I prefer local unionized guys because when that was the case, they took all the garbage. None of this one bin only bullshit. Had the family over for a party or holiday dinner? Fuck you and hold that waste and disease for an extra week.
As the saying goes; better that a thousand guilty men go free than a single innocent man be convicted.
If ensuring that no single person ever goes hungry results in a couple of people making money they don't deserve, I am STILL going to support it. Especially since we're currently doing the worst of both worlds - we're letting people go hungry AND funneling unearned wealth into the pockets of people who don't deserve it.
Sadly the conservative mindset is such that the purpose of the law is not justice but punishment. A thousand innocent men going punished to ensure one guilty man doesn't escape punishment just means the system is working overtime, not that the system is broken, in their minds.
Especially as they feel that the punishment system acts as a discouragement to crime; those thousand innocent punished people serve a purpose, in their mind, rather than being a travesty of injustice.
Absolutely. The techs that work for me make crazy money, will get mad if I ask them to do one thing 7 hours into our shift, and actively slow things down while complaining (I ask them to unplug two cables and plug them back in, they will do it wrong, ask why, say they'll do it then just not move, or any number of other fun stuff) and I'm 100% pro union. People being represented is essential.
I just looked it up, and there are over 63k garbage workers in the USA. So making 150k each, would be equivalent to a billionaire worth less than $10 billion dollars
Billionaires could make the world not poor and able to live in comfort if they wanted to. They don't. They shouldn't exist. They scam the system all the time but when a "poor person" does it suddenly its bad. Fuck the system, scam the hell out of them.
Sociology - which is what this is - often reduces to statistics. As in "what percentage of union members need to be do-nothing moochers and/or overpaid before it equals or surpasses the societal and economic damage of ALL workers being un-unionized, grossly underpaid, overworked, and in unsafe, unregulated workplaces?"
It's the same principle as "Innocent Until Proven Guilty." You get a better overall result letting a percentage of criminals skate as the price of ensuring ZERO >
innocent people are punished, than you do trying (and inevitably failing) to prosecute 100% of criminals and necessarily also hurting a bunch of innocents in the process.
Also applies to social welfare / assistance programs in terms of waste and/or fraud (given even a token attempt to eliminate them). You get a better overall result accepting a small amount of waste & fraud as the price to ensure as many needy people get help as possible.
in Germany practically all work is unionized ... salary negotiations every year are done by the unions with regular strikes to increase pressure ... practically everybody is paid by union standards ... Germany has 212 billionaires, ranking it fourth in the world on the country billionaire list ... best known are the founders of LIDL and ALDI
A union is protecting my friend as we speak. She used listenine mouthwash the day they did random breathalyzer at her work (a manufacturing plant). The test came back .48 BAC, that's pass out drunk level, and she's now on suspension. Her union has been fighting for her since at that BAC you'd not be coherent.
And yes, listerine and any other mouthwash that uses alcohol can cause a false positive on breathalyzer. People on house arrest have been falsely arrested and taken into custody over this.
"YES BITCH. FOR A WORLD TO EXIST THAT ALLOWS CHILDREN TO STARVE TO DEATH OR ADULTS DIE FROM PREVENTABLE DISEASES SO A FAMILY CAN BE RICHER THAN GOD IS MADDENING"
I don't hate them because they're rich. I hate them because of how they got rich, what they do with their money, and because the entirety of our political system is based around ensuring that they get richer and more powerful every year.
I saw this thing a few years back talking about work and output where they quantatively analyzed today vs. 50-100 years ago and someone working a single day in the modern economy generates the same output to return as it took someone from the 50's to generate in a month.
The wealth growth of the billionaires over the past decade was what, hundreds of billions of dollars? Literal trillions? For $100 billion, you could pay a hundred thousand individuals 100K per year for that same decade just to sit on their arse, and it would still be better for the economy because most of that money would be spent.
Thank you. I was about to do the math myself. Also I would note that, because of the lack of a singular individual having that much money, you wouldn't see people purchasing extremely expensive and harmful things. No $500,000,000 yachts, for instance.
There will always be, however small, amount of people abusing any support system. I would still rather them scam the systems than the alternate of those systems not existing.
And honestly, even if they would get a job otherwise, are those gonna be the kind of people you want to work with? The kinda who'll do whatever they can to avoid work?
The notion that unions protect people not doing their job is wild to me - I'm in a country with a fairly good Union rights and a fair few national level ones that have been around in one form or another for a century or so and even then the abusers don't last long. That's the thing about a union - it works both ways and if you're fucking the union over it won't end well for you.
Also there is a huge diffrence between 10.000 on the lower end scamming the system for a extra 500-1000 usd a month (total 5-10 million) vs 10 at the top scamming it for 2 million each a month (or about 20 milion... and thats a lower estimate)
I remember some place testing people on unemployment for drugs. It was found after than the costs of testing them was higher than the money saved from not paying the people on drugs.
"Here's a valuable social safety net that less than 5% of the recipients tend to abuse for, at best, modest personal benefit..." MAGA: "Shut it down!!!! Immediately!!!" "Ok, now here's our rigged two-party political system which the overwhelming majority of the participants regularly abuse for immense personal benefit at the expense of the entire population..." MAGA: "Whoa there, you trans commie antifa Nazi! Why do you hate FREEDOM?!?!?!? [sound of gunfire & bald eagle screech]"
The logical progression of this line of thinking is that we should have no laws at all, because someone somewhere will break the law. Conservatives engage in absurdist thinking.
We've already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that civilization can persist in the face of gross misconduct and injustice. So, why then would these foundations of self fulfillment, safety and subsistence, suddenly cause it to collapse? Ah right because "socialism is evil and we're still riding the afterglow of Reagan getting to yell about a wall" I Guess.
The billionares have been the ones abusing the god damn system and it has allowed them enough wealth to buy up most of the media so that they can distract us from that fact by pointing the finger instead at immigrants, poor people, gay and Trans folks, the black and Latino population and just about any group that isn't dumb, straight, white, parriarchal,"anti-christian" Christians.
Democrats will give benefits to 100 people even though only one person really needs them while Republicans will withhold benefit from 100 people because one person might abuse them.
This is pretty silly even by imgur standards. Just imagine the utopia we'd be in if garbage never got picked up, but the people paid to pick up garbage made $150k per year. Just as long as it means no person runs a business that provides enough value to enough people that said business is valued at more than a billion dollars. Sounds like heaven.
Pure ignorance, right? Thinking the negative ramifications of billionaires existing are infinitesimal as compared to a non-functional waste management program. Don't reproduce.
"Don't reproduce"? Oooohhh, adding eugenics to your repertoire. How classy! Regardless, I don't have gonads so reproduction isn't really an option for me.
Yeah, you keep defending the people who steal other's work and don't do anything useful themselves! Someday, surely, they'll see your continuous defense of them and care to feed you some peanuts or something while you dance for them. The dream! /s
Clever. So I can assume you're one of the people that think the world would be better if garbage men didn't do their jobs? And while I appreciate the financial advice, I don't foresee any time in which I will need to fellate someone with more money than me. My position is ... secure.
wandermanspacebot
Typical X. Let's make up a ridiculous argument, no one is making and then destroy it. Your modern internet, ladies and gentlemen.
Banzai51
I prefer local unionized guys because when that was the case, they took all the garbage. None of this one bin only bullshit. Had the family over for a party or holiday dinner? Fuck you and hold that waste and disease for an extra week.
FaecalJacksonPollock
I mean, the richest bastard in the world also does nothing but tweet all day and rake in free money.
slopwizard
He does also attend events to perform sieg heils but basically yeah
turtle20314
BURRRRRNNNN
INeverReadTheTOS
As the saying goes; better that a thousand guilty men go free than a single innocent man be convicted.
If ensuring that no single person ever goes hungry results in a couple of people making money they don't deserve, I am STILL going to support it. Especially since we're currently doing the worst of both worlds - we're letting people go hungry AND funneling unearned wealth into the pockets of people who don't deserve it.
WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyFox
Sadly the conservative mindset is such that the purpose of the law is not justice but punishment. A thousand innocent men going punished to ensure one guilty man doesn't escape punishment just means the system is working overtime, not that the system is broken, in their minds.
Especially as they feel that the punishment system acts as a discouragement to crime; those thousand innocent punished people serve a purpose, in their mind, rather than being a travesty of injustice.
SirLurkAndSmirkAndSometimesSnark
Somewhere in between but bro is probably spending a bunch of money on Amazon in those empty hours.
yourbassist
Won't somebody think of the trillionaire
mcneelyj
Same rationale for the need of UBI. Especially as jobs that pay living wages disappear.
MacTually
Is it just me?
I'd kind of prefer everyone being overpaid becoming a national problem than lets just avoid that at all because it could be a problem.
They lied when they said there weren't stupid questions.
applesforjuice
Absolutely. The techs that work for me make crazy money, will get mad if I ask them to do one thing 7 hours into our shift, and actively slow things down while complaining (I ask them to unplug two cables and plug them back in, they will do it wrong, ask why, say they'll do it then just not move, or any number of other fun stuff) and I'm 100% pro union. People being represented is essential.
TheDudeanator
It would take over 6600 garbage workers, making 150k to equal a billionaire worth only 1 billion dollars.
TheDudeanator
I just looked it up, and there are over 63k garbage workers in the USA. So making 150k each, would be equivalent to a billionaire worth less than $10 billion dollars
urusername2
Absolutely, because they will work when the work is available, billionaires don't work, except to suck the blood out of the economy.
Hatsodoom
Billionaires could make the world not poor and able to live in comfort if they wanted to. They don't. They shouldn't exist. They scam the system all the time but when a "poor person" does it suddenly its bad. Fuck the system, scam the hell out of them.
nyarlathotep777
The union can straighten out those who make them look bad by not doing their job much more effectively than the employer ever could.
or0b0ur0s
Sociology - which is what this is - often reduces to statistics. As in "what percentage of union members need to be do-nothing moochers and/or overpaid before it equals or surpasses the societal and economic damage of ALL workers being un-unionized, grossly underpaid, overworked, and in unsafe, unregulated workplaces?"
It's the same principle as "Innocent Until Proven Guilty." You get a better overall result letting a percentage of criminals skate as the price of ensuring ZERO >
or0b0ur0s
innocent people are punished, than you do trying (and inevitably failing) to prosecute 100% of criminals and necessarily also hurting a bunch of innocents in the process.
Also applies to social welfare / assistance programs in terms of waste and/or fraud (given even a token attempt to eliminate them). You get a better overall result accepting a small amount of waste & fraud as the price to ensure as many needy people get help as possible.
UnlimitedTrickPony
in Germany practically all work is unionized ... salary negotiations every year are done by the unions with regular strikes to increase pressure ... practically everybody is paid by union standards ... Germany has 212 billionaires, ranking it fourth in the world on the country billionaire list ... best known are the founders of LIDL and ALDI
Imadethisaccounttopost
A union is protecting my friend as we speak.
She used listenine mouthwash the day they did random breathalyzer at her work (a manufacturing plant).
The test came back .48 BAC, that's pass out drunk level, and she's now on suspension. Her union has been fighting for her since at that BAC you'd not be coherent.
Imadethisaccounttopost
And yes, listerine and any other mouthwash that uses alcohol can cause a false positive on breathalyzer.
People on house arrest have been falsely arrested and taken into custody over this.
ImJustHereAtThisPoint
"you just hate them because they're rich"
"YES BITCH. FOR A WORLD TO EXIST THAT ALLOWS CHILDREN TO STARVE TO DEATH OR ADULTS DIE FROM PREVENTABLE DISEASES SO A FAMILY CAN BE RICHER THAN GOD IS MADDENING"
ginalynn8942
FlatPlutoSociety
I don't hate them because they're rich. I hate them because of how they got rich, what they do with their money, and because the entirety of our political system is based around ensuring that they get richer and more powerful every year.
TheDefective
ThisGuyPostingThings
So help out those barely doing anything but not getting a lot rather than those doing little (or making things worse) and getting a ton? Yep
Filanwizard
Unions protect the hard worker as well just remember that.
Unions and labor laws protect the owners from kinetic actions by providing a table for both to come discuss issues at.
JohnSmithterms
Servo87
I saw this thing a few years back talking about work and output where they quantatively analyzed today vs. 50-100 years ago and someone working a single day in the modern economy generates the same output to return as it took someone from the 50's to generate in a month.
Ivain
The wealth growth of the billionaires over the past decade was what, hundreds of billions of dollars? Literal trillions? For $100 billion, you could pay a hundred thousand individuals 100K per year for that same decade just to sit on their arse, and it would still be better for the economy because most of that money would be spent.
ArkoneAxon
Thank you. I was about to do the math myself. Also I would note that, because of the lack of a singular individual having that much money, you wouldn't see people purchasing extremely expensive and harmful things. No $500,000,000 yachts, for instance.
TheDefective
wrxnefx182
Ronald Regan the actor ?
TheDefective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WfgGDkWzYU - Everything Bad Is Ronald Reagan's Fault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5eTGbxJxl0 - How Ronald Reagan Gave Us Donald Trump
micicle
Ronald Reagan the devil
SpottedDickSandwich
There will always be, however small, amount of people abusing any support system. I would still rather them scam the systems than the alternate of those systems not existing.
mirhagk
And honestly, even if they would get a job otherwise, are those gonna be the kind of people you want to work with? The kinda who'll do whatever they can to avoid work?
diemajorthrilldie
The notion that unions protect people not doing their job is wild to me - I'm in a country with a fairly good Union rights and a fair few national level ones that have been around in one form or another for a century or so and even then the abusers don't last long. That's the thing about a union - it works both ways and if you're fucking the union over it won't end well for you.
ZackWester
Also there is a huge diffrence between 10.000 on the lower end scamming the system for a extra 500-1000 usd a month (total 5-10 million) vs 10 at the top scamming it for 2 million each a month (or about 20 milion... and thats a lower estimate)
AllBent
Rick Scott has entered the chat.
Xenarion
I remember some place testing people on unemployment for drugs. It was found after than the costs of testing them was higher than the money saved from not paying the people on drugs.
PennysWorthOfTea
"Here's a valuable social safety net that less than 5% of the recipients tend to abuse for, at best, modest personal benefit..."
MAGA: "Shut it down!!!! Immediately!!!"
"Ok, now here's our rigged two-party political system which the overwhelming majority of the participants regularly abuse for immense personal benefit at the expense of the entire population..."
MAGA: "Whoa there, you trans commie antifa Nazi! Why do you hate FREEDOM?!?!?!? [sound of gunfire & bald eagle screech]"
SedatedSl0th
There will always be abusers of the system. This does not mean we should eliminate the system. Goddamn right.
devolutionary
The logical progression of this line of thinking is that we should have no laws at all, because someone somewhere will break the law. Conservatives engage in absurdist thinking.
mrbadxampl
I'd prefer the poor people abusing the system to help themselves improve their standard of living as opposed to the richest people doing it
BMANN
We've already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that civilization can persist in the face of gross misconduct and injustice. So, why then would these foundations of self fulfillment, safety and subsistence, suddenly cause it to collapse? Ah right because "socialism is evil and we're still riding the afterglow of Reagan getting to yell about a wall" I Guess.
bourbonandbaddecisions
I’ve worked union jobs the majority of my career. I’d always take a union job over non union.
BHPaperstacks
The billionares have been the ones abusing the god damn system and it has allowed them enough wealth to buy up most of the media so that they can distract us from that fact by pointing the finger instead at immigrants, poor people, gay and Trans folks, the black and Latino population and just about any group that isn't dumb, straight, white, parriarchal,"anti-christian" Christians.
Shoutrr
and turns out the ones abusing it are systematically the ones claiming it's bad to have such a system because people would abuse it
Goldensands
A culture that worships wealth, fame, stupidity and itself will always be led by filth. Drumpf is a symptom, not the disease.
SpottedDickSandwich
Very often, yes.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
It's 'cause there's only like 1 to 2 percent abusing them, at most... :(
420supercoolusername69
There’s an old saying (I’m gonna butcher this)
Democrats will give benefits to 100 people even though only one person really needs them while Republicans will withhold benefit from 100 people because one person might abuse them.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
And it's a dogshit saying, too. Dem's would restrict if they thought 3 might abuse. :/
SolusEmsu
The most key word there being "because one person *MIGHT* abuse them." .. Not that anyone actually, is. Republicans fear hypothetical unreal things.
Comet260
They literally make up things to get angry at. It's why discourse with them is USELESS.
HowManyDicksWouldaDickbuttButtIfaDickbuttCouldButtDicks
This is pretty silly even by imgur standards. Just imagine the utopia we'd be in if garbage never got picked up, but the people paid to pick up garbage made $150k per year. Just as long as it means no person runs a business that provides enough value to enough people that said business is valued at more than a billion dollars. Sounds like heaven.
PennysWorthOfTea
Wow, you're just on a roll with ignorant bad takes!
HowManyDicksWouldaDickbuttButtIfaDickbuttCouldButtDicks
Pure ignorance, right? Thinking the negative ramifications of billionaires existing are infinitesimal as compared to a non-functional waste management program. Don't reproduce.
PennysWorthOfTea
"Don't reproduce"? Oooohhh, adding eugenics to your repertoire. How classy! Regardless, I don't have gonads so reproduction isn't really an option for me.
HowManyDicksWouldaDickbuttButtIfaDickbuttCouldButtDicks
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1eGdnaDJpcmZ0ZW83ZDNza2g2emswbXBubTIzb3dyODV4anptcnVyOCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/xVpUhR49z4F14vWJZ5/200w.webp
Jarjarthejedi
Yeah, you keep defending the people who steal other's work and don't do anything useful themselves! Someday, surely, they'll see your continuous defense of them and care to feed you some peanuts or something while you dance for them. The dream! /s
nevernotsure
What a moronic take. Congrats.
Subsound
No matter how hard you suck that rich person dick, they arent going to start swinging money uour way brah.
HowManyDicksWouldaDickbuttButtIfaDickbuttCouldButtDicks
Clever. So I can assume you're one of the people that think the world would be better if garbage men didn't do their jobs? And while I appreciate the financial advice, I don't foresee any time in which I will need to fellate someone with more money than me. My position is ... secure.
Subsound
I just dont see any reason to take a Reductio ad absurdum on a different platform not directed at you so personally it causes such rage.
Anyone wealthy enough to be secure wouldnt care.
HowManyDicksWouldaDickbuttButtIfaDickbuttCouldButtDicks
Rage? Are you referring to when I called the subject matter silly? Or when I denied the necessity of fellating someone for financial security?
Subsound
Just seems like small man's syndrome, with finances instead of height.