Mike Rowe on Pencil's and College Degrees (Worth the read)

Feb 19, 2015 3:40 AM

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Mike Rowe on Pencil's and College Degrees (Worth the read)

Off Mike Rowe's Facebook Wall

Kyle Smith writes...

Howard Dean recently criticized Gov Scott Walker for never finishing college, stating that he was "unknowledgeable." What would your response be on college as a requirement for elected office?

Hi Kyle

Back in 1990, The QVC Cable Shopping Channel was conducting a national talent search. I had no qualifications to speak of, but I needed a job, and thought TV might be a fun way to pay the bills. So I showed up at The Marriott in downtown Baltimore with a few hundred other hopefuls, and waited for a chance to audition. When it was my turn, the elevator took me to the top floor, where a man no expression led me into a suite and asked me to take a seat behind a large desk. Across from the desk, there was a camera on a tripod. On the desk was a digital timer with an LED display. I took a seat as the man clipped a microphone on my shirt and explained the situation.

“The purpose of this audition is to see if you can talk for eight minutes without stuttering, blathering, passing out, or throwing up. Any questions?”

“What would you like me to talk about,” I asked.

The man pulled a pencil from behind his ear and rolled it across the desk. “Talk to me about that pencil. Sell it. Make me want it. But be yourself. If you can do that for eight minutes, the job is yours. Ok?”

I looked at the pencil. It was yellow. It had a point on one end, and an eraser on the other. On the side were the words, Dixon Ticonderoga Number 2 SOFT.

“Ok,” I said.

The man set the timer to 8:00, and walked behind the tripod. He pressed a button and a red light appeared on the camera. He pressed another button and the timer began to count backwards. “Action,” he said. I picked up the pencil and started talking.

“Hi there. My name’s Mike Rowe, and I only have eight minutes to tell you why this is finest pencil on Planet Earth. So let’s get right to it.”

I opened the desk drawer and found a piece of hotel stationary, right where I hoped it would be. I picked up the pencil and wrote the word, QUALITY in capital letters. I held the paper toward the camera.

“As you can plainly see, The #2 Dixon Ticonderoga leaves a bold, unmistakable line, far superior to the thin and wispy wake left by the #3, or the fat, sloppy skid mark of the unwieldy #1. Best of all, the Ticonderoga is not filled with actual lead, but “madagascar graphite,” a far safer alternative for anyone who likes to chew on their writing implements.”
To underscore the claim, I licked the point. I then discussed the many advantages of the Ticonderoga’s color.
“A vibrant yellow, perfectly suited for an object that needs to stand out from the clutter of a desk drawer.”
I commented on the comfort of it’s design.

“Unlike those completely round pencils that press hard into the web of your hand, the Ticonderoga’s circumference is comprised of eight, gently planed surfaces, which dramatically reduce fatigue, and make writing for extended periods an absolute delight.”

I pointed out the “enhanced eraser,” which was “guaranteed to still be there - even when the pencil was sharpened down to an unusable nub.”

I opined about handmade craftsmanship and American made quality. I talked about the feel of real wood.
“In a world overrun with plastic and high tech gadgets, isn’t it comforting to know that some things haven’t evolved into something shiny and gleaming and completely unrecognizable?’”

After all that, there was still five minutes on the timer. So I shifted gears and considered the pencil’s impact on Western Civilization. I spoke of Picasso and Van Gogh, and their hundreds of priceless drawings - all done in pencil. I talked about Einstein and Hawking, and their many complicated theories and theorems - all done in pencil.
“Pen and ink are fine for memorializing contracts,” I said, “but real progress relies on the ability to erase and start anew. Archimedes said he could move the world with a lever long enough, but when it came to proving it, he needed a pencil to make the point.”

With three minutes remaining, I moved on to some personal recollections about the role of pencils in my own life. My first legible signature, my first book report, my first crossword puzzle, and of course, my first love letter. I may have even worked up a tear as I recalled the innocence of my youth, scribbled out on a piece of looseleaf with all the hope and passion a desperate 6th grader could muster...courtesy of a #2 pencil.
With :30 seconds left on the timer, I looked fondly at the Dixon Ticonderoga, and sat silently for five seconds. Then I wrapped it up.

“We call it a pencil, because all things need a name. But today, let’s call it what it really is. A time machine. A match maker. A magic wand. And let’s say it can all be yours...for just .99 cents.”

The timer read 0:00. The man walked back to the desk. He took the pencil and wrote “YOU’RE HIRED” on the stationary, and few days later, I moved to West Chester, PA. And a few days after that, I was on live television, face to face with the never-ending parade of trinkets and chochkes that comprise QVC’s overnight inventory.

I spent three months on the graveyard shift, five nights a week. Technically, this was my training period, which was curious, given the conspicuous absence of supervision, or anything that could be confused with actual instruction. Every few minutes a stagehand would bring me another mysterious “must have item,” which I’d blather about nonsensically until it was whisked away and replaced with something no less baffling. In this way, I slowly uncovered the mysteries of my job, and forged a tenuous relationship with an audience of chronic insomniacs and narcoleptic lonely-hearts. It was a crucible of confusion and ambiguity, and in hindsight, the best training I ever had.
Which brings me to the point of your question, Kyle.

I don’t agree with Howard Dean - not at all.

Here’s what I didn’t understand 25 years ago. QVC had a serious recruiting problem. Qualified candidates were applying in droves, but failing miserably on the air. Polished salespeople with proven track records were awkward on TV. Professional actors with extensive credits couldn’t be themselves on camera. And seasoned hosts who understood live television had no experience hawking products. So eventually, QVC hit the reset button. They stopped looking for “qualified” people, and started looking for anyone who could talk about a pencil for eight minutes.
QVC had confused qualifications with competency.

Perhaps America has done something similar?

Look at how we hire help - it’s no so different than how we elect leaders. We search for work ethic on resumes. We look for intelligence in test scores. We search for character in references. And of course, we look at a four-year diploma as though it might actually tell us something about common-sense and leadership.
Obviously, we need a bit more from our elected officials than the instincts of a home shopping host, but the business of determining what those “qualifications” are is completely up to us. We get to decide what matters most. We get to decide if a college degree or military service is somehow determinative. We get to decide if Howard Dean is correct.
Anyone familiar with my foundation knows my position. I think a trillion dollars of student loans and a massive skills gap are precisely what happens to a society that actively promotes one form of education as the best course for the most people. I think the stigmas and stereotypes that keep so many people from pursuing a truly useful skill, begin with the mistaken belief that a four-year degree is somehow superior to all other forms of learning. And I think that making elected office contingent on a college degree is maybe the worst idea I’ve ever heard.

But of course, Howard Dean is not the real problem. He’s just one guy. And he’s absolutely right when he says that many others will judge Scott Walker for not finishing college. That's the real problem.
However - when Howard Dean called the Governor “unknowledgeable,” he rolled out more than a stereotype. He rolled a pencil across the desk, and gave Scott Walker eight minutes to knock it out of the park.
It’ll be fun to see if he does.

- Mike

Credentials are nothing more than a peer group assessment of potential, it is not an indication of any actual accomplishment.

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I was obsessed with college for credibility but deep down I always knew it was mostly a scam that preys on the undisciplined.

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

As a med student, med schools have also confused qualifications with competency. MCAT/GPA does not equal Competency of handling patients

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Amen!!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Whether or not you like Walker isn't the purpose of the letter. Education doesn't equal leadership or quality.

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

I wish more people on here had some semblance of reading comprehension. This kind of makes me sad.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

TICONDEROGA PENCILS ARE THE STRONGEST PENCILS IN THE WORLD! (I logged in to say this.)

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

Damn I want a pencil.

11 years ago | Likes 82 Dislikes 4

Oh do you need to sign that paper?, take this one... for 3 bucks.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Explain why for eight minutes.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Yep, I cried and was pulling out my credit card to order the dam pencil.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

If I had a pencil and paper on me right now i would write out, in bold letters, "I love you, Mike Rowe."

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

I would marry that man if he didn't have a restraining order against me

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

tl;dr if you can sell a pencil, you can dodge a wrench. or something like that

11 years ago | Likes 930 Dislikes 19

perfect

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I scrolled down for the tl;dr and this was the first one I saw, so I'm assuming it's 100% accurate.

11 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 0

Thanks! :D

11 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 2

sometimes I want to throw both a pencil and a wrench at my boss... and I have a degree, is that what you mean?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

yesh!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That made me sensibly chuckle.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

XDDD

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Just because you're qualified- doesn't mean you can perform

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

*pencils.

11 years ago | Likes 138 Dislikes 3

Didn't read because it was going to tell me college is unnecessary, but OP STILL DOESN'T KNOW YOU DON'T USE APOSTROPHES FOR PLURALIZING!

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I'm surprised it doesn't say degree's

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

that really is the confusing part. I get not knowing a rule, but how do you apply a known rule inconsistently?

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

OP needs to go to college.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

DAMNIT! Here I am browsing imgur all the time and noticing stupid mistakes like that and I get one shot and I fuck it up noooooooooooo!!!!

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

dammit* (excellent post, btw)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If one is competent To perform a job then their education, or lack there of is irrelevant as expressed by OP.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

As someone who just lost a job because I was two classes shy of a degree (it was a new opportunity after years of success), this hits home.

11 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 1

Can you complete them online?

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I'm going to try to take them remotely this summer. My alma mater has a stupid rule about the last 15 credits being taken on campus. 1/?

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm hoping they'll give me a pass because it's been 5 years and I don't live/work anywhere near there. 2/2.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Walker was 30+ credits short his senior year and held a 2.6 GPA. Wasn't 'almost there'. My bro's 2 credtts short of a degree--can understand

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

I feel you, but how about finishing your degree? Education isn't just about getting a job, it's about becoming more intellectually mature.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Finishing is also an indication of being able to finish something you start.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Happy to. I walked in graduation - I had no idea I hadn't finished until I realized I didn't receive my diploma and was already working.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm not against walker dropping out of college, but giviong a half-assed effort, and wasting his money and saying 'he got what he needed' /1

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 6

Was 30+ credits short his senior year, 2.6 GPA, and supposedly spent most time w/ political clubs. Clearly wasn't there for an education /2

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 5

You get out of an education what you put in; it's disingenous to say 4 year degrees are 'worthless'--some just don't get anything from them.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

Walker clearly wasn't there for an education (FFS, Tommy Boy graduated from Marquette), and was there just for posterity & connections

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 4

Ernest?

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

God I had to scroll so far down hoping someone would mention this

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Same here! I miss him :(

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Scott Walker is still an extraordinary douchenozzle, regardless if his education level.

11 years ago | Likes 47 Dislikes 23

agreed, I vote GBP

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

I really like Mike Rowe's take on these things.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

The idea that politicians are little more than salesmen is the cause of many problems. Mike's experience is, unfortunately, irrelevant here.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

1: I think this would be great if the average person had the same skills he has, but they don't. College shouldn't be for those who want to

11 years ago | Likes 181 Dislikes 11

2: learn, but those who are already learned to become refined. But to push college onto everyone who does not have the capacity does in fact

11 years ago | Likes 134 Dislikes 11

3: cause a problem. There are many smart, non-college educated people out there, but also a lot of dumb college graduates who were told

11 years ago | Likes 119 Dislikes 9

4: they should go to college when they shouldn't be there. That's the problem. How many people graduate with 'business' degrees but don't

11 years ago | Likes 115 Dislikes 7

4: know the first thing about running a business? That's the issue.

11 years ago | Likes 88 Dislikes 4

my business program has a hands on component, i'm currently running a business with my classmates.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Then, the problem is the skills gap. Why have a business program if it's not teaching important skills.

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

As someone going for a finance degree being able to run a comp. isn't my priority. I the problem is people who cant do their major, right?

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

That same outcome could come from which university you attend. With how many are available it's understandable that some don't have (1/2)

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's amazing that people can graduate school and have no actual life skills. What is the purpose of school if it won't prepare you for life.

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

School prepares us to work in factories.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1: That's why I said college shouldn't be a place to learn but to become polished. That's what college was originally for. The men in the

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

because college isn't supposed to be life preparation. it is supposed to be an institution of advanced thought and innovation.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I nearly have a PhD and completely agree that academic achievement does not correlate with leadership skills, but Scott Walker is a fuckwit

11 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 15

I'm not sure what a pretty huge dick has to do with academic achievement, or leadership for that matter, but welcome to the club :-)

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Now I'm trying to suss out the logistics of *nearly* having a pretty huge dick

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Just curious, do you live in Wisconsin? I didn't realize that so many people were aware of him until recently.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

No, I'm Australian, but I'm a massive politics nerd. Also my best friend's fianceé is a Wisconsinite.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Man, this MD I'm getting is nothing more than a peer group assessment of potential, it is not an indication of any actual accomplishment.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 4

I guess the bachelors degree, my masters degree and now medical doctorate are just a massive gap in skill set and a trillion dollars in debt

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

Yeah, the 3 degrees finally leading to my dream job were clearly a waste, I coulda just...?? No. There's no other way but to do the work.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

MD doesn't guarantee someone will actually be a good doctor.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Definitely not. It's a tough market in a under saturated field. For sure man

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Mike Rowe is a great guy and he's very smart, but a president who never graduated college would be terrible for our international image.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

So be competent and get a degree?

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Or, just be competent at whatever career path you can make for yourself.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

COMPETENSE FTW!!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd like to increase my probability of enjoying a career that I can support myself with, so I'll shoot for both.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Some of the most intelligent people I've ever met never finished high school, some of the dumbest have PhDs. Wisdom isn't a product of 1/2

11 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 3

2/2 education, but of real world experience and the ability to apply it.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 3

You, all day you. And Mike Rowe.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

My uncle barely managed to graduate HS. He started working the railroads as gen. laborer & is now a project manager (1/2)

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

which normally requires a Bachelors in Civil Engineering. It revolves around interests and work ethics (2/2)

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

He should consider writing software and call his company Mike Rowe Soft

11 years ago | Likes 568 Dislikes 8

I think he would Excel.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There was a teenager named Mike Rowe who actually did create a website using that name. Microsoft sued him for that.

11 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 0

Yep. He was forced to sell the domain name mikerowesoft.com to Microsoft for $1.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Well I'll be damned...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I saw this comment, didn't get it, browsed some more pictures... then it hit me. I came back just to upvote this.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

Fun fact, this joke is based on a true story

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I just googled it and oh. my. gosh.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Nice ! Really !

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

On an eerily similar note, I used to always say to my sister "Dirty Steve Jobs". I don't even remember the context

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Unfortunately you can't smooth-talk your way through programming. Mike needs to understand that hard skills are important as well.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

But then we'll get the sewage screen of death

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oh dear god. heres your fucking upvote

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

saw this right as I clicked "next >>" came back just to give you an upvote haha

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

you mother fucker! +1

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Word

11 years ago | Likes 129 Dislikes 0

What word?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Well met.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I would like to shake hands with you.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Powerpoint

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

*on powerpoint

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

He's sure to Excell

11 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 1

You, sir, have Access to my upvote.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That's a POWERful POINT. Dammit i got the shitty one...

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Maybe next time your Outlook wont be so bleak.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Perhaps I should write this One Note down

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

His palms are sweaty. Newsweek, arms are heavy. There's Vonage on his sweater already. Mom's spaghetti. He's nervous.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I love this comment, you make your posts so ACCESSible

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Dean's quote goes on to say that he's mostly worried about a president who doesn't believe in evolution/science.

11 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 6

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11 years ago (deleted Feb 19, 2015 8:44 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Uhhhh people who want to know the president understands and trusts scientists? Instead of blatantly disregarding evidence for ideology?

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I'm mostly worried that he prob DOES believe in evolution, but wont say because hes cowtwong to the dumb flat earth Republican voters

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

Fair. Which is equally terrifying for me.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

And I don't think Obama ever studied or taught the Constitution but that doesn't stop me from driving a car. Complete non-sequitur.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 7

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11 years ago (deleted Mar 11, 2015 8:05 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

No. It's also to lead the party they come from, and a science-denying wacko would be a terrifying choice on many levels.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

I think walker had a decent answer last time some one asked that. "My faith and science are not incompatible"but I could be wrong

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

Scott walker *IS* unknowledgeable, not because he doesn't have a degree, but because he values ideology above data.

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I think in politics it is sometimes better to have more focus on ideology then on data, since data has no regard for the Human measure.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 14

than*(?)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

That's not the point. He may be a terrible candidate for office. The point is that his lack of a degree is not the reason for that.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

That is, in fact, exactly the point I was trying to make.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh, my mistake.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

TIL: Rachel Maddow uses the screen name LizardEnterprises.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 9

put up the state stats... that's the data that drives policy... you could have faulty logic and still have a successful platform... *ahem TX

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Who knows what he values? He's a politician. What he SELLS is ideology instead of data, and it sells very well indeed.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Well, his policies aren't based in reality, and that's really all I care about.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I agree with you LizardEnterprises there's a strange fascination with ideology that has stunted progression you must have scientifically 1/2

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

(1/2) It's not even a question of what politicians are willing to admit, its a question of what voters are willing to hear.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

(2/2) Governing is complicated, and most voters want to be done with politics as fast as possible, so they can go watch Idol or whatever...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Backed data in order to prove that said ideology is effective. Otherwise you have a waste of time. No politician wants to admit that. 2/2

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Then he likely will fail to sell the pencil. The point isn't that he's a good choice, it's merely that lack of a college degree isn't why.

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 5

He might not sell it but not because of this. Since when is empiricism important to voters?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Depends on what 'selling the pencil' is in this metaphor. Is it governing effectively? Yeah, he will fail. Is it getting re-elected?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What did he do that was so bad?

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

He pushed through the Gogebic mine - they gave him $750,000 in 2011 and 2012 for his recall election that he claimed not to know about.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I don't think even 3 boxes of 140 character text would cover it. He is basically turning us into the Mississippi of the north.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

Mississippi of the north... So accurate. I'm stealing this phrase.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Just lately he lined out the mission statement of the UW system in his budget, then said it was the Regents' idea to lose it. He's a liar.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 3

No. It was a drafting error

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

WI is dead last in women's rights in the US, allowed companies to collect tax credits after exporting overseas while ...

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

... nursing one of the highest unemployment rates. More: https://www.facebook.com/Shitscottwalker

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Walker has also gutted employees' collective bargaining rights statewide. Maybe he's great if you're not a member of the working class.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Which is pretty much all Wisconsin is.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oh, and he's set up reading tests for kindergartners. Because we don't already have too much testing in schools, or start it too young...

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

He's enacted a voter ID law, which wont do a damned thing to stop voter fraud, just make it harder for people to vote legitimately.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

In addition to everything already mentioned he rejected funds to set up a state healthcare exchange (which just puts you on the federal one)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

He lied about how many jobs he would create.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I do admire Mike Rowe and think he's right about a lot of things. But I can tell you right now that [1/2]

11 years ago | Likes 605 Dislikes 45

he can shove the poo deeper on my butt [2/2]

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

his fist is surprisingly supple and his skin is buttery smooth. [2/2]

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

fisting is so hot right now. [2/2/]

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I feel like Obama was asked to talk about a pencil or 8 min. then hired.

11 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 15

something something teleprompter

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

Not likely as Obama can't really talk about anything longer than 5 seconds without checking the teleprompter.

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 4

his fisting is crude, but consistent. [2/2]

11 years ago | Likes 57 Dislikes 13

...I knew exactly what I was doing leaving that sentence hanging. [2/2]

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

fair. but name me one federal politician "today" that isn't in it for the career? I know none on the national/state level.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

Elizabeth Warren.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

common man, huh? i'll give it to you, she is more of an activist than a politician... 2 points to gryffindor.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I worked in "the machine" for 6 years before my current job. I can spot a slug from a mile away. She certainly is one of us....

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Scott Walker has only ever wanted to be a politician and that's what scares me most. [2/2]

11 years ago | Likes 673 Dislikes 69

Also, there's no fucking way that pencil story happened just the way he told it.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 7

It's been 25 years pretty sure that is obvious to anyone with any IQ whatsoever

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Look at the front page some time. Imgur is a very very gullible community.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Well some on here have no IQ, so yeah. (Sometimes that person is me

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Yeah, but this letter was hardly even about Scott Walker. He was more of a plot device.

11 years ago | Likes 64 Dislikes 3

I don't know anything about Scott Walker, but I despise the concept of a career politician.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Found the democrat...

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 9

found the republican...

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Have heard of a man named Barack Obama?

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

You say "scares me the most" like he is the exception and not the rule.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

No, I say "scares me the most" because there are a lot of other things that scare me about that guy.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Do you have any idea how many politicians on all sides of congress are just like that? Most politicians scare the fuck out of me.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I don't care if someone is a career politician, so long as they don't treat politics like a career. It comes down to character.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Douglas Adams had it right: anyone who would want to be a politician should never be allowed to do it.

11 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 3

#mikerowe2016

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Heh, i'd sure vote for him.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

While I agree with that, Plato said “Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.”

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If we're thinking of the same bit, I think the context was "The best rulers are reluctant but don't want to be governed by the inferior."

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I might be thinking of Socrates or a different bit, but I do like how that context seems to marry the two ideas.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Isn't that true for most politicians? Most don't make the career change from gardener or mechanic one day. It's their main ambition.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

All politicians should scare you. They run your country.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Reasons don't matter. Policies do. The problem is that he has bad policies.

11 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 10

As someone living in Wisconsin: agreed.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

Bad policies? If only. Walker is a liar even when he doesn't have to lie. He's a habitual liar who thinks rules are for the other guys.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Yeah, I thought the same. Mike Rowe beautifully explained the difference between competence and qualification. But I still don't know 1/3

11 years ago | Likes 40 Dislikes 6

what Scott Walker is actually competent in. I'm not fron Wisconsin, not even from the USA, but I've heard the name before 2/3

11 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 6

Scott Walker is competent in being a crook. And doing anything to "piss of liberals" SOLELY to piss off liberals. Like thats his goal.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

and from what I've heard I wouldn't trust Scott Walker to be a competent night watchman at a sperm bank. 3/3

11 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 6

I can't believe the people of WI elected him again. I thought we were smarter than that. Ugh.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Same as Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton.

11 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 12

And yet this gets downvotes. This fucking place

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 10

"We are tolerant of everyone! Unless, of course, you disagree with our opinions." -imgur

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

but why did you skip over the Bush family? Jeb, George Jr., George Sr...

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

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I got into 2 Wisc schools for PhD. I'm touring both, but I'm just not sure if I can go to those schools. Walker just has me too worried.

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 8

I'm in academia in Wisconsin (did my PhD elsewhere). If I weren't in a private university, I'd be scared right now.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

He would turn the UW system into community college, given the chance. His budget is a joke, and shows how little he values education.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

In a strange way, I suppose it's comforting knowing Louisiana isn't the only one in this boat right now. Fuck Bobby Jindal.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I wish more people understood this about him. How is everyone else in the state just watching it happen??

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I agree, I never liked career politicians. Always in it for the wrong reasons.

11 years ago | Likes 223 Dislikes 6

So you're saying you don't like any politicians?

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Once upon a time, Congressmen had day jobs.

11 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 0

Once upon a time not so long ago there were drastically less than 7 billion of us on the planet too.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Meh. If someone spends forty hours a week selling bath fixtures, they're going to be too preoccupied to learn the nuances of Net Neutrality.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Great point, but maybe if they had been too preoccupied selling bath fixtures we wouldn't have monopolized utilities in the first place.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's actually quite a fair point. Though from what I understand, most are preoccupied with fundraising for their next election atm.

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

There's a big difference between charisma and knowing how to run a fucking government.

11 years ago | Likes 59 Dislikes 10

PREEEEEAAAACCCHHH

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Yes, but his record as governor should be used to judge, not his lack of degree. That was Mike's point, I think.

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Finally someone who gets what he was saying

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

And somehow a degree is what is needed to do that? And Scott has experience doing that. Unless you read the NYT that blamed him for 1/2

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 7

teachers being fired before he took office, because time machines or something. 2/2

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 7

Yes. Kudos on being able to talk about pencils for 8 minutes but I'd like to know your plan for lowering the unemployment rate.

11 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 4

Right, being able to talk about pencils for 8 minutes really comes in handy for the economics and politics classes.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Ah well you see in college I learned y=mx+b

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Getting a degree doesn't magically give you the knowledge to run a government. Or any sort of knowledge, unless you want to learn.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

No, just the work and research and time typically put into getting that degree gives you a bit more knowledge than a high school grad.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

And if you want to learn, then you can absolutely learn without going to college. It's about attitude, which is the point Mike was making.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I meet with so many business owners who lament their lack of employees with 1) integrity and 2) willingness to learn. Never degrees.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Holy mother of TL;DR, Batman!

11 years ago | Likes 122 Dislikes 27

anyone with a college education will scoff at this comment

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

If you spent several years of your life & a small fortune on something, you aren't typically too fond of agreeing to devalue it, true or not

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Holy TL;RA, Robin

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 4

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 6

That....that was glorious!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Sure is, just with I new the source :/

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

worth the read I promise

11 years ago | Likes 62 Dislikes 5

Scott Walker is a POS.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Very much so, thanks OP.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Aint nobody got time for dat

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I"ll favorite and read it later'

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Really is. Great inspiration since i got dropped from two job opportunities where they wanted to hire me but my gpa was a couple points low.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

It totally did, thanks for posting it.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You never consider Mike Rowe's eloquence when he's shoveling feces out of dead carcasses in sewer pipe mines.

11 years ago | Likes 2315 Dislikes 11

He was an opera singer too

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

And all the Wisconsinites are just sitting here thinking that maybe if Walker had finished college he'd be as eloquent as a feces shoveler.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 6

I'd vote for Mike Rowe.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

...which is actually the job description for elected office. (and I don't mean eloquence)

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Hey, congrats on making top comment!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I did.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

#mikerowe2016

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think he might be a happy man.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think in a sense we do because if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have kept watching. He effectively sold the show to us.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I knew of him for his stage acting/narrating before Dirty Jobs came out. So it was always the best of both worlds to watch the show!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He was also a philosophy major. I think that honed his innate eloquence. And/or education and/or experience helped instill it.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I like what he once said, "I'm not paid to succeed, I'm paid to try."

11 years ago | Likes 333 Dislikes 0

. Motivational poster idea.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

goddammit that's going on the wall

11 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 0

That's beautiful.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I do like listening to him narrate shows like deadliest catch though. He has quite the voice.

11 years ago | Likes 103 Dislikes 0

He really does. He even makes the more intolerable people of the show somewhat bearable... looking at you, Elliot Neese

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Didn't he also narrate Mythbusters for a time?

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Au contraire; it is precisely his eloquence that makes shoveling shit seem interesting.

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. THANK YOU.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Dudes who can do this make me stop and listen. Charlie Murphy once spent a few seconds talking about welfare peanut butter (1)

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

and how he learned in the military that you can add cooking oil to this shitty stuff to make it exactly like something like Skippy. (2)

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's not a particularly interesting anecdote, but dang it he made it fucking compelling.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's also that he truly cares and appreciates these people who not only do but enjoy jobs that make most people gag.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Maybe I'm missing the point, but besides eloquence, he still knew before that the pencil had graphite and was used by artists and scientists

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

That's part of the point. Self-taught is still taught. He didn't need credentials to know how to learn & to use his knowledge.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All right, I kinda get it now. Credentials don't mean everything.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Maybe I'm missing your point, but those things are obvious. The hard part is thinking to say it, and doing it on the spot.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Before Dirty Jobs, he sang Opera

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

I'm not sure I believe you, but I can't prove you wrong either..

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

He talked about it when he was on this ESPN radio show, I'll see if I can find proof though

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

check the last paragraph in this section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rowe#Early_life

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

While making 7 to 8 figures when some frat-brojob in a tie is making $28k staring at a computer monitor.

11 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 6

True story. Rowe likes to pitch his whole "working man" ethos, but this "anti-college" message ignores the inherent value of knowledge 1/

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 24

His message is not "anti college". He is against the idea that going to college is the only way to "succeed" in life.

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

He is also very vocal in promoting trade schools as a viable alternative to 4 year colleges

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

or that people with degrees, while not guaranteed jobs, are almost certain to make more than the same ppl in the same job without them. 2/

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 19

As someone without a degree (who can't even work for one at this stage) there are many jobs where I'm immediately discounted, not by the 3/

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

hiring manager or someone I could even see to "show my moxie" but by software that finds a box not checked and immediately filters me out./4

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

If you put only a monetary value on knowledge,or if you consider only one sort of knowledge valuable then you are part of the problem.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I dropped out of college, and make close to 50k a year (DoD work). People I know with degrees are lucky to make 25k working at McDonalds...

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

It's about the long haul. While I make way more than 50k, others, younger than me (without a family & mortgage) are making way more than me.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

I also dropped out of college and used to make as much or more than my fellows. But I reached a ceiling before they did years down the road.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

This is an extremely well put and valid point, but Scott Walker is basically the devil. Source: I'm a Wisconsinite

11 years ago | Likes 174 Dislikes 45

Word to Gov. Walker's mother!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

As someone who lived in WI until recently, this is what I always think of when I see him. But hey, even (A)

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 6

Gump had a degree. (B)

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

Well you're an idiot

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 5

This is a well made mediocre point. This guy is being so simplistic and using capitalism as an example.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Definitely leaning on a strawman. While the technically capitalist example isn't the worst, it is clear that market != government. Etc etc.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Off topic. I just remembered a TYT video where some Fox reporter tried to convince viewers that regulations aren't needed in a free market.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

NO! Just because your opinions differ, that does not make him evil. That ignorant statement of polarization is what's wrong with 1/2

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 10

2/2 our politics. People need to stop hating each other and just fucking work together.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 5

Then you know nothing about ALEC or Walker or the GOP for that matter. They marginalize all opposition through lies and deceit.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

Because the Democrats have NEVER stooped to that level . . . . [Sarcasm]

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

Not really.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Actually i do know. Both sides are guilty of this. The Tea Party has fox news spreading their hateful crap for them.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That should probably read Democrat. Wisconsonites have elected that guy three times.

11 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 15

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11 years ago (deleted Mar 28, 2015 8:58 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

For re-electing him?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Yes.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but I will never forget this from postsecret during his recall:

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

Also what happened with his legal defense fund? I had to stop following politics not long after that started for medical reasons.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The Gogebic mine gave him $750,000 for 2011 and 2012 for his recall. He claimed not to know about it!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Only because of the (R) next to his name. Not because he's any fucking good.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have personally met Governor Walker and talked to him about a lot of things. I can guarantee you he's not Satan.

11 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 24

Hades then?

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 5

I've met Sarah Palin, and she's not the devil either. She's not dumb, she's just crazy.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Whatever you say, Asmodeus.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

Maybe he's just constantly rolling 1's...

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I know! He balances budgets and stuff, that's got to be wrong.

11 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 28

And then unbalances it...

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Except he didn't even do that.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yeah! Let's spend money we don't have at such a rate that our grandchildren will never be able to pay off the debt!

11 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 7

Said all of the American people!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm going to cut $300 million from UW, meanwhile, here's $200 million to the Milwaukee Bucks for a new stadium. "Free market!"

11 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 6

In all fairness the bucks will be able to pay it back. plus their economic impact on the community and state is huge. But why not both

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

The owners of the Bucks are billionaires. With a "b". The taxpayers should not be giving them any money at all.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The so-called "stadium tax" was a gift to the Brewers. Jobs? Seasonal ones. Construction? It's built. The people who benefit? Millionaires.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

how many people come to brewers games filling hotel rooms eating at restaurants etc. Not saying its right, but that I doubt we know it all

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0