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Sep 26, 2020 7:52 PM
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HeyOhBotchedToe
We could have such a nice country here. We have all the makings for it. But goddam human character defects muck it all up for everyone.
josephisalsoat
So if minimum wage is viable, maybe Congress should live off of it. And get the same healthcare plan as well.
walkerb82
I just want you all to know. I upvoted this form 666 to 667. You're welcome.
FilthyEarther
Talk about increasing wages, how about those pixels too while you’re at it!
Longbowgun
gaarashatan0360
its almost like we should stop bailing out corporations cause if they die they die, thats just how fucking capitalism works
jesterfortyeight
Privitize the gains, socialize the losses.
abitskeptical
The employees that lose their jobs, should they receive unemployment benefits?
RevengeIsIceCream
Most likely the company would declare bankruptcy, get restructured and bought out, and business would continue.
Purpl3y3s
Yes. See in most countries the costs of welfare programs are what encourage the gov to regulate & tax companies better.
Purpl3y3s
A high nationwide minwage & even higer casual rates in Australia hasn't caused sweeping unemployement.
Purpl3y3s
Our 2 biggest supermarket chains pay $20-$50 per hour with an 80% market share between them. Wallmart would go broke paying a living wage.
abitskeptical
Nice
gaarashatan0360
are employees a company that thrives on capitalism?
abitskeptical
With a non-answer like this I can already tell you don't want to have a reasonable conversation as I'd hoped. Thanks.
gaarashatan0360
for every article you link me of a company using bailouts to keep workers, pay better wages, or hire more. ill link you two of corruption
gaarashatan0360
where they lay people off and take the money for themselves
TheOvy
This was popularly understood for a good 40 years, and then our parents voted in Reagan and fucked things up. We've gotta get back on track.
SteveTheEgg
Yep Nixon fucked things up, but Reagan is were we completely lost it.
NoFather
it's hard to imagine a president from the 40s using the term spending cash. If this wasn't right wing propaganda it would be corporate.
TheOvy
He said it in 1933: http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html
onthe6ball
he also said social security should be out of the governments control by 1960. He didn't trust congress with the money. he was right.
IIBM
I think FDR was neat and cool
SoupEConch
Joe should plagiarize this speech next. It would be a good one.
LordNergal
Nah. This speech delivers the news about exactly why unemployment isn't working today: It required big business to be on board with it.
InDTangk
Australia’s minimum wage $20 per hour. CEO’s billions , investment bankers $30000 a minute. Extra $ for USA workers, “No can’t be done!”
brandem
Just remember if every minimum wage vote went Sen.McConnell’s way over the last 35 years it would still be 3.25.
eddbrowne
The US flirted with civilization a few times.
Fjorkvar
https://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2007-042.htm
brandem
https://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2005-26.htm, voted no on same raise 2 years earlier, but it wasn’t a change of heart
brandem
the party decided not to taint their brand right before an election on a vote that they would lose anyway
johnvictor
I think some people don't understand what it means when a company only pays a minimum wage. They'd pay you less if they could.
freckledkink
My first job paid $4.85 an hour. It was 10 cents over minimum wage. I was 16 and working at McDonald's.
freckledkink
Man, I'm old! I think that was federal minimum wage, too, before they changed it according to cost of living for certain areas.
OldMateClown
As a comparison, 15 years ago when I was 18 I worked at McDonalds in Australia and was paid $21 an hour.
freckledkink
This was in 1996, so 24 years ago.
OldMateClown
Yeah, still a crazy gap. Even after you factor in exchange rate/cost of living differences.
djaweed
Im in pa and a lot of my coworkers say that we should NOT have a minimum wage .... Somehow they think they will get more... Bunch of Moron
FalseLuck
Yeah it's definitely illegal immigrants being the cause. Not the people deciding that people need to make less money.
FalseLuck
That was sarcasm.
IlexLegion
I feel like that an alternative play to the Book of Morman where they show a country where Rs won every vote and the consequences thereof
keillrandor
It's called the DRC (Democratic Republic Of The Congo)
InsertNameHereIGuess
Lots of companies would pay 50 cents an hour if they legally could.
BloodRage4
They would actually pay?
DoctorBambu
Aren’t there prison laborers who make like 29 cents an hour?
Shamwowser
You're highballing them a bit
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
Of all places, PA should have a living memory of coal mining conditions and be a hotbed of labor organization.
deafmute
Also depends where in PA, remember outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia most of the state is boonie.
thescientists
Truth. Heck not far out of Pittsburgh and you are in the boonies
TheDairyPope
Depends on the industry. Walmart is so heavily anti-union, they will outright close a store if tries to unionize. I work for a grocer that's
TheDairyPope
based in NY (I'm in VA), and part of it's distribution warehouse is union, the rest isn't. Every employer I've had very carefully words a >
TheDairyPope
statement that isn't overtly anti-union, but leaves space in between the lines to let you know you're canned if you talk about it.
dragonherder
I actually saw something that put the actual wage we should be getting at "minimum" around 21+ if we actually took everything into account
dragonherder
that we did prior to the bastardizing after the 60's that happened.
macturlock
But wait... isn’t that a *socialist* idea?! The GOP told us so! Hur-de-dur-de-do, another hard cider for you
PimpinKen
You mean hard seltzer?
BadamWarlock
We lost the Cold War so hard that giving a shit about other people is Communism.
Illwillhills
I mean in the same speech he said the idea wouldn't work without industey cooperation to fix prices and be anti competition so yes.
lenomdeplume
He also took the US off the gold standard. That’s still being debated. Mostly by goldbugs, TBH.
HisDudness
That's not really socialist, just solid regulations put in place.
FoxySpirit
Which the founding fathers of the capitalist system insisted on because they knew about it's weaknesses. But nooooo, invisible hand etc etc
Talisign
The invisible hand works, so long as long term profits are considered, and not just short term. Good wages means better workers and turnover
HisDudness
It's almost like the founders were a bunch of wealthy business folks who knew higher economic theories that existed since before them.
wonttakno2
Any politician that has a chance of being elected will never buck the corporate overlords.......
whatpassesforclever
Insert “Republican” in front of politician, and you’d be correct.
wonttakno2
Corporate taxes have steadily declined over the past three decades.....no democrats during that time?...lol
whatpassesforclever
Lol, effective corporate tax rates dropped sharply under R pres, and rose slightly under D pres. Another ex
wonttakno2
Source please
whatpassesforclever
Show me yours and I’ll show you mine.
AgnesMcGillicuddy
Really? Someone better notify AOC
SephReed
We need them less and less.
finniss
I want to downvote this but you are correct. ?
firehawkcultist
The Justice Democrat movement is trying to get super pacs and money out of politics. People need to realize there's real positive options
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Ransbear
No point if superpacs and lobbyists still have legal corruption, that should be the first step.
BeACartoonGod
Iv lost faith in nething associated w/ the "d" name. But justice dems r still fighting th good fight. If we could only get nething passed
BeACartoonGod
If we start w/ ranked choice voting. We can public fund elections +ban $/bribes in politics. W/o that, the rich'll always win at our expense
Mostlydeadpool
unless they can afford to pay all of their campaign with their own money, they all have to bend the knee/kiss the ring
bobziIIa
Bernie had enough money. The rest of the party he needed to hitch to tho...
randomwalrus
Plenty of elected officials who have refused to take corporate donations of late.
Mostlydeadpool
Personally, I'm waiting for the fully funded grass roots internet candidate that finally does an end run around corp donations.
Sage042000
All of the justice democrats do that, including AOC
Velisity
Many companies base pay is $12 which still isn’t enough. Data jobs are $15, I was making $11 at Walgreens.
drdildamesh
Didn't FDR also say "What's up with a third and fourth term, fam?"
Camelspotting
At the time nothing was up.
Camelspotting
Well nothing official anyway.
Azawarau
Damn right. I remember arguing this with my first boss when I was 19 and hearing that a president had said it before me made me very happy
nikkilaurakevin365
When I bartended at YANKEE STADIUM I made $4.25 an hour
CapricornAngel
When I was a teenager in the 80’s, minimum wage was $3.35/hour and it had stayed that way for 8 years. Currently, it’s $11.00/hour.
mindstorm8191
$11/hr? It's still $7.25/hr here (in KY)
CapricornAngel
I am from New Jersey, the cost of living is pretty high here.
CapricornAngel
https://www.state.nj.us/labor/wagehour/content/childlabor_RateofPay.html
abitskeptical
Where
CapricornAngel
New Jersey, but property taxes are ridiculously high and rent is very expensive.
whatpassesforclever
Federal minimum wage is $7.25, not $11.00. Adjusting for inflation, $7.25 now is almost exactly $3.35 in 83-84; cost of living, meanwhile 1/
whatpassesforclever
2/ has increased by 260% since ‘83-‘84, AFTER inflation is taken into account. Your $3.35 in ‘84 had purchasing power of $18.85 in 2020 $$.
CapricornAngel
I am from New Jersey - https://www.state.nj.us/labor/wagehour/content/childlabor_RateofPay.html
CapricornAngel
Also, I made $3.35 in 1987, not sure if that matters much.
trailerparkboyzbubbles
Schadenfreuda
hschupalohs
In this economy?
soromon
TheGalosheen
To be fair, FDR was president a long time ago so the image is probably several decades old
AgainstMethod
Digital photos had lower resolution in the FDR administration.
DeltaBladeX
rigged33
mindstorm8191
Nice
Cryghton
Apparently yes, he has more of those pixels.
swordofblaze
Now we need the "do you got any more of those pixels" with full pixels and the caption "thanks for the pixels"
DeltaBladeX
SQLdragon
yet rent and food is not considered into the current equation. Rent is too damn high!
Poppthe1th
https://joebiden.com/
DelReyoX
What is this, a post for ants?
JaceCameron
Remember when the Alberta Premier axed the different min wage for under 18 and 30 years later the same party went "This is a good idea"
NessaAesyth
We have a minimum wage in NZ which is $18.90 as of this year. Pre-covid since they started increasing the minimum wage, our economic growth
NessaAesyth
halved, and our unemployment doubled. Businesses were not able to hire more staff to grow, and few were willing to risk the cost of training
NessaAesyth
up unexperienced staff. Sometimes it's better to ask why is the cost of living so high? rather than asking why are wages so low?
NessaAesyth
For us in NZ at least, the cost of living is so high, because of high sales taxes, high house prices, too much legislation, etc.
NessaAesyth
That being said, I don't agree with the argument that minimum wage shouldn't exist at all. Large businesses WILL take advantage of people.
fnordgasm5
I've always thought the minimum wage should be progressive. Bigger companies have to pay an increased minimum wage as they can afford it.
jbcars4life
Ppl against min wage increase ignore how expensive housing is. My "cheap" 1br apt is 1k/mo with utilities. Min wage pays 1.2k/mo before tax
SteveTheEgg
Im making $5 over min and am still $5/hr short of renting a studio.
LiteralFish
They don't though. They just think min wage workers deserve to be homeless. But better stay out of sight when they are.
jbcars4life
Yup, pretty much
VagisilToothpaste
Either that, or they're all supposed to be kids who are still living at home and don't have much in the way of debt or bills. It's such BS
Brando4027
That’s not what we are against.its about the strain it would put on our economy forcing employers to pay more when they might not be able to
Chair5768
If only employers didn't have to pay their employees, we could get unemployment down to 0%.
Brando4027
Lol
Brando4027
It’s basic economics
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Brando4027
Minimum wage is not made for living on tho it’s for you to start then go get a better job
Purpl3y3s
And how do you live while your "starting".
jbcars4life
The debate keeps going on and on about "what probably would happen" if min wage goes up vs "what is happening right now".
jbcars4life
What's happening right now is min wage workers are being strangled every month, every week, just to live. That's not life. That's torture.
beerisgood760
Purposely vague. What’s “decent”? Enough for that person alone? Or a “decent” wage for that person AND their family? How about ppl should be
beerisgood760
able to choose what they want to work for and for how much. If your employer disagrees then go somewhere else.
LiteralFish
Why do you think the labor movement happened? Because it's not that fucking simple when you have to always have a job to live.
SteelDragonKiryu
That hinges entirely on the idea that any employer would willingly pay an employee anything to begin with. If Walmart could get away with...
SteelDragonKiryu
it, they'd be paying every employee a single piece of stale bread. A year. The reason the minimum wage was established to begin with was...
SteelDragonKiryu
because 90% of employers were exploiting peoples desperation during the depression to pay them as little as possible. You seriously think...
SteelDragonKiryu
any company would happily agree to negotiate for anything more than the bare minimum, even if they could afford more? Could you also tell...