpaws
Ya, the focused hatred thing was always a failed long-term plan. It also did fail if you read up on the sequel.
cepacolusmaximus
fuck, now I have to google Ozymandias.
Cryolith
Any plan that required people to behave rationally would fail.
NinjablazerZero
Ozymandias plan did not rely on rationality, but rather relied on people reacting emotionally.
Higure
Sure, people aren't rational. But they are, on the whole, rather predictable (at least in large numbers).
Weareallprimates
It's true! Watch The Boys on Amazon. Im not advertising the show. Just my opinion and delight!
TheBlueMuppet
Look what *immediately* happened with the yogurt in Ohio.
nonCanadianGoose
Watch an economist play monopoly
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cepacolusmaximus
Spending 50 years encouraging the torch-and-pitchfork crowd didn't help, either.
Weareallprimates
Rationality and having a "rationale" are two different things. They want you to think they're the same.
tdubsters
She seems fun.
AndThenThereWereSquirrels
She is. Go watch anything Funhaus.
SnarfyMcSnarferson
that's my favorite episode of Breaking Bad
nonCanadianGoose
Much like the theories behind all political and economic systems.
NigerianPrincePlsSendMonies
Imadethisaccounttopost
It didn't work, he ended up having to go to the prime DC Universe to bring back Dr Manhatten to fix things.
TotallySaneScientist
Are we talking about the poem?
LovelyMover
Needs to be a tangible menace that has an immediate and horrifyingly high body count...
HaydukeLivesGoddamnit
That’s why normalized infection rates tell a deeper story than gross #s. More people likely to know someone who has/had it.
StarkRG
And, in the TV series, anyway, he set up repeated squid "attacks" to keep people on their toes.
NZSheeps
So .... murder hornets?
LovelyMover
Arm the peeples!
dogestyle
Carol Baskin with a lifetime supply of sardine oil
Ertale
And fear. It worked coz Dr. Manhattan would have come back to whopp ass. Fear does keep people in check.
StarkRG
It wasn't Dr. Manhattan, it was a giant squid from another universe (well, it wasn't, but everyone was meant to believe it was).
FelixG
That person only saw the movie, not the comic. In the movie they changed it to be Dr Manhattan rather than dimensional squids.
StarkRG
I've only seen the movie and TV show, I think the squid concept was slightly better.
FelixG
It really is. Its the difference of "lets team up to face this threat and get over our differences!" and "behave or dads gonna spank you."
Weentit
to be fair, He staged an alien attack.
RDSRELOADED
Oh shit it’s Alanah
FrodoTheDodo
Its CONFUSED TIME
Lucho1
It would not have worked in America, most of the world is getting there shit together
TheLaughingMagician
That's the point. Nothing is ever over Adrian.
atomicsockmonkey
Bingo. That was my first thought as well.
TheLastBeerBender
This is his plan. It's in the extended bonus cut.
Regeny
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings. Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair"
DoseOfScience
One of the things that came to mind was the fact that the Soviets and Allies literally fought Nazis and that lead directly to the Cold War.
tacticusprime
The Cold War happened AFTER the Nazis were beaten. Isn't that the point? It's an example of enemies working together.
Mack1986
Soviets and nazis fought together and that led to the cold 2qr
Miskyavine
They did atleast when they ganged up on poland
JokerVonDoloh
After Germany, Poland, and Hungary ganged up on Checzoslovakia with the blessing from the France and the UK.
Soggybathroomsock
*it led directly to Command & Conquer Red Alert 2.
terithian
Nah, it was the Soviets and Allies NOT fighting Nazis that led to Red Alert!
sunyudai
Exactly, CnC:RA Germany was an allied country. Einstein assassinated Hitler in that timeline.
Standingranby
Is this talking about a different Ozymandias than the King of Kings? Why am I confused by this?
acousticminja
Humanity's survival strategy: create a massive, terrifying monster so everyone stops fighting each other and starts panicking together. Peak diplomacy right there.
darkhalfbreed
My dumb ass was thinking about what Ramses II's plan they were talking about.
quicksilver1
That is, in fact the password they use to break into a computer at one point in the comic.
Memeeater
What is the real situation? All I can think of is a broken statue in a barren desert and the significance and social commentary of the text
Dirtsailor2010
The watchmen movie like this other person said. I too thought of Ramses
WeSingLalaWhileTheDevilDoesTheChaCha
Id think it was the Watchmen movie, the plan of the antagonist
Potatopeelerkind
Wait, it's not? That would explain why I'm so confused.
TheRealSlimSchrammy
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
JhericFury
Said in the voice of the narrator from civilisation.
TheRealSlimSchrammy
Leonard Nimoy
chaosej
I think it would work. In the book, he created a monster, which served as a common enemy, and no one else on the planet knew where it 1/?
orzhvopatriarch
it wouldn't work in the long run, i'd give it two years before people stopped caring if nothing else happened. He'd need to keep at it
chaosej
Came from. It created a fear/paranoia of the unknown in everyone, so people/countries could not blame each other. It is imperative that 2/?
chaosej
It looks out of this world and affects everyone. Also imperative that the watchmen keep quiet in order for it to work. I do agree that 3/?
chaosej
The movie version would not work, since they can pin point the source of the event (Dr. Manhattan), and would start the blame game.
IAmDrBanner
Yeah, but what happens when the monster is gone. Does he just do it again?
StarkRG
In the TV series he set up a device to shower tiny alien squids on random cities at random times.
IAmDrBanner
I get that, but people would eventually get used to that. Either he would have to routinely put the human race in danger or they would /1
IAmDrBanner
just go back to the old ways once they adapted. It is just not a susteinable solution. /2
StarkRG
If I'm remembering correctly, people were starting to become complacent with the squid "attacks" at the beginning of the show.
MrBoopleSnootFluffkins
I know I'll look stupid, but I don't understand this at all. I've noticed that Alanah is a very pretty lady though.
GummyGopher
MrBoopleSnootFluffkins
Is that the same lady?
GummyGopher
Yeh
tacticusprime
It's a reference to Watchmen.
MrBoopleSnootFluffkins
Thanks for replying.
IAmDrBanner
It is a reference to the plot of Watchmen. Ozymandia's destroyed several major cities and blamed it on a "pretend enemy" in order to make /1
IAmDrBanner
humanity stand together against a common enemy and grow as a world community of peace and prosperity. /2
Rubyredslippers33
sooo Iron man 3 with "The Mandarin"?
MrBoopleSnootFluffkins
Thanks for replying.
Yeee5
I'd also like to add that every iteration of Watchmen is fantastic and I highly recommend the g. novel, the movie and the show
MrBoopleSnootFluffkins
I tried to watch the 2009 movie on a plane once (I didn't purposely fly to watch it, it was just one of the options on the flight) but I...
DrRad
His plan was to provide a common enemy. That absolutely would work. It’s the only thing that would work.
Youhavinagiraffe
Except it doesn't work in real life situations. The US "came together" to fight Nazis... but still had racial segregation and McCarthyism
ArdentSlacker
If it hadn't been for Pearl Harbor, the US's nazis might have persuaded us to help germany.
terithian
I think their point was that COVID-19 is a common enemy, and it hasn't worked for shit.
apollo661
Because people can't directly see it, and the vast majority of people haven't had to deal with it firsthand.
Averien
It's a common threat, not a common enemy.
Varaxis
Yea, how do you kick COVID-19's ass if you can't shoot a gun at it or bomb it? XD
root1657
Our problem is not that we lack a common enemy, rather that both side want to fix things with opposite ideas.
ArdentSlacker
Yeah, republicans want to fix "alive people" and "billionaires making less money".
root1657
??
maximumhippo
Both sides want to fix different things, not so much opposite ideas as *opposing* ideas.
Xyzair
I will agree, but only because opposing allows for a more nuanced view, ie Everyone can have any pet vs. everyone can have a only a rabbit.
jasondeslin
One side wants to fix things. The other wanted things to be just like they used to be on TV shows, but never actually were in real life.
root1657
And both think it's the other one...
ArdentSlacker
"but both sides" as the KKK march for only one side.
orzhvopatriarch
You mean like how we totally all came together to fight off the common enemy of a global pandemic?
FelixG
there is a difference between a threat, and an enemy. A virus is an amorphous threat compared to something you can actively combat yourself.
orzhvopatriarch
Buy ozzy's plan is for this one attack to keep humans focused against some amorphous alien other that is never going to be seen again
vanetz
It didn't work because you can't shoot COVID-19 in the face and that's the only way to "fight an enemy" people understand.
IAmDrBanner
You couldnt exactly shoot Ozy's fake monster either, could you?
orzhvopatriarch
Right, but Ozzy common enemy is a fake squid monster that there will be no more of, there won't be anything to shoot there either.
vanetz
In the movie, at least. Haven't read the comic.
NinjablazerZero
They were also told that they were sent by aliens from another dimension, so even though more never came, they were expecting an invasion.
orzhvopatriarch
And you think that humans would keep caring about that a year later without new incident? A month later people won't stay inside now.
vanetz
Uh didn't he make it look like Dr.Manhattan had done it? I mean, it wouldn't kill him but you *can* technically shoot him in the face.
NinjablazerZero
In the comics he sent a bunch of Squid monsters and said they were aliens from another dimension planning an invasion.