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Jul 21, 2021 5:14 PM
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Daddysharkfinsoup
don't go to the hospital for covid if you think it's a hoax
TheTrufe
This is a bit extreme even for this site
IOwnTheSpire
Novacornix
government-run ≠ socialism. Socialism isn't when the government does stuff. This person, even in support, is using the word incorrectly.
BoomerSooner767
Except you pay into social security, it's my fucking money. Live your own truth lol.
72365127001
Telling R’s not to use the systems they paid for by forcible taxation is just stupid.
GondwanaCraton
Strangely enough that's exactly as stupid as when Republicans call people who collect unemployment *insurance,* which they paid into, lazy.
Hubb
Do not pay taxes, do not pass go, do not collect 200 go straight to jail
BadAsprin
stupid never seems to die, just keeps going on and on
Turbolibros
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Christ...I remember reading that when it came out.
SrMordred
"Those aren't Socialism because I like them. Socialism is all the things I don't like. I can't give you a better definition, sorry."
MadMike75
Ignorant people acting like they understand socialism. If you like socialism move to Cuba or China or Venesuela and ask them how its going.
IOwnTheSpire
So if social security and public services aren't socialism, then why do right-wingers keep attacking and labelling it as socialism?
copingcabana
The problem (on both sides) is that none of that is socialism. Socialism as when the government owns the means of production.
untrugby
Not wanting socialism and not wanting social programs at all are completely different.
SpamYarBlockers
Politicians intentionally confuse these terms for cynical gain
skittlesFan
How do I tag my coworker in this
Higure
I hate this "If you want to change the system then don't use the system" rhetoric. No matter which way it is aimed. It is faulty as fuck.
SpamYarBlockers
What ‘ave the Romans ever done for us?
Higure
"If you want to change the system, then get ready for these parts of the system to disappear" is much better.
ReclusiveYeti
I still feel there's a definition miscommunication going on with people between socialism and social programs. Words, tricky buggers.
Whitebromyalgia
Evident here, there, and everywhere.
lspec
Well, pulling the goverment out of everything is the Republican rhetoric. Socialism encompasses a much bigger concept than just communism.
bekkayya
this is dumb, because it has to go both ways. I'm a socialist and im not going to starve myself by not participating in capitalism.
OrDinaryDuDe17
This is like saying if you're democrat you should only use bikes and public transit for transportation.
Shaodyn
If fire departments didn't already exist, the right would refuse to let them happen and scream "socialism" at the idea.
aCamelNamedGaylord
Flawed logic. But playing by your rules, I'm okay with all of it if that means I don't have to pay any taxes ?
shelworth
Fine, just give me all the taxes I've ever paid back with interest....
brownribbon
I’m fairly certain these people were already avoiding libraries.
L4dead2
I would have voted republican if I could vote, but I would also have loved socialism
EalisLav
Well, while I agree with the sentiment, it should also include tax cuts equal to portion of the taxes that go for mentioned services.
thekeyofe
Hypocrisy is central to the Conservative world view. "Benefits for me but not for thee."
BadAsprin
yep
sirtheysaid
It’s their attitude throughout the pandemic too. “If I’m not sick then the virus isn’t real. If you get sick and die you’re weak”
sirtheysaid
"and if I get sick and am dying, then now's not the time to politicize this"
cepacolusmaximus
It manifests as hypocrisy, but the real driver is Feeling Superior. Equality is unpalatable to those who's self definition is "above others"
cambriago13
Don't accept government handouts for the results of catastrophic economic policies...
FearsAndMadness
There’s pfas popping up in the communities around here. Conservatives have been drinking bottled water for forever prolly
ItsBobBelcher
Lol they ain’t gonna stop doing that. That’s the whole fun of running the anti-socialist propaganda!
DarkSock
I lived through Katrina; conservatives were elbowing & pushing their way to the front of the line to get at those sweet federal handouts…
Agwyn
I would prefer to manage my own social security money. My investments vastly outperform what i would get from that.
SuperPickle17
Too bad American investing is rigged.
mkd64
So would I, but it's not about maximizing personal gain, but providing for every single American. I'll gladly buy into that.
WesVTX
This sounds like "I Got Mine". One-in-Four Americans over 40 have zero retirement savings. Dismantling SS screws them over.
LetheTheArtificer
You do realize every working American from that cessation point forward would have their same/own money to use or invest, right?
LetheTheArtificer
If you are forced to pay into a ponzi scheme that can only feed itself on those coming after you it should be dismantled and stopped.
sgtstiletto
They love to hate on boomers… but are so cuddly with paying for their social programs…
bamcobra
Do you seriously believe that any reasonable percentage of Americans are going to invest well enough to provide a livable retirement egg?
WesVTX
Like I said, "I Got Mine". You think the 25% that do not have anything saved will turn it around with an extra 10% each paycheck?
LetheTheArtificer
So keep people poorer while they pay for each generation before in a circulating scheme cool. Your view is absolutely the entitled one here.
PotatoCheesMonk
Once had a conversation while gaming with a firefighter who didnt believe in "socialism"...
funnystoryaboutthat
Firefighter here. It's always awkward meeting those guys...
kkanne20
f1swimdreamer
That's hilarious! The irony ?.
Switchlight
Remember when firefighters used to be privatized.... If you didnt have insurance then firefighters would just start taking things from 1/
Switchlight
Your home. Marcus Crassus created Rome's first "fire brigade" by gathering a large group of men to burning houses and offering to buy 2/
Switchlight
the burning building from the owner at a low cost. If the owner agreed then the fire was put out but if not then it burned to the ground
Dogfacedboy
Should have burned down his fucking house.
Direkt4
That was BLM's strategy.
BoomerSooner767
Classy.
WenTheEternallySurprised
Funny how firefighters tend to be right wing trumpfucks.
StumpyToe
Can confirm
reynoldser
Lots, but definitely not all. I'm an ex firefighter but a Dem who wants more socialized services to give a baseline life quality of life.
WenTheEternallySurprised
I only said "tend".
LucasBurke
Why is that? Are firefighters commonly not intelligent people?
secretdpp
Based on some the rural station crews in my area... people is a long stretch
funnystoryaboutthat
Firefighter here. Rural volunteers are just...ugh...
secretdpp
Wolf Creek Oregon was the local rural department I mainly knew and JFC....
JoseCanada79
Yeah well, white guys with a high school education are his bread and butter
outthere987
having a fire department has nothing to do with socialism. Socialism is when the means of production are collectively owned but somehow >
BoomerSooner767
Dude these fucking idiots don't know what they are talking about. And social security is literally a bank you pay into, not a handout.
outthere987
Lol thx
outthere987
the right convinced ppl that public services/social safety net is the same thing as socialism, and a lot of young ppl on the left just went>
outthere987
with it so now the colloquial meaning of “socialism” gets stretched to include capitalism with public services and a social safety net
PotatoCheesMonk
He was the one using the term socialism. We were discussing health care. I pointed out if we collectively pay for fire dept we could do the
PotatoCheesMonk
Same with health insurance. Meh. It was kinda a pointless conversation in a cod game.
somewhatparanoidpanda
Don’t get caught up I semantics, socialism is a word we use to describe having your house fire put out and not getting a bill. Move on.
outthere987
Semantics matter. Control language you control truth. Semantic confusion about the word socialism is caused and exploited by right wing >
MostDefinitelyNotACommentBot
Well you are correct in a way. Socialism encompasses many definitions ranging from means of production to social security -it really depends
outthere987
Thats the NEW meaning, thats the point im making. Look up socialism, it has many forms but they are characterized by social ownership of >
ThePretentiousGentleman
That’s communism not socialism. Which if my reading has any accuracy, does have a difference.
outthere987
no, communism is when in addition to social ownership of the means of production, it is all managed by the state and resources are >
WenTheEternallySurprised
And stop shitting in toilets connected to sewer systems. Or drinking water from taps.
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Towncivilian
I’m an oddity: city water and septic tank.
LordHosk
Sewer systems and taps are paid for by your water bill. Y'all don't know how infrastructure works do you?
LordHosk
The Water company pays the city/state/township/municipality a revenue share to fund the installation and upkeep of the pipes at the road.
LordHosk
The home/buildings builder had to pay a license and hook up fee to connect to the system.
LordHosk
Its so cheep because we have such massive systems in place and everyone pays. its a managed monopoly. same with gas and electricity.
cyno01
There was just a supreme court case, you can ignore modern sanitation regulations for religious reasons! Checkmate San Francisco.
Heisanevilgenius
Or drive on public roads, particularly with lights or signs.
BoomerSooner767
Taxes. That's paid for by our taxes.
LordHosk
No its not, its paid for by your water bill, the water utility pays a fee to the municipality to maintain the pipes.
BoomerSooner767
If you're using YOUR shitter, it's your water bill. Anything public is paid by taxes.
LordHosk
I mean... I GUESS... because your taxes fund the city who pays its own water bill a part of which is paid back to it to maintain the pipes.
holmestrix
Uhh where I am from, I have to pay for those services. They ain't free.
kakivara
I only shit in toilets connected to the local butthole network.
VaultGirl69
They love social programs. Just not for those who work harder for less money. Or minorities. It's "ok"when they need it tho. ?
LordHosk
When minorities get food assistance its welfare/food stamps, when white people get them its "government benefits/wic" very different. /s
VaultGirl69
I've never noticed. They do use different words. The only problem I have with the Internet. It helps hateful ppl find more hateful ppl.
NickRivieraMD
no electricity or gas from public utilities either
LordHosk
Public utilities are just regulated monopolies, they are funded by the bills people pay, they aren't government funded.
NickRivieraMD
Fair enough
1philthy1
Or drinking from toilets for that matter.
CyanideBreathMint
Sewage is a utility, usually connected to your water company.
PutItInNeutral
Goddamned socialized toilets! MUH FREEDUMBS!!!
DogOfKingdomCome
Oooh. I heard of these people in another post. They shit in the changing rooms at target.
ActionJohnnie
Now that’s peak capitalism.
sawasdeekap
I don’t think this is socialist things. It’s mostly that it’s owned by the government (people) and not by a private company (I’m Norwegian).
WenTheEternallySurprised
Socialism is the communal ownership and operation of shared resources (often via governments). Water and sewers are perfect examples.
Baalzak
Talk to a Republican and see what they think about publicly owned services.
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
Oh I already know, they flip shit keep saying it's completely different when I was talking to a guy from Nebraska about their power grid
blaghart
Or using electricity from the grid (even TX was paid for with taxpayer money) or breathing the air (EPA regs keep it clean)
BennyGaga
Water and Sewer are utilities you pay for and are not socialized like snow plows.
ambiencenever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_socialism
BennyGaga
This guy did his *research*.
ambiencenever
I cant tell if youre being sarcastic, im guessing so. At least skim that wiki article. I am fully aware that politics has been a language 1/
ambiencenever
war for thousands of years, each side trying to redefine the others' terminology against their opponents' will. Diss on the big scary s 2/
VenetianViolet
We pay for the snow plows with our taxes. We can afford water and sewage services because they are government regulated.
ambiencenever
Socialized doesn't mean only-funded-by-taxes.
WenTheEternallySurprised
And both of those services are owned and run by governments where I live. That's a socialized service, sport.
BennyGaga
Wow, maybe I live in a different place from you, champ.
flynnman504
In my lifetime, a live action Dane Cook bit. Unreal
Archeron
I'm on a well and a septic system. Do I win something?
lunchbeers
Don't forget the joys of paying for the county to install sewers by foot of road frontage when they decide to run it past your house.
Archeron
I'm too out in the country for that. I'll be ded before sewer gets out here
iambrose
I’ll be dead before FiOS gets here, let alone city services.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
You win hard water!
Archeron
Nope, I have a water softener and filter system, but the water here isn't actually very hard at all. The filter is for sulfur, no eggs.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
I had a well for 20 years. Never an issue. Water heater was from 1968 and still worked fine when we sold the house
xjsxjs
Hopefully you were getting it regularly tested though. Just google pfas in Michigan…they all thought they had great wells too.
Like2Fox
Yes, suboptimal plumbing and all expense that come with maintaining it
Habfan18
Well and septic are the way to go and cheaper by far than city water and sewer where you pay 1x coming in and 3x going out. Every single day
Archeron
Expenses, sure, but how do you figure suboptimal plumbing?
AeternalDreamer
There's also problems when the well runs dry, of course. My grandmother had that issue, actually. Her well ran dry and had to fork over 1)
AeternalDreamer
like.. $5,000 if I recall correctly, for a new well to be dug.
xjsxjs
A well maintained septic is fine. When not maintained, they are are horrible polluters. Some states don’t regulate once installed. No checks
Archeron
No problems here, pumped and inspected every 4yrs