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"I'D RATHER MY CHILDREN BE DEAD OVER EVEN A CHANCE OF THEM BEING AUTISTIC" -My understanding of anti-vaxxers. Not that it even does give a chance of turning them autistic.
BlackHoleSon01
I love seeing one generation of imbeciles taking out another generation of imbeciles.
somethingstupidandclever
My brother is a pediatrician. The number one pediatrician in his area panders to the antivax parents. Got there by just agreeing that essential oils work and basically just agrees with whatever the parents say. Once my bro couldn't find chelation drugs in the whole area. Turns out this guy ordered all of them and was giving them to the kid's who's parents had to vax for school but were worried about the heavy metals in them. I wish i was joking.
McPuffinStuff
EMHPicardo
SaintSleepyWeasel
Ooo dark ... Ouchies.
Shaodyn
"Where can I find a doctor who pushes conspiracy theory nonsense instead of doing his actual job?" Your best bet would be to find one who's had his medical license revoked.
madvin
Why does she need a pediatrician if she refuses to vaccine her child?!! Huge contradiction... Cunt!!
Oatmealman1
If you push to keep vaccines AWAY from your children, they should be taken from you until you learn common sense. (Unless they are LEGITIMATELY allergic)
reverendbonobo
bro02tc
Why even look for a pediatrician. Thoughts and prayers. Church is where to go they will heal that child so quick.
Mikeiller
"I need a doctor that's going to tell me his job is complete bullshit and I shouldn't trust medical science to help."
Nikolai5
Is that child abuse? If your kid get an easily preventable illness because you refused treatment then you should be treated as though you inflicted it upon them intentionally, which is a serious crime.
Fishkeeper
Enforcement of that gets really fiddly around the edges, when it gets into things like "this kid has a legitimate immune system issue that makes certain vaccines unsafe for them". In spirit I agree, in practice I worry about people whose kids have really obscure immune problems or other conditions that would make normally important medical treatments unsafe.
Fishkeeper
(thinking of how many "Munchausen's by proxy" cases there are that turn out to actually be "this kid has a weird obscure difficult-to-detect illness that doctors couldn't find so they decided it must be the parent making it up/making their kid sick".)
tooomanystevesgotbanned
It should be.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5308147/
Parental Refusal of Childhood Vaccines and Medical Neglect Laws
TL/DR:
Results. Our search yielded 9 cases from 5 states. Most courts (7 of 9) considered vaccine refusal to constitute neglect. In the 4 cases decided in jurisdictions that permitted religious exemptions, courts either found that vaccine refusal did not constitute neglect or considered it neglect only in the absence of a sincere religious objection to vaccination.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
Conclusions. Some states have a legal precedent for considering parental vaccine refusal as medical neglect, but this is based on a small number of cases. Each state should clarify whether, under its laws, vaccine refusal constitutes medical neglect.
TheShoggothOfMosquitoCreek
I'll be downvoted to oblivion, but letting your offspring die of easily preventable causes is a form of natural selection.
retailmemedrone
In 2009 I divorced my ex-wife who became an anti vaxxer. She ended up having 3 kids who now are all in the system of the state of Mississippi because she died from Covid in 2021. Her Husband is brain damaged to the point he cannot function on his own. Her kids are now wards of the state.
vewyeepysleepy
Have you checked out US10703789B2? That's certainly an answer.
Imadethisaccounttopost
I'll keep bringing it up.
My roommate's sister specifically searched for a doctor in New Hampshire that wouldn't push vaccines on her kids.
She then convinced her parents to be anti-vax during the pandemic, to the point they were proud to say they were not vaxed.
Thankfully my roommate isn't as stupid.
Doctors or any medical personnel that are anti-vax should not only lose their license, but be barred from working in medicine, period.
anobviousthrowawayaccountduh
I had an aunt and uncle that both died within a week of each other from Covid because they didn’t want to be vaccinated. Their adult kids are now having to raise the younger ones. My mom lost her brother and sister-in-law and still believes conspiracy theories about the vax.
AllTheKitties
I'm so sorry for your losses..
We went from extremely low contact to no contact with my MIL when, after her sister (who she lived next door to and was very close with) died of it, she said covid was a Democrat hoax to make Trump look worse.
Years ago, she was better. Her husband was actually a really good guy and a great influence on her. But he got sick and died, and she started drinking again and now here we are..
Imadethisaccounttopost
Literally, my roommates father came to visit one time, and off offhandedly mentioned that not only was he not vaccinated, but he's had covid 3 times.
What makes this even more disgusting, I've only known them since 2013, and his wife had to carry an oxygen tank with her wherever she went due to some breathing issue.
Around the last 2010s, she had a lung transplant... yet are anti-vaxxers.
Talk about a waste.
Illinifan88
Well she won't be getting any more transplants in the future with their disregard for best medical practices. They won't waste a precious organ on that.
Puptron
Repo that shit.
Cornflakes91
[monty python organ donor skit]
Imadethisaccounttopost
It's still disgusting that a woman in her 50s who had to drag an oxygen tank around with her, and make special accomodations for it in her car. Who had to have a lung transplant. Would be anti-vax for a disease that primarily attacks the lungs...
Imadethisaccounttopost
After announcing he wasn't vaxxed and had had covid 3 times, he offered to take us to dinner.
I politely refused, using the excuse of letting my roommate spend time with his dad.
(Minor clarification, they aren't actually related. Roommate lost his parents in his early teens, and the person I call his father was a close friend of the family. They took him in and raised him. So he's technically his father/father figure.)
vcgetdown
Ive probably had covid more than that and I'm vaxed, what exactly are you trying to suggest with the repitition that he got it 3 times
Fishkeeper
You'd think sooner or later he would have gone "hm, this sucks, maybe I should try not to have it happen again".
vcgetdown
My point was that I was vaxed and boosted and still got it as much as if not more than him. It doesn't prevent you from getting it at all
TripleDane
You didn't do well in math class did you?
vcgetdown
Are you disagreeing that 3 or more is likely more than 3? Thats the only math involved and it's pretty straight forward
Sooner70
Nah... That guy is probably the pediatric oncologist. The anti-vaxer is probably #2 though.
PalaverQuader
AyatollahBahloni
Dark but accurate. PS: fuck cancer.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
Amen to that. Fuck cancer.
ifyoutakemeseriouslythatsonyou
ninjaguineapig
Possibly the most depressing job on the planet
SpiteLip
I bet the good days feel real good though. Even if they are rare, I imagine just a couple can keep you in the game for a while.
GrandPubabofMoldistan
And yet they are always the most caring people I have met besides palliative care
tgiaa
Proof of a loving God.
pyroshen
Must have really high highs though. Saving a baby life
TheDrunkenWrench
My Oncologist has to be the kindest man in existence, I have no idea how he does it after decades, but I feel extremely lucky that I got to be one of his positive outcomes.
SternLecturePlumbing
Yes.
blainetog
I guess it would depend in your perspective. Those doctors have got to know that most of their patients would have no chance at all without medical intervention, so every child that goes into remission is a victory against impossible odds, and the children who pass away at least had the best care they could give them. But I can't imagine the days when the latter comes to pass are easy to get through regardless of how they frame it.
reallybigdogtrappedinamansbody
The children pass away. You still have to explain that process to the parents.
Fishkeeper
I'm pretty sure any perspective that involves fighting insurance companies to get help for your child patients who are dying painful, inevitable deaths is gonna suck no matter what.
ILoveKiwiBirds
Right behind anything in IT
bamblebimble
Mhm, yep. Treating children that are probably going to do regardless of what you do is less bad than being in IT
bamblebimble
/s by the way, in case that wasn't obvious
blainetog
Read the room.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
Easier to look for pediatricians that have had their license to practice medicine revoked.
FortifiedWhine
Yeah but then you also run the risk of them fiddling with your kid.
TohmaytohTohmahtoh
True dat. Not that I am endorsing going to a former doctor whose license was revoked for any reason. It was just a snarky comment...
Badprenup
The parent already doesn't care if the kid dies horribly from an easily preventable disease. You think they'll care if the kid gets abused?
honeybooboobear
Just curious have any of yall read any books about vaccines? Cause I have read 3 800+ page books about vaccines and you would be shocked. Also, why does a newborn baby need the Hepatitis B vaccine right after they are born when it is a sexually transmitted disease? And every mom is tested for Hepatitis B as part of her prenatal labs?
BrigidtheMechLady
Because the mom can pass Hep B to the baby during birth.
honeybooboobear
You are correct. Which is why all moms are tested for Hep B during pregnancy. If they have not had prenatal labs drawn or the hospital can not retrieve them in time the baby is given Hep B vaccine regardless
slightlybrokenegg
Maybe you should work on reading comprehension.
dro1215
Fair
GoodBrotherGrimm
Fairly stupid maybe.
dro1215
No no, fair points to bring up, for sure.
GoodBrotherGrimm
No no, conspiracy theory bullshit with the source "I have read 3 big non-specific books" is not a "fair point".
Worakls
I call BS.
DrDownunder
I, as many others have done, can answer all your questions and debunk all your myths. But what is the point, will you change your mind in the presence of new information? I doubt it, and that is because your conspiracy is based on lies and preconceived ideas about vaccines. I applaud others who are trying but unless you are prepared to change your mind, what's the point in asking. You are just here to peddle a dangerous narrative thinly veiled as questions.
Axiomatic13
If you are reading books and not peer-reviewed studies, no wonder you're confused.
wandermanspacebot
Who wrote them?
grhope
To answer your question, babies are very susceptible to infections if they have Hepatitis B, so the goal is to ensure they don't contract it. While most mothers go through prenatal labs, not all of them do. Additionally, a mother can contract Hep B after the labs occur. Therefore to cover bases, the safest option is to vaccinate babies. The Hep B vaccine is very safe and dangerous side effects are incredibly rare. Statistically if your concern is baby safety, the vaccine is the best option.
honeybooboobear
If the mother has not had prenatal labs the infant will receive the Hep B vaccine. Or the mother can have the lab drawn at the hospital she is giving birth in and it takes a a couple of hours to come back. Why not have that be the standard? To retest all moms for hep B on admission to the hospital instead of giving a vaccine that might not be necessary at birth? Money. The pharmaceutical company wants to make money. The hepatitis b vaccine has 250mcg of aluminum in it. This is in the recombivax
honeybooboobear
The FDA released guidelines in January of 2001 that a baby should not receive more than 4-5mcg/kg a day of aluminum. This would be around 16-20 for an 8 pound baby. The vaccine has 250mcg in it. Aluminum is a know neurotoxin.
grhope
If you inject a liter of water into your bloodstream, you will die. So why are doctors recommending we drink 3 times that amount each day?
honeybooboobear
Also, I have dedicated my life to taking care of neonates. My upmost concern is the safety of neonates.
GoodBrotherGrimm
That's terrifying to hear.
grhope
I don't believe you, but if you are telling the truth, I'm concerned you may suck at your job. Someone dedicated to taking care of neonates should know that the FDA limit you are referencing is related to intravenous nutrition intake for prenatal babies and those with kidney issues, which has a far lower limit than a vaccine, because they have different methods of administration and absorption rates. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Dxoh
STIs are called sexually transmitted because that is the most common way for the infection to spread, not because it is exclusively spread by sexual contact. Without knowing what you've read, it's pointless to mention three 800 page books. For all we know, they were written by Andrew Wakefield, and are worthless. Regardless of the quality of the books, however, you aren't even scratching the surface of true research into the matter.
honeybooboobear
That is true. But the statistical chance of that happening are close to zero. And do not over ride the risk of injecting a vaccine filled with 250mcg of aluminum hydroxide into a neonate with a developing brain. In January of 2001, the FDA issued guidelines for the safe amount of aluminum exposure for infants to be 4 to 5 micrograms per kilogram per day. Which means that the safe amount for a newborn weighing 4kg (around 8 pounds) at birth would be 16-20 mcg of aluminum.
slightlybrokenegg
If you where so smart you would know this is in regards to parenteral nutrition admiixtures not vaccines and the number isn’t 5 micrograms it 5 mug/kg/d. Like I said your reading comprehension is fucked go back to school.
Dxoh
Not to mention that those are two entirely separate compounds. Sodium metal has a much different safe level than common table salt, so why would the safe levels of aluminum and aluminum hydroxide be the same?
JCBalance
You don't understand chemistry either. Aluminum is not aluminum hydroxide.
GoodBrotherGrimm
...you know that book doesn't equal true, yeah? "Hurr durr me read vague, nonspecific books" is not a compelling argument.
dro1215
You seem intellectual. Let’s talk about the Covid vaccine. Im opinionated
GoodBrotherGrimm
Wow, you mean I get to argue with a conspiracy theorist? It's like a dream come true.
DrownedMan95
You've read nearly four thousand books on vaccinations and don't understand that STD's can be passed during pregnancy?
honeybooboobear
Like I said Hepatitis B is tested on moms and if the baby is positive they receive the vaccine and HBIG (hepatitis b immunoglobulin) after birth.
DrownedMan95
So then what is the confusion?
honeybooboobear
They are checked during pregnancy.
DrownedMan95
So, you know the answer to the two questions you asked?
grhope
So, not all books are created equal. If I read 3 books about molecules, but they were all published before Neils Bohr's Bohr Model, then my understanding of molecule structure is going to be pretty bad. Or for vaccines, if I read a book by like Andrew Wakefield, the man who kicked off the belief that vaccines cause autism through a fraudulent paper, I'm probably going to be entirely wrong.
FortifiedWhine
I think the idiot meant 3 x 800pg books. Must be some kind of self-educated super-genius epidemiologist then.
DrownedMan95
Thanks for the correction. So they're bragging about reading 3 books? It sounds like something the antagonist would say in portal 2 when trying to sound smart.
honeybooboobear
I actually am a Neonatal Nurse Practitioner, and received my master’s degree from Vanderbilt University. I have worked at a major medical hospital for 15 years taking care of the sickest babies in the world. So yeah I’m not an idiot. I am highly educated on the subject matter.
slightlybrokenegg
Lmmfao no you aren’t your one of those fucking idiots who thinks they are smarter than everyone around them but can’t even comprehend the things they read.
mzjsgalleries233502
Doesn’t seem so be sure never to let you touch my kids
DrDownunder
PhD in molecular microbiology, masters in cellular and molecular biology and 20 years of active research speaking here. I would also like to confirm, that on this topic, you are an idiot. Also my daughter spent time in NICU, you are not representative of those hero nurses and I hope your dangerous opinions lead you to a different job or no job at all.