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"Bottom line: President Joe Biden has the House. Biden has the Senate. He has a procedural process that gives him the chance to pass a $1.9 trillion relief package with just Democratic votes and conveniently, it's a process that Republicans used just four years ago to jam through a tax plan and try to repeal Obamacare.
Democrats are making a two-pronged calculation
- They aren't doing anything Republicans haven't done.
- Their plan is going to be popular with voters and no one is going to care how they got there.
We will see on the second point, but when you are talking about giving people direct checks, expanding unemployment insurance, giving people more money to buy food and raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, you aren't talking about unpopular ideas. Democratic aides tell CNN over and over again this isn't repealing Obamacare. They are giving people something, not taking something away, and that's emboldened members to act swiftly and decisively and not give in to talk that they have to unify the country by bringing Republicans onboard with a plan."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/congress-covid-aid-bill-latest/index.html
Good for them for actually moving forward! And shame on the Republicans for suddenly caring about "the deficit" and not caring about people at all.
hwatL4bloopy
We forget that that Republicans have manchin.
LorindaLogan
Republicans have proven that they won't keep any deal they make. Ignore them and roll on.
NinjaPoopy
Democrats are helping millions of struggling Americans without Republicans approval! Shame! /s
WhatTheDormouseSaid
About fucking time
3006mv
F the GOP
dfhowes
F them in the A!
shinagami091
If republicans had any say in relief talks they’d be demanding 3x as much funding for corporate bailouts
myg00
It’s all talk till the checks cash.
Starfox5
Republicans only care about the deficit when they can use that to hurt the poor.
shinagami091
As they well should. Pass it under budget reconciliation which is a simple majority. Boom.
innagaddavidababy
I think politicians way overestimate how much people care about bipartisanship. At this point, Fuck Them.
Imalwaysready
No one wants their guy to do it, but they want to attack the other team’s guy when he won’t. It’s bullshit all around.
MindTheGap7
About fucking time
springelmogizmo
LizardEnterprises
I'll believe it when I see the check hit my bank account.
Schitzoflink
I'll believe it when I see it. The Govt usually doesn't do what they say, Joe "closed" for profit federal prisons...oh wait only 8% of them?
palatinekatinka
If I remember correctly his order was to not renew contracts. You'll need to wait for existing contracts to come to an end for all to close.
Schitzoflink
I didn't say that what is written down is misleading, the messaging at the time was. So once the Dems actually move forward I'll believe it.
Bibidibop
They’re passing the test. Compromising for the sake of compromise, for nothing in return, is the one thing I was worried about.
twisteddkarma
Amousewithchees
The republicans will probably pitch a fit, and pull every underhanded tactic they can to delay or stop it though.
deadtedw
So, business as usual.
Amousewithchees
Yeah pretty much. <.>
thatsmyfetish69
A-fucking-men! Go big or go home. Republicans despise America.
ButterySausage
They made it so obvious they want to destroy any form of governance for the smallest gain. Its literally a anti government party
LovelyMover
At this point, after the 4 year fiasco & attempted coup, whats left of the right wing need to be steamrollered their opinions are worthless
ImDavidPumpkins
Im all for all of that, they just need to stop putting so many bullshit riders on there. Bailouts to the wealthy and corps and such.
bigkingdingaling
Ah but they can put as many riders as they want now because America wants their free money.
nopost
They're probably right. Very few people actually care if the money they get was from a bipartisan effort or not
bngd
I’m really liking Biden so far.
SlowerDwightYouIgnorantSlut
Good, fuck the GOP.
certainlynotaserialkiller
i'll take a pass on that.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
You can say "no", but Reps like Jim Jordan never intended for you to be a part of that decision making process.
Leithoa
Fuck that guy his district is the definition of gerrymandering
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
That too, but I meant more the rape enabling.
Leithoa
And pretty much every speech he's ever given. He's a terrible human being.
Starlatan
The grand old prickfest.
buttcreambandit
Saw a lot of outrage that they weren’t going to. Like dude yes they were, they always were, they wanna let the GOP in on it but if the 1/2
buttcreambandit
GOP is gunna be dicks than they’re gunna say fuck you and move ahead. They want bipartisan shit again. Which we need. You are gunna see 2/3
buttcreambandit
A lot of this type of stuff with Biden as president. “Work with us please, please, please? No? Alright whatever dude still doing it”
JustHereForTheMemes0321
Exactly!
catsandcoke
Finally. You won the election. Act like it.
redmeatchef
He is. Give the man a chance. It hasn't even been 2 weeks (as of this comment)
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
It's never too early for people to start whining. There were people calling Obama a failure before January 2009 was over.
redmeatchef
True that.
Miller16of16
This. The people who came out to vote are watching.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Talking trash is a lot easier than governing.
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
It's not like we all didnt know the moment Biden was in office, the republicans would suddenly pretend be fiscally conservative again.
TheHappyHermit
basically DEMs are Ralphie, GOP are Scott Farkas, and DEMs aren't going to take it anymore
junkgoof
They aren't fiscally conservative they are "fiscally conservative." Cut everything useful and give the money to those who don't need it.
sundaymondayhippyday
kitterskills
I'll believe this headline when we all have the $2000 check they promised.
Counterfit
Looks like it's going to be $1400, and $400 unemployment boost through September
wisher1977
GOP calling out Dems on such moves like they haven’t been making decisions like these for years. Hello Patriot Act...
ketochris
Fiscally conservative my ass.
Counterfit
That's just code for "cut effective programs".
pretendthisisagoodusername
what they're doing has never been "fiscally conservative" its just "oppose whatever the democrats do"
McFitSteak
I have the opinion you need a very loud aggressive man, or really even woman who screams loudly what is THE RIGHT THING, IN SIMPLE WORDS.
McFitSteak
Reason: Your leaders degenerated and literally brainwashed the people's minds. This made people think they have no power. PEOPLE ARE POWER:)
grandestgrandeur
And that they'd magically, give a shit about the deficit and a myriad of others things they SHOULDA been caring about w/ Trump's bs.
Bendmydickcuminhersnatch
But why does it have to be Bipartisan?? I thought we don't negotiate with terrorists
wrinklyflute
Agreed. “Unity” can’t exist when one party believes that their opponents should be dead.
DriverIRQnotlessOrEqual
It’s like extending an olive branch or at least to see if there any survivors in the burning building that is the GOP
LurkerOfDarkness
Extend some gasoline, let the nazis burn.
remingtn
grandestgrandeur
This! MOST of them voted to REJECT Biden's presidential nomination AFTER the coup attempt. They wanted to subvert our democracy. Fuck 'em!
DrunkNDisney
Yeah curious how the “fiscally conservative” party manages to repeatedly sink us into recession, and then the dems bail us out.
StigsMilwaukeeCousin
Because fiscal conservatism is bakrupt an ideology and has been proven time and time again to not produce growth.
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
Every. Single. Time.
DrewBerg
Let's hope. Biden still believes he can work with the GOP, the Sam's GOP that did everything in their power to stop Obama and absolutely >
TheWombatStrikesAgain
They better. This is their chance to show millions of voters that they are indeed the better party. By a lot. And if they don't want to (1)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
do it for political points, they should do it for self-preservation. (2)
AintNoRestForTheWookie
They should do it because it's the right thing to do. Any other reason is meaningless.
Youhavinagiraffe
From what I've heard and seen Biden is very much in the "get caught trying camp" i.e. don't jump straight to getting round GOP obstruction..
Youhavinagiraffe
...before they prove that they will be obstructive for popular legislation. It keeps discussion on the substance instead of the process
bonetonelord
They've been proving that for the last twelve fucking years.
DickFlanagan
The funny thing is until 5 Jan runoffs - Mitch genuinely didn’t think he’d be in this position. Why he’s scrambling a “unity” argument now.
DrewBerg
Steamroll the Dems during Trumps term, but for some Biden still thinks ifs 1990 and the GOP has sane people in their ranks.
Affray
1)I politely tolerate completely deplorable coworkers every single day. Going toe to toe with them every day would stop me from doing what
Affray
2)I'm actually supposed to be doing. You can be on your guard and open to civility at the same time.
Lynkfox
Paski said specifically he would hear them out (thr 1/3rd size counter) but that meeting wasn't to debate or broker. It was just listening
DriverIRQnotlessOrEqual
It’s sad that it’s an old man’s sentiment to believe there is sanity left in the GOP
Imalwaysready
I take this as a positive development. I think he's shown he is willing to listen to GOP, but doesn't necessarily need them. If they want >
Imalwaysready
their proposals considered, they have to be rational ones made in good fatih, not insultingly low-balled starting points.
DrewBerg
Which is exactly what they've given him. He needs to finally grow a spine, listen Bernie and push through with a reconciliation. We need >
DrewBerg
To finally put to rest the idea that we can have bipartisanship. We can't. Not with the current GOP. Enough is enough, push past them.
Imalwaysready
He is. That's what the article was about. He said "show me what you got," they did and it was insulting, and now Dems are forging ahead.
DudeThatsRacist
Should have been done a week ago. Dems knew republikkkans were gonna obstruct.
crankyoldgeezer
It was. You clearly don’t understand how bills get proposed, debated & voted on. I hope you were this impatient with tRump.
DudeThatsRacist
I do understand, and when you have a counter offer that is a 3rd, you know the other side is acting in bad faith. Steamroll them, NOW!
crankyoldgeezer
Agreed 100%
kingbudo101
process was started over a week ago. problem is doing anything through the budget committee is a very lengthy process (which is the way to
kingbudo101
do it for it to pass with 51 votes) a floor vote is much much much quicker and ideal the quickest way to get people checks
t0varich
Everyone with their head screwed in straight knows the demokkkrats are the real & original kkk
mrmartini
I hate to break it to you, but Woodrow Wilson hasn't been president for quite some time now.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Damn, look at that username. The Russians aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
t0varich
Thats a good boy, keep lapping that msm kool aide
Scornn
Republicans are worthless. A toxin on our culture and country's soul.
t0varich
Keep chugging down that msm koolaide
mmmerf1
I'd say that language was too strong except that it's not at all. You are 100% correct.
Assmonkie
Could say the same with democrats being push overs
tr26
As a fan of effective governance and robust discourse, I wish I didn’t agree, but I do. Both parties put party over country too often.
adiving
Yes EXACTLY How dare these democrats being so easily pushed into...helping... their... country. Wait.
ButterySausage
All the more reasons to stop listening to terrorists
Comet260
But both sides!!!!! /s
VernonTWalldrip
One Democrat in the Senate could ruin it though. Looking at you, Manchin.
bigkingdingaling
Or save it
lightfoot2
his people will benefit. but there is always a lieberman in the dem party
Katz00
Oof. I almost forgot about joe l.
lightfoot2
Yep. a 60 vote majority and they still blew it.
Chimichanga007
Threw it* - follow the money
DickFlanagan
He should get a few GOP as well as a buffer - I doubt Collins, Murkowski are gonna dig their heels in on this one
TiredOfTheBS
His GOP governor just came out in support of a big package. I think he’s on board.
Highlights333
I like Manchin
Renzworth
I really thought Minchin was a Republican. He sure acts like one
Powderhunter75
I learned the word Dino the others day. Really hope he doesn’t spoil it.
iabductaliens11
Manchin has a lot more to lose than Biden in this fight. America's water heater just blew and Republicans want to use tape to fix it.
TheobromineAddict
More like, Republicans are telling you oh, you don't need hot water.
ButIBuildAThousandBridges
conversely a republican could vote for it. Looking at you, Mitt
grandestgrandeur
https://theweek.com/speedreads/964588/manchin-support-democrats-reconciliation-bill-allowing-covid-relief-move-forward-without-gop
grandestgrandeur
Manchin's change of heart comes after Jim Justice, a strong Trump supporter and adversary of Manchin's gave his support for the bill on Mon
OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
Even though he disagrees with it, I think he realizes it's political suicide to go against it.
ButterySausage
Yeah like wtf? You really wanna be that one guy
asanaustralianwhyareyourpostsupsidedown
It's literally their job to go against their party if they disagree. And it not happening in the Trump years isn't an excuse. Be better.
OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
ah yes, because going against the other 49 senators that have been trying to help struggling americans is the right thing to do.
asanaustralianwhyareyourpostsupsidedown
I didn't say it was right, $15 feels like unders, I just said if they disagree it's their job to vote against it.
jkstrhmstr
He already said he would vote for it.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
He's said he doesn't support the $15 minimum wage portion of the bill, though.
SPCNewbie
I heard only if it was bipartisan
Sasarious
As long as Biden meet with them, he did and now we move on.
Cravanicus
Didn’t this already pass 50-49?
khtad
WV’s GOP governor is calling for big stimulus. Manchin has cover. It’s Kelly and Sinema I’m worried about.
DickFlanagan
It’s massively popular Bill ~70% public approval - no brainer for moderates either party. Trump tax cuts rammed thru with ~30% pop approval
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
Republicans are concerned about the Trump wing, though. They’ll vote against it.
khtad
Sinema ran on bipartisanship at the state level, national dynamics are completely different. Not sure she’s absorbed that yet.
DickFlanagan
Good point. just saying she should pick her battles. b/c blocking massively popular measure, alienating oneself w/ new majority is dumb AF
valdbagina69420
Kelly is dope as fuck he’s not gonna fuck around.
TakeAChillPill16
Kelly also has 6 years. Voters have short memories
khtad
I hope you’re right!
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
Mark Kelly? He seems to be pretty rank-and-file. Sinema is a wild card, though.
PhilomenaCunk
She's charming as hell in person, but I know what you mean. I can sympathize with Republicans watching John McCain stroll forward to vote.
DickFlanagan
Total no-brainer for Manchin, Sinema, Collins. it’s giving money to people who need it. No Dem Sen gonna die on the hill of fake GOP outrage
DickFlanagan
I include moderate GOP there obvs - Collins, Murkowski.
MikeofLA
Romney might come over on this one too