This is such a perversion of appropriation fears. Lunar new year is thousands of years old and celebrated throughout the world and in all of E and SE Asia. It’s like saying celebrating the much newer holiday of Xmas is cultural appropriation. While I’d agree that there really is no such thing as “reverse racism” it’s absurd to say celebrating such a massive and popular (and secular!) holiday is not ok for yppl.
So because I don’t live in an Asian country when an Asian person wishes me a happy new year I should tell them to shut up and I should rip down their decorations? I don’t think so Kassy.
A Muslim customer in my dad’s shop once told me off on Christmas Day because I didn’t wish him a merry Christmas even though I was doing it for the white people. It was a fair point because as a brown guy I also get annoyed when I get treated differently. I have since learnt my lesson and everyone gets a merry Christmas if I’m ever at the shop
I’m also Chinese and it’s lunar New Year’s Eve tomorrow so you guys can celebrate by eating a huge meal if you want, any meal, not limited to Chinese. Supposed to make you fat but healthy for the new year, plenty of food and drinks for a plentiful new moon year. It’s the year of dragon, not limited to Chinese long ass dragons, the one that was in hobbits is included. Also dnd ones. Also balrog in lotr cos he looked like one. So if your age%12==0 you can wear something red, like red underwear.
Gatekeepers can take a flying leap - theres so much that we share that its time we're aware its a small world after all, embrace and share in other cultures!
Friendly reminder that you don't get to celebrate Andy Wang day unless you're literally from a planet that does, or if you are invited by someone who is from a planet that does
The Korean shop owners in my small town celebrate it and still played Mexican music like yes you are truly south Texans you are having fun and still jamming to peso pluma welcome to the valley
A friendly reminder might be that, while learning and celebrating a different culture is good and positive, that some people inadvertently celebrate a caricature of that culture instead. For example, its probably a lot safer of a bet to join an existing celebration organized by such a group in your location - heading down to China town, say - and asking questions whenever in doubt than winging it on your own.
Fair enough. The lunar celebrations in World of Warcraft, despite being abstracted and fictionalized (both to fit into their universe and to avoid connecting with any one specific real-world culture) is done pretty well, I think.
So who should I go to to actually get the original Christmas? You know the one that has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. As Chinese IDGAF if the Lunar New year is caricaturized. It's a time of celebration and if you actually want to be accurate it would take like 12 days Are you having fun and just wanted an excuse for festivities or a day off? Have at it! Unless the caricaturization is done from a place of malice and racism I don't care. If you want to be accurate that would be fun too.
Okay, honest question: the song pronounced Wang using the A sound as in "clang" but in everyday life I've mostly heard ethnic Chinese (dunno any more specific than that) pronounce the name using A as in "ah", what the teachers called a short vowel sound when I was a kid.
Like how many people in the country have to celebrate it for it to be a country that celebrates Lunar New Year. I am sure there are plenty of immigrant families in the US that celebrate it.
I had to go to my local credit union to withdraw some cash, and was given some little red envelopes. Pretty sure when the hispanic teller hands the half-japanese guy the accoutrements of a Chinese/southeast Asian holiday, we can consider that the locality celebrates it. (and no, I had to pay for a craigslist purchase, it wasn't a new years gift for GirlChild).
I hate (mostly) the "cultural appropriation" crap. Cultures are meant to be shared – styles, fashions, hats, sayings, holidays - heck, if we limited ourselves to "our culture" we'd have to argue if dreadlocks belong to Nords or Africans.
Idgaf if the Chinese want to celebrate Easter, Iran takes our booty shorts or men in Japan start wearing hijabs. A Bangladesh taco chain could appropriate Jesus Christ as their mascot for all I care.
Sharing "our own" culture hurts tribalism, and that's great.
"America, the melting pot of the world." Where all cultures come together as one.
Except now people want to keep all the ingredients in the pot separate because we they either don't want their ingredients tainted by the "bad" ones, or they just want their own ingredient to be special.
Long time ago I heard someone say America is not a "melting pot" it is more of a stew, where all the ingredients can retain their uniqueness but the combining them together produces a wonderful flavor
Many Canadian provinces celebrate a recently-created Family Day holiday in February. It coincides with Lunar New Year often enough that unofficially, many see it as a lunar new year holiday.
The only one I have a problem with is gender reveal parties that involve combustibles/explosives. But that's obviously not an appropriation issue because I doubt we took that from anybody.
Also, gatekeeping for like 2 billion people. It's hardly a secret rite at this point. Would be better to just say "carry a bunch of fivers in case you gotta give one to a dancing dragon"
I hate (mostly) the "cultural appropriation" crap. Cultures are meant to be shared – styles, fashions, hats, sayings, holidays - heck, if we limited ourselves to "our culture" we'd have to argue if dreadlocks belong to Nords or Africans.
Idgaf if the Chinese want to celebrate Easter, Iran takes our booty shorts or men in Japan start wearing hijabs. A Bangladesh taco chain could appropriate Jesus Christ as their mascot for all I care.
Sharing "our own" culture hurts tribalism, and that's great.
Cultural appropriation is when a culture's antiquities are stolen by another nation or making art derivative of another culture without giving credit. Learning about other cultures and participating in their practices is not cultural appropriation.
I was buying some Chinese items in a thrift shop and a Chinese lady wanted to have a look at them. She then told me what region of China they were from etc. She asked if I was buying to resell and I said no I love all these and I have them in my home. She said you must have a beautiful home. (Also I’m so white my mum called me Casper)
It's difficult, because real cultural appropriation does happen often and it does cause real harm, mainly when it intersects with capitalism and affects people's ability to support themselves and their families, and also by reinforcing racist stereotypes. That said, there is a strong trend on the internet to call any form of cultural exchange "cultural appropriation", which dilutes the term and makes it harder to call out actual instances of it happening.
The problem is people have a really piss poor understanding of what we're actually talking about when we say "cultural appropriation." The point should be to give insight and acknowledge the actual culture and to push back on BS claims people make when they are doing racist shit like the redskins use of head dressings. It's also helpful for when talking about things like rock and roll. The fact is black people invented rock and roll by every definition of the word. There are so many talented 1
Responding to your whole comment chain here - I appreciate you assuming positive intent, I was sincere. I want to both ackwoledge that I am not familiar with that definition of cultural appropriation, and should probably learn more about it, and second, that "cultural appropriation" has come to be such common parlance, in the way that I used it, that there actually *needs* to be distinction between academic and common use, similar to how "critical race theory" is so misunderstood that the (1)
common use, similar to how "critical race theory" is so misunderstood that the common use has diverged from its original meaning.
And I mean this even for well-intentioned, liberal, and often well-educated people. From day one, the first time I heard the term years and years ago, the Tumblrettes had grabbed onto cultural appropriation and used it like I did earlier. They meant well, but were misguided and it was more toxic than good. Another example is that I know subscribers to critical (2)
race theory that insist only white people can be racist, conflating privilege and lack thereof with the ability to be racist.
Thus, I was speaking to the idea as commonly understood, and I realize after reading your comment that the fact that "cultural appropriation" has come to be understood as it is now is probably quite unfortunate as it muddies the water. (3/3)
Black musicians that can get completely ignored when we talk about the creation of rock and roll. Meanwhile we talk about a lot of white people that we credit with the creation of rock and roll when the reality is virtually all of them just copied a black artist. THAT'S appropriation. Not the fact that white people started playing rock. The fact that it was black music and we jumped in and THEN we erased them from the history. It's annoying that we end up having the wrong conversations 2
A big reason it often applies to indigenous folks is because a lot of places with colonial roots outlawed those cultural practices and traditional dress until the dominant group thought it was "cool"and embraced it. In the US, it wasn't until 1978 that indigenous folks here had freedom of religion. Basically some chick at Woodstock could wear a headdress and be "cool" but it would be legal to punish someone from the culture it came from for wearing it for another 9 years.
The church I grew up in had us dress up as an indigenous stereotype for stuff. While the govt ran boarding schools to eradicate the culture we were badly mimicking. The point being that it's about context.
Around this but it's also not surprising. This is actually kind of a complicated topic and a lot of people of color have experienced other people 'celebrating' their heritage in a way that doesn't actually do it any honor. So this is also a sensitive topic that can be wrapped into an individuals trauma. Also possible though that she was just high roading. We don't know but when it comes to a topic like this I prefer to assume positive intent. 3/3
MoschopsUK
Everyone loves wang day
wetqueef
This is such a perversion of appropriation fears. Lunar new year is thousands of years old and celebrated throughout the world and in all of E and SE Asia. It’s like saying celebrating the much newer holiday of Xmas is cultural appropriation. While I’d agree that there really is no such thing as “reverse racism” it’s absurd to say celebrating such a massive and popular (and secular!) holiday is not ok for yppl.
andrewgrr1
You can celebrate my weiner if you really want but I really don't like to be called Andy...
VinnyVeritas
Would anybody be surprised if kassy supports Trump?
Lulabel73
So because I don’t live in an Asian country when an Asian person wishes me a happy new year I should tell them to shut up and I should rip down their decorations? I don’t think so Kassy.
qwertdeep
A Muslim customer in my dad’s shop once told me off on Christmas Day because I didn’t wish him a merry Christmas even though I was doing it for the white people. It was a fair point because as a brown guy I also get annoyed when I get treated differently. I have since learnt my lesson and everyone gets a merry Christmas if I’m ever at the shop
ProfessorMatt
The Chinese New Year 4720 starts on Jan 22, but I'll be writing "4719" on everything until at least mid-March.
Camelspotting
It's appropriation to say the lunar new year is Chinese. What about the Jewish or Islamic lunar new years?
trinxter
You must obey tradition, even if it only started 5 years ago.
cantevenbewhenicantevenpee
How else would it become a tradition
FentuckyCriedKhicken
I’m also Chinese and it’s lunar New Year’s Eve tomorrow so you guys can celebrate by eating a huge meal if you want, any meal, not limited to Chinese. Supposed to make you fat but healthy for the new year, plenty of food and drinks for a plentiful new moon year. It’s the year of dragon, not limited to Chinese long ass dragons, the one that was in hobbits is included. Also dnd ones. Also balrog in lotr cos he looked like one. So if your age%12==0 you can wear something red, like red underwear.
cousteau
Omg, my age % 12 == 0! Then again my 36th birthday was late 2023 so I don't know if I'm too late already
FentuckyCriedKhicken
You have like 2 days to wear something red 😂 and your zodiac is the rabbit 🐇
Blabulus
Gatekeepers can take a flying leap - theres so much that we share that its time we're aware its a small world after all, embrace and share in other cultures!
Touchesthings
Friendly reminder that you don't get to celebrate Andy Wang day unless you're literally from a planet that does, or if you are invited by someone who is from a planet that does
OhIfIMust
DidaChikDumaChum
I have let Andy down. Forgive me.
marsgoose
Noooo, stop having fun!
Foxcross
The Wang everyone wants
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Friendly reminder that everyone can celebrate what the fuck they want unless they are in a country with dictatorship.
cousteau
Or what they're celebrating is dictatorship. I mean I guess they can but they definitely shouldn't.
Dakkon
I was invited by app games and destiny 2 lol
Toasterific
Wang means "king" in Chinese. Andy is a king!
haquie
The Korean shop owners in my small town celebrate it and still played Mexican music like yes you are truly south Texans you are having fun and still jamming to peso pluma welcome to the valley
keyblader1985
Lol, I think I remember that post.
bumpusfrancus
Hilarious that they put Andy Wang day on the Gregorian Calendar
SixSixxtySix
Kassy Cho sounds like a real fuckin’ party 💩
TalleyZorah
Cultural Appreciation > Appropriation
Marikhen
Cultured appropriation > cultural appropriation though?
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
Her reminder was not, in fact, friendly. But still, it was good, for The Wang brought enough friendly for everyone.
DavidBrooker
A friendly reminder might be that, while learning and celebrating a different culture is good and positive, that some people inadvertently celebrate a caricature of that culture instead. For example, its probably a lot safer of a bet to join an existing celebration organized by such a group in your location - heading down to China town, say - and asking questions whenever in doubt than winging it on your own.
browsererror
I only join celebrations from inside video games. Real life is scary.
DavidBrooker
Fair enough. The lunar celebrations in World of Warcraft, despite being abstracted and fictionalized (both to fit into their universe and to avoid connecting with any one specific real-world culture) is done pretty well, I think.
Wikipedo
Wait, so drinking lots of Guinness and vomiting isn't the true St Paddy's Day celebration?
Cirq21
No, no, that’s still the true way to celebrate.
Lucallia
So who should I go to to actually get the original Christmas? You know the one that has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. As Chinese IDGAF if the Lunar New year is caricaturized. It's a time of celebration and if you actually want to be accurate it would take like 12 days Are you having fun and just wanted an excuse for festivities or a day off? Have at it! Unless the caricaturization is done from a place of malice and racism I don't care. If you want to be accurate that would be fun too.
BigBlueWonder
To answer the first question: Northern Europe. In particular what we now call the Nordic Countries.
DavidBrooker
This is a really odd reaction to 'learning is good'
NorthernWeirdo
The Lunar New Year is Saturday, February 10th for those interested in accepting his generous invitation.
browsererror
Thanks for that. I've been so homebound lately I keep missing "outside" events.
OwlFarm
Everybody Wang Chung tonight. - Wang Chung - Everybody Have Fun Tonight - https://youtu.be/BoXu6QmxpJE
geoffreyfourmyle
Okay, honest question: the song pronounced Wang using the A sound as in "clang" but in everyday life I've mostly heard ethnic Chinese (dunno any more specific than that) pronounce the name using A as in "ah", what the teachers called a short vowel sound when I was a kid.
How do we properly pronounce Andy's name?
OwlFarm
I dunno, man, brain see Wang name associated with party, brain say "Wang Chung!" and show me picture from Big Trouble in Little China.
geoffreyfourmyle
okay, fair answer 🤣
HoochIsCrazzy
Like how many people in the country have to celebrate it for it to be a country that celebrates Lunar New Year. I am sure there are plenty of immigrant families in the US that celebrate it.
Knifesmith
I had to go to my local credit union to withdraw some cash, and was given some little red envelopes. Pretty sure when the hispanic teller hands the half-japanese guy the accoutrements of a Chinese/southeast Asian holiday, we can consider that the locality celebrates it. (and no, I had to pay for a craigslist purchase, it wasn't a new years gift for GirlChild).
cantevenbewhenicantevenpee
Bro it’s just something racist say to thinly hide their racism. It’s what fuckholes do
VanessaBludgeons
Foxsayy
I hate (mostly) the "cultural appropriation" crap. Cultures are meant to be shared – styles, fashions, hats, sayings, holidays - heck, if we limited ourselves to "our culture" we'd have to argue if dreadlocks belong to Nords or Africans.
Idgaf if the Chinese want to celebrate Easter, Iran takes our booty shorts or men in Japan start wearing hijabs. A Bangladesh taco chain could appropriate Jesus Christ as their mascot for all I care.
Sharing "our own" culture hurts tribalism, and that's great.
twistedjoint
"America, the melting pot of the world." Where all cultures come together as one.
Except now people want to keep all the ingredients in the pot separate because we they either don't want their ingredients tainted by the "bad" ones, or they just want their own ingredient to be special.
HoochIsCrazzy
Long time ago I heard someone say America is not a "melting pot" it is more of a stew, where all the ingredients can retain their uniqueness but the combining them together produces a wonderful flavor
twistedjoint
I like that analogy
chut7
Many Canadian provinces celebrate a recently-created Family Day holiday in February. It coincides with Lunar New Year often enough that unofficially, many see it as a lunar new year holiday.
PerpetualExhaustion
Imagine being such an uptight twat that you feel you can gatekeep when and why people are allowed to throw parties.
ThatOtherTransGirl
The only one I have a problem with is gender reveal parties that involve combustibles/explosives. But that's obviously not an appropriation issue because I doubt we took that from anybody.
WardSharlow
Also, gatekeeping for like 2 billion people. It's hardly a secret rite at this point. Would be better to just say "carry a bunch of fivers in case you gotta give one to a dancing dragon"
endfreq
No shit. I celebrate what I want, bitch
prettypolitepangolin
Imagine the world falling apart and you deny anyone a reason to be happy for a few hours.
chunkstyle
Imagine gatekeeping THE MOON. Just despicable.
ToSisPoS
Heh he heh. “Bottom.”
SupposablyPersnickity
Wheres this year’s Wangapalooza?!
prfesser
PartsUnknown, Arkansas
wetqueef
2/10/24
snappysnaps
Turn left at Albuquerque
LeroyShabazAli
In my windowless van
HeadJamistan
Obligatory: Your mom's house.
JeanLucguizamos
What time is rock o clock?
BehGehBeeeehh
In my pants, every day, especially when the train rocks a certain way.
ObiHaiv
Fort Dix
toledontohinope
I believe it's actually referred to as a wang dang doodle.
heartlessninja6
I’m a Wang Dang Doodle Dandy.
ThatDirtyOldMan
So majestic !
quade
Lunar New Year is celebrated in cities all across the US, so I think I'm officially covered. But even still, THANK YOU Andy Wang!
dorklordsickus
Its covered because of Andy Wong's dedication to justice and perseverance in the face of pure evil!
Foxsayy
I hate (mostly) the "cultural appropriation" crap. Cultures are meant to be shared – styles, fashions, hats, sayings, holidays - heck, if we limited ourselves to "our culture" we'd have to argue if dreadlocks belong to Nords or Africans.
Idgaf if the Chinese want to celebrate Easter, Iran takes our booty shorts or men in Japan start wearing hijabs. A Bangladesh taco chain could appropriate Jesus Christ as their mascot for all I care.
Sharing "our own" culture hurts tribalism, and that's great.
PutItInNeutral
Cultural appropriation is when a culture's antiquities are stolen by another nation or making art derivative of another culture without giving credit. Learning about other cultures and participating in their practices is not cultural appropriation.
Lulabel73
I was buying some Chinese items in a thrift shop and a Chinese lady wanted to have a look at them. She then told me what region of China they were from etc. She asked if I was buying to resell and I said no I love all these and I have them in my home. She said you must have a beautiful home. (Also I’m so white my mum called me Casper)
differentstrokesfordifferentfthagn
It's difficult, because real cultural appropriation does happen often and it does cause real harm, mainly when it intersects with capitalism and affects people's ability to support themselves and their families, and also by reinforcing racist stereotypes.
That said, there is a strong trend on the internet to call any form of cultural exchange "cultural appropriation", which dilutes the term and makes it harder to call out actual instances of it happening.
mrleemur
And of someone who isn’t British wants to eat bland food, i’m fine with that too.
BrdCdn
God may look down upon your sins but I won't.
CliffWestern
The problem is people have a really piss poor understanding of what we're actually talking about when we say "cultural appropriation." The point should be to give insight and acknowledge the actual culture and to push back on BS claims people make when they are doing racist shit like the redskins use of head dressings. It's also helpful for when talking about things like rock and roll. The fact is black people invented rock and roll by every definition of the word. There are so many talented 1
Foxsayy
Responding to your whole comment chain here - I appreciate you assuming positive intent, I was sincere. I want to both ackwoledge that I am not familiar with that definition of cultural appropriation, and should probably learn more about it, and second, that "cultural appropriation" has come to be such common parlance, in the way that I used it, that there actually *needs* to be distinction between academic and common use, similar to how "critical race theory" is so misunderstood that the (1)
Foxsayy
common use, similar to how "critical race theory" is so misunderstood that the common use has diverged from its original meaning.
And I mean this even for well-intentioned, liberal, and often well-educated people. From day one, the first time I heard the term years and years ago, the Tumblrettes had grabbed onto cultural appropriation and used it like I did earlier. They meant well, but were misguided and it was more toxic than good. Another example is that I know subscribers to critical (2)
Foxsayy
race theory that insist only white people can be racist, conflating privilege and lack thereof with the ability to be racist.
Thus, I was speaking to the idea as commonly understood, and I realize after reading your comment that the fact that "cultural appropriation" has come to be understood as it is now is probably quite unfortunate as it muddies the water. (3/3)
CliffWestern
Black musicians that can get completely ignored when we talk about the creation of rock and roll. Meanwhile we talk about a lot of white people that we credit with the creation of rock and roll when the reality is virtually all of them just copied a black artist. THAT'S appropriation. Not the fact that white people started playing rock. The fact that it was black music and we jumped in and THEN we erased them from the history. It's annoying that we end up having the wrong conversations 2
Mairoa
A big reason it often applies to indigenous folks is because a lot of places with colonial roots outlawed those cultural practices and traditional dress until the dominant group thought it was "cool"and embraced it. In the US, it wasn't until 1978 that indigenous folks here had freedom of religion. Basically some chick at Woodstock could wear a headdress and be "cool" but it would be legal to punish someone from the culture it came from for wearing it for another 9 years.
Mairoa
The church I grew up in had us dress up as an indigenous stereotype for stuff. While the govt ran boarding schools to eradicate the culture we were badly mimicking. The point being that it's about context.
CliffWestern
Around this but it's also not surprising. This is actually kind of a complicated topic and a lot of people of color have experienced other people 'celebrating' their heritage in a way that doesn't actually do it any honor. So this is also a sensitive topic that can be wrapped into an individuals trauma. Also possible though that she was just high roading. We don't know but when it comes to a topic like this I prefer to assume positive intent. 3/3