Low latency motion scaling of a microsurgery assistance robot

Dec 29, 2024 5:42 PM

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Low latency motion scaling of a microsurgery assistance robot

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Ok, but did they do surgery on a grape?

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Chronic microphallus enjoyer here, i..

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Now pluck your eyelashes with it

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Weren't we supposed to do remote surgery via 5G lol.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I had a robotic laparoscopic hernia repair (umbilical, belly button went from an innie to an outie... and worse) 5 years back with a 'DaVinci.'
They wheeled me in to the surgical suite to see a multi-armed giant robot praying mantis hanging over me.

"Well, that's not intimidating at all," I said.

"Ha, yeah, we like to call it Skynet!" and they knocked me out.

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

HE DO DA PINCHY

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

they did surgery on a grape!

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I suspect it was’t a table grape though because when it was cut into it let out a little whine.

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Awesome, until you discover it takes 200 to 500 surgeries to do the skill without a serious “miscalculation”….oops, next..oops, next..oops..

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Took me like 5 loops to find the logo

2 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

That's indeed very well hidden.

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Wow! You could do surgery on a grape!

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Recently retired veterinarian. Could have used this for days when I spayed a dozen cats.

2 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 0

All at once? Wow.

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I bet they are a bitch to sanitize though, resulting in long delays between patients.

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Here's one solution, very enlightning lecture about compliance (sturctures made out of a single or at least as little amount of parts possible). Lots of fun to hear a compliance professor bitch about a compliant bottlecap (since beginning of 2024 they are a single piece made to stay attached to the bottle, 99% of people have to suffer because 1% of people are assholes, what else is new). https://imgur.com/btEMXf1

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I’d have two veterinary technicians prepping. I’d just change gloves and step up to the next patient (two tables).

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Didn't you notice the bandolier of tips? If you're only using one or two types, you can load up spares to swap with between cats while the others are sanitized which I'm assuming is a high temp bath.

2 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Autoclave. More of a steam pressure cooker type thing

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Once for work I shot some video of a DaVinci robot in action. Those things are insane. It reminded me of something out of the Matrix, meanwhile a surgeon is sitting at a VR desk in the corner controlling the thing.
Also it doesn't have to be local. They can set it up so a surgeon on the other side of the world can perform the surgeries.

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yeah, when I worked at a hospital, people didn't understand why I was so furious every time computers got infected with shit and cut their Internet access. OR computers were knocked offline and even bricked due to some of the early malware. "So? Just reimage them." "If they go down during surgery, that's a patient's life on the line. Some are remote surgeries, others are surgeries done with video consultation. THEY CAN'T GO OFFLINE."

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I've done tech support for hospitals before, sometimes there's some real urgency.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don't know if I'd want a computer IN the OR unless absolutely needed. They have fans, collect airborne particles, aren't easy to clean, blah, blah, blah. The mouse/keyboard alone must have a bazillion germs on them.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Tablets have few of those problems. Keeping the thing clean can be done with a disposable transparent cover over the entire device. Probably want to downclock it some for thermal reasons, though.

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As for the robot itself, it is made to be used in a surgical/sterile environment. The DaVinci robot has plastic sleeves that cover most of the moving bits. And the robot is controlled by handles like in OPs post, not a mouse and keyboard.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There are computers in every OR to access the patient files.

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

"unless absolutely needed"

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Imagine dying to a latency/lag spike in real life. The surgeon yells and flips the table.

2 years ago | Likes 77 Dislikes 0

Realtime OS, no lagspikes.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

TBH this could be done with pure embedded control no OS at all, only reason to have one would be for remote operations but these may not be designed for that.

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

git gud doc

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I work in healthcare, and ages ago we had an interesting (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) presentation about such machines. It started with simple benefits, less people in the OR, easier sterile field. Then it zoomed out. A specialist in a different hospital could do the operation, and so on.

They then showed a tropical beach. "Or you could do your work from here" The crowd liked that.

"Or the people already living there could do it for a lot less money" Crowd didn't like that nearly as much :D

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Decimals are important https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Software updates mid surgery, or subscription runs out so the surgeon has to wait during unskippable ads.

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I worry about surgeons doing 360 no-scopes...

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Man. Surgeons are already kinda high strung. Imagine a rotor going out.

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but he flips the table with his little tiny surgery hands.

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The situation keeps getting worse, surgeon rage quits the procedure.

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