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As a child of New York City, I know this is unpopular with some people, but given the congestion of a growing metropolis, I always thought it made sense. The Orange Fuckstick came out against it with a knee-jerk reaction when it was implemented, not because he understood a fucking thing about the dynamics or economics but probably because someone with a vested interest and lots of money whispered something in his ear. So I was glad to see him humiliated on this front.
Any loss for the Orange Twatnacho, anything that makes him mad, anything that shows him that he's not King of the Universe, is a good thing in my eyes.
Fuck You, Donald Trump. Fuck you in the ass. With a cactus.
Cat tax: Our sweet demon in her lair (now gone to Hell to bite other demons in the ass for not being as evil as they might)
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
The party of small government sure likes the federal government to butt into a lot of state and city issues
VitaminJay
Congestion pricing works.
brianglass10
He is a man who knows how to waste other people’s money and drive his own businesses in the bankruptcy.
IntelligentLake
Excuse me, what did the cactus do to deserve this fate?
IWantedOneOfThoseLongUsernamesTooSoIGotOne
The cactus is a noble martyr for the sacred cause.
dragoonwraith
Congestion pricing has been a huge win. It was controversial beforehand, but seeing it in practice convinced most skeptics. And of course, it is absolutely none of the federal government’s business.
AyatollahBahloni
"Everything is mine! Mine!" - The Orange Fuckstick
Lynkfox
And this is why even the lawsuits matter. Every single one.
Sure hell ignore any he can
But many he can't. And many the rank and file won't ignore when they actually do their jobs. And it ties up resources that might be spent doing something even worse.
This is why we need to fight and resist *in every way possible*. In the streets with signs or molotovs, in court rooms with lawsuits, in red tape and everything else.
lightfoot2
Oh he will just file a new case. After all he can do anything without consequence. People just need to stop listening to him
OffTheGrid99
If the purpose is honest and the money goes to the city, then I see no problem with it. The problem is in other places those are not true. On Seattle’s East side is a highway 405 where toll lanes have been put in simply to increase the average speed of the freeway. Not to make lives better but to receive more federal highway dollars based on the average speed. Also, Washington state doesn’t get the money. Some company in Arizona does.
Badprenup
Source? Because everything I have read on Washington's toll roads is that it's handled by the "Good to Go" system which is managed by the state of Washington Department of Transportation, and that the funds gathered for it pay for road maintenance and construction.
I couldn't find anything about an AZ company being connected and the comment honestly sounds like a typical conservative "I heard someone claim a negative thing about a gov program and repeated it without verifying" conspiracy junk.
OffTheGrid99
I retract that last bit if inaccurate. Referring to the Texas based company that handles the tolls. Again, just saying I hope the op one works out well.
19marcurious57
A severe congestion in his intestines please, until he pops. Good riddance.
cuttysark
as long as congestion pricing does turn into surge pricing at the grocery stores
ripnet
Is there a link between the two that I'm not aware of?
Necrothean
Precedence. It is almost assured that court precedence on one will be used to support the other, as they've classically been tied together. It's one of the reasons why Surge Pricing on delivery apps hasn't been fully shot down in court yet. They use "undue load on merchant traffic infrastructure" to 1-to-1 compare it to "undue load on physical traffic infrastructure".
thanatos777
Do you have a citation for this?
Badprenup
Okay, I'll bite. How does:
A fee on entering an already congested metro area, which has direct impacts on travel speed, air quality, and road damage
Correspond to:
Surge prices in privately owned business, where an increased # of customers has essentially zero impact on the store's operating costs AND the tiny amount that they DO impact operating costs is already offset by the fact that more customers means more income for the business?
FrankGrenadine
Whoo hoo! I live in NY and take an express bus to work. Congestion pricing has cut ~10 min from my commute
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Congestion pricing is a tax on the poor
nobletrex
User account location: not NYC, that’s for sure.
exbenedict
Tell us you don’t actually know what you’re talking about without saying it.
Cornflakes91
then lets improve public transport so damn much that nobody even wants to drive :)
BarryTheCyborg
Are you retarded? Pretty much only rich people have cars in nyc. Poor people take public transit.
arrbos
Yes, all those poor people who ... own cars in ... New York, and ignore the cost of their time, and ignore all the other poor people who gain from it.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Ok big fella. I need a car for work, I absolutely cannot do my job without it, and I’m definitely not rich
CongratsYouAreHereNow
So just a down vote but no counter argument. Cool
Munchman347
It's a good deal for NYC, but I kinda feel like it just keeps the 'poors' out of the city. Would be nice if the surcharge could be tied to your income...
casualgenderquestion2718
The ‘poors’ don’t drive their personal cars from the suburbs through congestion zones into the city. They live here and hop the turnstile like god-fearing New Yorkers.
Munchman347
So, those thousands of commuter cars lined up on Brooklyn and Queens streets are owned by rich people? My Dad drove into Manhattan every working day of his life and we were far from 'rich'...
casualgenderquestion2718
fdr, west side highway, and battery tunnel are free
casualgenderquestion2718
queens midtown will literally get you a rebate, as will holland and lincoln
casualgenderquestion2718
of all the very, VERY good reasons to say people are being priced out of new york, this is simply not one of them
Munchman347
Only a dozen or so people work for the Bridge and Tunnel Authority in those areas, the thousands of commuting shop and resturant workers can't just park in the tunnels and ride the R Train to work. The only reason I took the subway is because I lived on the lower West side and took the L and A to work at the MONH...
NotAllowedToArgueUnlessYouPay
I believe congestion pricing punishes the public for governmental infrastructure failures, but I am also satisfied if it pisses off Trump.
FlippedOut
There is no possible way to provide enough roads/parking in a large city for everyone to drive their own car. Providing better public transport is the only option. Taxing the use of the road to provide the better transport is a good government policy.
NotAllowedToArgueUnlessYouPay
Public transport is infrastructure.
casualgenderquestion2718
If NYC does not have public transit infrastructure, or “failed public transit infrastructure,” we should just give up now because everywhere else in the country is worse than here by a country mile. Many places in the DEVELOPED WORLD are worse than here by a country mile.
casualgenderquestion2718
Downvote me if you want, how does your 24/7 subway system run? Is it smooth?
casualgenderquestion2718
Does it sometimes smell like piss while it’s taking you across the city in one fell swoop at the ass-crack of dawn?
cytherians
Congestion pricing for NYC (Manhattan) was inevitable. Other international cities use it with success.
I just find the way it was implemented to be a bit severe. It would've been nicer to have prices a bit lower and just raise them gradually over time. I also think the zone perimeters need a "grace period" time. Let's say you cross over it by mistake, or have to because of traffic, but then leave within a few minutes. You shouldn't be charged. Also 1 time per day should be implemented.
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
Your grace period idea would simply lead to many people "accidentally" cutting across congestion zones...leading to congestion.
casualgenderquestion2718
Yeah, this is the danger. Also perverse incentive for speeding, cutting people off, driving recklessly to get out under the grace period.
casualgenderquestion2718
The reason why we can’t do it like this is the exact reason people were so scared of congestion pricing in the first place, chaos theory and the mass of variables involved in automotive traffic makes even a small change potentially massive over time.
crookednixon
The borders are water on all but one side. And that one side, Manhattan's 60th street, is a block north of Central Park's lower border. I presume that was deliberate, so that the very busy 59th street at the park edge was included. You're unlikely to cross the border "on accident" except for 4 blocks west of Central Park and 5.5 east.
bonetonelord
They already cut the prices more than they should have at implementation. Manhattan below 60th is just about the most transit-dense place on Earth. There are vanishingly few people who actually have any reason to drive a private car there. The last thing we should be doing is coddling the moneyed idiots who can't bear the thought of sharing a vehicle with- gasp shock horror!- the POOR people.
casualgenderquestion2718
I’m always blown away by people who drive cars in the city because 1) you don’t have to, and 2) it’s honestly a massive inconvenience if you aren’t filthy rich. Parking is all paid and metered relentlessly by people who you’d really think would have more important stuff to do, your commute immediately becomes like 15-20 minutes slower because driving is a nightmare. If it’s UN day or the marathon or pick another city event, it’s a fucking disaster.
cytherians
Have you seen the prices for Uber and Lyft lately?
There are times I've checked prices for such a service and find their prices astronomical. Cheaper to drive in. And yes, you can take public trans... but if you're lugging some necessary things and have a time crunch, it's not feasible.
casualgenderquestion2718
Then if you’re hauling and on a deadline, use the congestion zones. They’ve been freshly cleaned out of jackoffs who don’t need to be there, it’ll be a faster ride!!!! This was, in part, exactly for this purpose!!