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The original sci fi-horror is a praised film, with Arnold Schwarzenegger giving the deadly infiltrator an iconic human visage. Yet a seldom brought up aspect, that I feel add much to both world building and atmosphere, is its second skinjob.
Edit: my bad, should be 1984
Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) told Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) about the T-800 hunting her:
“The Terminator is an infiltration unit, part man, part machine. Underneath it's a hyperalloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled, fully armored, very tough. But outside it's living human tissue. Flesh, skin, hair, blood, grown for the cyborgs.”
“The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human... sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot. I had to wait till he moved on you before I could zero him.”
Later we share a future memory of Reese, of a cyborg that infiltrates his human refuge. The machine is revealed by guard dogs but not in time to prevent a massacre.
It is a T-800, as apparent from its human features [this being before model inflation befell the series]. And it is not portrayed by Arnold Schwarzenegger but by his friend, and fellow bodybuilder, Franco Columbu (1941 - 2019).
It makes sense that for efficiency the new infiltration model will come in various skins [literally], and that Schwarzenegger portrayed but one skin among others. Yet, the tv-series apart, we got but his face over and over again, whether IRL or as CGI.
As for me, I adore the paranoia that the short presence of Columbu adds; the paranoia of not before seen faces, borne by deadly machines coming for us in a grim future...
TheFastpaws
My mom didn't want me to watch it as a kid but later had no issues with T2. Despite still being pretty young.
Macetheace50
Macetheace50
wadatahmydamie
The series was fun, and had a few elements that could have been distilled into a capable movie or two. Dillahunt and Manson are upper tier terminators as well
themaillardman
https://youtu.be/7hnPwR3QcCU?si=H9BBzoPiGMcqmGIt
I remember when he died, someone posted a pic of him lifting a car out of a parking space
zmanz
i like Sarah Conner Chronicles w Lena Headley, Shirley Manson (Garbage ,UK band).. esp Archive org fixed version
ISayShenanigans
I remember a hidden scene in one of the movies that showed an early model of the T-800 that looked like Arnold, but with a wimpy voice, and a wimpy looking soldier with Arnold's voice saying that they'll have to change the robots voice.
jherazob
Macetheace50
Chort26
anegativecreep
Kill all humans!
Ngugi
Macetheace50
Macetheace50
Iaimtomisbehave
Arnold and Franco:
Starbolt81
You could argue that John Connor may have grabbed an Arnie T800 off the rack for the 2nd protection mission without realising it was the same model that terrorised his mom in the 80's.
hemi244824
One of the best Syfy movies made..😎
Macetheace50
TyrannusEquus
Jurassic Park and Terminator got me interested in the Spas12 shotgun. I own one now! Very heavy, but so interesting.
tooMuchButterOnDosTres
Is that the one in the „clever girl“ scene?
TyrannusEquus
It is! That one is a gen1 and I have a two. The only real big difference is you have to push the stock retainer plunger in when deploying the stock on gen 1s. The twos you can pull it out and it locks on its own. And some minor differences in the front sight. I was lucky enough that the spas store was still around and got all the parts to make it functional again.
Tomigami
I like to think that Arnold's version was mass-produced for a reason. Either:
A. The AI, trained by humans, had a flaw deep in its programming that glommed onto the very human trend of the common denominator in terms of design - Arnie's version found Sarah Connor, so was the most successful; or:
B. Arnie was the final result of randomization. Use the Dark Souls random character creator and you'll see how it gradually funnels down to a barely-changing commonality.
Also, he DID say he'd be back.
sadurdaynight
Screamers did the same thing, where each version was just mass production of carbon copies. But there it made sense. The system was programmed to make a machine from a blue print with no deviation. But then it decided to make a whole new unit type to deliver on the "kill the enemy" objective. And it stamped them out as clones. It never thought to add variation to the ones stamped out in versions, so folks quickly recognized them after few encounters.
eXoRainbow
I never understood why the Terminator displays and sees the Assembler code while viewing the world to his eyes. It makes no sense, because he does not need to view it in order to have it in memory and to do whatever it needs to.
StephenDaniels
It's for people with a lesser understanding of how a machine intelligence would function. It also sneaked in a little exposition and even a little humor from time to time IIRC.
Maulbert
The Terminator came out in 1984, not 1982.
Ngugi
Indeed, my bad; an edit added
Kheldarn
That's neat! I was pretty young when I first watched it, and I don't think I've done a full re-watch since, so I absolutely missed that. I love learning things like this about movies and TV shows. Thanks for sharing!
wadatahmydamie
Excepting a little stop motion and one scene with a rubber mask, it holds up very well. IIRC they had to rush a bunch of shots and did a lot of it at night because they didn’t have permits for filming
hyptosis
i always loved the way the older models eyes glowed even when they had their human rubber skins on, super spooky, robots 'not getting it quite right' is terrifying
JimmyWalkerTexasRanger
It's that uncanny valley off-putting feeling
that really terrifies me.
I sometimes get that from *real?* people.
Maybe I'm just psychotelepathic. https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1NGppMDJ2OTRtaXQyM3EzdDIwemRpbXp1bGQxbmJvOGI3Zm9xdmNvZiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/H3BoxrpcT4fPynU424/200w.webp
gilliamv
"real" people like this one? ... https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YWl4OHhiZnNvN2cydDFraWQ4M3Zibmdia3Bla3EzejBibHptaTM2diZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/cPNXOm7ln8HwK7UcbV/200w.webp
hyptosis
gilliamv
Arnie terminator smile for humorous reply. https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1c2lncjVscTRoZzF1b2VwNzVnZDFoZDE1bHlzeHk0d2ZhenczaW1iMyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/sSRAxPZwD3tXG/200w.webp
mythreindeer
I like 'The Terminator' better than 'Terminator 2: Judgement Day.'
NonyGony
You are not alone.
TheFastpaws
It is the transition from a thriller horror to an action movie.
NonyGony
I think that more accurately describes Alien & Aliens. Both T1 & T2 are very much action movies.
mythreindeer
I have a thing linking these two franchises in my mind, because I think the transition TheFastpaws described works for both. And in both cases, I prefer the first movie, even though I'm not a big horror person. I just think the original in each case is the better movie.
jlist
If you haven't played it, Terminator: Resistence is one of the best games I've ever played. It's all set in the world of the future, with alternative story arcs with various characters.
IrateWolfe
Resistance is an odd one- it's clunky and a bit half-assed in places, but so clearly a work of passion by devs that are HUGE fans, and it got so much RIGHT that I could easily forgive the rough edges. They went on to make the two recent Robo Cop games, both of which were fantastic
TyrannusEquus
I love the Robocop games.
Rumpelstiltskinner
I should check them out
TheFastpaws
The latest ones DLC is kinda meh but the core game nails being Robocop.
TyrannusEquus
If you have Steam I believe it's on sale. I need to find the second one, I was only playing the one. It's a linear shooter and some open area investigations. It's cool you can roam around Detroit neighborhoods. You can also exercise discretion in how you handle crimes you find.
ImBuildingaT800
But the movie is from 1984 no?
Jedit
Yes, which is why you should downvote this. The OP is either totally ignorant and nothing he says has value, or more probably he's been getting Claude to do his research.
ImBuildingaT800
Or its just a brain fart or a typo. I enjoy Terminator-content :)
Ngugi
Doh! Indeed, that’s what I get for drinking and posting ;)
ImBuildingaT800
Good combo though :)
Faloopsinarb
You're right that they shouldn't all look like Arnold, it's a mistake on the machine's part to do that. But, he is pretty much the face of the franchise, so you have to suspend a little disbelief. :)
IDownvoteKhaby
I believe the in universe explanation is that the skin jobs were modeled after a human soldier that was big enough to fit the endoskeleton, but they changed his speech pattern to sound more intimidating.
There's a deleted scene in T3 where Arnold plays the soldier while doing a terrible southern accent.
Ngugi
I certainly get why the suits decided upon plaster Arnold on each T-800-type model, but me not thinking of the value of art [whether a painting, book or film] in terms of rights or PR departments' requests I shan't pretend I was not disappointed when in for ex Terminator Salvation we enter a 'terminator factory' yet we get only a bad Arnold CGI replica instead of various infiltrator models with unforeseen faces coming for Connor ;)
bitemark
In-universe I just assumed there would be several with Arnold's skin, several with Franco's, etc, and we've just coincidentally usually ended up with an Arnold.
But of course his face drives the franchise and you need him
Isthe4thtimethecharm
If we want to talk about the machines mistakes. They should have focused on self replicating nanobots dumped into water supplies. Or even in aerosol dispersed anywhere people are hiding.
Faloopsinarb
There was an old GURPS rpg supplement that did this right, the AIs started with diseases that wiped out 80% of humans right away, then slowly whittled down the survivors until diseases were mostly ineffective, and only then started with the killer robots.
TheLastSpaceman
The dialogues were top-notch in this movie
nefroye
"Nice night for a walk, eh?"
"Nice night for a walk"
tricerabottom
Laundry day. Nothing clean… right?
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
"Your clothes. Give them to me - NOW."
HashMaster9k
Early Cameron, when he didn't have more money than god.
presentingmedia
Always hated that comment, a god would have no use for money so a penny would be more money than god
ThatGuy42
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1eTYzc3Bmcm5nNXFjcGg2cmY1NjBjbGxpeWdpbWZsdndoeGEweTRyMCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/BOktOSfm4xjHi/200w.webp I love the first two movies so much!
Ngugi
beez428
They've only made 2, haven't they?
TyrannusEquus
And T2 3D. It was a theme park attraction but it's fun. Does not really fit the timeline too well, but we get to see the brain of the machines.
JustBoone
2 good ones, 3 if you liked salvation, a couple bad ones and a solid anime and tv series that both got axed.
Hashbrown123
And a TV series that was canceled before it's time. But that is it.
ThatGuy42
Don't get me started on Star Wars.
JohnThatcher
Starwars had 3 movies and then a bunch of fanfiction of wildly varying quality.
DannoWaso
ThatGuy42
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MWZqcXRkcGNhd2RlOTZzZ3Y4eGlhemFjNTh2eTljMnQwdGZncWpodyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/rNtxQTWjVM7WE/200w.webp