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serleth
Reasoning with stupid is stupid.
Spodah
Bob Rae is "not" an idiot
Velv3tThunder
At the end of the day, to each of us, the appropriateness of an occupation as protest depends on how we feel about the issue being protested
TypicalCheese
Trudeau wouldn't meet with them
FredeFuppe
Okay in this case you can't really ignore the obvious double standards in regards to other protests.
Rrrrgrr
One of the distinctions between this and most protests is about 300 protestors in trucks took the place of (for the womens march) millions
Rrrrgrr
This is not a popular uprising this is astroturf.
oldblinddog
Wow, deep. Not
zanaria
Real truckers were the ones still working to keep the shelves stocked, while assholes were working to keep the streets blocked...
dangerbuckley
Occupy Wall Street fixed capitalism. Occupy freedom will be equally as effective
browsererror
It is only bad when you disagree with the reasons. Literally all of that could be applied to a protest we each support.
invinuit350
You can always find ways to justify your actions and blame others' even though they are esentially the same.
draxxthemsklounst
Agreed. Either side seems to sitting on horse of self righteousness while having nothing but contempt for the other side.
civbat
One of my favourite politicians. I'd vote NDP in a heartbeat if it wasn't just throwing my vote away. I would love to see MMP voting here.
speculaas
It isn’t throwing your vote away. They have made up the balance of a minority government many times.
Ghlargh
It's not lies, i choose to identify them as truth in my belief system. (/s)
DrKenAdams
I thought we decided that lies are just 'alternative facts'.
ConnectToReality
This is some 1984 level stuff.
SimpDaddyDee
Occupation can be part of normal protest; but holding that occupation beyond the purpose of sending a message crosses a reasonable limit.
SimpDaddyDee
In this case, the purpose wasn't just to make a point, but to also try and force the govt to adopt a minority view into policy.
SimpDaddyDee
The intent behind the occupation evolved over time; at first it was govt overthrow, Jan 6 style, then PR (put the hate symbols away and 3/
SimpDaddyDee
and adjust the messaging), then as police broke it up it became about creating a victim/martyr image to give impetus to the next big thing.
RhymingEverything
I also believe that loud car exhausts/horns are a public nuisance and should be banned.
RhymingEverything
no, not that old, i'm just 36
MidlandRedux
Protest without civil disobedience is just a parade. The right knows this. The left forgot it and our "million man" protests are ignored.
Mashedup9999
If 2 billion worth of damage isn't civil disobedience in your eyes I'm scared of what is.
rudejohn
Ummmm... BLM and Occupy Wall Street were FILLED with civil disobedience. So were pipeline protests.
MidlandRedux
BLM got results. The others at least tried. Most liberal protests are picnics and are forgotten in a day.
Hiboredimdad
The demand to overthrow the government is the real issue here. We just voted months ago,no one wanted conservatives then,and no one wants
Hiboredimdad
Them now.
AReasonablyPrudentPerson
“Speech” under law can actually be a lot of things, which laypeople may not consider
NiceLegsDaisyDukesMakesAMAAANOUTOFYOOOUUUU
These idiots are apparently trying to do this again.. in the Washington Beltway. Jokes on them, it's ALWAYS blocked af.
trip2112
This is a tough one. On one hand you have to make enough "noise" on the other you should respect the "normal" lives of others.
iwhannafly
The biggest downside to this occupation is worsening supply chain issues along with inevitable prices increase
TralalaAssana
It was hardly just noise. It was threats of sedition and killing the PM, harassment and terrorizing of citizens, real abuse.
trip2112
Pretty much my point.
CoarseAndSalty
People in power don't get to define what protest is. You can disagree with the taste of the Flu Trucks Clan. You can say their protest
CoarseAndSalty
of ordinary safety in a crisis wouldn't be appropriate regardless of the method of protest. You can call them spoiled children. But theyare
CoarseAndSalty
protesters regardless of how silly their protest is.
AnotherReplyToIgnore
Hatred is exactly a difference of opinion. The opinion of most humans is that they are important. Thus, anyone unlike themselves is 'bad'.
draxxthemsklounst
Either side seems to sitting on horse of self righteousness while having nothing but contempt for the other side. Contempt is one of the
draxxthemsklounst
4 horseman in a bad relationship. Once contempt seeps in, their will never be any resolve. It’s very poisonous
AnotherReplyToIgnore
Contempt comes from abuse and neglect. Suffering teaches us to fear and so we never learn respect and gratitude. Misery creates misery.
draxxthemsklounst
For real. I’m still in therapy. Been in therapy for years. But I just keep grinding away. It’s daily work but better then being a victim.
sumelar
Occupations are protests.
ligmabolz
Russia is having a protest in Ukraine?
TheOtherTruth
Uh oh, the Putin bots are after you
Evenmorehorrifying
It's just a protest that requires tanks is all! Perfectly peaceful.
CaramelSuitTray
Reminds of this gem:
sumelar
Among other things. Don't make the silly assumption that the word only appeared anywhere in my other post.
ligmabolz
I'm just using your logic
sumelar
No, you're not. You're making up things I didn't say.
ajchafe
I don't like the people who are doing this one, but I firmly agree. The left could learn a little from them.
GayCanadianJew
LOL cuz the left have never occupied anything? They have, but when they do they’re beaten and arrested in far less time than 4 weeks.
ajchafe
Because the state/capitalist masters have a vested interest in keeping the left/anarchists surpressed. Act faster than against these asshats
AlmostScientist
the left have been doing that for a while, just not to this degree cuz they don't really wanna disrupt basic needs of citizens
khora
Portland and Seattle were similar length of time, no?
AlmostScientist
As far as I know they didn't block up a bottleneck causeway that actually stops resources from reaching the city.
ajchafe
The problem is, you NEED to disrupt some of those basic needs for people to see and hear you (and join you).
EverNotRelevant
People were threatening to run over protesters when they slowed down roads for a few hours, what would happen if it went on for weeks?
AlmostScientist
Maybe if it was disrupting just a select group of elites but regular people struggle enough as it is. It's fucking with supply lines.
ajchafe
If you just disrupt the elites, nothing will change. You don't threaten or harrass regular folk though; ask them to help you.
PeterGregory
I mean they literally did exactly this with the rails 2 years ago for like a month in canada.
TralalaAssana
This wasn't an occupation it was domestic terrorism
sumelar
They're not mutually exclusive.
windtunnelscienceguy
incorrect.
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TralalaAssana
You say you were in Ottawa. How was this incorrect exactly?
TralalaAssana
Read the list. Do you live in Ottawa? How would you know if you weren't there?
housefriedricenoshrimp
Bullshit
TralalaAssana
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/13Zg8yjEPYyybbLy70njbWxGeYELQ3Q3PT2Vph0XKQM/mobilebasic
TralalaAssana
Were you there? Read the list I linked and you can come apologize for saying that.
lifeisadadjoke
Bob Rae - former Premier of Ontario (Doug Ford's current role). Former leader of left-wing NDP party. Not great at policy, but very smart.
FeelingButter
He was the leader of the provincial NDP but he sat as a Liberal at the federal level and was once their interim leader.
ChickenSnizort
Bob is current Canadian UN ambassador. He has had a long career in public service.
uniquepseudonym
Actually great at policy, not as good at politics. He ran the province well during a recession without laying off government employees...
uniquepseudonym
The right hated him because he was an NDPer the left because he didn't spend money the province didn't have...
ChelseaBun28
The reason Boomers hate NDP and they won’t see power again until they’re dead.
GayCanadianJew
I mean…..you’re not wrong.
RideTheStimutacs
Also because people are too racist to vote for Singh.
speculaas
Well that’s a wide brush you’re painting with. I’m a boomer. I love NDP. Jack Layton would have been elected if he didn’t get sick.
RunningInSpaces
A guy that was caught in a spa brothel sting operation? I'm no boomer and I can't stand the NDP. Green party is much more reasonable.
ChelseaBun28
Sorry, I’m in a largely conservative area, and whenever I express support for NDP I get a lecture about the ‘Bob Rae Days’
uniquepseudonym
You mean the way that he was able to not lay off teachers & civil servants, while also not burying the province in debt during a recession?
wtfylat
Most of these are accepted forms of protest, just because a group with shady funding and foreign backers subverted it doesn't make it wrong.
wtfylat
We should be examining who these people are.
speculaas
It is illegal for foreign entities to contribute to political campaigns. Crowd funding programs are a loophole that needs to be addressed
TralalaAssana
But the attacking, harassment, intimidation and threats of sexual violence against citizens make it wrong.
wtfylat
So lets lump it all together so we can outlaw legitimate protests then?
TralalaAssana
It was in no way a legitimate protest and that is not what I'm saying at all. Read this list then try again.
wtfylat
That's exactly what you said.
TralalaAssana
Did you read the list?
TralalaAssana
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/13Zg8yjEPYyybbLy70njbWxGeYELQ3Q3PT2Vph0XKQM/mobilebasic
TralalaAssana
Anyone who doesn't live in Ottawa read this: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/13-Zg8yjEPYyybbLy70njbWxGeYELQ3Q3PT2Vph0XKQM/mobilebasic
draxxthemsklounst
Who had guns?
TralalaAssana
Did you read the list? That's not what is being discussed
draxxthemsklounst
Someone said Trudeau is gonna catch a bullet? Who’s got a gun besides the police in Canada? Real question
TralalaAssana
What about the people at the Coutts border? Bringing said guns to Ottawa. Is that cache of weapons enough guns for you?
draxxthemsklounst
I just thought Canada gave up it’s guns. So when someone said Trudeau was gonna catch a bullet, it sounds like a silly empty threat.
draxxthemsklounst
That’s also the biggest argument I hear for keeping guns bc criminals don’t give a fuck about laws. There’s never 100% safety.
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
Yes and no. Occupation is protest, unless they define protest differently than we do in America. It was vital to civil rights movement.
browsererror
I went to a college where construction floorplans from the 70s were decentralized to make occupations less effective.
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
The difference is duration. This lasted 3 weeks.
speculaas
It was not a protest. It was a festival. There were pig roasts and DJ’s with dances and hot tubs in the middle of the street.
williamrichards
And BLM protests lasted months. What's your point?
dyskordian
According to Wikipedia The Chaz/chop was established 6/8 and taken down 7/1, so roughly three weeks.
6313326
I'm ok w/ long duration occupations as protest even, but (from what I saw, not CDN) they were also abusing locals & being violent. Not OK.
AlmostScientist
That's cuz these assholes get to live out of their trucks, Occupy Wallstreet on the other hand were living out of tents which cops raided.
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
Lot harder to forcefully remove a truck too. Glad it is over.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
Nah, it's easy to forcefully remove a truck. There's towing vehicles specially made for them.
GayCanadianJew
It’s not. The trucks are gone but tons of the assholes are still wandering around Ottawa. The cops have gotten way too lax with the [1]
GayCanadianJew
checkpoints and a bunch of these idiots are still getting into downtown Ottawa. And most of the ones that have left the city are on [2]
JesusTararira
It's a protest when I do it, it's a crime against democracy when somebody else does it. The double standards before anything.
ThePretentiousGentleman
In this case it the MOU of the organizers (Canada Unity) were actually anti-democratic. They wanted to anoint themselves in charge.
WoeToHice
If the police brutally suppress one protest and cheer the other, then one is a crime against democracy. I'll let you figure out which.
Gosuamakenatek
The only double standard is that the cops treat one group as dangerous terrorists and the other as friendly neighbors.
dyskordian
So i didn't see the police trample an old woman with police horses yesterday?
DonaldTrumpsFlaccidHairpiece
An event which *is* being investigated but which, by the video I saw, was caused by the protestors putting themselves in the way.
tr26
I’d love to talk about Austin’s Ramos protests, what the police and their union said vs what has been found to be the truth 2 years later
dyskordian
https://thepostmillennial.com/confirmed-leaked-rcmp-chat-shows-members-celebrating-violence-against-freedom-protesters
YellowSparrow
I agree in principle, but occupation as protest is common. First people have occupied to block pipelines. BLM used occupation. /
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km2541
Both those groups have been meet by force and arrests.
MaxIn
Everyone of these truckers probably applauded the critical infrastructure bill in AB when it was being used to remove first nations (1)
MaxIn
But didn't think it would get applied to their snowy white ass(2)
TakeTheStairs
i think the tweet is saying you need to call it what it is. in those cases you listed im pretty sure the protestors called them occupations
TralalaAssana
Difference is here truckers have been harassing, intimidating, threatening sexual assault, ripping masks off people's faces, terrorizing
SherMattLockSmith
Take a look at the difference between, say occupy wallstreet, which occupied a park until they were kicked out, then went to specific(1)
SherMattLockSmith
(2) Places to target specifically those who they were objecting to and ONLY occupied areas that interfered with them. They wanted to just...
SherMattLockSmith
(3) walk across brooklyn bridge ONCE, not block it for hours, or days, just a group to walk across and BAM 768 arrested. Blocking traffic...
SherMattLockSmith
is NOT an occupation, it is a blockade. No other movements have every literally shit down a city AND border crossings to other countries...
SherMattLockSmith
..For weeks.
Lepidopterous
Well said. I went to the comments to say something similar. The first 3 sentences of this tweet would be hypocritical from the left.
eddiekilgore
The left managed two different occupation protests, both covered internationally by the media, neither of which interfered with businesses
eddiekilgore
Or individual liberties of non participating citizens, both of which lasted for weeks, and both of which were broken up by police violence.
eddiekilgore
Your accusations of hypocrisy mean absolutely nothing.
Lepidopterous
The tweet: “An occupation is not a protest.” You: “The left managed two occupation protests.”
Rithale87
Protests are fine, but laying siege is not. Starving a community is a violation of the rights of thosein the community. Borderline terrorism
SherMattLockSmith
Also I don't ever recall BLM or pipeline blockers driving around entire cities blowing truck horns at all hours of the night to disturb.
khora
They did prevent ambulances when they blocked highways.
PictureArchiver
First peoples can do whatever the fuck they want. They never asked for any of this bullshit and they got shitcanned since forever.
YoSamiteSam
It would be cool if they weren't a bunch of obnoxious assholes. Hate them for their platform, which is stupid.
DukeSliscus
Didn't happen in Canada. Thanks for playing
Baeloro
Unfortunately, when you effect enough bottom lines... Someone is going to step in and stop your nonsense.
spacecowboyein
It shouldn't matter what their message is. Blocking the roads and trying to disrupt the supply chain is terrorism. Whether it's nazis or BLM
Rhythmaster
(1) Tbh watching the past few years, tactics dont seem to matter when it comes to how protests/riots are seen. It seems like, as long as you
Rhythmaster
(2) can make some excuse that's grounded in a certain political ideology, then you can claim any tactics are justified, and people who
Rhythmaster
(3) support that political ideology will excuse those tactics, or downplay the bad actors, or distance from them. Every protest is gonna
Rhythmaster
(4)Have some people involved that just take things too far, but polarized media will either ignore them, or tar everyone with the same brush
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invisibulman
I disagree with the truckers position, but this type of civil disobedient protest is exactly non-violent freedom of speech that I do support
TralalaAssana
It wasn't in any way non violent
HaloArchitect
You agree with blocking ambulances on the way to hospitals? You agree with honking horns through the night in residential neighborhoods?
SherMattLockSmith
Occupying a pipeline does not cause harm to the economy and locals around the pipeline, they are taking action against a specific entity.(1)
SherMattLockSmith
BLM would mostly occupy parks or city centers, they would not block all traffic in and around an area to cause deliberate protacted...
SherMattLockSmith
..Economic harm to a region, and you will find many many on the left that said they never supported BLM ever blocking roads. This was not...
SherMattLockSmith
An occupation it was a BLOCKADE meant to cause economic disturbance to an area.
dyskordian
I'm guessing you forgot that The Chaz/chop was a thing.
Hammsammiches
And that quite a few all over the country turned into looting very quickly.
YellowSparrow
Problem is: these trucking occupiers are the ilk trying to pass laws that striking street protesters with vehicles should be legal. /
hufwungpu
Aren't they just using trucks to make regular means of dispersing them as difficult and time consuming as possible?
nclu
Using vehicles as weapons against political opponents is shockingly consistent policy for reactionary terrorists
jesuisgur
I'm surprised a few Molotov cocktails didn't end up on those expensive trucks by happenstance...
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
Oklahoma passed a lot making it legal to kill protesters with your car, you just have to cry and say you were in danger. It's insanity!
nclu
Whether it's running over protestors, blockading cities, honking all night, or running a truck through an open market. It's reactionaries
YellowSparrow
Are the truckers holding a stupid protest? Maybe. I don't agree with their position. But without disruption, a protest is toothless.
krausshansky
If by "maybe" you mean "absolutely, scientifically, factually, and realty-wise, yes"
ShamelessSeamus
And without the support and sympathy of the people, it's also toothless
Lionskull
while i think this protest is stupid, it's a fucking shame that people are supporting authoritarian government actions against them.
Markamanic
A fine line to disrupt business for the people you're protesting while minimizing the impact it has on the common people.
Markamanic
Like Japanese bus drivers who strike by continuing to ride their routes while letting people ride the bus for free.
CaptainxHindsight
That's the point of a protest. To garner support. Did you think all the protests during the civil rights movement had the support prior?
CaptainxHindsight
Not justifying their position but I will defend their right to protest.
ThePretentiousGentleman
Tactics are valley neutral. It’s the cause, lack of consistency and the far right extremism throughout that is the problem. However, the
ThePretentiousGentleman
implementation of The Emergencies Act and the new codification for crowdfunding are things I worry about in regards to what the precedents
ThePretentiousGentleman
they’ll have for the future will be when people are rising up for progressive ideals rather than right winger hijacking discontent.
probablyshouldbedoingwork
These people stopped being considered "protestors" when they decided to hold the whole city hostage and harass and assault residents
tollerscream
The tactics definitely weren't neutral. As someone who lives here, the lanes of downtown were reduced to 1 for 3 weeks.
tollerscream
Also, emergency vehicles couldn't do basic things, meaning a few people died of completely preventable things. In line with their philosophy
tollerscream
And the constant honking at all hours meant the populace were being sleep deprived, which is a form of torture.
lukemwp
The protests were.... inconvenient? That can't be their goal, can it? *shocked*
tollerscream
Generally you make things inconvenient for the people or place being protested. Not regular people. It impacted regular people most.
lukemwp
Civil disobedience is an important part of protesting. You have a warped view of protests movements
lukemwp
Sorry, I should say a very sanitized view of social movements. It's okay. That isn't an accident.
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
I don't mind that they had a protest over the health mandates. Wouldn't mind weekend thing and respecting the local businesses and citizens.
lukemwp
Oof. Kinda missing the point of a protest bud. A government sanctioned protest is known as a parade
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
My point being: there was a format for them to express themselves that would be broadly acceptable. But that is not what this was.
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
However, I don't agree with the hate speech, or these protesters. Although I can tolerate their disagreement, the nazis can fuck right off.
nardiza
Had weekend protests in Quebec. Neat and clean. All they want is to be heard and get answers/acknowledgement. Being ignored is frustrating.
Leithoa
Protests aren't meant to be convenient.
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
Imagine having to walk to work through a crowd of unmasked & unvaccinated people, and if you mask up they will crowd around and harass you.
ishouldprobablybeplayingpokemonATM
I agree that they and their movement are co.etely wrong, but the ability for everyone to voice their opinions through protest is important
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
I agree it is too. Queens park in Toronto has had many peaceful protests that have been polite, non-disruptive and made their point.
CatchySensibleName
Harassing bystanders is not the way to do it.
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
Many of these protesters were there spoiling for a fight and they were being very aggressive towards anyone wearing a mask.
Onlyonerowing
The second that members of their protest started flying swastikas and confederate flags it was clear they were arguing in bad faith. 1/
Onlyonerowing
If they had an honest desire to be heard and to change the system, they should've purged those elements from the start, not welcomed them.
Dalael
My coworker who can't work from home has been verbally aggressed multiple times for wearing a mask. These ppl are stupid.
bandanasforscale
When I saw the line up of their kids holding hands to block the road, I knew these were the scum of Canada. You don’t use your kids as a 1/2
ChickenSnizort
That is not how They see it. Completely brainwashed. Sad.
bandanasforscale
bargaining chip in a protest 2/2
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
Absolutely. This is the most vocal and extreme 1% of a ten to 20% minority group. The vast majority support protecting each other's health.
DoctorInsensitiveAssHole
In general they made everyone in Ottawa feel less safe and shook my identity as a Canadian and what I thought were universally shared values
lukemwp
You need to reassess what it means to be Canadian. Our country was founded and built on theft and taking people's rights.
awakemysoul
Please don’t speak for “everyone” in Ottawa. Half my family is there and not one of them or their friends felt unsafe. Watch Viva Frei.
ChickenSnizort
I have not heard any stories of any protester being intimidated.
ChickenSnizort
Not all the protesters were intimidating, but many were. Not all residents were intimidated but many were. Property damage was minimal.
lukemwp
These white people are just mad now that they have to deal with a fraction of the infringement of rights that canada was built on.
williamrichards
1. Okay . . . Yes, they're assholes. But the same people on Imgur calling them assholes for blocking roads are the same people that were
williamrichards
2. calling people racist enablers for saying BLM protestors should stop burning down Wendy's and stealing TVs from Walmart. It's hypocrisy.
astinus
Except BLM protesters did none of that.
Canadianbaecon
Literally no one was saying that. There is a vast difference between opportunists taking advantage of protests, and protestors caught on 1/
eddiekilgore
No, we're calling you racist enablers for saying the protests were ONLY about burning down Wendy's and looting TV's from Walmart,