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WuTangsforthechildren
MattDude
Hendrxgost
I always upvote DeGrasse.
rouverius
We are impacting the climate. But when facts are being exaggerated/manipulated by both sides, it's hard not to confuse it all for politics.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
It is inherently political because it requires state and international cooperation to manage a response.
joshnyc
I get his point. Though if E=ML(oseyourjob), it would be political too
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
He's saying he politics should be how to deal with it. Because if your job depends on plants or animals or living on a coast....
LevelOneGamer
It's only political because it threatens oil and coal companies
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
Well it threatens entire state and country economies disrupts power structures, threatens food chains and requires international cooperation
RandAlTh0r
BeingForTheBenifitOfMrKite
i think he forgot about the so called scientists who were caught misrepresenting the data.
itsatoughshittydingo
Read this and report. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
OR you could accept the word of literally 98% of the scientific community instead. And we might not lose 1/4 of the human population
itsatoughshittydingo
It's not near 98%. But go ahead a follow the crowd. It's more comfortable.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
Pardon. 90%. And you understand what consensus means? You think believing in an oncoming and preventable extinction event is comfortable?
itsatoughshittydingo
Hype.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
You're nuanced and fact based rebuttal is so trenchant. OR we are already into a mass extinction as described in peer reviewed journals.
CantStopTheRock
Oh, there are people choosing sides. Its just that one side is scientist and people who arent dumb, and the other side is... Week wrong
resiler
E=mc^2 has neither an economic nor religious impact, or you BET idiots and assholes would be debating it.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
That equation literally laid the groundwork for nuclear weapons. So it has quite a bit of economic and military impact.
resiler
The existence of it has an impact, the fact of it does not. It serves no interest to claim E != mc^2
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
And it serves no interest to demonstrate that the ice caps have receded, average temp is up, and ocean acidification is increasing. AllFacts
ginoraa
Does switching to renewable energy have religious impact?
resiler
No... just as the age of the Earth has no economic impact, but is subject to 'debate' by creationists.
neezie
This guy needs to take the nomination from Cruella DeVos and revamp our education system. Seriously.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
That is silly. Just like her, he is not qualified. The difference is that he knows it. (Adminstration is different from teaching)
PizzaGovorun
That would make sense. Hence, it has no place in politics, much less in current administration.
ginoraa
Wouldn't the switch to renewable energy maintain and expand on the number of jobs in the industry already? Honest question.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
Yes, but not in the same places. Coal country isn't wind or solar country. The necessary changes will.destroy whole states economies.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
Btw, by saying that I just mean that we should respect how brutally hard this will be on a lot of places.
ginoraa
No I totally get it! But I feel like the change is inevitable.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
It is. The open question is will it break us because we have been preparing for anything but the realities.
ginoraa
The switch from coal or oil to renewable wouldn't be immediate. Surely the time it takes to change would give states a chance to change?
ginoraa
adapt.* I mean changes like this have happened before.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
I mean this is going to be some Grapes of Wrath shit. People just leaving states because there isn't work or money for schools
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
The change is going to hit either way. But it is worth really feeling just how unbelievably bad this is going to be for a lot of people.
BillyBob177
some people don't believe it today, but your kids and grand kids will,if it's not to late for them..
BeastyBoysAreDoingItLive
Some people still believe the earth is flat. Fucking people believe al sorts of stupid shit.
BeastyBoysAreDoingItLive
Some people still believe the earth is flat. Fucking people believe al sorts of stupid shit.
TheUglyGuy
You can largely thank Al Gore for politicizing environmental issues.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
That is an absolutely idiotic thing to believe. Do you think Oppenheimer politicized the A-bomb?
TheUglyGuy
Do you recall how environmentalism was not tied to the Democratic party before his presidential campaign?
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
You mean how the ozone hole and nuclear power were not politicized? Oh wait....
TheUglyGuy
They were heavily politicized, but environmental issues were not identified exclusively with the Democrats until Gore.
SpongebobReferences
It doesn't help that the republicans don't even use logic when defending their stance. The logical argument would be that the government
TheUglyGuy
That's largely because Gore made it an identity for the Democrats, so the Repubs have to disagree, but they really agree. So chaos.
SpongebobReferences
should have no part in climate change prevention. If the people want ecofriendly stuff, they should only buy ecofriendly stuff, then
SpongebobReferences
the oil and coal industries will have to change drastically or fail, resulting in only ecofriendly things being produced. But they don't
SpongebobReferences
mention this. They just keep supporting the oil and coal industries and denying climate change like a bunch of idiots. Also, to be fair,
SpongebobReferences
the government would waste a ton of money for no reason in their attempt to prevent climate change.
catprolly
What about global warming is a stark better alternative to global freezing half the planet used to be frozen for millions of years fuck that
Telruin
This what we are worried will happen again. The Gulf Stream will stop spreading warm air to the north.
catprolly
And that'll stop happening cause everything is warm anyway? You lost me...
Telruin
The warmth will release a pool of cold water held in place by ice, directly into the gulf stream. This will in theory stop it.
catprolly
Ahhh makes sense.... I'm guessing that effect would only be temporary as when all that ice melted for the great flood and here we are now
Telruin
It would be temporary for a couple of hundreds or thousand years.