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Mike Rowe on Pencil's and College Degrees (Worth the read)
Off Mike Rowe's Facebook Wall
Kyle Smith writes...
Howard Dean recently criticized Gov Scott Walker for never finishing college, stating that he was "unknowledgeable." What would your response be on college as a requirement for elected office?
Hi Kyle
Back in 1990, The QVC Cable Shopping Channel was conducting a national talent search. I had no qualifications to speak of, but I needed a job, and thought TV might be a fun way to pay the bills. So I showed up at The Marriott in downtown Baltimore with a few hundred other hopefuls, and waited for a chance to audition. When it was my turn, the elevator took me to the top floor, where a man no expression led me into a suite and asked me to take a seat behind a large desk. Across from the desk, there was a camera on a tripod. On the desk was a digital timer with an LED display. I took a seat as the man clipped a microphone on my shirt and explained the situation.
“The purpose of this audition is to see if you can talk for eight minutes without stuttering, blathering, passing out, or throwing up. Any questions?”
“What would you like me to talk about,” I asked.
The man pulled a pencil from behind his ear and rolled it across the desk. “Talk to me about that pencil. Sell it. Make me want it. But be yourself. If you can do that for eight minutes, the job is yours. Ok?”
I looked at the pencil. It was yellow. It had a point on one end, and an eraser on the other. On the side were the words, Dixon Ticonderoga Number 2 SOFT.
“Ok,” I said.
The man set the timer to 8:00, and walked behind the tripod. He pressed a button and a red light appeared on the camera. He pressed another button and the timer began to count backwards. “Action,” he said. I picked up the pencil and started talking.
“Hi there. My name’s Mike Rowe, and I only have eight minutes to tell you why this is finest pencil on Planet Earth. So let’s get right to it.”
I opened the desk drawer and found a piece of hotel stationary, right where I hoped it would be. I picked up the pencil and wrote the word, QUALITY in capital letters. I held the paper toward the camera.
“As you can plainly see, The #2 Dixon Ticonderoga leaves a bold, unmistakable line, far superior to the thin and wispy wake left by the #3, or the fat, sloppy skid mark of the unwieldy #1. Best of all, the Ticonderoga is not filled with actual lead, but “madagascar graphite,” a far safer alternative for anyone who likes to chew on their writing implements.”
To underscore the claim, I licked the point. I then discussed the many advantages of the Ticonderoga’s color.
“A vibrant yellow, perfectly suited for an object that needs to stand out from the clutter of a desk drawer.”
I commented on the comfort of it’s design.
“Unlike those completely round pencils that press hard into the web of your hand, the Ticonderoga’s circumference is comprised of eight, gently planed surfaces, which dramatically reduce fatigue, and make writing for extended periods an absolute delight.”
I pointed out the “enhanced eraser,” which was “guaranteed to still be there - even when the pencil was sharpened down to an unusable nub.”
I opined about handmade craftsmanship and American made quality. I talked about the feel of real wood.
“In a world overrun with plastic and high tech gadgets, isn’t it comforting to know that some things haven’t evolved into something shiny and gleaming and completely unrecognizable?’”
After all that, there was still five minutes on the timer. So I shifted gears and considered the pencil’s impact on Western Civilization. I spoke of Picasso and Van Gogh, and their hundreds of priceless drawings - all done in pencil. I talked about Einstein and Hawking, and their many complicated theories and theorems - all done in pencil.
“Pen and ink are fine for memorializing contracts,” I said, “but real progress relies on the ability to erase and start anew. Archimedes said he could move the world with a lever long enough, but when it came to proving it, he needed a pencil to make the point.”
With three minutes remaining, I moved on to some personal recollections about the role of pencils in my own life. My first legible signature, my first book report, my first crossword puzzle, and of course, my first love letter. I may have even worked up a tear as I recalled the innocence of my youth, scribbled out on a piece of looseleaf with all the hope and passion a desperate 6th grader could muster...courtesy of a #2 pencil.
With :30 seconds left on the timer, I looked fondly at the Dixon Ticonderoga, and sat silently for five seconds. Then I wrapped it up.
“We call it a pencil, because all things need a name. But today, let’s call it what it really is. A time machine. A match maker. A magic wand. And let’s say it can all be yours...for just .99 cents.”
The timer read 0:00. The man walked back to the desk. He took the pencil and wrote “YOU’RE HIRED” on the stationary, and few days later, I moved to West Chester, PA. And a few days after that, I was on live television, face to face with the never-ending parade of trinkets and chochkes that comprise QVC’s overnight inventory.
I spent three months on the graveyard shift, five nights a week. Technically, this was my training period, which was curious, given the conspicuous absence of supervision, or anything that could be confused with actual instruction. Every few minutes a stagehand would bring me another mysterious “must have item,” which I’d blather about nonsensically until it was whisked away and replaced with something no less baffling. In this way, I slowly uncovered the mysteries of my job, and forged a tenuous relationship with an audience of chronic insomniacs and narcoleptic lonely-hearts. It was a crucible of confusion and ambiguity, and in hindsight, the best training I ever had.
Which brings me to the point of your question, Kyle.
I don’t agree with Howard Dean - not at all.
Here’s what I didn’t understand 25 years ago. QVC had a serious recruiting problem. Qualified candidates were applying in droves, but failing miserably on the air. Polished salespeople with proven track records were awkward on TV. Professional actors with extensive credits couldn’t be themselves on camera. And seasoned hosts who understood live television had no experience hawking products. So eventually, QVC hit the reset button. They stopped looking for “qualified” people, and started looking for anyone who could talk about a pencil for eight minutes.
QVC had confused qualifications with competency.
Perhaps America has done something similar?
Look at how we hire help - it’s no so different than how we elect leaders. We search for work ethic on resumes. We look for intelligence in test scores. We search for character in references. And of course, we look at a four-year diploma as though it might actually tell us something about common-sense and leadership.
Obviously, we need a bit more from our elected officials than the instincts of a home shopping host, but the business of determining what those “qualifications” are is completely up to us. We get to decide what matters most. We get to decide if a college degree or military service is somehow determinative. We get to decide if Howard Dean is correct.
Anyone familiar with my foundation knows my position. I think a trillion dollars of student loans and a massive skills gap are precisely what happens to a society that actively promotes one form of education as the best course for the most people. I think the stigmas and stereotypes that keep so many people from pursuing a truly useful skill, begin with the mistaken belief that a four-year degree is somehow superior to all other forms of learning. And I think that making elected office contingent on a college degree is maybe the worst idea I’ve ever heard.
But of course, Howard Dean is not the real problem. He’s just one guy. And he’s absolutely right when he says that many others will judge Scott Walker for not finishing college. That's the real problem.
However - when Howard Dean called the Governor “unknowledgeable,” he rolled out more than a stereotype. He rolled a pencil across the desk, and gave Scott Walker eight minutes to knock it out of the park.
It’ll be fun to see if he does.
- Mike
Credentials are nothing more than a peer group assessment of potential, it is not an indication of any actual accomplishment.
ShakeDogResurrected
I was obsessed with college for credibility but deep down I always knew it was mostly a scam that preys on the undisciplined.
daek45
As a med student, med schools have also confused qualifications with competency. MCAT/GPA does not equal Competency of handling patients
carrickbender5150
Amen!!
axeman4
Whether or not you like Walker isn't the purpose of the letter. Education doesn't equal leadership or quality.
Biggryno
I wish more people on here had some semblance of reading comprehension. This kind of makes me sad.
savoreverysecond
TICONDEROGA PENCILS ARE THE STRONGEST PENCILS IN THE WORLD! (I logged in to say this.)
skogkatt
Damn I want a pencil.
RedStarBeograd
Oh do you need to sign that paper?, take this one... for 3 bucks.
Shockwave44
Explain why for eight minutes.
coffekid
Yep, I cried and was pulling out my credit card to order the dam pencil.
Sutureupmyfuture
If I had a pencil and paper on me right now i would write out, in bold letters, "I love you, Mike Rowe."
unhealthyobsessionwithcats
I would marry that man if he didn't have a restraining order against me
comnakr
tl;dr if you can sell a pencil, you can dodge a wrench. or something like that
cockiemonster
perfect
HalifaxSamuels
I scrolled down for the tl;dr and this was the first one I saw, so I'm assuming it's 100% accurate.
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
Thanks! :D
mingotheflamingo
sometimes I want to throw both a pencil and a wrench at my boss... and I have a degree, is that what you mean?
Biophysics
yesh!
vincentsl
That made me sensibly chuckle.
Ch0irb0y
XDDD
Exopyxel
Just because you're qualified- doesn't mean you can perform
choicebutts2
*pencils.
PuppiesoverKittensAnyday
Didn't read because it was going to tell me college is unnecessary, but OP STILL DOESN'T KNOW YOU DON'T USE APOSTROPHES FOR PLURALIZING!
LMNOParis
I'm surprised it doesn't say degree's
sallyannthunderannwhirlwindcrockett
that really is the confusing part. I get not knowing a rule, but how do you apply a known rule inconsistently?
DurhamBallsack
OP needs to go to college.
Sankacoffie
DAMNIT! Here I am browsing imgur all the time and noticing stupid mistakes like that and I get one shot and I fuck it up noooooooooooo!!!!
thomaseeno
dammit* (excellent post, btw)
k00laids
If one is competent To perform a job then their education, or lack there of is irrelevant as expressed by OP.
icommentingifs
As someone who just lost a job because I was two classes shy of a degree (it was a new opportunity after years of success), this hits home.
thatwilldopig
Can you complete them online?
icommentingifs
I'm going to try to take them remotely this summer. My alma mater has a stupid rule about the last 15 credits being taken on campus. 1/?
icommentingifs
I'm hoping they'll give me a pass because it's been 5 years and I don't live/work anywhere near there. 2/2.
sQuimby
Walker was 30+ credits short his senior year and held a 2.6 GPA. Wasn't 'almost there'. My bro's 2 credtts short of a degree--can understand
hellomynameispissoff
I feel you, but how about finishing your degree? Education isn't just about getting a job, it's about becoming more intellectually mature.
hellomynameispissoff
Finishing is also an indication of being able to finish something you start.
icommentingifs
Happy to. I walked in graduation - I had no idea I hadn't finished until I realized I didn't receive my diploma and was already working.
sQuimby
I'm not against walker dropping out of college, but giviong a half-assed effort, and wasting his money and saying 'he got what he needed' /1
sQuimby
Was 30+ credits short his senior year, 2.6 GPA, and supposedly spent most time w/ political clubs. Clearly wasn't there for an education /2
sQuimby
You get out of an education what you put in; it's disingenous to say 4 year degrees are 'worthless'--some just don't get anything from them.
sQuimby
Walker clearly wasn't there for an education (FFS, Tommy Boy graduated from Marquette), and was there just for posterity & connections
mysundaydriver
Ernest?
yodasauce
God I had to scroll so far down hoping someone would mention this
Morph175
Same here! I miss him :(
CitizenDickbag
Scott Walker is still an extraordinary douchenozzle, regardless if his education level.
putaforkinit
agreed, I vote GBP
madmardagan
I really like Mike Rowe's take on these things.
adobesubmarine
The idea that politicians are little more than salesmen is the cause of many problems. Mike's experience is, unfortunately, irrelevant here.
PanzerCheck
1: I think this would be great if the average person had the same skills he has, but they don't. College shouldn't be for those who want to
PanzerCheck
2: learn, but those who are already learned to become refined. But to push college onto everyone who does not have the capacity does in fact
PanzerCheck
3: cause a problem. There are many smart, non-college educated people out there, but also a lot of dumb college graduates who were told
PanzerCheck
4: they should go to college when they shouldn't be there. That's the problem. How many people graduate with 'business' degrees but don't
PanzerCheck
4: know the first thing about running a business? That's the issue.
rusho2nd
my business program has a hands on component, i'm currently running a business with my classmates.
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
Then, the problem is the skills gap. Why have a business program if it's not teaching important skills.
ConfusedMan
As someone going for a finance degree being able to run a comp. isn't my priority. I the problem is people who cant do their major, right?
InnocentlyStandingBy
That same outcome could come from which university you attend. With how many are available it's understandable that some don't have (1/2)
axeman4
It's amazing that people can graduate school and have no actual life skills. What is the purpose of school if it won't prepare you for life.
Hiyougami
School prepares us to work in factories.
PanzerCheck
1: That's why I said college shouldn't be a place to learn but to become polished. That's what college was originally for. The men in the
DoctorWatchamacallit
because college isn't supposed to be life preparation. it is supposed to be an institution of advanced thought and innovation.
quantummechanic
I nearly have a PhD and completely agree that academic achievement does not correlate with leadership skills, but Scott Walker is a fuckwit
knifehandUSMCsemperfiOORAHyutKILLmotoboner
I'm not sure what a pretty huge dick has to do with academic achievement, or leadership for that matter, but welcome to the club :-)
quantummechanic
Now I'm trying to suss out the logistics of *nearly* having a pretty huge dick
Nondino
Just curious, do you live in Wisconsin? I didn't realize that so many people were aware of him until recently.
quantummechanic
No, I'm Australian, but I'm a massive politics nerd. Also my best friend's fianceé is a Wisconsinite.
HallandOaters
Man, this MD I'm getting is nothing more than a peer group assessment of potential, it is not an indication of any actual accomplishment.
HallandOaters
I guess the bachelors degree, my masters degree and now medical doctorate are just a massive gap in skill set and a trillion dollars in debt
corig123
Yeah, the 3 degrees finally leading to my dream job were clearly a waste, I coulda just...?? No. There's no other way but to do the work.
EasyUpVote
MD doesn't guarantee someone will actually be a good doctor.
HallandOaters
Definitely not. It's a tough market in a under saturated field. For sure man
TheHypestShit
Mike Rowe is a great guy and he's very smart, but a president who never graduated college would be terrible for our international image.
Sassmachine
So be competent and get a degree?
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
Or, just be competent at whatever career path you can make for yourself.
cockiemonster
COMPETENSE FTW!!
Sassmachine
I'd like to increase my probability of enjoying a career that I can support myself with, so I'll shoot for both.
barrackobarner
Some of the most intelligent people I've ever met never finished high school, some of the dumbest have PhDs. Wisdom isn't a product of 1/2
barrackobarner
2/2 education, but of real world experience and the ability to apply it.
EasyUpVote
You, all day you. And Mike Rowe.
baconsmellsreallygood
My uncle barely managed to graduate HS. He started working the railroads as gen. laborer & is now a project manager (1/2)
baconsmellsreallygood
which normally requires a Bachelors in Civil Engineering. It revolves around interests and work ethics (2/2)
howjom
He should consider writing software and call his company Mike Rowe Soft
EnigmaV8
I think he would Excel.
PlutoForPresident2016
There was a teenager named Mike Rowe who actually did create a website using that name. Microsoft sued him for that.
darxide
Yep. He was forced to sell the domain name mikerowesoft.com to Microsoft for $1.
verybadmormon
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_vs._MikeRoweSoft
Zixtank
Well I'll be damned...
snarkweek3000
I saw this comment, didn't get it, browsed some more pictures... then it hit me. I came back just to upvote this.
howjom
Fun fact, this joke is based on a true story
snarkweek3000
I just googled it and oh. my. gosh.
whyamidoingthisagain
Nice ! Really !
DieterVonCunth
On an eerily similar note, I used to always say to my sister "Dirty Steve Jobs". I don't even remember the context
sowetoninja
Unfortunately you can't smooth-talk your way through programming. Mike needs to understand that hard skills are important as well.
nickdillinger
But then we'll get the sewage screen of death
WizardsStick
Oh dear god. heres your fucking upvote
DwithanE
saw this right as I clicked "next >>" came back just to give you an upvote haha
Frontbuttox
you mother fucker! +1
futureman3000
Word
Cturtley3
What word?
backtobackpanicattack
Well met.
IOnceOwnedMoonMoonButOnceHeTriedToLickMyBallsAndRanAwayIMissHim
I would like to shake hands with you.
oscarblaseklein
Powerpoint
BeardedBatman
*on powerpoint
thecommenterimgurdeserves
He's sure to Excell
ReunitedAndItFeelsModeratelyTolerable
You, sir, have Access to my upvote.
MaybeGrapes
That's a POWERful POINT. Dammit i got the shitty one...
thecommenterimgurdeserves
Maybe next time your Outlook wont be so bleak.
neomaddog
Perhaps I should write this One Note down
MaybeGrapes
His palms are sweaty. Newsweek, arms are heavy. There's Vonage on his sweater already. Mom's spaghetti. He's nervous.
BarryGeibel
I love this comment, you make your posts so ACCESSible
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Dean's quote goes on to say that he's mostly worried about a president who doesn't believe in evolution/science.
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CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Uhhhh people who want to know the president understands and trusts scientists? Instead of blatantly disregarding evidence for ideology?
eddiebosox
I'm mostly worried that he prob DOES believe in evolution, but wont say because hes cowtwong to the dumb flat earth Republican voters
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Fair. Which is equally terrifying for me.
gSe7eN
And I don't think Obama ever studied or taught the Constitution but that doesn't stop me from driving a car. Complete non-sequitur.
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CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
No. It's also to lead the party they come from, and a science-denying wacko would be a terrifying choice on many levels.
Crawfishman
I think walker had a decent answer last time some one asked that. "My faith and science are not incompatible"but I could be wrong
pricklypearanoid
This is correct.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
Yeah. That was after Dean's quote, though.
telkanuru
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/11/scott-walker-special-relationship-trade-cheese-republican-chris-christie
LizardEnterprises
Scott walker *IS* unknowledgeable, not because he doesn't have a degree, but because he values ideology above data.
ElGrandeBanana
I think in politics it is sometimes better to have more focus on ideology then on data, since data has no regard for the Human measure.
ElGrandeBanana
than*(?)
eggmuffin
That's not the point. He may be a terrible candidate for office. The point is that his lack of a degree is not the reason for that.
LizardEnterprises
That is, in fact, exactly the point I was trying to make.
eggmuffin
Oh, my mistake.
Hawking74
TIL: Rachel Maddow uses the screen name LizardEnterprises.
IsaidWe
put up the state stats... that's the data that drives policy... you could have faulty logic and still have a successful platform... *ahem TX
mateysaidwot
Who knows what he values? He's a politician. What he SELLS is ideology instead of data, and it sells very well indeed.
LizardEnterprises
Well, his policies aren't based in reality, and that's really all I care about.
Cameronkip
I agree with you LizardEnterprises there's a strange fascination with ideology that has stunted progression you must have scientifically 1/2
LizardEnterprises
(1/2) It's not even a question of what politicians are willing to admit, its a question of what voters are willing to hear.
LizardEnterprises
(2/2) Governing is complicated, and most voters want to be done with politics as fast as possible, so they can go watch Idol or whatever...
Cameronkip
Backed data in order to prove that said ideology is effective. Otherwise you have a waste of time. No politician wants to admit that. 2/2
Tyrannotron
Then he likely will fail to sell the pencil. The point isn't that he's a good choice, it's merely that lack of a college degree isn't why.
cptkipard
He might not sell it but not because of this. Since when is empiricism important to voters?
LizardEnterprises
Depends on what 'selling the pencil' is in this metaphor. Is it governing effectively? Yeah, he will fail. Is it getting re-elected?
ThaiMaiShu
What did he do that was so bad?
AdvantageMe
He pushed through the Gogebic mine - they gave him $750,000 in 2011 and 2012 for his recall election that he claimed not to know about.
DingusKhan
I don't think even 3 boxes of 140 character text would cover it. He is basically turning us into the Mississippi of the north.
ohyoumeannow
Mississippi of the north... So accurate. I'm stealing this phrase.
darkoshen
Just lately he lined out the mission statement of the UW system in his budget, then said it was the Regents' idea to lose it. He's a liar.
gbreezy
No. It was a drafting error
comrademittens
WI is dead last in women's rights in the US, allowed companies to collect tax credits after exporting overseas while ...
comrademittens
... nursing one of the highest unemployment rates. More: https://www.facebook.com/Shitscottwalker
orbicularisoculi
Walker has also gutted employees' collective bargaining rights statewide. Maybe he's great if you're not a member of the working class.
comrademittens
Which is pretty much all Wisconsin is.
LizardEnterprises
Oh, and he's set up reading tests for kindergartners. Because we don't already have too much testing in schools, or start it too young...
LizardEnterprises
He's enacted a voter ID law, which wont do a damned thing to stop voter fraud, just make it harder for people to vote legitimately.
LizardEnterprises
In addition to everything already mentioned he rejected funds to set up a state healthcare exchange (which just puts you on the federal one)
AdvantageMe
He lied about how many jobs he would create.
brizio
I do admire Mike Rowe and think he's right about a lot of things. But I can tell you right now that [1/2]
RedStarBeograd
he can shove the poo deeper on my butt [2/2]
MrNailbrain
his fist is surprisingly supple and his skin is buttery smooth. [2/2]
backtobackpanicattack
fisting is so hot right now. [2/2/]
samb0ne
I feel like Obama was asked to talk about a pencil or 8 min. then hired.
Tehbeefertehbeefer
something something teleprompter
ThisFrickenGuy
Not likely as Obama can't really talk about anything longer than 5 seconds without checking the teleprompter.
saltyslug
his fisting is crude, but consistent. [2/2]
brizio
...I knew exactly what I was doing leaving that sentence hanging. [2/2]
IsaidWe
fair. but name me one federal politician "today" that isn't in it for the career? I know none on the national/state level.
carrickbender5150
Elizabeth Warren.
IsaidWe
common man, huh? i'll give it to you, she is more of an activist than a politician... 2 points to gryffindor.
carrickbender5150
I worked in "the machine" for 6 years before my current job. I can spot a slug from a mile away. She certainly is one of us....
brizio
Scott Walker has only ever wanted to be a politician and that's what scares me most. [2/2]
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
Also, there's no fucking way that pencil story happened just the way he told it.
TheFeralDog
It's been 25 years pretty sure that is obvious to anyone with any IQ whatsoever
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
Look at the front page some time. Imgur is a very very gullible community.
TheFeralDog
Well some on here have no IQ, so yeah. (Sometimes that person is me
iPretend
Yeah, but this letter was hardly even about Scott Walker. He was more of a plot device.
MacRockatansky
I don't know anything about Scott Walker, but I despise the concept of a career politician.
Hawking74
Found the democrat...
carbonthief
found the republican...
MethylUracil
Have heard of a man named Barack Obama?
busted88
You say "scares me the most" like he is the exception and not the rule.
brizio
No, I say "scares me the most" because there are a lot of other things that scare me about that guy.
plainoldfool
Do you have any idea how many politicians on all sides of congress are just like that? Most politicians scare the fuck out of me.
MetalHealth30
I don't care if someone is a career politician, so long as they don't treat politics like a career. It comes down to character.
notme222
Douglas Adams had it right: anyone who would want to be a politician should never be allowed to do it.
JoeChill
#mikerowe2016
Thornaxe
Heh, i'd sure vote for him.
FrigginCornflakes
While I agree with that, Plato said “Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.”
notme222
If we're thinking of the same bit, I think the context was "The best rulers are reluctant but don't want to be governed by the inferior."
notme222
I might be thinking of Socrates or a different bit, but I do like how that context seems to marry the two ideas.
gooseduckbutt
Isn't that true for most politicians? Most don't make the career change from gardener or mechanic one day. It's their main ambition.
KeeperofTheNyx
All politicians should scare you. They run your country.
AvielMenter
Reasons don't matter. Policies do. The problem is that he has bad policies.
brizio
As someone living in Wisconsin: agreed.
darkoshen
Bad policies? If only. Walker is a liar even when he doesn't have to lie. He's a habitual liar who thinks rules are for the other guys.
roonmian
Yeah, I thought the same. Mike Rowe beautifully explained the difference between competence and qualification. But I still don't know 1/3
roonmian
what Scott Walker is actually competent in. I'm not fron Wisconsin, not even from the USA, but I've heard the name before 2/3
brillantmc
Scott Walker is competent in being a crook. And doing anything to "piss of liberals" SOLELY to piss off liberals. Like thats his goal.
roonmian
and from what I've heard I wouldn't trust Scott Walker to be a competent night watchman at a sperm bank. 3/3
OneCraftyHooker
I can't believe the people of WI elected him again. I thought we were smarter than that. Ugh.
SaladNoLettuce
Same as Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton.
busted88
And yet this gets downvotes. This fucking place
cambopalmer
"We are tolerant of everyone! Unless, of course, you disagree with our opinions." -imgur
Zodi
but why did you skip over the Bush family? Jeb, George Jr., George Sr...
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brbgoingtonarnia
I got into 2 Wisc schools for PhD. I'm touring both, but I'm just not sure if I can go to those schools. Walker just has me too worried.
brizio
I'm in academia in Wisconsin (did my PhD elsewhere). If I weren't in a private university, I'd be scared right now.
darkoshen
He would turn the UW system into community college, given the chance. His budget is a joke, and shows how little he values education.
hipsterhank
In a strange way, I suppose it's comforting knowing Louisiana isn't the only one in this boat right now. Fuck Bobby Jindal.
ohyoumeannow
I wish more people understood this about him. How is everyone else in the state just watching it happen??
Sankacoffie
I agree, I never liked career politicians. Always in it for the wrong reasons.
JasperSirGalahad
So you're saying you don't like any politicians?
FeckItImAubreyPlazaNow
Once upon a time, Congressmen had day jobs.
Pharya
Once upon a time not so long ago there were drastically less than 7 billion of us on the planet too.
FakeGamerGirl
Meh. If someone spends forty hours a week selling bath fixtures, they're going to be too preoccupied to learn the nuances of Net Neutrality.
ihaveacoffeemug
Great point, but maybe if they had been too preoccupied selling bath fixtures we wouldn't have monopolized utilities in the first place.
Threns
That's actually quite a fair point. Though from what I understand, most are preoccupied with fundraising for their next election atm.
strangeideas
There's a big difference between charisma and knowing how to run a fucking government.
duriangrenade
PREEEEEAAAACCCHHH
nastynate88
Yes, but his record as governor should be used to judge, not his lack of degree. That was Mike's point, I think.
Biggryno
Finally someone who gets what he was saying
IUsedToBeTheWalrus
And somehow a degree is what is needed to do that? And Scott has experience doing that. Unless you read the NYT that blamed him for 1/2
IUsedToBeTheWalrus
teachers being fired before he took office, because time machines or something. 2/2
thuperduperthpeshul
Yes. Kudos on being able to talk about pencils for 8 minutes but I'd like to know your plan for lowering the unemployment rate.
strangeideas
Right, being able to talk about pencils for 8 minutes really comes in handy for the economics and politics classes.
GreyPilgrim90
Ah well you see in college I learned y=mx+b
GeneralWho
Getting a degree doesn't magically give you the knowledge to run a government. Or any sort of knowledge, unless you want to learn.
strangeideas
No, just the work and research and time typically put into getting that degree gives you a bit more knowledge than a high school grad.
GeneralWho
And if you want to learn, then you can absolutely learn without going to college. It's about attitude, which is the point Mike was making.
GeneralWho
I meet with so many business owners who lament their lack of employees with 1) integrity and 2) willingness to learn. Never degrees.
ThereAreOtherWorldsThanThese
Holy mother of TL;DR, Batman!
ByGrabtharsHammerByTheSunsOfWorvanYouShallBeAvenged
GOLDENDICK69
anyone with a college education will scoff at this comment
aksnowman
If you spent several years of your life & a small fortune on something, you aren't typically too fond of agreeing to devalue it, true or not
oneofthecalled
Holy TL;RA, Robin
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
ThereAreOtherWorldsThanThese
That....that was glorious!
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
Sure is, just with I new the source :/
Sankacoffie
worth the read I promise
AdvantageMe
Scott Walker is a POS.
madmardagan
Very much so, thanks OP.
lordfwahfnah
Aint nobody got time for dat
ThatMomentWhenImgurJokesAreOnlyFunnyToImgurians
I"ll favorite and read it later'
FirstArchetype
Really is. Great inspiration since i got dropped from two job opportunities where they wanted to hire me but my gpa was a couple points low.
RedStarBeograd
It totally did, thanks for posting it.
agirut
You never consider Mike Rowe's eloquence when he's shoveling feces out of dead carcasses in sewer pipe mines.
Toasterpops
He was an opera singer too
NumberNext
Domina25
And all the Wisconsinites are just sitting here thinking that maybe if Walker had finished college he'd be as eloquent as a feces shoveler.
USD1
I'd vote for Mike Rowe.
copingcabana
...which is actually the job description for elected office. (and I don't mean eloquence)
ABlastFromYourPast
Hey, congrats on making top comment!
donkeyrich
I did.
JoeChill
#mikerowe2016
HotPeaSoup
I think he might be a happy man.
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTheBabyAteMyDingo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUJWpIj_4ps
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTheBabyAteMyDingo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWEI-5t2m54
serban1703
I think in a sense we do because if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have kept watching. He effectively sold the show to us.
KillerCaitie
I knew of him for his stage acting/narrating before Dirty Jobs came out. So it was always the best of both worlds to watch the show!
dorkyYorky
He was also a philosophy major. I think that honed his innate eloquence. And/or education and/or experience helped instill it.
Cobaltios
I like what he once said, "I'm not paid to succeed, I'm paid to try."
MumbleFumbleScreeamAndTumble
. Motivational poster idea.
FloodingWaters
goddammit that's going on the wall
OSCgal
That's beautiful.
muffinlynx
I do like listening to him narrate shows like deadliest catch though. He has quite the voice.
Katheebs
He really does. He even makes the more intolerable people of the show somewhat bearable... looking at you, Elliot Neese
SirGrumps
Didn't he also narrate Mythbusters for a time?
chrisinvisible
Au contraire; it is precisely his eloquence that makes shoveling shit seem interesting.
FiatLuxIam
COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. THANK YOU.
plainoldfool
Dudes who can do this make me stop and listen. Charlie Murphy once spent a few seconds talking about welfare peanut butter (1)
plainoldfool
and how he learned in the military that you can add cooking oil to this shitty stuff to make it exactly like something like Skippy. (2)
plainoldfool
It's not a particularly interesting anecdote, but dang it he made it fucking compelling.
DickMercenary
It's also that he truly cares and appreciates these people who not only do but enjoy jobs that make most people gag.
srsbizness
Maybe I'm missing the point, but besides eloquence, he still knew before that the pencil had graphite and was used by artists and scientists
OSCgal
That's part of the point. Self-taught is still taught. He didn't need credentials to know how to learn & to use his knowledge.
srsbizness
All right, I kinda get it now. Credentials don't mean everything.
burritohurricane
Maybe I'm missing your point, but those things are obvious. The hard part is thinking to say it, and doing it on the spot.
RepublicofTexa
Before Dirty Jobs, he sang Opera
BirthdayMassacre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rChjMRfi40c
MyNameisNotOwl
I'm not sure I believe you, but I can't prove you wrong either..
RepublicofTexa
He talked about it when he was on this ESPN radio show, I'll see if I can find proof though
BirthdayMassacre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rChjMRfi40c
RepublicofTexa
http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/09/25/watch-mike-rowe-reveals-his-secret-origin-sings-opera-in-interview-with-glenn/
TopgunIsTheBestMovieEver
check the last paragraph in this section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rowe#Early_life
jweenypwee
While making 7 to 8 figures when some frat-brojob in a tie is making $28k staring at a computer monitor.
mediaman73
True story. Rowe likes to pitch his whole "working man" ethos, but this "anti-college" message ignores the inherent value of knowledge 1/
Drenlin
His message is not "anti college". He is against the idea that going to college is the only way to "succeed" in life.
PastaJesus
He is also very vocal in promoting trade schools as a viable alternative to 4 year colleges
mediaman73
or that people with degrees, while not guaranteed jobs, are almost certain to make more than the same ppl in the same job without them. 2/
mediaman73
As someone without a degree (who can't even work for one at this stage) there are many jobs where I'm immediately discounted, not by the 3/
mediaman73
hiring manager or someone I could even see to "show my moxie" but by software that finds a box not checked and immediately filters me out./4
SamMan
If you put only a monetary value on knowledge,or if you consider only one sort of knowledge valuable then you are part of the problem.
kibu
I dropped out of college, and make close to 50k a year (DoD work). People I know with degrees are lucky to make 25k working at McDonalds...
mediaman73
It's about the long haul. While I make way more than 50k, others, younger than me (without a family & mortgage) are making way more than me.
mediaman73
I also dropped out of college and used to make as much or more than my fellows. But I reached a ceiling before they did years down the road.
TheDetunedWatermelon
This is an extremely well put and valid point, but Scott Walker is basically the devil. Source: I'm a Wisconsinite
sardonicdounut
Word to Gov. Walker's mother!
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
As someone who lived in WI until recently, this is what I always think of when I see him.
But hey, even (A)
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
Gump had a degree. (B)
TheTrueBigDickBandit
Well you're an idiot
cptkipard
This is a well made mediocre point. This guy is being so simplistic and using capitalism as an example.
rsxdalv
Definitely leaning on a strawman. While the technically capitalist example isn't the worst, it is clear that market != government. Etc etc.
cptkipard
Off topic. I just remembered a TYT video where some Fox reporter tried to convince viewers that regulations aren't needed in a free market.
iliketurtlez
NO! Just because your opinions differ, that does not make him evil. That ignorant statement of polarization is what's wrong with 1/2
iliketurtlez
2/2 our politics. People need to stop hating each other and just fucking work together.
darkoshen
Then you know nothing about ALEC or Walker or the GOP for that matter. They marginalize all opposition through lies and deceit.
ichhablafrenchiefrench
Because the Democrats have NEVER stooped to that level . . . . [Sarcasm]
VulcanP90
Not really.
iliketurtlez
Actually i do know. Both sides are guilty of this. The Tea Party has fox news spreading their hateful crap for them.
SaladNoLettuce
That should probably read Democrat. Wisconsonites have elected that guy three times.
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sQuimby
For re-electing him?
MRBEEFCAKE
Yes.
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but I will never forget this from postsecret during his recall:
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
Also what happened with his legal defense fund? I had to stop following politics not long after that started for medical reasons.
AdvantageMe
The Gogebic mine gave him $750,000 for 2011 and 2012 for his recall. He claimed not to know about it!
VulcanP90
Only because of the (R) next to his name. Not because he's any fucking good.
SabobaDa
I have personally met Governor Walker and talked to him about a lot of things. I can guarantee you he's not Satan.
BrokenZen
Hades then?
carrickbender5150
I've met Sarah Palin, and she's not the devil either. She's not dumb, she's just crazy.
dassemultor
Whatever you say, Asmodeus.
SabobaDa
Maybe he's just constantly rolling 1's...
ngthagg
I know! He balances budgets and stuff, that's got to be wrong.
sardonicdounut
And then unbalances it...
VulcanP90
Except he didn't even do that.
Grapefruitspoon
Yeah! Let's spend money we don't have at such a rate that our grandchildren will never be able to pay off the debt!
Biggryno
Said all of the American people!
MRBEEFCAKE
I'm going to cut $300 million from UW, meanwhile, here's $200 million to the Milwaukee Bucks for a new stadium. "Free market!"
Crawfishman
In all fairness the bucks will be able to pay it back. plus their economic impact on the community and state is huge. But why not both
VulcanP90
The owners of the Bucks are billionaires. With a "b". The taxpayers should not be giving them any money at all.
darkoshen
The so-called "stadium tax" was a gift to the Brewers. Jobs? Seasonal ones. Construction? It's built. The people who benefit? Millionaires.
Crawfishman
how many people come to brewers games filling hotel rooms eating at restaurants etc. Not saying its right, but that I doubt we know it all