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Food Labeling Requirements:
UK: https://www.gov.uk/food-labelling-and-packaging/ingredients-list
Australia: https://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consumer/labelling/ingredients/Pages/default.aspx
Netherlands: https://www.blenheim.nl/en/blog/labelling-rules-dutch-food-products
America: https://www.fda.gov/media/81606/download
I’m not saying don’t eat it, do as you wish but remember everything in moderation. Because all these extra ingredients/additives can’t be great for our overall health overtime. Inferior products and still no healthcare for all...America...smh. Our whole system, values and priorities are super fucked up! (◞‸◟；)
ImNotDumbIJustPlayOne
The “Food Babe” is one of the dumbest F...ING stupidist ppl online figures to have ever existed @OP.
SquonkGonzalesAttorneyatLaw
Food babe is a quack peddling snake oil and conspiracy theories, as are you now.
WhattaYaLookingFor
But the lists are correct and I find it astounding, that the Americans are defending their “food” with claws and teeth.
TheLazyAfricanLion
Vani Hari is the Food Babe - look her up on RationalWiki or SkepticalEnquirer. She's quite the nutjob. Do not forward her lies.
CyborgScribe
If she's posting a real literal ingrediant list it isnt lies. The preservative cancer claim is suspect however.
butttrumpet
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
HalstenTorqThorkelson
I will say that US Mountain Dew tastes better than the stuff you get in Australia, and I say that as an Aussie.
ScarecrowSticks
We don't have good vegemite tho
verdenvidia
nobody does
ILovedUnicornsFirst
I tried that one time. I won’t say it’s the worst thing I’ve ever eaten, but escargot was better.... and it was not good.
KingBanana8008
I mean you shouldn’t eat Cadbury Cream Eggs no matter where you are from
Counterfit
Chocolate or caramel are so much better than the cream
cereza570
Sugar, sugar, sugar, salt, fat, sugar
Jackofslayers
That also describes the UK items
lordbucket
Some of that length is just phrasing. Check Twix. US lists chocolate/filling/flour ingredients seperately. UK is all one list.
Kuvajainen
Correct, Finland lists them separately too. But USA Twix doesn't taste the same as European Twix. It's really weird.
pandro
The phrasing is subtle "advertising." Parents started looking at labels and don't like yo see "sugar" as the first ingredient. So they 1/
pandro
say "milk chocolate" (then admit its' top ingredient is sugar), and use a lot of "high fructose corn syrup" as sweetener instead of 2/
pandro
having to say SUGAR. Noticed in ketchup they list "high fructose corn syrup" AND corn syrup. My childhood Fruity Pebbles were outed 3/
pandro
as being over 50% sugar and mom never bought it again. When you buy "Juicy Juice" it says "no sugar added." It's pure juice right? 4/
pandro
well, not exactly. the various concentrates on the list (grape concentrate, apple concentrate, whatever) are "concentrated" down until 5/
TheMechanick
FDA needs some reform but I'd like an attorney opinion on reporting requirements for each nation listed. Unfortunately I doubt they're alike
shorr
Why attorney? They're not experts on the ingredients. EU has legislation for ingredients, so those are alike.
2graves
A lot of the length is due to explaining exactly what an interest is. This is misleading at best
Siliconhobbit
I'm curious if this is a case of US law forcing manufacturers to list ALL ingredients, where-as other countries may not have similar laws.
WashingtonQuarter
It is. The FDA is incredibly strict. For example, you can't sell minestrone in the US and say "vegetables", you need to list all of them.
candiduscorvus
I read these labels, knowing what these things actually are, and I don’t find the American ones to be less healthy. They’re about equal.
KalteKartoffeln
Big words = scary. Same shit antivaxxers peddle
candiduscorvus
It is exactly the same thing antivaxxers preach.
Mithi
What about the artificial colors? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azo_dye#Safety_and_regulation
SlightlyRelatedToThePost
"...the production of benzidine azo dyes was discontinued in the 1980s..."
Mithi
Yes, but there are other azo dyes besides benzidine, otherwise it wouldn't made sense that the EU banned some in 2003
SpotMeBro
#1 Man you guys got it better! Whey protein in regular candy, I have to pay extra just to get a "sports" version of that.
Obietrice
The FDA has different standards of what is to be labeled...
ChickenFingerFingers
Just gonna say, I lived overseas twice and each time I lost weight with zero effort.
Counterfit
Portion size probably plays I to that as well
butttrumpet
Same. 15-20 pounds dropped almost immediately when I lived in AUS and UK. Almost immediately returned when I came back.
RobertZimmermanWasRight
High fructose corn syrup, that’s your main problem. There are studys showing it’s as bad as alc to the liver when consumed in large amounts
RobertZimmermanWasRight
And don’t forget about obesity
PoliticalWanderer
1) As someone who lives near a store that imports from the UK, the chocolate tastes so much fucking better over there. Even something as
PoliticalWanderer
2) simple as a Kit Kat bar tastes like a whole different product because the quality is so much better.
ScarecrowSticks
Korean imports, what's your take?
EtherealRune
I've never tried, is it worth the effort to obtain? what do you suggest if so
ScarecrowSticks
Idk it's available here in many shops, I like it but is it better in quality than American
DrLOAC
Umm Food Babe? Really? She thought airlines were cheaping out by pumping mixed O2 and N2 (otherwise known as air) instead of pure O2.
NaturalProgressionGaming
Yeah! Ignore all information because of the source! Rabble Rabble Rabble!
alaest0r
The comment section has briefly restored my faith in humanity. Lots of critical thinking and citations...
TheflyPrince
Yeah I instantly discredited this whole thing as soon as I saw that name.
snooch2thegouch
So title should read "WTF Food Babe"?
Hmuda
She is even less scientifically literate than a creationist.
Captainawesomething
OOooooo
scrubtastic115
Wtf is a food babe?
briham86
A pseudoscientific scam artist posing as a nutrition blogger.
Scotia
There is a difference though. Bread and cereals are much sweeter in the US. I bought some Special K when in MN coz I was sick of the 1/2
Scotia
Oh, and US peanut butter is like pure sugar. I couldn't even eat the stuff!
Scotia
Sweetness of everything. And I couldn't believe how sugary it was. It is just not at all sweet in any way in UK. Saw many more examples. 2/2
TheFallenTwo
For anyone that doesn't quite understand why they don't use pure O2, it's because O2 is toxic in high concentrations and needs to be diluted
billyrayvirus
It is not toxic. That's why you can get treated with pure O2 at the hospital. It does make everything more combustible though.
2074red2074
It's also explosive.
TheCrankyCow
That and they just use air from outside.
kk4c
You need at least 1.6 atmospheres of pure oxygen before it becomes potentially toxic. But it makes everything burn like crazy at sea level
VincentV189
Looking at these lists, alot of them are very similar and just boil down to different standards in reporting ingredients.
daychilde
Note the mountain dew has juice..... In the us. But not uk
JStengah
The biggest and most concerning difference is that we in the US put corn syrup in damn near everything instead of sugar.
CyborgScribe
Well...plus the genuine overabudnance of corn syrup in US food.
neozuno
Yes it looks like the US requirements are more strict.
bostwickenator
Sugars tend to be a couple of places higher up the list in the US versions. That confirms my experience of moving here, much sweeter food.
Blud4BludGod
A more interesting comparison to me would be the strata of junk food directly below what is presented here- specifically, the kind of...
Blud4BludGod
...cheap crap that has boatloads of hydrogenated oils in it in the States. If the equivalent foreign comparisons were devoid of that...
Blud4BludGod
...specific ingredient, it would be a meaningful difference in healthfulness. I believe this is actually the case, as well- they've...
Blud4BludGod
...fallen out of usage more in European countries than in the states, supposedly. Interesting to me that she could have actually made her...
lazerfrog
I was thinking that. A few have itemised colourings for the US but not the other
shorr
Which ones?
LtcMaker
COLOURING? In MY pink Cereal? Impossible!
C0baltBlue
I have to write ingredient declarations (UK) and these are mostly because the UK and Aus products are using fruit and veg concentrates...
C0baltBlue
While the US are artificial Azo dyes. A lot of the decs come from listing vitamins as well, which might not be listed in UK decs as the...
C0baltBlue
Levels are too low. We also just put "flavourings" rather than "artificial flavourings" and a bunch of other small differences.
Velisity
Biggest tragedy is nutella. My mom got some as a kid after she visited Germany. It had like 0 sugar and tasted like burnt hazelnuts.
Velisity
Got some for me as a kid*
stevencloser
I can assure you our Nutella does not have 0 sugar.
Mithi
eh, no that wasn't Nutella. That (and it's clones) are very sugary here too.
ChickenChickenBurningBright
US food science tears ingredients into pieces and then puts them back together in different combos to tweak taste and production cost. also
natio2
Yeah, I might be mistaken but it just looks like USA ingredient lists just have to be more specific but are listing the same things?
TallDude
"Spice and Herb extracts" in UK, "Spice, Onion Powder, Natural Flavors" in US. Yup.
verdenvidia
I believe that is true.
ChickenChickenBurningBright
they use combinations of different types of sugar so they get moved down the ingredient list. they don't want sugar to be the first.
ChickenChickenBurningBright
but it's not like the UK versions are any healthier for you. they're both all sugar and carbs.
butttrumpet
You are kidding right?
ChickenChickenBurningBright
did you not look at the ingredient list? is there anything in the first 3 ingredients that isn't sugar or carbs?
itsahorse
Not everybody loves sugary flavour either. But it's almost everywhere.
crankyoldgeezer
This is what our politicians mean by less regulation. Poison food, water & air.
dogsarebetterthancats33
Is it?
thehumanoidsarecoming
It's really increased over the last 40 years, and its not just the ingredients. We stopped joining watchdog organizations
crankyoldgeezer
Yes! As a boomer I’m sad how poor young middle class families are compared to us in the 70’s.
FractalShadows
"Profits over people" should be the motto of today's American govt
TheThirdDay
*today's America.
Goldensands
Yep, the ppl are proud of that policy. Fuck us man! I’ll be rich someday anyway, fking poor people can go away!
itsthevoiceman
Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqOwBX5xD8o
BaklavaMatatas
Same with beauty products btw. Company had to heavily reformulate and drop toxins so we could sell them in the EU zone
SomeDetroitGuy
In nearly every case, these are exactly the same recipes but the US requires more detailed reporting.
St3v3Wh0
If I remember correctly, the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) requires actual chemical names of non-raw food ingredients.
St3v3Wh0
Info can be found here: https://www.fda.gov/food/food-labeling-nutrition
Hreinyday
Sure but some of the ingredients used in the US are banned in EU
Excitabletuba
I think you are correct, but do you have a source?
St3v3Wh0
Info can be found here: https://www.fda.gov/food/food-labeling-nutrition
SJohnson23
We’re looking for a source that backs your claim that they’re the same. You think there aren’t regulations in the EU to label ingredients?
St3v3Wh0
Here’s an article about what’s wrong with the post. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-vani-hart-the-food-babe-is-wrong-2015-4
GreatHair
But higher profits! *laughs in villain*
yomahnn
realRonaldDump
That is the plan
Chikun31
The health effects section on the wiki page for BHT is a mess of [citation needed]. Y'all need to chill with getting crap from Instagram.
A2DY79
This.
nattfilm
I just find it fascinating that a lot of stuff can be made without half the things in the American ones, synthetic or not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
passiveaggressivesesquipedalian
Not really. A large portion of the difference is labeling requirements not ingredients.
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SciGuy
That hasn't been true for many years.
AlphaVirus2g
Care to expound on this?
GerhardVonScharnhorst
The US and UK products are exactly the same - in the UK they just don't have to tell you all the minor ingredients
Shloobs
"But the pretty social media lady said big words make food bad!"
jotchy
A lot of those big word ingredients make food taste terrible, I understand the actual health issue is exaggerated,but I still rather have...
jotchy
...Good tasting food vacant of natural ingredients and some corn starch sweetener
SciGuy
When claims like that are tested they tend to turn out false.
Hezaethox
People prefer real sugar over high fructose corn syrup though. It's very noticeable too, just do a blind taste of Mexican coke vs USA coke
Hezaethox
The soda of course :p
hhggg3000
If I eat BHT I get a headache. Been that way since I was a kid. Ate some cereal at someones house without reading the ingredients a few 1/
hhggg3000
...years ago. An hour or so later, bam splitting headache. Read the box, BHT. I understand this isn’t empirical evidence of anything.
manolyk23
Almost everything posted is junk food. There are plenty of options for healthy food here. I literally have not one of those things in house.
verdenvidia
The soup isn't junk, though the oatmeal toes the line. Everything else, yes. I need to cut back myself.
manolyk23
That’s why I said almost everything. But there are healthier options for soup too. And the oatmeal isn’t fair cause they are dif products.
OnePieceRoboFranky
Working at a food manufacturing plant has opened my eyes as to what we put in stuff for US consumption 1 /
OnePieceRoboFranky
/ 2 vs what we put in towards going to another country such as Canadia or the UK.
aDodecahedron
I’d be really interested to hear more about your experiences that made you realize this
BlueskydragonFX
Yup, That's the reason why even EU fast food restaurants are more expensive then the US version. Less chems more fresh food.
Jackofslayers
Less bad chems like dihydrogen monoxide?
SuckerOfFun
Corn production is heavily subsidized by the US government so almost everything has corn in it in some way.
Goldensands
You say that like it’s not fkd up
Zhopa101
MONEY! Republicans and MONEY!!!
SoraHjort
And cane sugar production if I recall is taxed up the wazoo. or something along those lines.
abraxa
Yup, to protect the corn farmers and the corn processing industries.
SSon1c
almost everything is corny then...
UnremarkablyInteresting
The coke classic theory about that is they made new coke taste bad so as they could switch to using corn syrup with people noticing
UnremarkablyInteresting
So coke classic tasted more like the old coke but was cheaper to make.
ronNhyde
I work in Product Development and this is way more concerning than the "weird chemicals". Money talks and corporations are listening.
ronNhyde
You will start to see some of the largest offenders respond in small ways very soon.
HaydukeLivesGoddamnit
Thank you Iowa Caucus. May you rot in irrelevancy.
pm1001
Even petrol has corn in it
FurtiveGlancer
Gatorjon
The price of corn effects the price of almost everything. That's why we saw increases in food price from ethanol incentives to farmers.
FurtiveGlancer
Love how our taxes end up as corn subsidies and end up killing us...
PossiblyNotAGoblin
corn is used to fatten animals up...
NyanDroid
The internet is for corn
Fairbas
TheFidlinDidler
Holy shit. EVERYTHINGS ON A COB!!! GET BACK IN THE FUKKIN SHIP MORTY!!!!
SomeDetroitGuy
In European countries, they have less rigorous labeling laws so they can call corn syrup sugar.
GSCultist
https://www.livestrong.com/article/464851-why-is-high-fructose-corn-syrup-banned-in-europe/ Corn syrup is actually in limited use.
Avientar
Not really, if you want to be precise it's isoglucose, but it's rarely used. Sugar in Europe is made from beetroots or sugar reed
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Beetroot is the red stainy thing to me. I've heard the sugar crop called sugar beet.
Avientar
And you would be correct. The red stainy thing and sugar beet are both beetroots, just different kind. According to my language description
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Where are you from? I've never heard sugarcane called sugar reed.
OmaHans
afaik it has to be labeled as isoglucose or glucose-fructose syrup and EU lowered its standards 2017 by making it easier to put itin ourfood
passiveaggressivesesquipedalian
This. A lot of that difference in length is named not ingredients. (Not all but a lot. )
laiskamato
No.
passiveaggressivesesquipedalian
Garbage is garbage, doesn’t matter which syrup. Non of this is ‘food’
3crowsBeast
Thank you. "Eat whole foods, mostly veggies." My personal cheats are a fortnightly bowl of All Bran, it's delish.
TheCalmLlama
High fructose corn syrup is banned in the UK because of how horrible it is for you
JustBrowsingHere
Not banned, just production capped. Although is is seen in a lot more negitive light then in the US.
Bones147
How horrible is it for you? I have heard a million tines that it's bad, but never been given real science.
TheCalmLlama
As well as all of the negative aspects of sugar it suppresses the production of the hormone lectin (which is responsible for making you 1/2
TheCalmLlama
Full leading to lots of people overeating due to it. It is responsible for, in the usa, the overconsumption of fructose by 40g a day (90%+)
dspillett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM is a good place to start. But that are _many_ papers and lectures that are easy to find. [2/2]
dspillett
In that clip, skip to ~44m22 specifically for the different metabolising of glucose & fructose (& ethanol for reference) and why it matters.
dspillett
The body processes it in much the same way as alcohol, so lots of it will stress the liver in much the same way as drinking lots. [1/2]
TeleportingDonkeys
Fructose is only broken down by the liver, cant be used more broadly like glucose. So all fructose has to head there. That causes a...
Bones147
Thanks! I wish more people would provide information like this when making statements like "HFCS is bad."
TeleportingDonkeys
No worries. In such small chunks its hard to explain much but thats the summary. Vegetable oil is another health issue you might dig into to
TeleportingDonkeys
A very high local spike in sugar levels that really cant be exported because for most HFCS comes with an otherwise high sugar/carb diet...
TeleportingDonkeys
You liver doesnt want the high sugar levels either and opts to store it as fat on site. To much and you end up with fatty liver...
orbitn
First time i went to the UK i was dashing around trying to make it from the airport to a train. Grabbed a soda and tried to chug it like >
orbitn
any american would. I never finished that soda. Something about it kept me from being able to just guzzle it down my food hole. And I >
orbitn
drank far fewer sodas while i was there. Partly because of the judgement of my british friend.
Malsbury
I will never how many Trumpers realise that subsidies are are a definitive definition of socialism.
ComicPi
Same with milk in AU, it sucks being a vegan because all the vegetarian food is held together with milk
dafwinj
Our cows have corn in them. Cows don’t eat corn so we cut holes in them and pull it out of one of the stomachs
kokichiioumaa
I think in America they’re forced to put down every last ingredient, if I’m not mistaken.
pnukrok
It is mandatory to have the all ingredients listed on the packages in EU. At least in Finland it is.
Sakkura
They do in Europe as well.
MrInternationalWorldwide
In England you have to list everything. They even put stickers over some product packaging from America that claims "it is healthy".
Wolfshead009
This. US labeling requirements are different. I highly doubt so many companies are going to have different recipes in other countries.
AbhainnFuil
2 reasons for different recipes, cost and shelf life, where an allowable ingredient enhances one of these they will use it.
Gaiashining
Many ingredients in USA food are banned in the EU. But don’t worry, our corrupt politicians in U.K. want us to eat this shit too so they <
Gaiashining
> can capitalise on ‘healthcare ‘.
TobyOGraphics
Makes sense that’s why they’re banning the ads until after 9 right?
Gaiashining
What child needs to see ads, they are bombarded with this shit everywhere they go.
khora
In EU you need to prove artificial ingredients are safe. In US you need to not prove they are unsafe.
Sakkura
Different recipes in different countries is very common. Even happens from one EU country to the next.
TheOnlyCanadianWhoDoesNotLikeHockey
TLDR: American food regulations are shit and their mass produced products are more than a little disgusting
RobertZimmermanWasRight
Wait till you hear about pink slime
TheRealAlpharius
But the obesity is from all the nutrition! It's proof of how good we're doing /s
Theory89
And the diabeetus
Corrodias
The regulations require ingredients to be reported differently. They're not shit, and they're not better; they're just different.
Corrodias
For example, what do you think the "spice and herb extracts and also more spice" in the UK ketchup are? And it also has sugar.
SomeDetroitGuy
It's actually the opposite. US food regulations are more strict and require more detailed ingredient lists.
AlfredGaebeli
Nope.
Sanityisrelative
No, it isn't. US Food regulations are "prove it's unsafe and we'll act" EU food regs are "prove it's safe so you can use it"
Sakkura
EU food regulations are generally stricter, and require just as detailed ingredient lists.
buddhafw
Um check again, some of those ingredients in the eu stuff are manufactured items, that have their own ingredients, whoch aren't listed.
Sakkura
Just like HFCS consists of multiple ingredients (fructose and glucose primarily)
LoganSlimc0ck
Was thinking the same thing. Look at the minestrone soup u.s. vs aus. U.s. has to name every individual vegetable, aus just says vegetables.
AlfredGaebeli
Bullshit! It clearly does list ALL veggies.
ThinkingOfOneTakesTooLong
I like how it list "natural flavors" as an ingredient...this and what everyone else has said makes me highly skeptical of the source image
EveryNameIsTakenDammit
It...it totally lists all the vegetables, dude.
LoganSlimc0ck
Wow, I read "vegetables" as ingredient number one and just went over to the u.s. version to compare. What. An. Idiot. *Facepalm*
EveryNameIsTakenDammit
RobertZimmermanWasRight
The most American comment! Facts don’t matter! Say what you feel and take it for real!
MrZev
From a non creditable source tho.
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Theory89
Clearly you have done 0 research because US food is fucked. From repealing bills on safe pesticides to adding all manner of shit. If you...
EveryNameIsTakenDammit
"wasn't accurate but is valid" ...that what you guys mean when you say "alternative facts"?
Krakencrotch
That's why Europe has a raging obesity epidem- oh wait.
KalteKartoffeln
https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/noncommunicable-diseases/obesity/data-and-statistics there is, ass
Finain
Have you tasted the UK and EU versions of Mountain Dew? I'd rather drink pee
Pentacus
Of course youd rather drink pee, it's mountain dew.
Finain
I can at least appreciate this comment, +1. However mtn dew is amazing so fuck you <3
verdenvidia
I don't mind regular as long as it's cold. Pepsi is similar. Diet both is trash. I'm gonna stick to DP and Cheerwine.
Finain
Oh diet mountain dew is gross. Code red, and Baja blast are occasional drinks for me. Most flavors part regular are a bit over the top.
Mini007
True!!
DEFINITELYnotSauron
Not enough sugar for ya?
schlummi
Mountain Dew is sold in EU?
Finain
It's called mountain dew energy (at least where I saw it in france) and its completely different. Not remotely similar in taste
GlowGreen
Nah, mountain dew energy is sold here in the states as well, it's a completely different drink.
icyanddicey
Found it a couple of months ago. Finally I could learn why people drink it. Didn't learn.
SomeDetroitGuy
What people don't understand is that these are all examples of American regulations being stricter and requiring more detail.
stevencloser
More use of artificial colors and flavors instead of natural ones, more preservatives, corn syrup instead of sugar. That is the main thing.
A2DY79
That's actually /partly/ true, except for the corn syrup. The US gov subsidizes everything corn related, (ethanol, etc) so it's everywhere.
IamfunatpartiesIknow
Lol
Mithi
Not completely true. See the colors for example.
AbhainnFuil
No, the regs on listing are much the same, the regs on what you can put in the food are much different.
fem26345
Yeaaaah.. ?
shorr
Which one has more detail? They seem to more or less go same level, but different stuff. US allows a lot more that's banned in EU. I'm not
shorr
saying all here is bad (or well, junk is junk), but level of detail doesn't seem to be the case
deathandtaxes1
Why do y’all chlorinate your chicken? No nation in the EU does.
SuperPickle17
US doesn't require vaccinations. EU does.
squidPilot
In Sweden they water the chicken to weight more, to make more money
SteelDragonKiryu
This is common in the US as well
A2DY79
Because it's scientifically proven as harmless, and makes the chicken both safer to eat and cheaper to process.
Battle4ngel
It's because chlorinating is simply *cheaper* than maintaining a high quality processing environment as is required by law in the EU.
Battle4ngel
The higher ratio of food poisoning in the US unfortunately renders chlorine wash more of an illusion of safety.
A2DY79
All the bitching about chlorinated chicken is basically just a way other countries use to protect local poultry producers.
Battle4ngel
It's a way for the EU to protect consumers' health. Compare salmonella rates between US and EU and you'll see.
Battle4ngel
The only issue is that lots of people don't understand the issue. It's not chlorine wash itself that is unsafe, but the conditions it allows
A2DY79
The US has an average of ~60,000 reported cases each year. The EU averages ~90,000 cases.
schlummi
Nope, it is a different safety standards. In US production can be pretty dirty and you wash it off at the end of production. EU requires
A2DY79
I'm not the one downvoting you, but yes. Chlorine washing allows for (safely) washing a greater quantity of chickens by less human hands.
schlummi
clean production. Outcome is the same. Or should be. Food poisioning seems to be more common in US.
MushroomFiend
While our food is a lot more unhealthy than Europe's, this source seems a little dubious. Im not going to just believe something on Imgur.
lauraInternetJunkie
Quick some Americans and Europeans post food ingrédients so we can check
GMark
Whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy. I read it on the internet. The internet. It has to be true.
raminagrobis
It's pretty easy to google (which is probably what she did). I checked the Twix and Heinz ketchup ingredient lists, they're real. That being
raminagrobis
said, this kind of industrial food is unhealthy everywhere in the world, including Europe, even if slightly better than in the US.
ferafish
See, the ketchup one is pretty simple though. The US sugar source is corn syrup, which has water in it. So they use boiled down versions of>
ferafish
A2DY79
It IS dubious. The only real difference, health-wise, is the tidal wave of subsidized corn syrup in America. Everything else is quackery.
mopfmopf
BUT the juice! I find it weird that you seem to sell very little proper juice (100% fruit juice), or is it not that way?
slayston
You can always find the 100% juice it just tends to cost more. Some other countries dont have to declare their juice is concentrate either.
SlightlyRelatedToThePost
Even then, sugar is sugar. Corn syrup sugar isn't any worse for you than cane sugar or beet sugar. It's the quantity of sugar that gets ya.
schlummi
Not really. As example is yellow 5 known to trigger multiple allergies and debated to cause ADHD.
A2DY79
Maybe. But none of our government agencies seem to believe that the studies portray a valid or statistically significant risk. Except syrup.
A2DY79
That's the only ingredient that mainstream journals have reached consensus on.
schlummi
US has a different approach when it comes to safety. It's more like: everything is seen as safe, as long as dangers aren't 100% proven. In
kjb72
ADHD is genetic. My son has it and so do his dad and I.
schlummi
ADHD is genetic, yes, but that's not the only cause. There are several factors which can cause it. Environmental factors can cause it, too.
schlummi
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002184/
stevencloser
"debated" by whom? The earth is "debated" to be flat. Are there peer reviewed studies?
schlummi
Don't pretend to be stupid. Debated here stands for a scientific debate. Several studies have linked yellow 5 to adhd.
stevencloser
I'm asking because I know from the artificial sweetener "debate" that the only reason scientists even bother anymore is because of idiots
Frothington
They love their corn syrup.
BanderasForScale
Nothing like the make you fat syrup
butttrumpet
No. But you have to actively search for foods without it. I’ve changed to a whole food diet because of hfcs.
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
HFCS is literally just sugar made from corn.
butttrumpet
Fructose vs sucrose, with some evidence you body (liver) treats them differently - chemically and health wise they are very similar BUT>
butttrumpet
HFCS and other corn based sweeteners are cheap and added to everything! This is what is killing people.
SoraHjort
Companies love the corn syrup... actual consumers actually would prefer cane sugar instead when given the choice.
madeyoulookXD
Its because in the US we have corn subsidies, soe adding corn syrup makes its corn and then they get money from the government.
NachoPete
Also protectionist tariffs on foreign sugar which leads to higher sugar prices.
Coondogg
And an embargo on Cuba which used to be our source of super cheap sugar.
jewson
Dude this list doesn't even have Big Red
DoctorAnimalCannibalPizza
SomeDetroitGuy
The corn syrup is in the European versions but they just call it sugar because it's sugar.
themexicanwave
Totally untrue. EU regs demand only cane sugar can be called sugar and HFCS must be clearly named. Source, I design food packaging.
AlphaVirus2g
Haha awesome you are literally the source
themexicanwave
Exciting shit!! But yeah. EU is VERY strict I food regs which is why I’m even more gutted about brexit. It will allow shit US standards in
InternetPeasantry
Not true. There is an EU regulation that "sugar" can only be used for sucrose. Fructose, glucose and syrups have to be clearly stated.
ExistentialDreadlocks
I was on a tour of a uropean Coca-Cola factory and they showed us the massive bags of white sugar they use instead of corn syrup.
ExistentialDreadlocks
*European. The E is silent.
BaklavaMatatas
That's how they make us stop drinking it when we're kids. Pile up the sugar next to the bottle. I drink coke maybe 3 times a year max