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#disney #noteasybeinglocktup
Feb 24, 2018 11:50 PM
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#disney #noteasybeinglocktup
miatapasta
Well glad we solved this issue, on to the next one.
LeTrund
Me and military service
Moontato
spacecatts
I'm watching beauty and the beast right now!!
Malloon
Stockholm Syndrome is not a psychologically recognised syndrome.
Beholdmybarrenfieldoffuks
As a psychology geek
Thunder64
Post-Post-Modernism. I like it.
thefreedomfry
And this is why reylo will always be trash.
Ravenwolfff
So why cant people just not give a shit and watch the damn movie?
esbear
I am pretty shure it is not Stockholm syndrome when you are raised by someone, who does not treat you well.
AsAHistorian
Except Frollo was right. From his perspective, the world really was a terrible place, the people really /did/ revile Quasimodo as a monster!
feeltheice
Gaston isn't evil. He literally is trying to Save bell because he thinks she's been "bewitched"
eatinchocolate69
No
BaronessFrankenstein
Frollo is hot. I'd allow him to lock me up and I would enjoy it. For a while.
KWJester49
still feel the most evil character in B&tB is the enchantress that turns Adam and staff into beast and furniture when she didn’t get her way
Tyrannotron
A kid not letting a strange adult into the house when his parents are away should be something he gets rewarded for, not curses.
ruferto
its a bit different. being a kid alone in a house vs having a fully staffed mansion and turning someone in need away in a dangerous forest
ihaveaten
"She goes back because her captor will die if she doesn't" isnt a strong argument against abuse. "I'll die if you don't do x" is still abuse
katerinaadriah
He was basically unconscious. He didn't threaten her with "I'll die if you don't do x." What even, dude? It was 100% her choice to save him.
randomgibberish
He wasn't threatening her if she didn't go back, she wanted to, plus he was no longer her captor at that point
runtillion
tbf outside IS a pretty terrible place
Thradeau
Did you know bears live out there?
PanzaeronQ
Especially Paris in the middle ages, poor Quasi would likely either get lynched by angry locals or catch the plague.
LvAllen
This is the major theme of Hunchback of Notre Dame.
Newturdinthepunchbowl
Hermit for 12 years now..Fuck outside.
Ashliarco
This... so much this
zigbigidorlu
Introverts unite! Separately! From their own homes!
EBlade19889
Dyslexics of the world untie!
robboscouse10
I try to avoid it as much as possible. I'd say I had Stockholm Syndrome with myself but I hate me so maybe not.
JapAnus
I love... lamp. I love lamp
yourCleverUsername10
I feel like you're my soul mate rn
elayeyouareaye
I don't have a snappy reply; I just love this comment so much I had to say something.
Kittenman15
I read a book about the Stockholm syndrome. Dreadful at the start, but I ended up quite liking it.
TheVakarian
*rimshot*
iwanttomountndewya
Ha
ChadtasticComicsOfficial
YES! What I've been saying for years to all those people who think they're "clever" for making the stockholm syndrome joke
iwanttomountndewya
Oh a beastiality joke
kythorn
TheGreatGreens
To be fair, this lines up with one of the major songs of the movie, something that wasnt there before. if you think its stockholm syndrome..
TheGreatGreens
then you probably missed the whole premise of that song.
spacecatts
Yup
aPokal
mritty
"Nor does the Beast disrespect her after the first night". Unless, you know, you count BEING KEPT PRISONER as "disrespecting her".
aPokal
Yeah, big room. Big bed. A house staff. It was house arrest. Admittedly not her own house, but a better one. His CHILD tantrums are only
aPokal
dangerous to his size. He changes for her. She doesn't, actually. Her feelings change, but personality and behavior don't come tho think.
CyborgScribe
I think it's possible to respect someone but also jail them. Not likely but not impossible
HibiscuitsTea
She couldve easily left again. Why did she stay after she brought the unconscious Beast back to the castle?
DonteHaversham
This reminds me of the post about the song "Baby it's cold outside", where a linguist debunks misogynistic theories.
SanityPup
Well this is something I need to see.
feeltheice
DonteHaversham
http://bigbutterandeggman.tumblr.com/post/154013148291/teachingwithcoffee-its-time-to-bring-an-end-to
Freemage69
I concede everything that the post says, except identifying Gaston as the 'true villain'. The true villain of B&tB is the witch who 1/x
Freemage69
turns a 10-year-old boy into a hideous monster for not being willing to let a strange woman into his house when his parents aren't home, 2/x
Freemage69
then tells him the ONLY way to be free of the curse is to find "true love" before he turns 20. And she gets away scot-free, the only 3/x
Freemage69
Disney villain to manage that trick. 4/4
Csel
and curses all the servants in the castle who were innocent.
Freemage69
Ooh, yes, forgot that one. Oh, and of course, doing this (turning the prince into a feral beast) is why Gaston becomes the 'hero' of 1/x
Freemage69
the provincial town Belle lives in--she created a leadership vacuum, and that ALWAYS favors the sort of people who think only for 2/x
Freemage69
their own personal benefit. 3/3
ilikeyourfaceandstuff
Yes, I thought this too. Was weird when my dad was upset that I watched it as a kid lol but he too thought it a stockholm syndr. depiction.
BaaadGuyEviiilGuy
Is your dad a Tumblr SJW?
aleister94
They do a filntheaory episode disproving the stockholm takeaway
ilikeyourfaceandstuff
I pointed out that Beast had changed for Bell and yes, while it is unrealistic, its also high stakes which inspires drastic decisions.
END3RW1GGIN
1) Why unrealistic? People change for the ones they love all the time. In the Beast's case he had even more motivation to change since
END3RW1GGIN
2) he was almost out of time. It shows him growing as a character; from young and selfish to adult and selfless. During the climax of the
END3RW1GGIN
3) movie he only fights back when Belle is in danger. He didn't even kill Gaston, Gaston caused his own death by how he acted. I think the
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4) live action movie does a better job of showing that it was Belle's choice to stay and not because of any form of manipulation.
AMartianPotato
This argument has always relied on over defining Stockholm Syndrome. Belle is a captive who develops strong emotional feelings towards her >
SanityPup
Emotional feelings, huh.
AMartianPotato
captor. That's Stockholm Syndrome.
Qualtagh
Stockholm Syndrome isn't even an accepted medical condition.
AMartianPotato
True. That doesn't mean it isn't a real phenomenon. It's not in the DSM because it's generally thought to fall under PTSD.
Tyrannotron
In common perception, sure, but the actual psychological syndrome here is more than that.
AMartianPotato
Not much more. This person certainly doesn't understand it.
Tyrannotron
Frankly, they are more correct than you are.
AMartianPotato
Frankly that's bullshit. This person seems to think for some reason that Stockholm means a person reacts positively to being abused or >
AMartianPotato
threatened. That's not at all how it works.
DeanOMiite
The best shot in Tangled is Rapunzels moment of grief as Gothel falls out of the tower. It's so brief but so clever
pooslap
Woah, spoiler alert!
mythsnlore
Yeah that little chameleon's a straight up murderer tho
SomeStarsMostlyVoid
She was dust before she hit the ground. He just made it cooler
DeanOMiite
WayGroovy
Tjitso
You do realize that this is due to the effects of Stockholm Syndrome.
FernandoRumdebum
Stockholm, narcissistic parent, either/or
DeanOMiite
Yes this exactly. It's my favorite moment of the whole movie.
DoctahGhostly
I think the biggest difference was she was kidnapped as a child and not someone whom knew better before being manipulated. Still neat.
NightPainPoe
It still made no sense that see remembered stuff as an infant tho.
KaminaShiroe
That whom should be who. You wouldn't say "him knew better before being manipulated"
DoctahGhostly
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re right. I forget about that rule a lot.
DoctahGhostly
There was also that story about those kids whom lived in a cramped apartment all their lives, only learning about the outside through movies
mallorykeaton
Wolf Pack!
Cravanicus
Like the movie “Room.”
wekilledbambi03
Oh hai Mark
Cravanicus
“Room” not “The Room” geeeeez
TargaryenLoyalist
I tend to react badly when someone tries to defend Gothel (or simply compare her to other Disney characters) with “she was a good mother.”
krioc
You should point out that she only ever says "I love you" to Rapunzel's hair.
CyborgScribe
She was a good (example of an abusive sociopathic) mother.
SpiralNihilism
Well when you measure her against..oh let's say Cinderella or snow white people will say "well yeah, attempted murder is worse then abuse"
Ducksh
Gothel wasn’t a good person but Rapunzel didn’t realize till the end and even when gothel fell out of the tower you could see the grief 1/2
Ducksh
In Rapunzels eyes for a brief moment as she tried to reach out for her. For 18 years gothel was the only “mother” she had ever known.
NautiGal
considering that she caused a fairly high number of people with Emotional Abuse in their past to have flashbacks... i'ma go with "no".
CarInAVet
Yeah, my sister says she can't watch it because they did the abusive relationship a little too well.
NautiGal
I can, but it gives me a couple of shivery moments.
albinoALPACA
I won't compare her to any Disney characters but she seems like 'Other Mother' from Coraline
Quietkitsune
Gothel definitely wasn't a good mother and acted selfishly. But the king just up and taking the magic flower to make tea doesn't 1/2
Quietkitsune
sit well with me either. Kidnapping and keeping Rapunzel locked up is definitely wrong, but the king isn't exactly blameless or 100% noble
daft667
the king takes the flower to save his wife and their unborn child.
jelleyfish
Thus condemning gothel to death by using her flower. Id say fuck em
TargaryenLoyalist
*Her* flower? Did she post a sign or something laying claim to it?
sheetascastle
but they didn't know it's magic was actively being used. Or that there was another way to use it's magic
fgvbttd
Gothel hid when the king’s men came, so I don’t think he knew it was ‘finders keepers’, more like ‘we found the flower to save the queen!’
daft667
oh no she has to get old and die like the rest of us how terrible.
mrssugar
What crazy person thought she was a good mother?!
TargaryenLoyalist
Someone was comparing her to the parents from Frozen, saying she was a better parent than Elsa’s because they had her hide her power.
TargaryenLoyalist
And it wasn’t just better by comparison either: they actually said “at least Gothel was a good mother to Rapunzel.”
malruth
After kidnapping her and keeping her from her family? o_O
TargaryenLoyalist
They ignored that part and focused solely on how Gothel raised her (despite the fact that that part alone was pretty fucked up as well.)
TargaryenLoyalist
I tried to explain the difference between misguided yet well-meaning actions and deliberate manipulation/ emotional blackmail. Didn’t work.
bexyrex
narcissistic mothers??? My mother LOVES mother gothel and she and her agree on a lot of terrible things
Dragongurl392
Exactly. She reminds me a lot of my mother, too. Hell, I could see her singing the song.
TargaryenLoyalist
That’s a sign that perhaps you should cut ties with her. Toxic people aren’t entitled to a place in your life just ‘cause they’re relatives.
TargaryenLoyalist
Leaving abusive parents in the past was one of the better life choices I’ve made. Close that chapter of your life and move forward.