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Zixtank
Anyone who's ever played D&D understands how dangerous a sentient magic item can be.
HandoB4Javert
~ Stephen Colbert
BluePaladin42
It IS a corruption, but that's the point. The Ring can corrupt even the most noble and selfless goals, and it served to highlight all the-
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-more that it HAD to be destroyed, no matter how hopeless the attempt. And after Frodo escaped you can HEAR it in Boromir's voice that he-
BluePaladin42
-has realized this.
sherlockhooves
The man was a wonderful character. I actively look for LotR fanfics where Boromir lives. If I want shameless feel good stories.
GadenKerensky
Look. His death scene is probably one of the best in cinematic history, equal parts heroic and tragic.
DameDePiques
And wasted (story wise, not emotionwise) since the stupid Hobbits just froze and waited way too long before running and got captured anyway.
thepiesthepies
BenderRodriguz1010
Linanz
I’ve been to the exact spot where they filmed his death. It’s not that interesting tbh just a bit of bush.
LegendaryGarf
Always upvote Shorn Born
TheRedshift
Seen Been
iamdeadlol
More like Dead Been, am I right....I'll see myself out.
NSPike
My great-aunt once genuinely thought that's how you said his name and it's been a running joke in the family ever since
aerophex
Shawn Bawn
bril350
Not to rain on this boromir post but i read somewhere that Tolkien said if boromir didnt die he would eventually turn on Aragorn and die?
SinStar87
all I can really find is early drafts boromir was a foil to aragorn. A liar, sneaky, and power-hungry. rewritten in later drafts.
bril350
Ya exactly. If he wasnt written in this way he was gonna go with that and have him challenge aragorn and lose
OhNoNotThatGuyQuickEverybodyHide
Unfortunately we don't really get Boromir's context in the film. So for the people who haven't read the books, his character is corrupt.
JasonThorn
You can see it in THE TWO TOWERS when you get to Minas Tirith and see what kind of father he had in a nation fading from its former glory.
GravyEducation
@Ngugi
scienz
I think this is an appropriate time to request a comment from @ngugi
Ngugi
While I appriciate the overall intent, I find the writer makes own assumptions and it is based on the film portrayal, that is its own 1/3
Ngugi
thing. Book-Boromir was corrupted, lured with dreams of power to save his folk but also to become king himself. JRR pointed to him as an ex
Ngugi
of moral grey (Letter 154), and IMHO neither to lable him a villain or disregard his faults does the complex character justice :) 3/3
scienz
Thank you! You are the BEST!!!
carrotsonfire
Fun fact: Aragorn served under Boromir's grandfather when in disguise as Thorongil. He very likely held baby Boromir in his arms.
LackadasicalGoblin
The scene is amazing in every way. The tragedy, the compassion and love Aragorn shows. No toxic "me male. Me no show emotion."
narniasreal
If Aragorn, son of Arathorn, can gently kiss a dying Boromir's brow, showing emotion can't be unmanly.
247DayDreamer
The Romans considered you unmanly if you *didn't* cry at sad things, such as the death of a comrade. Where this toxic modern idea came from/
247DayDreamer
I have no idea. Furthermore, I have no idea why the character limit on this comment section is still so short, everyone just chains posts/
247DayDreamer
like this anyway.
vauhtihirmu
Iirc the idea developed around the time people started viewing men and women as opposites, instead of being of the same essence as in the(1)
doesntmatter
Well he is like ⅖ elf :P
DameDePiques
A lot less than that, actually. You need to go back before the kings of Gondor, before even the kings of Numenor, to find his elven blood.
Cillellic
Agree with all of this except that he obviously was corrupted by the ring as well. The ring promised him power and hope. But that doesn't
Cillellic
make his story any less sad or his character any less noble. It just proves him even stronger to be able to break away from it in the end
Glamdring
Agreed, the ring ever corrupted the hearts of menfolk. Even Isuldur is corrupted and he is a wise and powerful Numenorean king.
paintingagency
For sure. His obvious unnatural draw to the Ring is terrifying... but we know he thinks he can use it for good. To save everyone. It's...
paintingagency
a reminder of the danger the Ring puts them all in.
RawChristianPotatoe
thats pretty much the whole thing of the ring. It tells you to use it for good and then slowly turns you into a puppet/wraith.
GadenKerensky
"I would use this ring from a desire to do good... But THROUGH me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine."
RawChristianPotatoe
and only hobbits are resistant to abuse the power, bc they are lazy little bastards with zero ambitions except living a lazy life.
LuminoZero
Canonically, the Dwarves were so resistant to the corrupting influence of the Rings of Power that Sauron waged a war to reclaim them.
FallingStar7669
The only thing The Ring could offer Sam was a really big garden. And his response to that was "that's too much work".
JustTheCats
Sure with everything except when they say "he wasn't corrupted". He was. All those things mentioned are how the evil of the ring worms...
JustTheCats
... Into his heart. And that's not a character flaw - it's a magic ring containing the spirit of an evil God. The point is no mere mortal...
JustTheCats
... Can resist it's power and few of the most powerful beings in the world can for long. Look at it another way - that he resisted...
JustTheCats
... To that point is a testament to how strong he is for a human. Most would have grabbed it from the Council the first moment they saw it.
RaZorHamZteR
For me personally the scene that gets me is "My friends, you bow to no one...". Every fuckin time ?
oldmarley
Boromir secret diary: https://www.ealasaid.com/misc/vsd/boromir.html
Glitchoff
"Why isn't aragon into me" hahaha
Mostlydeadpool
stupid aragorn.
Zxaskad
Aragon wore Boromir's bracers after his passing too if memory serves? A momento of a fallen brother
BoromirWasAGoodGuy
Finally, the truth of my username has been spoken. Thank you, and yeah fuck them.
Mostlydeadpool
huzzah. and you're welcome. :)
cosonfused
how can Boromir be both be shat on by his dad, while being out on a pedestal by his dad?
eggmuffin
He wasn't. Boromir was always Denethor's favourite.
Smes
I think your mixing Faramir with Boromir . Faramir got shat on by the father not Boromir.
cosonfused
the text says otherwise
GadenKerensky
I mean, if the Two Towers is any indication, Boromir fucking hated Denethor shitting on Faramir. Remember the flashback? >
GadenKerensky
Boromir: "What?" Faramir: "He's here." Boromir: "One more moment of peace, can he not give us that?" Even Boromir had issues with his father
narniasreal
Denethor must've had a high place to squat on.
GravyEducation
He had Taco Bell so his throne was more of a pyre
Jak8714
Being the 'favorite child' is no less toxic than being an unwanted one. It means parents treat you super well, but only when you do what
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they want. When you 'live up to *their* expectations', no matter how ridiculous or high handed. And the second you fail to measure up to
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their purposes, that's when the gaslighting starts. A good example would be Rapunzel, from Tangled, who's Mother Gothel's precious treasure
Jak8714
as long as she's meek and obedient and afraid. But the second Rapunzel has her own opinion, that's when the chains come out.
GravyEducation
Well put, see also Diane Guerrero's character in Encanto, being "the perfect one" is it's own burden.
OlemGolem
The movies warped a lot of the book's intentions.
leroy666
Given the massive complexity of LOTR, IMO, Jackson did a pretty commendable job with the trilogy. Casting, editing, etc. are all way above average. People will be watching this for a long time.
ITellBadPuns
Honestly, if the movie even attempts to be at least somewhat accurate, they're doing better than like 99% of film adaptations.
jesusisherelookbusy
NuNuDagobah
Now that's soldiering
jesusisherelookbusy
GadenKerensky
Proper bastard.
jesusisherelookbusy
A bastid that he is.
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CanadaEhBuddy
jesusisherelookbusy
“Sure I can’t watch your arse if I’m dead, can I?”
CanadaEhBuddy
Now it's time to watch these all again ?O'er the hills and o'er the mainThrough Flanders, Portugal and Spain ?
dragonraven13
Joining two metals together with melted solder? That' soldering!
jesusisherelookbusy
Working in a smithy during summer? That’s sweltering.
Predicto
This is good, but it also underrates Denethor, Boromir's father. Tolkien said Denethor was strong and wise, but his will was broken because
Predicto
he looked into the palantir. His mind and his integrity were too strong for Sauron to take control of the stone or of him, but Sauron was
Predicto
able to make him despair, and he aged rapidly and eventually snapped when he thought Faramir was dead. Gandalf understood how great
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Denethor was, saying he was "proud and subtle, a man of far greater lineage and power [than Théoden], though he is not called a king." And
Predicto
it's pretty telling that Sauron was able to use the palantir to turn Saruman the White to evil, but was unable to turn Denethor or even stop
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him from using the stone at all. Even Aragorn had a hell of a time using the palantir when Sauron didn't want him to
RideTheStimutacs
An angry "fuck you" tirade is a dumb take. His portrayal in the film is not the book, and very little of that description is in the film.
RideTheStimutacs
In the film he's tempted immediately, and that's his main trait. So yeah, despite his heroic death, the SCRIPT makes him seem like a whiner.
DameDePiques
There is quite a lot of it, at least in the director's cut.
RideTheStimutacs
You really don't get the context of Gondor and his upbringing though. It's an ensemble cast and only 3 hours. They'd need a TV series.
ItsACrazyWorld
I think people would have understood boromir better if they had kept the deleted scene of him winning back osgilith.
GeneralWho
Same goes for Faramir and how he rejects the ring, showing him to on Aragorn's level - better than Boromir despite being treated as lower.
ItsACrazyWorld
Indeed!
ItsACrazyWorld
Boromir will always be my favorite lotr character
kriswinters
Why is Gondor still waiting for THE KING? It's been roughly 1000 years. The Stewards should have named themselves king about 700 years ago.
narniasreal
Because the bloodline of the kings of Numenor is literally super human.
GadenKerensky
Apparently they were taller, almost like fucking 40K Primarchs.
JasonThorn
And the average lifespan was roughly 200 years.
lordofthedice
In Tolkien's mythology, bloodlines actually matter. There's power in them. The white tree wouldn't bloom with a steward on the throne.
GravyEducation
TL;DR because Numenor
zim57398
The Stewards felt that even a thousand years was not enough time to succeed them. The King's line was, to wit, built fucking different.
Fasrill
Partly because it was, what with the Numenorian heritage that the kings of Gondor and Arnor had.
MossyAbyss
Middle Earth is a place where oaths are more than just the promises made with careless words. There is a binding power to them, that if 1/2
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broken, can have ruinous results. The Oathbreakers of Dunharrow, for instance. 2/2
GadenKerensky
If a Hobbit makes a promise not to smoke your pipe weed, that's just a promise. He'll smoke your fucking weed. If a King of the Numenorean >
GadenKerensky
bloodline makes or asks an Oath, that Oath better be fucking honoured. Or spooplife might be the least of your problems.
MidoryMoon
Ezekiel117
Needs audio
DameDePiques
Was thinking the same. The Fresh Prince theme played by a symphonic orchestra.
Ezekiel117
That would be tight
pauseplay
Boromir's character, although tragic, serves many purposes. He shows Frodo that he really can't trust anyone. He reiterates and 1/4
ketzu
Afair Boromir reminds Frodo that staying close to his friends will risk them, not that he can't trust them. He leaves to save his friends.
pauseplay
I agree that Boromir makes Frodo realize that keeping the ring around the fellowship was putting everyone at risk. Boromir gave Frodo 1/2
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a nudge to break away from the fellowship. I suppose it was more a matter of protecting them, but he also couldn't trust them to be able 2/3
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to resist the ring's power. He learned the true weight of the ring's hold on people, especially men. And it scared Frodo. 3/3
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highlights the theme that men are easily tempted into corruption, and that the rings power draws them in easier than other races. 2/4
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He shows us that men are also good, strong-spirited and unwilling to give up hope easily. He was also disappointed in himself 3/4
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for being tempted by the ring and sought to make that right in the only way he could, by protecting the fellowship. 4/4
HappyOutsideDeadInside
THANKS
GadenKerensky
It needs to be remembered that the corruption isn't simply men lusting for a powerful object; the Ring actively mindfucks people to do its >
GadenKerensky
bidding. People often forget, "The Ring of Power has a will of its own." It's borderline sentient, bound to Sauron.
GravyEducation
Can we give it up for my man Gimli who showed that Dwarves aren't that greedy corrupt race by not ONLY not asking for a gift other than 1/
GravyEducation
"Gentle words" but then being baller enough to just say "one strand of hair." My dude got THREE.
HappyOutsideDeadInside
Imho, the death of Boromir is the only moment were Jackson has done a better job than Tolkien. That scene was a little less emotional /1
Nordenfeldt
Yes, Jackson did a good job with Boromir, which does not make up for the way he needlessly and spectacularly fucked up Faramir.
CrassiusCurio
Or for just not... bothering to do the Scouring of the Shire, which is a little bit, you know, _the whole freaking point of the series_
rrlyrae
in the book, boromir succumbing to the ring comes out of nowhere. jackson built it up, by putting many of his lines in earlier scenes.
HappyOutsideDeadInside
We get some hints of his obsessions after the fellowship encounter with Galadriel... And from there the seed of "greed" evolve and increase.
Aaron42J
That's partly because Tolkien doesn't write characters, he writes archetypes. The characters don't change and grow as much as other authors1
Aaron42J
Characters do. It's part of the charm, but wouldn't work for a modern movie. So, Aragorn is given doubts to overcome. 2
msd3k
Yeah, re-reading Lotr recently, I was quite surprised how down Aragorn is to take up the mantle of King. He basically proclaims himself-
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-before they even leave Rivendell.
MickeyCallahan
The death of Boromir was barely even in the book. They heard his horn and then found his body after the fact.
saxon2060
100% disagree "my brother my captain my king" sucks. In the book his dying thoughts are for the safety of the hobbits and the threat to the>
saxon2060
kingdom and people he feels he's failed, not personal loyalty to Aragorn, which he's never displayed before so why in death? Book borimir's>
saxon2060
death is incredibly moving and the film detracted from it.
HappyOutsideDeadInside
I see your point, but in the movie his transport for the ho bits is very well shown by the Sean Bean interpretation. His grief for /1
HappyOutsideDeadInside
His mistakes is better explained there than in the book. But is just the way I perceived it, you may had another impression.
Glamdring
His last conversation with Aragorn in the book matches his character's tone way better. It's an honorable death in book and movie.
DakotaWolf
I think it's also the first time Aragorn feels an honest connection to his people, through Boromir. It's because of his sacrifice 1)
DakotaWolf
That aragorn finds the courage to embrace his destiny as king of men and see to their protection like he's shppose too
PraiseThePook
Agreed.
BillHaleyandhisComments
I like how he loots Boromir in classic video game style and upgrades his bracers for more hit points. Yeet.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
He finally has a link, through an oath to a dying man, to the people he is destined to rule
midrealmknight
That is a movie only element. In the books he has spent decades working toward becoming king because that is the only way that Elrond will
midrealmknight
Permit him to marry Arwen. The idea that he is reluctant to be king is Jackson’s invention to create a growth arc. It is easier to do that
midrealmknight
In a film than to do the slow reveal of Aragorn that is done in the books. Understandable, but a huge change from the source.
GravyEducation
The man was a Ranger, among the Dunedain. He wouldn't have even fucking gone to Gondor if it weren't for the Fellowship. 1/
GravyEducation
Also didn't the Dunedain show up at Pellenor Fields, where was that in my movie Jackson!
HappyOutsideDeadInside
In the books. At least in the Italian translation. And Sean Bean was great potraing Boromir's character.I cry a little every time I see it.
PracticalWarthog63
… given more strength visually by Peter Jackson and the strong performance by Sean Bean. There’s a lot people couldn’t see about him,… (2)
leroy666
Sean Bean does dying nobly very well.
Glamdring
The irony is that Denethor chose to send Boromir to the council of Elron over Faramir. Dooming his beloved son when Faramir was wiser and
Glamdring
More wilful to deny the ring. This ring was also demanded by Denethor of Boromir. He told him to try to obtain "the weapon of the enemy"
Glamdring
So Boromir tries to take it for so many reasons, and madness takes him slowly. But the Fellowship might have dies on the trails of Caradhras
Glamdring
Where the mountain snowstorm nearly buries them, and only the strength and size of Boromir and Aragorn can plow through the snow, and they
Boopdoot
I always tear up a little in this scene too. So sad. "I would have followed you, my Brother. My Captain. My King."
HappyOutsideDeadInside
Give me shivers
Redcford
Agree 100%. Will always uphold this meme when it comes up!
PracticalWarthog63
… because it was in the books mostly, but he’s such a great character. And I also felt Peter Jackson did a great job with limited limited…(3
PracticalWarthog63
Your English is wonderful! I wish I could speak another language as well as you do! Grazie. ? also I agree 100%, that death scene was… (1)
HappyOutsideDeadInside
Thanks, but listen to enybi suggestions next time ❤️
enybi
I concur, although I'd advise that you post sequential comments as replies of each other in future as following these is challenging
PracticalWarthog63
)… narration to express the weight of his death. A thousand percent agree!
Laowai18
It's more heroic in the original Klingon version
HappyOutsideDeadInside
Lol
vmos
and in english
"Farewell, Aragorn! Go to Minas Tirith and save my people! I have failed"
vmos
it's very meh compared to "I would have followed you, my brother. My captain. My king."
HappyOutsideDeadInside
It roughly translate the same in the Italian version. Poor choice of words compared to Jackson 's adaptation. But again, this is/1
HappyOutsideDeadInside
The only moment that Jackson did better than Tolkien. Many of the other choices he adopted were... Questionable at least...
GravyEducation
What I liked about the book version is that's how The Two Towers began. But undoubtedly Jackson made the right decision to use it as 1/
2graves
Two towers was my first lotr book
GravyEducation
A great scene in the climax of Fellowship. LotR thread!
BenderRodriguz1010
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Lastcentura
Such great casting they really do look related (same nose)
GravyEducation
This guy checks IDs.
tavinjer
And a fucking travesty that this ^ scene wasn’t in the full cut, because it adds SO much to his character.
HappyOutsideDeadInside
Yeah, I was disappointed too of the theather cut after seeing the extended edition...
GravyEducation
And by extension, Faramir's. Who by the way is probably my favorite
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
He actively cast Sean (yep, I'm going to die) Bean in the role.
RoutemasterFlash
Sean 'Has' Bean, you mean.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
1. I don't know why your getting all this hatred... 2. NICE USER NAME
RoutemasterFlash
Haha, thanks on both counts.
InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
Quick question: Would Sean Bean's name be funnier if you pronounced it Sean Bean, or if you pronounced it Sean Bean?
TheSimpleDude
I always pronounced it Sean Bean
anglarite
The correct way to pronounce it is Sean Bean, so there is that.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
3. Steven Bearrrrrrnn
alwaysupvotefuturama
Yes, yes indeed
jiynxed
Who has died in only a third of his roles. But most of his work was for the BBC, so of course american audiences wouldn't know.
DocNitro
Still means that he is quite talented at playing 'get killed' scenes. And then you had Sir Christopher Lee, who, in the 'Saruman gets
DocNitro
stabbed' scene, corrects Jackson on the noise that a man getting stabbed makes.....
DefinitelyNotCera
The first movie I saw him in was Black Beauty, where he played a very much alive horse trainer.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Okay..weak joke. Also, I think he's longest surviving as Sharpe...which was ITV 》》
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
But I also turned up this He appeared in his first film, Derek Jarman's Caravaggio (1986), opposite Tilda Swinton, playing Ranuccio Tomasso
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
PW......and if you will....WOAAAARRRR
secretdpp
I serve with the 95th thank you very much much.
QuackWok
How are those 5 channels y'all get, btw?
blcollier
Nice try, but could do better. How's Fox News working out for you, btw?
villlllle
How are those five 24-hour-"news" channels you have, btw?
QuackWok
Awwww did I hurt your little English pride?
usernamenamesolongifyoutagmeinyourcommentyouwonthavemuchspace
Yeah in the Sharpe series he's more noted for implausibly surviving
InvidiousSquid
Sudden urge to paste Sharpe dialogue over the Council of Elrond.
VitruvianFilms
"Well, upon sighting the Mûmakil I naturally gave the order to advance. That's my style, sir"
TravisTee34
“So you’re chosen to be the Fellowship of the Ring? Well, I didn’t chose ya!”
DukeDarkwood
He's got some notable exceptions in the US, too. I particularly enjoy how he was Odysseus in Troy, a movie where about half the main cast
DukeDarkwood
dies, but he doesn't. And not only doesn't he, but if they had ever moved on to the Odyssey, he would have survived THAT, too!
Butterupmybuttcheeks
He also doesn't die in Ronin.