Materials pale in comparison to time and tallent. Unfortunately people hate paying for the markup those bring. Each of these is worth $1000s in labor hours, but sadly people would scream unfair if they cost $300
Yes. I thought the video was saying "Ugh, I spend all my time making outfits but I don't have any money" and I was thinking "You have to have something to afford all the materials though" (I assumed it was only a hobby)
But I get now that what she is saying she takes losses on her work. I totally agree that they are worth FAR more than what she is selling them for. The cake shoes outfit alone is probably worth $2,000 or more with all the hours she put into it.
Trying to make money as an artist, especially now, is like pulling your own teeth. I did it for 27 years and everytime I'm asked to talk to new artists to give advice, I tell them to do something else. Don't make something you love your job. This world will smear feces and dollar bills on everything you make and you'll learn to hate it, and in the end few respect you or your work anyway. Make it because you love it, don't hang a price tag on it.
Because it will likely sell at a loss. If you charged a skilled artist price of $20 an hour (debate all you want if that is too low, this is an example) and this took 100 hours, you won't find a customer willing to pay $2000. Selling it for $500 doesn't pay you for the work and people will still complain about the price
(her) *spends hours making product using skills she spent years honing* (potential buyer) I don't understand why you want $3000 for this. The materials only cost like $200
It's a hobby and does not need to be monetised. You pay to do the thing you enjoy. Earnings often tend to muddy those waters and enjoyment gets replaced with expectations and goals set by others than yourself. It's fine to enjoy things for the sake of what they are irrespective of them not paying the bills. That's what jobs are for.
As someone who makes cosplay, I can tell you that it's not because we don't want to sell our work, it's because no one is able (or just willing) to pay for said work. Each of the outfits we see here would be bare minimum thousands of dollars, probably multiple thousands. There just aren't enough people with desire and enough disposable income.
It's always so sad, because so many cosplayers create such amazing work, but yeah the amount of hours that go into it basically make it too valuable to sell to the people who want it.
i dont think you understand certain communities. 2-3 of those tops were mermaid themed. the mermaiding community spends thousands... my wife spent 4k this year on mermaid tails/tops.
On average, an average suit in my community is somewhere in the $1k-$2k range, and the award winning suits I know of are significantly more than that. My community is also more mainstream than the mermaid community (which is a loss, the mermaids do fantastic work) but the number of people willing to spend several thousand dollars on what we make just isn't there. There's a reason why I make my own stuff, I can't afford to pay someone else to do it.
I can believe that. I think the market for people willing to pay proper amounts (not Spirit Halloween amounts) is pretty small. On top of being willing and able to spend on them, you also have to beat the other vendors in the space, so you have to have a big body of work and great marketing/SEO.
The few makers I know that do make money, do so off commissions, and those are few and far between. I've done fewer than five, and I've been at this since 2009.
That is doable, and I've met a few. Apparently it's a very difficult space to get into, and it mostly looks like the video above, post about the build, maybe the build process, and production photos once it's done. So far as I know, people who make money doing cosplay mostly do it off of ad revenue.
There's also creating costumes for movies and TV shows. With how well fan costumes come out better than Hollywood costumes, they can become a name directors go to for costumes.
Unfortunately not. I do cosplay for a fairly niche community, but one that had a well known TV show that lasted a couple seasons. I can tell you for a fact, and with photos, that what I make is SIGNIFICANTLY better quality, and far more expensive. With very few exceptions, what you see on TV is significantly less quality than you think it is. The name of the game in that space is 'good enough and cheap' which doesn't describe the average cosplay maker.
Poppypoppoppop
You can still go compete
vintagebroad
Very talented
Rishingo
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1Z3c5ZjlmaGhpOGQ1azBmaTN2NmJ3ZW52dTB4Znhvd2JiNGY2d2hiZiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/St3AakqduFzTH7RJEB/200w.webp
svga
"Butt Money"?
Guantanamobaae
Is everything cake now?
Pistolstar86
You might have to build a few closets with all those costumes
PurifiedInTheWatersOfLakeMinnetonka
Anything but money, huh? You don’t make outfits like that without disposable income.
KawaiiInari
I highly, HIGHLY doubt she has no money. The materials alone for just one of those outfits are costly.
SarcasticComment
Materials pale in comparison to time and tallent. Unfortunately people hate paying for the markup those bring. Each of these is worth $1000s in labor hours, but sadly people would scream unfair if they cost $300
KawaiiInari
Yes. I thought the video was saying "Ugh, I spend all my time making outfits but I don't have any money" and I was thinking "You have to have something to afford all the materials though" (I assumed it was only a hobby)
But I get now that what she is saying she takes losses on her work. I totally agree that they are worth FAR more than what she is selling them for. The cake shoes outfit alone is probably worth $2,000 or more with all the hours she put into it.
TripleDane
Man girls get to wear so fancy pretty stuff sometimes...
PosthumousExile
You could too if you weren't a coward
MuttMinder
Nothing is stopping you, my friend...except maybe your critical inner voice. But fuck that guy. Do what brings you joy.
TripleDane
Fuck that guy especially...
MaybeIllDisappear
I want a fancy Pomni outfit
brattysubsam
I want to see how these are actually made
Treforce
I want the time to actually see the finished dress witjout the need to freeze frame.
lostinthoughts
From what I can see on her Youtube, she uses Worbla and something like modelling clay
ISayShenanigans
Why not make money? She obviously has the skills to pay the bills.
hyptosis
Trying to make money as an artist, especially now, is like pulling your own teeth. I did it for 27 years and everytime I'm asked to talk to new artists to give advice, I tell them to do something else. Don't make something you love your job. This world will smear feces and dollar bills on everything you make and you'll learn to hate it, and in the end few respect you or your work anyway. Make it because you love it, don't hang a price tag on it.
SarcasticComment
Because it will likely sell at a loss. If you charged a skilled artist price of $20 an hour (debate all you want if that is too low, this is an example) and this took 100 hours, you won't find a customer willing to pay $2000. Selling it for $500 doesn't pay you for the work and people will still complain about the price
sadurdaynight
(her) *spends hours making product using skills she spent years honing* (potential buyer) I don't understand why you want $3000 for this. The materials only cost like $200
gawdhawly
It's a hobby and does not need to be monetised. You pay to do the thing you enjoy. Earnings often tend to muddy those waters and enjoyment gets replaced with expectations and goals set by others than yourself. It's fine to enjoy things for the sake of what they are irrespective of them not paying the bills. That's what jobs are for.
lukavago13
As someone who makes cosplay, I can tell you that it's not because we don't want to sell our work, it's because no one is able (or just willing) to pay for said work. Each of the outfits we see here would be bare minimum thousands of dollars, probably multiple thousands. There just aren't enough people with desire and enough disposable income.
TheZerax
It's always so sad, because so many cosplayers create such amazing work, but yeah the amount of hours that go into it basically make it too valuable to sell to the people who want it.
Phlyn
i dont think you understand certain communities. 2-3 of those tops were mermaid themed. the mermaiding community spends thousands... my wife spent 4k this year on mermaid tails/tops.
lukavago13
On average, an average suit in my community is somewhere in the $1k-$2k range, and the award winning suits I know of are significantly more than that. My community is also more mainstream than the mermaid community (which is a loss, the mermaids do fantastic work) but the number of people willing to spend several thousand dollars on what we make just isn't there. There's a reason why I make my own stuff, I can't afford to pay someone else to do it.
sfrinlan
I can believe that. I think the market for people willing to pay proper amounts (not Spirit Halloween amounts) is pretty small. On top of being willing and able to spend on them, you also have to beat the other vendors in the space, so you have to have a big body of work and great marketing/SEO.
lukavago13
The few makers I know that do make money, do so off commissions, and those are few and far between. I've done fewer than five, and I've been at this since 2009.
ISayShenanigans
I was thinking more about selling pictures and calendars like those other cosplayers, nothing OF-dirty. There are people who would stuff like that.
lukavago13
That is doable, and I've met a few. Apparently it's a very difficult space to get into, and it mostly looks like the video above, post about the build, maybe the build process, and production photos once it's done. So far as I know, people who make money doing cosplay mostly do it off of ad revenue.
ISayShenanigans
There's also creating costumes for movies and TV shows. With how well fan costumes come out better than Hollywood costumes, they can become a name directors go to for costumes.
lukavago13
Unfortunately not. I do cosplay for a fairly niche community, but one that had a well known TV show that lasted a couple seasons. I can tell you for a fact, and with photos, that what I make is SIGNIFICANTLY better quality, and far more expensive. With very few exceptions, what you see on TV is significantly less quality than you think it is. The name of the game in that space is 'good enough and cheap' which doesn't describe the average cosplay maker.
ISayShenanigans
Well, now that's a shame Hollywood goes with the "good 'n cheap" route!