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The rules will apply to nearly all Portuguese businesses (10+ employees). Parents of younger children will also be able to work from home without arranging it with their manager. It's a big step forward to protect workers' rights and create work-life balance.
sauce: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/11/10/portugal-law-bans-boss-contact-employees-after-work-hours/6367092001/
Richter12x2
Portugal also has a Golden Visa program, for anyone interested in moving there.
bourbonandbaddecisions
It’s the reason I turn my phone off the min I’m off work and why I have an auto response set up in my email during off work hours.
LiterallyLordSatan
How is this going to affect the employer/secretary extracurricular activities though?
Lichelf
They call instead, it leaves fewer tracks anyway. Or maybe they both log on to Runescape and send messages from there.
zynthesis
Portugal has been ahead of the curve on a lot of social issues in the past 20ish years. They also decriminalized *ALL* narcotics
EMHPicardo
(Sarcasm) A law protecting the worker's rights‽ That's just
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
You don't get to be a Billionaire if you treat your vot... workers properly.
Nlchacon
You got to keep the parasites at Bay.
WireHairLongDoggie
Meanwhile some American states are repealing child labor laws to get 14yo's to work until 11 on school nights, to fill low paying jobs
FelixTheAnimator
I've been learning Portoguese for the last year.
sometwatstolemyusername
"hey just wanted to know if you can come in tomorrow.... Oh hold on a sec, police are arresting me for asking you that"
NomadUniverse
Have they covered all the loopholes though? I can imagine getting around it with something as simple as putting them on call.
rbudrick
This kind of law would "force" US companies to make employees sleep and live on site or make work from home the same.
Dvicemuse
Not trying to be an apologist for corporations, but my increased electricity bill doesn’t compare to the cost of driving to work every day
Dvicemuse
Plus in California at least, I get a tax credit for working from home to offset said expenses
Fedotia
Look at the gasoil price in €/L and realize ya'll have massive subsides.
itsrainingbears
Can an international company say that no one can work from Portugal or can their remote workers just move there and get the benefits?
redditmcredditface
"Parents of younger children will also be able to work from home without arranging it with their manager." Im in IT... Uh what.
redditmcredditface
im all for this, but give a guy a heads up.
titaniumsnail
You would obviously have to tell your colleagues/boss. It's just that they can't stop you unless your work especially requires you in person
ColonelColon
As in You don't have to ask/negotiate with your manager, you just tell them "I'm working from home."
TireeRunner
My boss can text or call me all he wants after hours... I'm just never going to acknowledge said communications
Scallion420
I’m sick of Sunday evening work emails ffs. Every goddamn Sunday as late as 11pm!
niknights
Yeah especially if that can be automated to be sent... on Monday at 5 am.
phuzz00
I enjoy those "it's a big emergency" emails, because I can reply "Ok, I'll have a look on Monday", and imagine their tears.
canadianreserve
if my boss calls or texts me, I say "we should talk about it on monday". If they don't respect that, time to drop resumes.
testecull
I just don't answer at all. I'm off the clock don't bug me.
testecull
Good. Now bring it over here too. US has been needing this shit for decades.
testecull
I mean I already won't answer my phone off the clock, but I'd be able to point to a law if they bitched.
HoneyBadgersAreBadAsses
Portugal is pretty advanced on a lot of things, including government automation. I renewed my driver’s license by clicking a few links.
HoneyBadgersAreBadAsses
Automatic tolls were invented in Portugal 20 years ago, and we are exporting it to the US and to other countries. Life is cheap, health care
HoneyBadgersAreBadAsses
Is free, medicines are cheap (compared to the US) and are partially paid by the government, criminality is ultra low, drug users are not
dreikommavierzehn
I like Portugal a lot. But I didn't get any impression of low crime in Lisbon, especially with how little officers are paid
HoneyBadgersAreBadAsses
Arrested, but treated, drug trafficking is relatively low, drug related crimes are very low.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Sounds like communism, better call the CIA to start assassinating people for freedom!
BurlRavenscroft
You ever get an IM from your manager to come back in? That fuckin' suuuucks
frozencloud
People normally answer their work phone outside of work hours? Just say you were asleep. :/
testecull
Not all of us have a work phone. In fact most of us don't.
frozencloud
screen all calls that are unknown numbers?
phuzz00
Nah, add your boss as a contact, and then auto-block them.
rodrigosanchez
Why the fuck did you give your boss your cell phone number? If they need to call you, they can provide you a phone.
skyhoshi
What's markiplier going to do?
FrolickingFrolicking
A lot of Western Europe actually has a functioning government and political will to enforce good things. USA is a nightmare
18Skiffbug
Not to shit on your parade, but Portugal has nothing like a functioning government.
FrolickingFrolicking
OP proves they do, specifically because a law was passed that actually benefits regular people instead of business power. Also, EU regs
Kamica
We can only call it functional 'cause so many countries put the bar so low =P. I mean, Belgium makes a habit of not having a government =P.
Kamica
(They can take months, or even the better part of a year deciding on who's going to be in the government coalition =P.)
schlummi
Belgia was afaik 600 days without a government in 2020.
Dontstopbelever2000ismyfavoritesoap
Dude we've been like, 40 years without over here. help
Grenateh
Must be nice to live in a nice country
Treblaine
Higher internet bills? Aren't most internet plans effectively unlimited these days?
kellyxx
Some places you need a higher tier service for unlimited. You pay extra for that.
jotchy
If you’re OK with taking crap from your company,demand them calling you is on the clock.Won’t pay much but usually means paperwork for them
jotchy
There’s a lot of laws in the USA that should theoretically make a decent work environment, but nobody keeps check, so we’re well below par
18Skiffbug
They also have a law stipulating that a company has to pay any employee overtime, and their manager needs to approve overtime. About 0% comp
kimmie71490
I’ve told my bosses and coworkers not to text outside of work for anything. There’s nothing within my job description that will have after
kimmie71490
After hours emergencies
SpartaWolf117
I mean, I get not being able to harass workers 24/7, but what if it's something important?
Chandos212
There are certainly times I don't mind getting contacted outside reg. hrs. But it needs to be stated and not become an overwhelming problem
JeffGodofBiscuits
I imagine it's the type of thing that would be specified in the contract, such as "on call" hours
allthenamesaregone
Then you pay them for being on-call.
oldsweaty
allthenamesaregone
As the saying goes; "A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."
HorseMcFucker
Define important so I can actually give an example.
neverpostsoriginalcontent
I'm a web developer. I deployed a giant-ass bug that shut down the site. I leave for the day. I don't have previously defined on-call hours.
neverpostsoriginalcontent
fwiw, I'm all for the law, just figured I'd contrive an example ;)
HorseMcFucker
You don't have a second developer or quality assurance/bugtesters? Mitigate potential faults in the system or pay your guy to work off-hour.
RyanMcFlyin
It’s never ever that important. Ever.
mattkins99
Ya, that changed you pushed into prod earlier today took AWS/Azure/Google down… ya like half the internet… yes Imgur too… Can you come in?
SpartaWolf117
'One of the machines broke down on night shift, and we have to ship X tomorrow. Can you come in early tomorrow to help?' Kind of important
Yashvk
And I would say if thats important the manager/s and owners can get there to do it or pay me OT.
BarryTheCyborg
It's called redundancy. If you only have one machine for a job or didn't allow any flexibility in scheduling, you're committed to failure.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
That does not qualify as important. If someone isn't dead or about to die, it's not that important.
Colopty
And if that's the scenario they should call an ambulance, not you.
Kronzor
You don’t HAVE to ship X tomorrow. Your company might want to. And might even incurr financial penelty if they don’t. But they don’t HAVE to
HiddenSanity
Then ask the night repairman, or pay them for being on-call.
Jordinatinglybeautiful
The business ought to plan a contingency for a machine breakdown. A standby/call rota with pay supplement is the norm. Also quite important.
DVSBSTrD
Its amazing what you can do when the South isn't holding you back.
gbuck55
What an ignorant take. But, it takes all kinds, I suppose. So even ignorant people have a right to display their ignorance.
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gbuck55
Typical Democrat logic: you “let me” post here, as if you hold authority. That’s the core problem with democrats- authoritarian tendencies.
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gbuck55
You have no authority over fellow citizens. You still can’t grasp that. Democracy is messy. Deal with it.
tr26
I’d argue that NC is more progressive than Wyoming, Idaho, or Utah.
DVSBSTrD
Afghanistan is more progressive than Utah.
DrainingSideEffectsOfRestlessSleep
or TX, FL, AR, GA, MS, LA, OK, etc.
a1b3117
By South you really mean Republicans
haadyy
Not Portuguese but Porto is much cooler than Lisboa. Lisboa is cool too, but Porto is dope. Also a lot of European countries can tell you
haadyy
That the Souths are keeping our Norths down too. Only a few exceptions out there...
FlatPlutoSociety
It's not just the South. California and Washington are full of companies that lobby incredibly hard for wildly anti-labor laws.
N0tDave
It’s mainly the south, sure, but the Midwest has gone to shit over the last decade too.
mrthewhitee
This isn't a north south issue. Plenty of people of power all over the country don't want this kind of protection in the US.
DVSBSTrD
You keep thinking that. Won't make it true, but it obviously makes you happy to believe it.
mrthewhitee
Project much? I'm sorry if the truth is inconvenient. There are a lot of northern capitalists.
DVSBSTrD
Oh no! There are rich people north of the Potomac? My entire argument is undone!
mrthewhitee
Yes it is. Cause this is a capitalist issue, not a racial one. All 50 states lack worker protections. All are at will employment.
Newlife5454
You know some people actually live in Ohio still right?
depressingcomments
I literally kept swiping and came back to remind everyone that Ohio is north and full of dick wads. Beat me to it.
LazloBasement
We have one of the best library systems in the U.S. in Columbus! ... But yeah. On the whole, it's not great.
srsfaceI8C
Willingly?!
BluePaladin42
Don't forget Indiana, the northern state that is STILL kicking itself for not joining the confederacy!
ThatGuyInTheMountains
Dont blame it all on the south. North Dakota touching Canada and still being stupid.
HiddenSanity
Idaho, especially north Idaho, is a conservative hellhole.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
North Dakota is also the South. They're so bad at being a state they couldn't even get the geography right.
kaoticgirl
South dakota has dickwads flying to confederate flag, so yeah, we're south, too.
afsdpckapjadfkasef
How can being south hold you back except for the US?
thesupersonic
North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Iowa, Idaho, parts of Pennsylvania, parts of Wisconsin,NJ, Maine, New Hampshire…to name a few
hardlyfatal
NJ? Lol, no.
StrangerRangerDanger
so... the countryside, the rural areas, the people of the soil...you know, morons.
Thelrishlnquistion
Meanwhile, American companies resent their employees going to the toilet or breathing on company time.
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Thelrishlnquistion
I initially read that as blow off…I need my tea
sdfsfsfsgs
1) Meanwhile, conservatives bitch about internet speeds where I am from and complain the internet never works, not realizing the only way
sdfsfsfsgs
2) rural America will get decent internet is with government programs.
ChalkCoatedDonut
And some of their people defend that system with pride calling it "best country in the world".
Flyingwigs
However, spending company time texting paragraph long messages every 5 minutes is out of line.
Textuality
I like where I work. If I come in a bit late, no biggie. I can take breaks whenever I want. If I feel sick, I just go home, etc.
wormsinmahspice
Hey that fucking air isn't free!
mikeage19919
Because companies have decided it's our turn to be the sweatshop and have just enough people laid well enough to buy shit
DianNaoChong
I saw a job as that wanted an on call .net developer. I can't imagine that nightmare factory
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
They aren’t all bad. My job has paid for my internet (fastest available) and cell service (unlimited) long before the covid. Also mileage/
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
/, updated tech every few years and so many other costs i incur as long as i can show it’s real and needed
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
And actually leaving for meals...
MuffinMan5666
You see the new toilet they made that slanted which causes pain if you sit in it for more than a few minutes?
TheRockDude
using physical discomfort to coerce people to do something sounds borderline illegal, but i'm not a lawyer
H0tPotatoes
Joke's on them, I poop outside
Doctavius
https://futurism.com/the-byte/startup-uncomfortable-toilet-boost-productivity
TChallaVanDam
That shit sounds awful.
Doctavius
Bakerin0
I'm pooping on shift right now! I love being resented
FweejTheOverseer
I got fired for having IBS and I didn’t even know it was illegal to do that.
sylkysmooth
Still, I feel like due to that second part there are going to be a bunch of people immediately losing their work at home status.
jtthemediocre
I microdose socialism with extended poop breaks at work.
TChallaVanDam
Haha, “microdosing socialism” is a great way to put it. Same.
DamnedIfYouDo
Yeah, but we have freedom and are titillated with the dream that we're all just billionaires waiting for our opportunity.
HannibalLectersCatMittens
I once had a job that approved my time off a month ahead of time, denied me the week and said that I didn't put in the request fast enough..
HannibalLectersCatMittens
It was for my brother's wedding where I was the best man. I told them that I'd quit that job in a heartbeat for my brother. Fun fact:
HannibalLectersCatMittens
They realized that I wasn't scared to leave and gave me the day off to attend the wedding.
TheoFromSteam
Having unscheduled toilet breaks is left-wing extremist views! Shit your pants like any good Republican is duty-bound to do.
IamDooters
doody-bound?
Flyingwigs
Lol duty
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
You guys get to breathe?
AnonMasterRace
I gotta pay for my oxygen.
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
Who ever comes the idea of canned air is gonna make a killing
HorseMcFucker
The weak ones just used to keel over and die - You'd hear them going down behind you, kaplofh, kaplofh.
FweejTheOverseer
Our HMO doesn’t cover breathing.
Cuppoteam
I have to bring my own air to work.
SmartAssWithAKeyboard
Only the privileged.
EmporerDragon
Oxygen is for closers.
OhCrapIDidntMeanToPickThisName
I work in a brewery, so no.
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
Brewery smell can be alright or overpowering . Fermentation is friends and food.
OhCrapIDidntMeanToPickThisName
It's the CO2 levels I worry about.
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
a 10-bbl batch of average strength beer produces about 48 kg (848 cubic feet) of CO2.. have OX monitors right? Ventilation, garage door....
TimeFoDat
I have to pay for the privilege of parking where I work. If they could put a dome over this place & charge for oxygen they would.
yallmfsneedjesus
I have to pay $30 a month to park in a garage my company owns.
TimeFoDat
Yeah ours is $15 but unless you get here an hour early you have to park in Timbuktu, finding parking is a BITCH.
HelloYouKilledMyFather
That's absolute bullshit.
ArkoneAxon
It really says something that business practices today are straight out of a dystopian cartoon. Literally - I'm thinking of "Ducktales">
ArkoneAxon
the original series, when the Nephews misconstrued Scrooge's lectures and started cheating customers and charging a "privilege of working>
ArkoneAxon
for us" tax.
The701
Not sure if you're referring to this, or if you've not seen it before, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_privilege_tax
TChallaVanDam
Ducktales was where I first learned the phrase “Work smarter, not harder.” Scrooge was telling them about his first business, a shoeshine...