Tales of a CRM Archaeologist

Mar 15, 2016 3:43 AM

ArchaeoJones

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Cultural Resource management. Otherwise known as Archaeology's drunk uncle no one likes to talk about.

You want to build something? Going to use Federal or state funding to do it? saddle up my friend, because you'll have to call us.

We hear this question everyday from someone who thinks they're witty. Please don't be that person.

Dont get me wrong, the movies are good, but no.

I grew up in the Hudson Valley, New York. The place is teeming with prehistory (Native Americans) and History. Digging in my backyard yielded barrel pieces, stove top iron, musket balls and an artillery shell. And that's just what I remember offhand.

I've got 4 under my belt. Each one has a story, Maybe if people like I'll tell them later.

Worst story was from a co-worker who found a wallet in the woods next to some boots. Turned it into the police station and was quickly surrounded and questioned. They went back to the area and found the guy, who'd been missing for a year, hanging in the tree. The foliage had camouflaged him. His feet were still in the boots.

http://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Dalton.html

Probably one of my best days. These are rare to find. Only 3 have been found in New York alone. Even broken in half, it was the size of my palm.

Landowner was not happy.

Don't get me wrong, I've got stories for days. But the job requires copious amounts of travel. Days, weeks or months away from home. It puts a strain on a relationship.

It's also why we tend to drink heavily. Well, that and getting shot at near constantly.

We're kind of the bane of landowner existence. They don't want us around, but if the research says something may be out there, we have to go.

Needless to say, when we do find things, Landowners will do whatever they can to try and mitigate the damage. This has included taking a bulldozer to the land shortly after we left. Yes, he was charged a hefty fine, but it cost him less than if we had to go back out.

Occasionally we get a landowner, usually a farmer, who claims that nothing is there and no way could anything be there. That's usually a red flag. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

If we're on a nice parcel of flat land, near a swamp or other major water source, chances are we're going to find something.

And for the love of all you hold dear, don't pot hunt and dig up places you think may hold stuff. You're destroying history. You want to find stuff? Great. Go to a corn field, farm area, new building or any other place that's been completely disturbed. There's no context there anymore. It's been plowed/dug/bulldozed into oblivion. If you DO find something, take pictures before you pick it up. Show what's around it. This way, if you find something important, there's a record of where you found it. Document, Document, Document

A lot of people don't seem to think what I do is hard work. "Oh anyone can do that!"

My standard reply is to ask them if they can hike up to 3 miles while carrying upwards of 20 pounds of equipment, including a 3' square box screen and shovel, while maintaining a straight line using only a map and compass. And don't forget to stop every 15 meters and dig a hole.

I get this a lot. Especially from my parents, who aren't exactly happy with my choice of work.

I work for 3 different companies in different states. Not all of them have work all the time. I can be employed for a year, or have nothing for 6 months. Gives me a lot of time for other projects. Blacksmithing, knifemaking, Armoring, Woodworking, Cooking, The Society for Creative Anachronism, etc.

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@Archaeojones Updoots for the SCA

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

As a kid I lived on an island in the PNW. Remember digging up a stone table that had strange writing on it. Buried it. Never told anyone

10 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 2

Wait, so you have free reign to trespass anywhere and cause the owner financial harm?

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Only if the owners are taking federal or state money to build. If they didn't want the gov. involved, they can use their own money.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm an archaeologist in England. I feel your pain. Being called lazy by fat builders who use machines for EVERYTHING is good ironic fun.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Excuse me, where are your safety vests? you need to be colored like an ugly flower in a cornfield

10 years ago | Likes 233 Dislikes 1

That makes it to tempting for the earlier mentioned landowners to take a rifle out of the weapon locker.

10 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Valid point,that's why I wear pink during fieldwork. Nobody shoots at someone lame enough to wear pink, it also says you're not that sketch

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I hope people like that don't exist. But I know they do.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

11/10 would be shot by hunters.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I want to hear the murder mysteries!

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

If this goes well, I'll make one.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

So, you on it?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If I find some cool abandoned shit, its mine. Finders keepers losers can suck my butt and not have cool shit

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

You seem like the most gloriously nerdy person on the face of the earth what with all those hobbies on top of digging for bones or w/e

10 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

It gives me something to do. And since I research the past anyway, might as well capitalize on what I know.

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Sounds pretty badass. I should learn more about the Indian nations that inhabited Maryland, but I never seem to get around to it.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Another CRM archaeologist here! I hate when people ask "what's it worth?" When I'm talking about a kick ass point and nerding out.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Majored in anthropology/archaeology back in college, 25 years ago. Sometimes wonder if I'd kept with it instead of going into web dev.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You probably would have done well until the housing collapse. That's pretty much when all hell broke loose and the mass layoffs began.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I moved into a new house a few years ago; after a storm, found the edge of a buried railroad tie in my backyard. My archeological 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

curiosity kicked in, did some investigating; discovered there used to be a big outlined garden bed there back in the 70s. Still got it!

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Commercial archaeologist in the UK here. Get the same shit from people, but we actually find legit stuff pretty regularly, so that's nice :p

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You're the assholes that destroy property rights because a bunch of dead people left trash somewhere.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Only if the owners are taking federal or state money to build. If they don't want the gov. involved, they can use their own money.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

+1 to a fellow archaeologist

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I feel guilty now. Found an arrowhead while hiking when I was 8. Still have it :(

10 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Kid'll be kids. I never documented anything that I found. I still have half of it, on shelves around the house.

10 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 2

You say you're an archaeologist, but people are not allowed to ask if you've found anything interesting. You sound fun.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Do you like to be heckled at your job? Usually the people that ask this aren't asking in earnest, but to be smartasses.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

The biggest hardship of all archaeologist then?

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

People shoot at archaeologists? So Indy wasn't that far off... :D

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

as a civil engineer, i love it when an archaeologist is needed on site and finds something. gives me more time to complete a project.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ulster Co. "It's a lake bed. It's been a lake since the glaciers receded. Only if an Indian rolled his canoe is anything there!" (1/2)

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Archaeologist: "So what? I dig a few test pits and collect a check." :-/ [from bad experience] (2/2)

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I would sooo love to hear more!

10 years ago | Likes 55 Dislikes 0

We'll see how well this does.

10 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 2

Hi from random mode. I’d like to hear more stories please!!

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes, tell us the stories of the bodies!!!

10 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Body stories please! ????

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yes body stories... also, being shot? damn i want more!

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sherdnerd! :-)

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

+1 for the Hudson valley

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If you find something, does the state have to pay the land owner?

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

hey, everyone gets a phase 3 now again and gets to do picture 1

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

True, but these days, rare that a landowner wants to dish out that kind of money.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Represent, dude.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My mom dug up some 4000 year old huts in Fattenborg, largest ever found in scandinavia

10 years ago | Likes 106 Dislikes 0

your mom is a fattenborg

10 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 4

Yaaay scandinavia 4 da win. Fattenborg is Norway?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Kalix, Sweden.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

haha sthlm sverige!!!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But the conditions for archaeologists in Scandinavia are a lot better. Cause of socialism.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Nice. My focus was in European archaeology, mainly Roman military. Trying to get into it is near impossible unless I know the right people.

10 years ago | Likes 58 Dislikes 0

Wanna hook a history major up?

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

How so?

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Idk, I was told I need to know people, figured you might know what I'd need for this field

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Come to Germany, there is something significant under literally every rock. Building something new or even digging a hole in older cities(1)

10 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 1

Same for any major cities in Europe I think. One does not simply build a house in a old European town.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yep, in my city in Spain we have a big problem building cause you dig and you find mosaics and so (under my house there is a museum)

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

is a nightmare (or a dream, depending on the perspective :)) and we need to do a lot of 'Notgrabungen' (rescue excavations). (2)

10 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

i imagine that digging in Germany is a 50/50 chance of finding either ancient stuff or a WW2 unexploded bomb

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Very accurate. Had something like 4 Fliegerbomben in my city the last year alone. But we have good routines on cleaning them up.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Wanna build sth. new in Cologne? Plan in a year or two of excavations because the whole city is built ontop of a roman town and citadel.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

BA in archaeology here. People are always asking what dinosaurs I've excavated. The struggle is real.

10 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

That's okay...geologists get asked about Indiana Jones and projectile points!

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

From a cs major, so please don't hate me for stupid questions: Isn't that a completely different field? Palaeontology?

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yeah, it is. But most people don't understand the difference.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

that would be correct

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

yay! But from what I know they also rarely find dinosaurs. The most interesting piece in the collection of my university is a fossil of (1)

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

right

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

bacteria :) (2)

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Fucking hell man, but seriously. Dino bones, gold, treasure? Those are legit questions!

10 years ago | Likes 57 Dislikes 2

He must be one of the lamer ones at work, doesnt get the good jobs

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Indeed, based on some of the responses I think the real find was a grumpasaurus rex :P

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

LOL!

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

While I'd love to find some, many times people aren't asking in earnest, but to heckle.

10 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 1

It must be a totally different feeling when a small child wanders in and asks the same things in earnest

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ah, I see. I ask because I'm genuinely curious of what you have found. I figure that I would properly convey that when I ask though.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Gotcha. Honestly, I've found different types of coins, German, Spanish, US, but none older than 1880. Never kept any, always turned them in.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I am about to embark on archaeology studies after this summer and will probably end up doing what you do now. Is it worth it? :3

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Its absolutely worth it. Ive been in CRM for five years. Its hard for sure but so much fun and that one pst shvl tst makes its all worth it

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If you really want to do it, do it. The life is hard and depending on if you get in with a good company, you may end up traveling far. 1/

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But my usual advice to the new crowd is run. Requirements to get hired are getting stricter and stricter, and you'll be up against a lot 2/

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Of other applicants, many of which have years of experience.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Makes sense. Thanks for the inside info! This will make my own decisions and other related stuff a bit easier to handle.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0