I had a robotic laparoscopic hernia repair (umbilical, belly button went from an innie to an outie... and worse) 5 years back with a 'DaVinci.' They wheeled me in to the surgical suite to see a multi-armed giant robot praying mantis hanging over me.
"Well, that's not intimidating at all," I said.
"Ha, yeah, we like to call it Skynet!" and they knocked me out.
Here's one solution, very enlightning lecture about compliance (sturctures made out of a single or at least as little amount of parts possible). Lots of fun to hear a compliance professor bitch about a compliant bottlecap (since beginning of 2024 they are a single piece made to stay attached to the bottle, 99% of people have to suffer because 1% of people are assholes, what else is new). https://imgur.com/btEMXf1
Didn't you notice the bandolier of tips? If you're only using one or two types, you can load up spares to swap with between cats while the others are sanitized which I'm assuming is a high temp bath.
Once for work I shot some video of a DaVinci robot in action. Those things are insane. It reminded me of something out of the Matrix, meanwhile a surgeon is sitting at a VR desk in the corner controlling the thing. Also it doesn't have to be local. They can set it up so a surgeon on the other side of the world can perform the surgeries.
Yeah, when I worked at a hospital, people didn't understand why I was so furious every time computers got infected with shit and cut their Internet access. OR computers were knocked offline and even bricked due to some of the early malware. "So? Just reimage them." "If they go down during surgery, that's a patient's life on the line. Some are remote surgeries, others are surgeries done with video consultation. THEY CAN'T GO OFFLINE."
Don't know if I'd want a computer IN the OR unless absolutely needed. They have fans, collect airborne particles, aren't easy to clean, blah, blah, blah. The mouse/keyboard alone must have a bazillion germs on them.
Tablets have few of those problems. Keeping the thing clean can be done with a disposable transparent cover over the entire device. Probably want to downclock it some for thermal reasons, though.
As for the robot itself, it is made to be used in a surgical/sterile environment. The DaVinci robot has plastic sleeves that cover most of the moving bits. And the robot is controlled by handles like in OPs post, not a mouse and keyboard.
TBH this could be done with pure embedded control no OS at all, only reason to have one would be for remote operations but these may not be designed for that.
I work in healthcare, and ages ago we had an interesting (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) presentation about such machines. It started with simple benefits, less people in the OR, easier sterile field. Then it zoomed out. A specialist in a different hospital could do the operation, and so on.
They then showed a tropical beach. "Or you could do your work from here" The crowd liked that.
"Or the people already living there could do it for a lot less money" Crowd didn't like that nearly as much :D
HairyChairstepper
Ok, but did they do surgery on a grape?
DrBobTheNetGynecologist
Chronic microphallus enjoyer here, i..
Shaows
Now pluck your eyelashes with it
VodkaReindeer
Weren't we supposed to do remote surgery via 5G lol.
Raenon
I had a robotic laparoscopic hernia repair (umbilical, belly button went from an innie to an outie... and worse) 5 years back with a 'DaVinci.'
They wheeled me in to the surgical suite to see a multi-armed giant robot praying mantis hanging over me.
"Well, that's not intimidating at all," I said.
"Ha, yeah, we like to call it Skynet!" and they knocked me out.
BubblesTheFish
HE DO DA PINCHY
anticrash
they did surgery on a grape!
markm0101
I suspect it was’t a table grape though because when it was cut into it let out a little whine.
florismrfart
KnealG
Awesome, until you discover it takes 200 to 500 surgeries to do the skill without a serious “miscalculation”….oops, next..oops, next..oops..
RigoryMorty
Took me like 5 loops to find the logo
madjo
That's indeed very well hidden.
Wapusk
Wow! You could do surgery on a grape!
TouchSt0ne
kayaker01
Recently retired veterinarian. Could have used this for days when I spayed a dozen cats.
ricpaul
https://imgur.com/u6ZsHYb.mp4
darkusblack
All at once? Wow.
BeaverOnFire
imakeeper
I bet they are a bitch to sanitize though, resulting in long delays between patients.
ricpaul
Here's one solution, very enlightning lecture about compliance (sturctures made out of a single or at least as little amount of parts possible). Lots of fun to hear a compliance professor bitch about a compliant bottlecap (since beginning of 2024 they are a single piece made to stay attached to the bottle, 99% of people have to suffer because 1% of people are assholes, what else is new). https://imgur.com/btEMXf1
kayaker01
I’d have two veterinary technicians prepping. I’d just change gloves and step up to the next patient (two tables).
Kyrorayne
Didn't you notice the bandolier of tips? If you're only using one or two types, you can load up spares to swap with between cats while the others are sanitized which I'm assuming is a high temp bath.
NotAPervert
Autoclave. More of a steam pressure cooker type thing
cjandstuff
Once for work I shot some video of a DaVinci robot in action. Those things are insane. It reminded me of something out of the Matrix, meanwhile a surgeon is sitting at a VR desk in the corner controlling the thing.
Also it doesn't have to be local. They can set it up so a surgeon on the other side of the world can perform the surgeries.
IceWeaselX
Yeah, when I worked at a hospital, people didn't understand why I was so furious every time computers got infected with shit and cut their Internet access. OR computers were knocked offline and even bricked due to some of the early malware. "So? Just reimage them." "If they go down during surgery, that's a patient's life on the line. Some are remote surgeries, others are surgeries done with video consultation. THEY CAN'T GO OFFLINE."
RenaissanceFaireMan
I've done tech support for hospitals before, sometimes there's some real urgency.
RenaissanceFaireMan
Don't know if I'd want a computer IN the OR unless absolutely needed. They have fans, collect airborne particles, aren't easy to clean, blah, blah, blah. The mouse/keyboard alone must have a bazillion germs on them.
BDBottom
Tablets have few of those problems. Keeping the thing clean can be done with a disposable transparent cover over the entire device. Probably want to downclock it some for thermal reasons, though.
cjandstuff
As for the robot itself, it is made to be used in a surgical/sterile environment. The DaVinci robot has plastic sleeves that cover most of the moving bits. And the robot is controlled by handles like in OPs post, not a mouse and keyboard.
Humputse
There are computers in every OR to access the patient files.
RenaissanceFaireMan
"unless absolutely needed"
manixaist
Imagine dying to a latency/lag spike in real life. The surgeon yells and flips the table.
baadf00d
Realtime OS, no lagspikes.
jinbee
TBH this could be done with pure embedded control no OS at all, only reason to have one would be for remote operations but these may not be designed for that.
anticrash
git gud doc
ijdod
I work in healthcare, and ages ago we had an interesting (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) presentation about such machines. It started with simple benefits, less people in the OR, easier sterile field. Then it zoomed out. A specialist in a different hospital could do the operation, and so on.
They then showed a tropical beach. "Or you could do your work from here" The crowd liked that.
"Or the people already living there could do it for a lot less money" Crowd didn't like that nearly as much :D
Leithoa
Decimals are important https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
3KnucklesDeep
Software updates mid surgery, or subscription runs out so the surgeon has to wait during unskippable ads.
ijdod
I worry about surgeons doing 360 no-scopes...
Hypothesist
Stoneagedudeman
Man. Surgeons are already kinda high strung. Imagine a rotor going out.
drunkbs
but he flips the table with his little tiny surgery hands.
Hypothesist
JapaneseGeneticists
The situation keeps getting worse, surgeon rage quits the procedure.