The kinda shit you see where I live in rural 100+ year old homes where nothing is to modern code and has been band-aided over and over again through multiple generations? Yeah, best of fucking luck to the robots...
Robots are great for big projects. Oh you need 5000m2 of floor sealed with epoxy? We have a robot for that. But for smaller projects like a floor in a random house, blue collar workers will be needed.
I think the concern is a majority of blue collar workers get their training and their full time jobs doing work at commercial sites, not residential. you are right but this could still cause a major disruption to some blue collar industries.
Get some rich asshole to buy one of those robots and start a company undercutting the blue collar folks for the smaller jobs. Those machines WILL be miniaturized. Blue collars go out of business, no apprentices learn, and now the only options are the rich assholes who can afford a few hundred thousand initial investment.
Remember, ai is about giving wealth access to skill, NOT giving skill access to wealth.
Thing is... if AI/robotics actually becomes a HUGE succes, that means everyone will be unemployed, which means nobody can afford things like a kitchen renovation... which means those robots have no work. I really wonder how the AI/Robot industry is going to solve that paradox.
Well there are to competing thoughts on that. 1) universal income basically tax said companies and use it to pay everyone who's no out of jobs getting leasure time (in testing it works really well but doubt we'll see it large scale. Or 2) new jobs and tasks are created, historically this has happened every time tech removes a prior job new ones just appear.
I dont believe in #1 because that would mean the oligarchs would have to give up political power and we'd need to socialize the economy. Bascially we'd need to get rid of capitalism. I know they did UBI experiments and they were all a succes but capitalists would rather go to war than let that happen. About #2, I dont see what kind of jobs could be done better by humans once the AI/Robots are as good and cheaper than humans. I cant think of any paying(!) jobs.
Well ubi allows capitalism to exist in a word that essentially is automated. If every job or large sections of them are completely removed via robotics and Ai there then is no consumers to buy the products. This is purely a capitalism issue but without buyers capitalism fails.
Not exactly. Take our current corporatocracy, the ave schmuck can vote but piles of cash are dumped to ensure on ave that the corpos pick is chosen. The few times they lose act as a pressure release but the net result is still big money wins. The oligarchs would absolutely use ubi to their own needs.
ProfessorMuChao
New projects =/= renovations, repairs, etc.
The kinda shit you see where I live in rural 100+ year old homes where nothing is to modern code and has been band-aided over and over again through multiple generations? Yeah, best of fucking luck to the robots...
ProfessorMatt
Time for the Wooden Shoe Brigade.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
That’s not AI, that’s robotics applied to new environments with more sensors, mobility and some softwares that resembles AI.
Otherwise you should call AI also a Roomba cleaning a floor.
WeHaveCheese
Turboslacker
GrandmasterSpank
Robots are great for big projects. Oh you need 5000m2 of floor sealed with epoxy? We have a robot for that. But for smaller projects like a floor in a random house, blue collar workers will be needed.
thegorestore
I think the concern is a majority of blue collar workers get their training and their full time jobs doing work at commercial sites, not residential. you are right but this could still cause a major disruption to some blue collar industries.
relsky
Get some rich asshole to buy one of those robots and start a company undercutting the blue collar folks for the smaller jobs. Those machines WILL be miniaturized. Blue collars go out of business, no apprentices learn, and now the only options are the rich assholes who can afford a few hundred thousand initial investment.
Remember, ai is about giving wealth access to skill, NOT giving skill access to wealth.
spittleteets
Whatever helps you sleep at night pal...or should I say PETER
GrandmasterSpank
You're going to rent a robot which will rewire your kitchen electronics? What time frame are we talking about? 25 years from now? 50?
fibbertitgibbet
At least for the next 10 years. But in 20 years, you might have smaller robots that can do many things.
GrandmasterSpank
Thing is... if AI/robotics actually becomes a HUGE succes, that means everyone will be unemployed, which means nobody can afford things like a kitchen renovation... which means those robots have no work. I really wonder how the AI/Robot industry is going to solve that paradox.
Revnis
Well there are to competing thoughts on that. 1) universal income basically tax said companies and use it to pay everyone who's no out of jobs getting leasure time (in testing it works really well but doubt we'll see it large scale. Or 2) new jobs and tasks are created, historically this has happened every time tech removes a prior job new ones just appear.
GrandmasterSpank
I dont believe in #1 because that would mean the oligarchs would have to give up political power and we'd need to socialize the economy. Bascially we'd need to get rid of capitalism. I know they did UBI experiments and they were all a succes but capitalists would rather go to war than let that happen. About #2, I dont see what kind of jobs could be done better by humans once the AI/Robots are as good and cheaper than humans. I cant think of any paying(!) jobs.
Revnis
Well ubi allows capitalism to exist in a word that essentially is automated. If every job or large sections of them are completely removed via robotics and Ai there then is no consumers to buy the products. This is purely a capitalism issue but without buyers capitalism fails.
datphone777365
Not exactly. Take our current corporatocracy, the ave schmuck can vote but piles of cash are dumped to ensure on ave that the corpos pick is chosen. The few times they lose act as a pressure release but the net result is still big money wins. The oligarchs would absolutely use ubi to their own needs.