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Nunyajonesinc
"we do some war crimes sometimes and would hate to give up our get out of jail for free card" - some general
TremendousFlashC377
It sounds bad, but there is most likely a legit reason for it, like protecting sources.
CoarseAndSalty
Oh HELL no. Commander in fucking Chief.
alwaysupvotefuturama
Bastards
BrigidtheMechLady
If we have committed war crimes, we need to answer for them, same as any other country. Fuck these bastards
SciFiGuy2018
Yeah, right... remember when Trump didn't hand over information too... oh wait, he did hand over information, but it was to the Russians.
EinsteinHair
Why should the police be the ones to have all the ‘fun’?
Giraffehalf
Rather the commander in chief is choosing to be blocked by agencies subordinate to him.
WhatIfWeAreAllMeatPopsicles
If you haven't been committing war crimes then you have nothing to worry about!
MakeCorruptionIllegalAgain
rockstarjesus
It's only a War Crime if you signed the treaty. Everything else is a Sparkling Atrocity.
rockstarjesus
Four days later and I simultaneously feel pride and shame. That normal?
pintDMG
So when are we gonna invade the US and enforce some Western Values and Democracy on them?
Marsmallowmancer
I guess we are the baddies...
Shadowkrieger
This should be grounds for removal of the leadership of the military that restricted this information. War crime is war crime.
jakobbp
Looking at just the last 25 years, it sure doesn't look like "war crime is a war crime". Ukrainian war only made the hypocrisy blatant.
jamesx
If you are afraid of being tried for war crimes in the future... just don't commit war crimes. And if you do, you should be tried.
hfctom
"We might have to hand over George W Bush and Obama so, no..."
ElusiveThing
The US doesn't want oversight regarding war crimes? Shocking, from the leading aggressor nation of the past 75 years.
SecondSince
Hey US. ... FUCK YOU!
MarkySpaceMagnet
I just love the way the article is written to make it Biden's fault.
fractalsphere
I can only assume they would WANT to get Russia for war crimes. But if they're so intent on hiding their own actions, don't let them.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Not as much as they want to keep being able to do their own war crimes.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
CryptoMagnet
Yes
siccoyote
SomeHippy
It's more like Warhammer 40k. There are no good guys, just various levels of bad
HeraldOfTheBadger
It was Canada until we figured out the thing with the indigenous children
Feralkyn
Remember when Trump pardoned the Navy Seal who'd commited war crimes & photographed himself trophy-posing w/ civilian victims?
ROGUEdenied
ALOT of the crimes are documented, so it DOES NOT MATTER!
Blurking
Send it through the back door via one of the 5 eyes partners.
atomicsockmonkey
If the pentagon was worried about the security of the U.S. they should have had Cheeto taken away in cuffs.
ChickenFingerFingers
Cause there would be a bunch of rapey murdering Americans that need to go to Iraq and Afghan jail that 100% deserve it.
PigsCanJump
The ICC will also not allow capital punishment, even against heinous war criminals. After Rwanda, all the high level people lived and
PigsCanJump
The mid level planners tried in Rwanda by civil courts were all executed. Sends a weeeird message despite the good intent. Also takes a
PigsCanJump
While. See: Cambodian genocide leaders.
TrickyVein
Shouldn't really be surprising. US'd be on the hook for countless crimes.
GhostOfAnrui
As they should be.
bunnylicious
Especially given our governments constantly whining about this being a law and order country!
Rubblebubble
i've said it before and i'll say it again. basically every modern president is a war criminal. right decisions or wrong it's the truth.
losersmanual
What an absolutely narrow minded view. American?
Rubblebubble
have many other countries unilaterally attacked other nations resulting in massive civilian deaths? and what do you call that?
qwertdeep
Every president since WW2 and that’s only because they made war crimes after ww2, plenty before would fit the bill. I US has only been at/
qwertdeep
Peace for like 12 years of its entire history
HypersonicHero
It's because the US obtained that specific evidence through classified means and doesn't want to give up the means.
HypersonicHero
However, after Ukraine the US has been the most vocal with regards to Russian war crimes and has given unclassified evidence.
howimetyourauntrobin2
Wouldn't they also have to reveal how they got the information, potentially exposing classified tech and or personnel?
SecondSince
That sounds like an excellent excuse to not turn over any info. And by excellent i mean weak ass bullshit nonsense!
SeeShark
While that's certainly possible, I haven't seen anyone reporting on that aspect.
howimetyourauntrobin2
Fair enough, I might be way of base, that's just where my mind went, but I'm also on imgur in the middle of the dar so no expert here
ZaphodBbx
The United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court system, and our military has been indicted by them on occasion...
HypersonicHero
Because its unconstitutional. It violates numerous parts of the US Constitution. Especially "jury by peers" which could be changed buuuuut..
jmorr84
I'm glad someone said this. It's an important distinction.
djj25
I trust there are ways they can “get” the evidence to them.
ZaphodBbx
Because sometimes *they* are the bad guys...
Titty5prinkles
Ehh more like America does stupid shit occasionally
Ruderali
Somtimes being every day after Aug 9th 1945
ZaphodBbx
So I *wish* they were more cooperative in this case, but I understand that they have somewhat of an adversarial relationship with the ICC.
kosmonaut72
An adversarial relationship to rules based international order you say? Curious
HighlandViking
1/2 ‘Adversarial’ is a bit of an understatement, considering the Hague Invasion Act. Good point though. Interesting article:
HighlandViking
2/2 https://scholar.harvard.edu/ksikkink/blog/“invade-hague”-“support-icc”-america’s-shifting-stance-international-criminal-court
CocaineCactus
The ICC, in general, is just not a very effective institution due to sovereignty issues.
SeeShark
On top of that, it's a highly politicized body generally wielded by Europe against the rest of the world. The basic concept is admirable
SeeShark
but the execution leaves so much to be desired that it's hard for me to work up any outrage over this story.
NoNameFred
Europe, South America, Canada, Africa, Australia, etc… Even Russia were fine with it until 2016 (caught invading Crimea) But not China & USA
NoNameFred
Note how the countries who claim it is "politicized"/"corrupt" are the big-bully-states who act like they can do anything without reprisals…
kuriosly
Most of the real criticism has come from Africa.