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The people who want power over others seem to include an awful lot of people who should never be given such a thing.
To be clear:
- They would still get training, this is only about who gets recruited.
- They would still be vetted and screened.
- They can turn it down. They can still opt-out, this is just about eliminating most of the people who want to opt-in.
I know that some people who opt out would probably have made good cops and some people who opt in will still be bad, but all those people who want it for the wrong reasons won't be able to just ask for it and get it.
Thanks @DocBeeblebrox for the non-Crowder template:
https://imgur.com/gallery/sko7Q9W
Note: Re-posted because post-editing appears to be broken right now.
Waxilliam
good lord I didn't think there was a worse way. Maybe make being a cop a high paying job so people who have more than a 2.5 gpa will do it.
CrumbyCake
No, they shouldn't. Would you be willing to do the job? I sure as fuck don't want it
mrbadxampl
trust me when I say this: you don't want a system that would put me behind a gun in public
DocBeeblebrox
Thanks for the credit @op, that warmed my heart :) I see you got downvoted but I think your idea might work in a slightly modified form- random selection for oversight in cops, government etc would be an interesting one to try...
clumsygoat
Dude, I can't believe this got downvoted into oblivion. People are like "ACAB amirite!" but then they're like, "no, no, the average citizen is worse".
PutinGivingYouANeckMassage
Where exactly is the difference to *now*? No one who doesn't want that job is doing it now or would be doing it in your version. Idk how the situation is in your country, but it's usually not easy to even find ppl who want to do that stuff in the first place
clumsygoat
It's based on the assumption that the average person is a better person than the average cop. People who self-select to be cops won't be able to just ask for it and have it handed to them. They'll have to wait for a long list of normal people to turn it down first. Most people just work for a paycheck. They're not in a dream job. They'll take police officer and $60k over Amazon's warehouse.
PutinGivingYouANeckMassage
If they were to take the police officer and 60k over amazon warehouse, why don't they do so now?
Exyr
Just start with ending qualified immunity, mandatory random drug tests, losing their pension if they break the law.
clumsygoat
So... let's not consider alternative systems, let's only talk about fixing the one we have?
Itwasmyname
I think you'd have almost everyone refuse except those who would have applied anyway (why you can't refuse jury duty). So you'd get the same people but with a bunch more work.
clumsygoat
That seems unlikely. Most people take jobs for the paycheck. You're suggesting all the people working as fry cooks and Amazon packers would turn this down because they've already got a great career in the service industry.
Itwasmyname
I made sure to put an almost in there to account for these people. Ask though why they aren't already police. Do they want to be police? Why / why not? Would they pass the filters? Would the training stick? How long would they last? These hurdles could be fixed (social programs, education, improved healthcare, legal reforms) but I think doing that would go a long way to solving the overall issue without the draft aspect.
Itwasmyname
+1 for wanting/thinking about a better solution though.
Corrodias
Agreed on both counts. Certain, other countries have demonstrated how to have an effective police force: regulation and sufficient pay.