Jake Tapper, an hour ago playing with fire on CNN: "Ukraine should have never started it. So, the Ukraine should have never started the illegal invasion of the Ukraine?" (not an exact quote, but very close)
This will be standard stuff from the 2nd Trump admin, trying to rewrite history at every turn until it's been steamrolled into the public sphere's non-nuanced understanding of the given topic. The "just keep saying the lie" tactic that eventually sinks in as "the truth" with those who aren't interested enough to look at alternative sources of information.
You Americans need to get rid of this deranged Nazi. Immediately. Eight years ago would've been better but now USA is on the tipping point of being treated as the Free World's number one enemy.
He's basically repeating what the conspiracy theorists are saying that this was all a war of self-defense on Russia's part as Zielinski is a warmongering psychopath. There's a right wing nut shop at my work that said he would kill Zelinski with his bare hands if he could, and the guy's got zero skin in the game
It doesn't work for /some/ world leaders but the sound bite is out and it will deffinitely be used by russian propagandists and spread by their botnets on social media in EU countries to sway people into hating the alliance, their leaders, and Ukraine, but have sympathy for russia. It's disheartening how most people are ignorant and easy to manipulate with this shit...
I mean they got idiots to not believe their eyes about January 6th in like 5 days. ha! However, it plays great on Russian tv, and that's a big part of it as well. If youre getting angry about the war going on, it helps when the US president gets on tv and says that Ukraine started the whole thing. That's a solid sound bite. That's my guess at least ha
This has long been Putin's position. The war was the fault of the US and Ukraine and Russia had no choice in the matter because if they didn't invade Ukraine, Russia would magically cease to exist.
Who's going to impeach and remove him? The illegitimate Republicans control the government. The dems refuse to use the 14th and that window has likely passed.
Not going to happen. He has designed this presidency to a T. He is unstoppable and there is a terrible result when someone who feeds of power has unlimited power. He will no doubt be executed as a traitor once all the dust settles. The problem is the journey there will be tragic. We’re going to war no doubt.
We've already seen that even if this does happen, it wont amount to anything... US is on the road to eventual revolution, but I fear there may be years/decades of it getting worse before enough of the population realise they've screwed themselves over and it gets bad enough that this is the outcome
I think there will be a world war in less time than that, if Trump keeps it up. I'd like for the Americans to revolt first instead of dragging us all into it, but I don't have high hopes for that. They'll sit safe at home while their armed forces invade my country.
“He needs to be put out of our misery” I heard someone say. Whilst I deplore violence, I think in this case I’d make an exception. Trump is a danger to the entire planet.
So, Republicans would never allow it... even if he somehow was impeached, there aren't the 67 votes in the Senate... and he just wouldn't leave... and if he did leave, we would have the Nazi, JD Vance, rounding up all of us.
Vance would be preferable at this point. He's ideologically worse but he doesn't have the connections or charisma to just pick up where Trump leaves off. He wouldn't be able to do as much damage.
So yeah, they did that during his last term - twice. Then he got re-elected. Not sure impeachment matters at this point. What a fucked up time to be alive.
He was impeached by the House, but wasn’t convicted by the Senate because McConnell is as spineless as he is venal. Conviction would have made him ineligible to run again.
We promised to help defend them in this specific scenario. We've lost credibility on the world stage that we'll likely not recoup in any of our life times
We lost that in 2014 when russia totally didn’t annex crimea and we just threw sanctions we’ve failed Ukraine for 11 years this is just another layer to our embarrassment
Of course orange Mussolini despises Ukraine for not immediately turning over to show their belly to Putler. Cowards can’t stand anything more than the brave exposing just how weak they are
Fuck the mods I don't care anymore. He needs to die. Kill him. Take out his plane. I don't fucking care. I used to want him to have to suffer but he is causing too much damage, he just needs to be removed. Trump. Needs. To. Die.
What about the system, the 2/3rds of Americans that didn't vote to stop fascism and the sophisticated influence of adversarial nations causing discord?
Imalwaysready
Fuck this syphilitic moron.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
ABC video sauce: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-2nd-term-live-updates-white-house-employees/?id=118887140
gettinsquiggywitit
How *dare* Ukraine wish to remain independent! /s
bippityboppitybuttsex
Fuck him the dick.
WorstPostEver
REOJackwagon
OmFG https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-ukraine-should-never-have-started-it-remarks-war-russia-rcna192710
He actually said it
LoganRezonoff
what a clown
gtollie
Here some sauce for those curious https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-ukraine-should-never-have-started-it-remarks-war-russia-rcna192710
ongabonga
Jake Tapper, an hour ago playing with fire on CNN:
"Ukraine should have never started it. So, the Ukraine should have never started the illegal invasion of the Ukraine?" (not an exact quote, but very close)
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Ffs
LoitninStroik
Go Jake. Expose the stupidity as often as possible.
ongabonga
You can tell he's fed up and is trying with little comments. But there is not much he can do without risking his job.
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robotovat
This will be standard stuff from the 2nd Trump admin, trying to rewrite history at every turn until it's been steamrolled into the public sphere's non-nuanced understanding of the given topic. The "just keep saying the lie" tactic that eventually sinks in as "the truth" with those who aren't interested enough to look at alternative sources of information.
n3ckr0mantic
God he is just the worst person imagineable.
charondaboatman
What a worthless piece of shit.
Lovethesmelloftoastedsourdoughbread
Well there you have it folks. The stupidest thing said by anyone, ever.
cgt9803
What a fascist traitor. To hell with anybody who voted for this orange garbage bag.
shawnemack
Absolutely NO ONE is allowed to be surprised by this
HamAdvocate
Are you surprised that rapist is victim blaming?
livingonagiantfireball
I really hope that the otan memeber all leave and remake a new group without the usa a d have ukraine join
KleptoKea
You Americans need to get rid of this deranged Nazi. Immediately. Eight years ago would've been better but now USA is on the tipping point of being treated as the Free World's number one enemy.
Sebastopol140
Ukraine was wearing a short skirt.
witheredspoon
... just asking for it!
thebigbaka
He's basically repeating what the conspiracy theorists are saying that this was all a war of self-defense on Russia's part as Zielinski is a warmongering psychopath. There's a right wing nut shop at my work that said he would kill Zelinski with his bare hands if he could, and the guy's got zero skin in the game
orp0piru
His Ukraine policy is "the rape will be solved by leaving the penis in & everybody stop moving"
SaturnineCult
Vance is there to act like a voice of "reason" when Dump is demented far enough to not be useful, and they get rid of him.
YuckFuMaga
The liar rapist is lying? Can’t just let the orange fuck being a rapist, he’s also a liar rapist conman pile of dog shit
Goatfer
Trump is like some Bizarro version of what a President should be
eviloce
Jackpot7777777
EVERYTHING IS A RELATIONSHIP.
And with Republicans, it's an abusive relationship. "You got hit? You shouldn't have started it."
They don't even need to think about saying abusive shit, it flows out of them like water.
edasm
Thus I tagged it #itallstartedwhenhehitmeback!
polepolekaz
He’s such a Russian tool. Putin is playing him like a fiddle.
Rovylern
Johnsky
The fucking talks today... I think he's going to withdraw all US troops from eastern Europe and demand the rest of Nato do the same...
Artebudz
Next up, demands Finland leaves nato because poor russia is scared
MouseCheese1
The is what gaslighting has become - convincing people your agenda is right regardless of the truth. He is prolific at it, and it works for him.
Nalianna
It's super easy to gaslight people that are super-stupid.
PrincessWasabi
Yes terrific at it, one of the best people
SecretAgentSuperBooger
* Works for him with his cult. Not the rest of the world. At least, judging by their reaction since JD Vance's Munich foot bullet.
AxellTheDragon
It doesn't work for /some/ world leaders but the sound bite is out and it will deffinitely be used by russian propagandists and spread by their botnets on social media in EU countries to sway people into hating the alliance, their leaders, and Ukraine, but have sympathy for russia. It's disheartening how most people are ignorant and easy to manipulate with this shit...
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Yep. I'm sure it'll be all over Russian State TV too. That's what they do.
Mirrormancer
SecretAgentSuperBooger
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Does Trump think he's going to gaslight the world?
ElvisCatStello
I mean they got idiots to not believe their eyes about January 6th in like 5 days. ha! However, it plays great on Russian tv, and that's a big part of it as well. If youre getting angry about the war going on, it helps when the US president gets on tv and says that Ukraine started the whole thing. That's a solid sound bite. That's my guess at least ha
SecretAgentSuperBooger
That follows. Russia state TV loves to parade out American stooges.
johnnyrokit4
No just the dopes in this country.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Preaching to the choir is easy.
TheJuiceLoosener
Dunno. I saw Brexit, and the asswipe in Argentina, and it may be coming soon to a Canada or a Germany near you...
mckjm2
He'll try, fail, and then think he's succeeded because all his Yes Men said he succeeded.
PrincePiggo
As OP couldn't be bothered to provide any sauces - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/18/trump-blames-zelenskyy-ukraine-war-020517
duktayp
Possibly "rapist" and "34x convicted felon" was a Red Flag
SomeDetroitGuy
This has long been Putin's position. The war was the fault of the US and Ukraine and Russia had no choice in the matter because if they didn't invade Ukraine, Russia would magically cease to exist.
UncleRat
I look at him and think what the Italians did to Mussolini's head.
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
That event inspired the name of one of my favorite bands from the 80s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w25VgsZfiM
L1ttl3J1m
What about what the Libyans did to Gaddafi?
aussiedragonfruit
We can only hope
Dolenmorgul
Or the Romanians with Ceaucescu
Edgarflaps
This idiot needs to be impeached before he can do any more damage.
MechKelly
Been there, tried that. Impeachment won't work with congress in his pocket. He needs to be arrested and put in 24 hour isolation.
Cbouch4rd
Impeaching doesn’t work with him, criminal charges don’t work. Americans need to move on to the next logical step.
Tumescentpie
Who's going to impeach and remove him? The illegitimate Republicans control the government. The dems refuse to use the 14th and that window has likely passed.
Blessedbehest
Not going to happen. He has designed this presidency to a T. He is unstoppable and there is a terrible result when someone who feeds of power has unlimited power. He will no doubt be executed as a traitor once all the dust settles. The problem is the journey there will be tragic. We’re going to war no doubt.
historycat
Not going to happen. Even if impeached he won't need to present a defense. The Republicans in the senate won't ever remove him
AIisAbutnotI
The Senate would not convict him so impeachment is a joke. He proved that last time, twice!
Hexidimentional
He cannot lower my respect for the USA i'm afraid the damage is already complete.
PuckerScream
How about fucking impaled instead?
madvin
Like all mad kings, he must be definitively neutralized!
Base841
Third time's the charm, eh? We can hope.
Gameshow
"impeached"
throwawaygizmo
He won't be, because the American people in their wisdom decided that spineless Republicans should control the House.
sheatarco
Hanged or guillotined. The only way to save our country.
KleptoKea
He's already been twice impeached. It apparently does nothing in USA. Americans need to get RID of this Nazi.
VitaminJay
That keeps happening but no one is grabbing him by the scruff of his flabby neck and physically throwing him out.
veesee
Impeachment. Means. Nothing. Stop hiding behind this
2774
A third time?
Charge him with Article 3 section 3 treason.
Imalwaysready
By who? His party controls every branch of government.
Skywatcher16
impeachment, if it happens, it a minimum 2 years away. and only if the house and senate see significant swings toward democratic power.
LeekofLegend
He needs to die.
Doingtheneedful
We've already seen that even if this does happen, it wont amount to anything... US is on the road to eventual revolution, but I fear there may be years/decades of it getting worse before enough of the population realise they've screwed themselves over and it gets bad enough that this is the outcome
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I think there will be a world war in less time than that, if Trump keeps it up. I'd like for the Americans to revolt first instead of dragging us all into it, but I don't have high hopes for that. They'll sit safe at home while their armed forces invade my country.
azzabat
“He needs to be put out of our misery” I heard someone say. Whilst I deplore violence, I think in this case I’d make an exception. Trump is a danger to the entire planet.
db629
impeachment would do absolutely nothing. However…
Like2Fox
Impeachment is not a process that does anything of value.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Only because the GOP refuses to convict him. If they weren't spineless pieces of shit, he'd have been removed the first time. Now we have this.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
It would if a partisan Senate did their job of checks and balances against the executive branch
PeebRow
The idiot needs to be off'd immediately. Don't care about Vance, he'll spiral and burn, he has no support.
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, Republicans would never allow it... even if he somehow was impeached, there aren't the 67 votes in the Senate... and he just wouldn't leave... and if he did leave, we would have the Nazi, JD Vance, rounding up all of us.
ssjalhazred
Vance would be preferable at this point. He's ideologically worse but he doesn't have the connections or charisma to just pick up where Trump leaves off. He wouldn't be able to do as much damage.
bippityboppitybuttsex
You are suggesting handing a weasel absolute immunity.... a man who is now an open Nazi.
omnifella
So yeah, they did that during his last term - twice. Then he got re-elected. Not sure impeachment matters at this point. What a fucked up time to be alive.
BlazeMarshall
And Trump had LESS power then than he does now.
YouMayFindThisMildlyInteresting
He was impeached by the House, but wasn’t convicted by the Senate because McConnell is as spineless as he is venal. Conviction would have made him ineligible to run again.
PerthAussieMike
He is blaming Ukraine for not surrendering their country to Putin on day 1. * sigh *
saucenes5
We promised to help defend them in this specific scenario. We've lost credibility on the world stage that we'll likely not recoup in any of our life times
imaynotbeasmartmanjenny
We lost that in 2014 when russia totally didn’t annex crimea and we just threw sanctions we’ve failed Ukraine for 11 years this is just another layer to our embarrassment
xmaneds
yes, but the point here is that trump is a rapist; trump was adjudicated in civil court to be civilly liable for rape
Conqueeftadore
Of course orange Mussolini despises Ukraine for not immediately turning over to show their belly to Putler. Cowards can’t stand anything more than the brave exposing just how weak they are
SecretAgentSuperBooger
LeekofLegend
Fuck the mods I don't care anymore. He needs to die. Kill him. Take out his plane. I don't fucking care. I used to want him to have to suffer but he is causing too much damage, he just needs to be removed. Trump. Needs. To. Die.
polepolekaz
The rot is beyond Trump. His cabinet, Musk, Miller, the GOP, everybody is supporting and enabling.
JeSuisIvre
You're right. I am so fucking angry.
Grenateh
And everyone he's ever met too.
eiger3970
What about the system, the 2/3rds of Americans that didn't vote to stop fascism and the sophisticated influence of adversarial nations causing discord?
Grenateh
Weird way to frame it. Over 100 million people didn't vote. That's not exactly the same as "voting for" what's happening. It's technically different.
eiger3970
1930’s Germans 2.0. 1/3 voted for reason, 1/3 voted for nazis and 1/3 didn’t vote.