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From what I've read, it's difficult for young women to find doctors who will honor a request to have their tubes tied, for whatever reason, such as the one in the graphic or just because they don't want kids. I expect that may change.
Loctavius
Also ladies, get a gun, learn how to use it, carry it, and shoot your would-be rapist. That is a great form of birth control.
Starfury42
People in government are scared of this exact thing. Where will they get bodies for cheap labor/military?
squirrelbandit
I got lucky and only had to visit 5 doctors before I found one who would do it. Some people go thru dozens. And if you can't pay for that...
ChristopherHallett
Hello and welcome to women's reproductive health in the USA. Getting 'sterilised' is almost fucking impossible. Even in cases of (1)
ChristopherHallett
endometriosis so severely crippling the requestee has attempted suicide multiple times. Doctors will straight up refuse. (fin)
gaggmaggot
if you have the right money....doctors will do anything. just look at all that horrible plastic surgery stars get
ProudAussie
If I was an American woman, I'd work hard to get the fuck outta the US & move to a more civil country. Like Mexico.
Hyzenthlay021
07/09/21 Mexican Supreme Court unanimously ruled that penalising abortion is unconstitutional, setting a precedent across the whole country.
froggy2therescue12
There's a google doc where people listed doctors in their area that are doing female sterilization. With little to no push back.
s0lid0nyx
lol. oh you sweet summer child. Do you know how many hoops women have to jump through to get sterilized?
DUDEWHOA
Sorry for the world we created. Its a real step backwards
arumunus
While understanding the above sentiment, let's remember the narrative shouldn't be that women need to take it upon themselves to elect for >
arumunus
Invasive and potentially harmful surgeries- and rather remember that we ALL are effected by RvW (ect) and should be doing what we can to >
arumunus
Fight this bs and make sure our children don't have to know what any of this feels like when they're old enough to know of it.
3rdoption
If a woman can't rely on doctors to do what is necessary to save her life or minimize suffering if it includes abortion, pregnancy is unsafe
HermeneuticalQuandary
The complications that occur regularly in pregnancy are enough to say pregnancy is not safe. That’s why we have OBs. Abortion is healthcare.
agonarch
They can't rely on doctors to do this procedure either in the US.
TurdHurdler
Pregnancy is generally unsafe, but safer when we have all options available.
Izdleve
Exactly! Before R v. W fell, I was talked out of abortion services with the plan of "we'll see what happens and hope for the best" when I
Izdleve
Was experiencing an abnormal miscarriage. At one point I almost fainted from pain and went to the ER. They were sure it had nothing to do
Izdleve
With my pregnancy situation without doing any tests. 3 days later I was having exploratory surgery after I had 2L of internal bleeding. They
Izdleve
Finally found the ectopic pregnancy, just a shame it was too late to save the tube. Everything could have been avoided if they had just
Izdleve
Provided healthcare at any point. Doctors already didn't take women seriously enough. This red tape will kill a lot of women, and I don't
maximumhippo
It will change. It will get more difficult though, not easier.
HlyAlch
Good luck trying to get sterilized as a woman doctors won't do it without a very good reason and sometimes not even then.
SedatedSl0th
If we get to that point I know a few people that would just use our guns to abort the rapist. I know it’s late stage, but c’est la vie
navytowel
I have seen this posted on Reddit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Djia_WkrVO3S4jKn6odNwQk7pOcpcL4x00FMNekrb7Q/htmlview A list of 1/
navytowel
doctors by state that will perform tubal ligations etc, no questions asked, to those of age. 2/
navytowel
I mean, they'll ask SOME questions, they are doctors. 3/
munchmunchmunch
It is quite permanent just like my tattoo. Is going to take a while until tubes tied at a young age is deemed culturally okay. Which SUCKS
psycholologist
I started asking for sterilization at 16. Was told "no" for the next 15 years (and, ofc, that I'd change my mind). Husband got snipped (1/2)
psycholologist
after 1 convo. Was never told he would be "mutilating his body" or asked if his partner was okay with it. (2/2)
bourbonandbaddecisions
I had a vasectomy 20 years ago. I had to fight for it because I was young even though I had 2 kids. I couldnt be happier that I did it.
sfrinlan
I fortunately didn't have to argue with my urologist. It was a great decision
jenigrl85
Had all my shit ready to go with my scheduled C-section to get tubes tied but went into labor 3 weeks early & out of state. PA is backwards.
jenigrl85
Wouldn’t do a damn thing and now I have to have yet another procedure done.
TickleMeTessa
I tried to get a hysterectomy at 32 and was told it would not be covered by insurance as it was not medically necessary. Would have been $6k
Barredrockcat
Cheaper than giving birth.
Linguistix
Took my best friend 5 years to get a hysterectomy, despite being in constant pain, because doctors were concerned shed want children
Linguistix
Her own thoughts did not matter, as she was 18 when first seeking a hysterectomy and she had neither a father no husband.
houndinghell
Was in horrific daily pain from uterine problems, couldn't get any help for ten years. Finally contacted a surgeon who specializes in the 1/
houndinghell
lower abdomen. He heard me out and I got my hysterectomy without a fuss. Highly recommend bypassing reproductive specialists entirely.
admiralawesome4213
just a hypothetical, if a gun has more rights than women, isnt it more effective to just shoot your rapist than put up with them for life?
sfrinlan
Just show up to their place and pull a Rittenhouse
ILoveSpicyPeople
It makes me angry that men have this opinion. How about you fight for us the way you’d fight if you needed to pay child support @ conception
JiffyGee
Have a friend who has kids. She has really bad endometriosis. She just wants everything taken out. (She’s around my age, 40) and the docs….
JiffyGee
have refused because she might want more kids. She’s like no I have two I do not want more period. They still refuse.
NickRivieraMD
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Djia_WkrVO3S4jKn6odNwQk7pOcpcL4x00FMNekrb7Q/htmlview
missiletowe12
Many doctors won't do tggat as elective surgery. 'You're still young, might change your mind!'
wadenelson
MD's refuse because many women DO change their minds.
puffyjacket69
You'd be surprised how many will do it in countries that aren't Republican Nazi shit holes.
minipancho94
theres reddits and other resources to find doctors that will! but many see the op as a liability and dont want to risk it. the decent 1/2
minipancho94
dr's/offices will at least direct you to someone who is willing, or the aforementioned resources though. shits tricky for dudes too. 2/2
abarukajou
abarukajou
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Djia_WkrVO3S4jKn6odNwQk7pOcpcL4x00FMNekrb7Q/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABgbyEz80%2Aki0mctT40bBlN9NCf
DukeDarkwood
I see. What do they say when a man asks for a vasectomy?
missiletowe12
Half the time, you're young, might change your mind. They're DOCTORS, and know better than we do.
SeanBeanJovi
My husband got one last year. All he had to do was ask. No bs about changing his mind about wanting more kids or needing my permission.
DukeDarkwood
Mmm. Sounds like a double standard, to me.
Willowknowsall
It's like fuuuuuhhhhck you fuck you I don't want fucking kids at all or after 1 kid or whatever it's my choice FN puke
mazelt0vc0ckt4il
Yeah, it's really bad google stories & you'll find a lot of them will ask or even require the husband's consent.
Burke616
And then there are doctors who, even if wife and husband are both saying, "yes, do the procedure," refuse.
mazelt0vc0ckt4il
Which is BS because I'm 90% certain there isn't any kind of law that requires a husband's consent or prohibits the procedure
Burke616
I share your certainty.
navytowel
So your body belongs to someone you haven't even met yet. Awesome.
nukesontheway
Their defense is that they Woman might sue them if she changes her mind of something, don’t they carry insurance for that anyway?
DarkAurori
You can't sue for changing your mind from a decision you made as an adult. A simple waiver is all it takes.
whoisyourdaddy
I am kind of surprised a bunch of young women have not bonded together to provide a rock solid alibi for a young talented female sniper.
feryooday
My OBGYN kept dodging the question when I mentioned it. I was having horrible pelvic pain with no clear reason so I wanted everything out -
feryooday
- he was willing to do surgery and we found out it was 3 cysts on my cervix. Why couldn’t we have just also sterilized me?
NomDeImguerre
That's entirely in line with their goals. In fact, very likely we will soon see legislation forcing this on what they deem as 'undesirables'
sfrinlan
It really doesn't seem like much of a leap before we're at eugenics again
NomDeImguerre
... What do you think the 'Great race replacement theory" is? We're there already, son.
sfrinlan
Ha, well, besides GRT being nonsense, I think eugenics entails selective sterilization and prescribed breeding, not just immigration
NomDeImguerre
Eugenics is nonsense, and you do realize that banning abortion is quite literally prescribed breeding, right? And they say as much.
sfrinlan
Yeah, isn't that literally what I said? We're on the way to full on eugenics? I didn't say eugenics was good or made sense
HelaSisterOfThor
I couldn't get my doctor to do it. I already have a child. Was told "no" for years and every year greeted at my annual exam with "so when's
CruiseMad
Get a new doctor. https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors << access list who will do it without the bullshit
HelaSisterOfThor
I love my new doctor. Woman about my age (late 30s). She explains absolutely everything and all of your options.
HelaSisterOfThor
The next baby?" He's no longer my doctor.
liltortellini
At 19, at a new patient annual the older male gyn says “so when are you going to let me deliver a baby?!” Like, I don’t even know you??
HelaSisterOfThor
Ewwwww what an assclown
sfrinlan
Gross. Good call dumping that clown
Hefelump
As a Dr, this disgusts me. They are your tubes. If you want them tied, he has to explain risks/benefits. After that, if you want them tied
Hefelump
Then he needs to STFU and tie them. End of conversation
TheFrostyOak
I have 5 children. My 5th was born this May. When I asked about sterilization I was still told no because I'm under 35 and "may want more."
notyoubizness
You might be trolling, but if not, why are you taking no as an answer? It is YOUR BODY. YOUR CHIICE. Don't accept less.
TheFrostyOak
I've tried being aggressive about it but was told to respect my doctor's choice on an elective procedure or find another. I live in a rural
TheFrostyOak
area and don't really have the resources to travel so finding a doctor who would be willing to do it is basically something I can't afford.
notyoubizness
That really sucks.
CountryRoadsTakeMeHome127
That is so crazy. I had my tubes tied at 29 and 3/4’s after baby #2. Also, I live in Canada so there’s that.
GadenKerensky
Man, you should just lay down the law, because that's fucked.
TheFrostyOak
I tried being aggro when I got a no while pregnant with my 3rd and was told to either respect my doctor or find another. I live in an area
TheFrostyOak
where the next OB is 2 hours away and I couldn't/can't afford that commute so basically my choices were deal or receive no prenatal care.
GadenKerensky
That's extra fucked.
DaWade
Hold the fuckle up. Y'all can go to your doctor to ask for your tubes to be tied and be told no? The fuck? How's that what if their concern?
TheFrostyOak
Bit late, but yeah. It's considered an elective procedure so they can say no if it's not medically necessary. .__.
DaWade
Wow. That's some utter bullshit. I am so sorry. I had no idea. I thought you could just say "I for sure want no/more kids" and get the ok
Cindex1337
Childfree sub on Reddit keeps track of doctors that will do it anyways. Sucks for anyone that doesn't know about it though.