In 100 years, Russia has attacked 19 countries, while no country has attacked Russia during the same period, according to Kaja Kallas, High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy
"None of THESE countries has ever attacked Russia". Nazi Germany is obviously excempt in this context since it attacked Russia and started the war, and Russia was fine with the Nazis until they did.
Germany? Germany is and was a country when it attacked Russia in 1941. Sure, Russia is a big cunty pop-poo-head of a country, but let's not just lie about shit like this.
It depends on what you mean by "attack." For example, the US has been under a major propaganda and mis- and disinformation attack, as well as their efforts to subvert American politics through Citizens United and manipulation of politicians through money. If you're just talking Russia, then you have to exclude the Soviet Union, but if you include the latter, then you get to include countries like Germany. It was Soviet Ukrainian troops who entered Berlin first. Then there's the question of -
applying this question to other nations. How many countries did the US attack in the last 100 years? Are we talking about aggressive expansion of empire? Military intervention? Large scale invasions? There are a lot of ways to cut this pie to get different answers.
Are you sure that she counted Germany among those 19 countries? If she didn't, she might be correct. The total number of countries that Russia attacked (including the ones that attacked Russia) might be higher. I haven't researched the numbers though.
That says nothing of the post truth asymetric feces they have poured into every open communications system in the world. They've shitified the planet so they could sit at the big boys table.
Let's count them and their population : Poland (40M), Finland (5M), Latvia (2M), Estonia (1M), Lithuania, (3M), Romania (6M), Afghanistan (14M), Moldova (3M), Georgia (6M), Ukraine (40M). The others were "internal" to the Warsaw Pact (Hungary, Czechoslovakia), internal to the Russian federation (Chechnya) or part of a larger conflict (Mongolia, Iran, China, South Korea). I got 17 and missing 2 but the evidence is clear, they are a bully and they mostly fail against larger countries.
Same. The video isn't much clearer in this clip, but I *think* the intent was "Russia has attacked 19 sovereign nations that had not attacked Russia first." But, yes, the title is misworded for sure.
Unfortunately not only the OP title is wrong, she is as well. Several of those countries (or earlier installments of them) *have* attacked Russia in the past. She’s giving the Russians an opening to use their usual schtick and focus on this error and conclude that these Europeans are just spreading lies against poor Russia and ignore all else.
Earlier installments of Poland, Lithuania and Hungary have attacked Russia at some point. Since she included the USSR while counting Russian attacks, the same method of counting should apply the other way as well.
True, though to be fair, if they didn't have nukes they wouldn't have tried any of this shit to begin with. It's their "pass" to go in and their "threat" to being forcibly withdrawn.
if Russia was a person, they would be jailed for life, if not executed. Maybe it's time to exterminate their leadership and let them start clean. Ditto for the united states.
She said that the 19 countries that were attacked by Russia in the last 100 years never attacked Russia. Presumably, Germany wouldn’t count here as Russia acted in self-defence and didn’t attack Germany outside of WWII.
Ehhh... she has also recently publicly mocked the idea that China fought in WW2. Kallas is an idiot. We don't have to play that little "She's on our team, so we'll defend anything she says" game.
No, the title is wrong and so are you. She said "none of THESE [=attacked] countries ever attacked Russia". In other words, Russia attacked 19 countries that never attacked it. I am not saying her statement is correct, but OP certainly misunderstood it.
I got to 12/13: Afghanistan, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia (now 2 countries), Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Ukraine. But you may also count Chechnya, Syria and other less obvious involvements. Her statement could have been better worded and supported, sure. Anyway, care to provide a source for her "ignorance of history"?
She recently publicly mocked the statement that China fought in WW2. Not the first time she said something dumb.
As to the lists, I ask, because I have seen lists passed around (you know, like the sharepicks of US wars/invasions/interventions, just with Russias wars) by the polish-baltic bubble and quite often, they tried to sneak stuff like a little "Germany 1944" in there. That's why my warning signals ring when I hear statements like that from that bubble. The anti-Russian sentiment in >
Poland and the Baltics is more than understandable, but it is often very uncritical/unreflected to the point of being carried away into eally stupid bullshit, like conveniently forgetting that the "Grandpa that fought the Russians" waa wearing a black uniform with Sig-runes on it or more commonly, just going full fledged racist about it.
That we are faced with a russian revivalist/revanchist fascist Regime right now is not a card blanche to full on a chauvinist circlejerk.
Someone pointed out that Finland also attacked Russia. As for the other 3, two happened slightly over 100 years ago. Still, I never know Russia invaded Armenia, nor Iran. Thanks for letting me know.
Not quite equivalent. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember the Japanese attacking us first, for example.
I'm not saying we aren't bastards who led a lot of these fights (we did), but Russia conquered the whole of eastern Europe and folded them into an empire. They're taking Ukraine for the land. How many of the conflicts listed here did the US use just to expand their territory? Influence, maybe (or to stop others from expanding their land or influence). But just to conquer, take, and keep?
This is not a question of being "bastards", I'm simply listing all overt offensive military actions of the US in the past 100 years, for perspective. Reasonable, I think. Of course one can argue that some, most or all of these were justified. Either way, Russia and other countries aren't acting in a geopolitical vacuum.
German here. I hate to say it but that thing with Germany 41-45 was kinda our own fault. (Sorry, btw.) Seriously, I can't blame anyone for attacking the Nazis. I even wish they'd done it earlier.
That's not really the discussion here. Obviously every single attack, coup or invasion can be justified by one perspective or other. This post only lists the number of offensive military conflicts Russia (or the Soviet Union) has been involved in over the past 100 years. For perspective, I've posted a list of the equivalent number for the US. I'm not saying that Russian military policy was justified, or that the US policy was not. 1)
What I am saying is that the US has been involved in the largest number of offensive military operations of all countries over the past 100 years. When speaking of the actions of Russia, China, India or any other of the key international players, this is relevant to keep in perspective. The US is, by far, the most warlike nation on the planet. And I'm not sure American schools teach the specifics of that. 2)
They weren’t “attacks”… they were “special military assistance operations to help take down… er overthrow… er remove non-democratically-aligned leaders from countries with great resources… er people”
What-aboutism is never a good look. The USA invades other countries, yes. But *IN GENERAL* if the USA has a treaty they are actually upholding it most of the time. Any treaty with Russia makes the paper it was written on less valuable.
No. I'm sure Kaja Kallas knows the USA did the same (read: much worse) but she simply can't mention it to avoid the current fascist us regime going even more anti EU and pro Russia. There was a post the other day were it was explained, with facts, the USA is a country of war for profit. Btw... no European country is clean either. This world is a mess...
Thats incorrect. Russia invaded Ukraine to completely end its statehood, and annex the territory. There's also reason to believe they intend to commit genocide. No US war in the last 100 years was like that.
Are we living in the same world? The US started so many wars, most people can't even count em all. Their history is filled with war crimes and crimes on humanity, much worse than what Russia is doing in Ukraine right now. But as the US doesn't accept intentional law and the ICC they just get away with every shit every time. Because nobody can force his ridiculous war monster country to follow the law.
Not all of us feel the need to pick a preferred dictator. They are all shit. I swear Americans need to make everything about themselves. The US wasn't mentioned in this post.
Pulsifer
"None of THESE countries has ever attacked Russia". Nazi Germany is obviously excempt in this context since it attacked Russia and started the war, and Russia was fine with the Nazis until they did.
clayartist64
How many has America attacked?
AVaguelyFamiliarUsername
Germany hearing no one has attacked Russia in the last 100 years: https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cTRybXZ3cHE2eXRya2VjdWFwbm1pY2hzcHNsZmN3OW1wdDd5ajQ0YyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/kqJt1cSSN0DrwwMmY5/200w.webp
MojoBobtheHoochyman
Germany? Germany is and was a country when it attacked Russia in 1941. Sure, Russia is a big cunty pop-poo-head of a country, but let's not just lie about shit like this.
BobisBobIsHimIsMe
The rich are about to cull the heard.
ToolmanTR
I totally agree Russia sucks. I am curious how many counties USA has attacked in that same time.
DaddyDune
So when are 19 countries going to attack Russia?
DriverIRQnotlessOrEqual
Can’t wait for the US history books to footnote this as 19 wars Trump has personally solved in the last 100 years /s
PunnyTiger
Didn't Germany attack Russia during WWII?
bittenicht39
The actual video says something different than the (wrong) post title.
beaubrent
She is a badass
FaecalJacksonPollock
Sounds to me like it's high time they got a taste of their own medicine. Ramp up the kinetic sanctions, as Zelenskyy called them. ;)
rubypilgrim
It depends on what you mean by "attack." For example, the US has been under a major propaganda and mis- and disinformation attack, as well as their efforts to subvert American politics through Citizens United and manipulation of politicians through money. If you're just talking Russia, then you have to exclude the Soviet Union, but if you include the latter, then you get to include countries like Germany. It was Soviet Ukrainian troops who entered Berlin first. Then there's the question of -
rubypilgrim
applying this question to other nations. How many countries did the US attack in the last 100 years? Are we talking about aggressive expansion of empire? Military intervention? Large scale invasions? There are a lot of ways to cut this pie to get different answers.
IBroughtASpareDrainpipe
I dunno, I think the Nazi attack on Russia in 1941 counts as an "attack".
ArgentXero
https://youtu.be/9I-UZiLTQNs?si=mxTS_-4C11Gp47yP
Kaja Kallas is the same person that claimed Russia winning WW2 was "something new".
ChristopherHallett
Now do the USA!
PileOfWalthers
I mean... I'm as anti Russia as you can be, but @OP's title is fucked, whereas the clip is correct.
nelllybellly1
Agree. Significant difference between "no country has attacked Russia during the same period" and "none of these countries has ever attacked Russia".
slackboy722000
Well Germany attacked Russia and Russia then attacked Germany.
nelllybellly1
True.
The11thPlague
Are you sure that she counted Germany among those 19 countries? If she didn't, she might be correct. The total number of countries that Russia attacked (including the ones that attacked Russia) might be higher. I haven't researched the numbers though.
bobgunrunnersmith
Starting to see a pattern form. https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dzJna2swNDV4bGx0ZWx6Z3BpYTJjaDNkZXJ4ZXZ2MDRsa284eGM3NSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/a5viI92PAF89q/200w.webp
Chakra5
That says nothing of the post truth asymetric feces they have poured into every open communications system in the world. They've shitified the planet so they could sit at the big boys table.
draregerreip
Let's count them and their population : Poland (40M), Finland (5M), Latvia (2M), Estonia (1M), Lithuania, (3M), Romania (6M), Afghanistan (14M), Moldova (3M), Georgia (6M), Ukraine (40M). The others were "internal" to the Warsaw Pact (Hungary, Czechoslovakia), internal to the Russian federation (Chechnya) or part of a larger conflict (Mongolia, Iran, China, South Korea). I got 17 and missing 2 but the evidence is clear, they are a bully and they mostly fail against larger countries.
ionicseraph
*Azerbaijan and Armenia
PunnyTiger
bullies almost always fail afainst anyone close to their size who actually know how to fight
BigRobbo
The one I saw you missed was Syria still not sure what the last one is
DarthAndy
Germany? They got to Berlin first in WW2
BigRobbo
True but they were attacked by Germany first... they just defended really really well
Eyeetsass
That’s not accurate. Winter defended Russia really really well. Russians died like dogs.
ElBurroLoco
Azerbaijan
seafoamistasty
Germany invaded Russia in 41? So 84 years?
ZanShintetsuken
None of the 19 countries attacked in the last 100 years, of which Germany is not included in…
seafoamistasty
Just replying to the text in the title: "In 100 years, Russia has attacked 19 countries, while no country has attacked Russia during the same period"
Imalwaysready
Same. The video isn't much clearer in this clip, but I *think* the intent was "Russia has attacked 19 sovereign nations that had not attacked Russia first." But, yes, the title is misworded for sure.
bla703
She says Russia has attacked 19 countries and non of these countries has attacked Russia. How is that not clear?
eppykaze
Technically no as at that time Russia was just a part of the USSR, but that's spitting hairs
PileOfWalthers
Did you mean splitting heirs?
b00guy
Did you mean splitting hares?
eppykaze
Mayhaps, although I've only ever heard hairs before
PileOfWalthers
It's splitting hairs, not not spitting.
Imalwaysready
The only thing you've ever heard is hair?
torbtom
Unfortunately not only the OP title is wrong, she is as well. Several of those countries (or earlier installments of them) *have* attacked Russia in the past. She’s giving the Russians an opening to use their usual schtick and focus on this error and conclude that these Europeans are just spreading lies against poor Russia and ignore all else.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Which ones? When?
torbtom
Earlier installments of Poland, Lithuania and Hungary have attacked Russia at some point. Since she included the USSR while counting Russian attacks, the same method of counting should apply the other way as well.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Can you give me a source? I would love to read more about it
Feralkyn
Are you perhaps considering the Soviet Union as Russia?
b00guy
If they didn't have nukes they'd have been stomped into the ground ages ago.
And with how pathetic everything else in Russia is most of those probably aren't even functional.
Unfortunately even one glowing crater is too many so we have to sit and play footsies with them instead of forcing a regime change.
meme2zombie
And even non-functional nukes can become dirty bombs (which can be worse in some ways).
Imalwaysready
True, though to be fair, if they didn't have nukes they wouldn't have tried any of this shit to begin with. It's their "pass" to go in and their "threat" to being forcibly withdrawn.
PunnyTiger
if Russia was a person, they would be jailed for life, if not executed. Maybe it's time to exterminate their leadership and let them start clean. Ditto for the united states.
Ardback
Sure, Operation Barbarossa was just a picnic.
samanthadlcruz
Peaceful tourists, like all nazis
swedeonamoose
ww2 was just a german special military operation /s
CatrosQuatro
Right? Extreme levels of Hitler particles here.
cgcit019
The invaded Poland and the allied with Germany, so fuck them
korndogg83
She said that the 19 countries that were attacked by Russia in the last 100 years never attacked Russia. Presumably, Germany wouldn’t count here as Russia acted in self-defence and didn’t attack Germany outside of WWII.
barnwolf
Germany attacking Russia wasn't self defense. They betrayed an alliance at the time to attack Russia. At the very least @OP's title is wrong.
Preincarnated
The fact we're all arguing about it tho does mean her wording could probably have been a little more clear.
bla703
Her wording is clear. The headline is not, but that's also not verbatim what she said.
mercyPandaRunner
Ehhh... she has also recently publicly mocked the idea that China fought in WW2. Kallas is an idiot. We don't have to play that little "She's on our team, so we'll defend anything she says" game.
plutonium
Got a reference on that? I seem to have missed those comments.
ElusiveThing
Probably true, but that ignores Finland. Two wars, the USSR attacked in 1939, Finland attacked in 1941, along with the Germans.
JurgenWindcallerz
German here: Yeah that one was on us
The11thPlague
No, the title is wrong and so are you. She said "none of THESE [=attacked] countries ever attacked Russia". In other words, Russia attacked 19 countries that never attacked it. I am not saying her statement is correct, but OP certainly misunderstood it.
mercyPandaRunner
Okay, can we get a list of those 19 countries? It's not as if she in particular has a history of showcasing her ignorance of history.
The11thPlague
I got to 12/13: Afghanistan, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia (now 2 countries), Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Ukraine. But you may also count Chechnya, Syria and other less obvious involvements. Her statement could have been better worded and supported, sure. Anyway, care to provide a source for her "ignorance of history"?
mercyPandaRunner
She recently publicly mocked the statement that China fought in WW2. Not the first time she said something dumb.
As to the lists, I ask, because I have seen lists passed around (you know, like the sharepicks of US wars/invasions/interventions, just with Russias wars) by the polish-baltic bubble and quite often, they tried to sneak stuff like a little "Germany 1944" in there. That's why my warning signals ring when I hear statements like that from that bubble. The anti-Russian sentiment in >
mercyPandaRunner
Poland and the Baltics is more than understandable, but it is often very uncritical/unreflected to the point of being carried away into eally stupid bullshit, like conveniently forgetting that the "Grandpa that fought the Russians" waa wearing a black uniform with Sig-runes on it or more commonly, just going full fledged racist about it.
That we are faced with a russian revivalist/revanchist fascist Regime right now is not a card blanche to full on a chauvinist circlejerk.
ionicseraph
I'd add Finland, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Iran
The11thPlague
Someone pointed out that Finland also attacked Russia. As for the other 3, two happened slightly over 100 years ago. Still, I never know Russia invaded Armenia, nor Iran. Thanks for letting me know.
NinjaCongo
Here's the equivalent list for the US:
NinjaCongo
Nicaragua (1926–1933) – Military occupation.
Japan (1941–1945) – Declared war; bombings, invasion, nuclear strikes.
Germany (1941–1945) – Declared war; bombings, invasion.
Italy (1941–1945) – Declared war; invasion.
Morocco & Algeria (1942) – Invasion of Vichy territories.
France (1944) – Normandy invasion (liberation).
North Korea (1950–1953) – Korean War.
Iran (1953) – CIA coup.
Guatemala (1954) – CIA coup.
NinjaCongo
Lebanon (1958) – Troop deployment.
Cuba (1961) – Bay of Pigs invasion.
Laos (1964–1973) – Aerial bombardment.
Vietnam (1965–1973) – Ground war and bombardment.
Dominican Republic (1965–1966) – Invasion/occupation.
Cambodia (1969–1973) – Bombardment and incursions.
Chile (1973) – Covert support for coup.
NinjaCongo
Grenada (1983) – Full invasion.
Libya (1986) – Airstrikes.
Iran (1987–1988) – Naval attacks.
Panama (1989) – Full invasion.
Iraq (1991) – Gulf War invasion.
Somalia (1993) – Military raids.
Haiti (1994) – Intervention/regime removal.
Bosnia (1995) – NATO airstrikes.
Sudan (1998) – Missile strikes.
Serbia / Kosovo (1999) – Aerial bombardment.
NinjaCongo
Afghanistan (2001–2021) – Invasion and occupation.
Yemen (2002–Present) – Drone strikes/raids.
Iraq (2003–2011) – Invasion and occupation.
Pakistan (2004–2018) – Drone campaign.
Somalia (2007–Present) – Airstrikes/raids.
Libya (2011) – Air and naval strikes.
Syria (2014–Present) – Airstrikes and ground forces.
Preincarnated
Not quite equivalent. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember the Japanese attacking us first, for example.
I'm not saying we aren't bastards who led a lot of these fights (we did), but Russia conquered the whole of eastern Europe and folded them into an empire. They're taking Ukraine for the land. How many of the conflicts listed here did the US use just to expand their territory? Influence, maybe (or to stop others from expanding their land or influence). But just to conquer, take, and keep?
PurpleMoonFlower
Y'all did a lot of taking and keeping as you genocided your way across the continent
NinjaCongo
This is not a question of being "bastards", I'm simply listing all overt offensive military actions of the US in the past 100 years, for perspective. Reasonable, I think. Of course one can argue that some, most or all of these were justified. Either way, Russia and other countries aren't acting in a geopolitical vacuum.
baconandmorebacon
German here. I hate to say it but that thing with Germany 41-45 was kinda our own fault. (Sorry, btw.)
Seriously, I can't blame anyone for attacking the Nazis. I even wish they'd done it earlier.
NinjaCongo
That's not really the discussion here. Obviously every single attack, coup or invasion can be justified by one perspective or other. This post only lists the number of offensive military conflicts Russia (or the Soviet Union) has been involved in over the past 100 years. For perspective, I've posted a list of the equivalent number for the US. I'm not saying that Russian military policy was justified, or that the US policy was not. 1)
NinjaCongo
What I am saying is that the US has been involved in the largest number of offensive military operations of all countries over the past 100 years. When speaking of the actions of Russia, China, India or any other of the key international players, this is relevant to keep in perspective. The US is, by far, the most warlike nation on the planet. And I'm not sure American schools teach the specifics of that. 2)
spitfires2000
Now do the USA.
chewmaca2
No thanks, it's got the maga trumps. I don't want to catch that.
thelionandtheloon
They weren’t “attacks”… they were “special military assistance operations to help take down… er overthrow… er remove non-democratically-aligned leaders from countries with great resources… er people”
WarlockSniper
What-aboutism is never a good look. The USA invades other countries, yes. But *IN GENERAL* if the USA has a treaty they are actually upholding it most of the time. Any treaty with Russia makes the paper it was written on less valuable.
Imademyselfsquirtle
US is the new Britain. Minus theft of artifacts, just theft of oil, and their democracy.
Imalwaysready
Bah! America is easy:
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I think a lot of countries are like this. Doesn't make it ok though.
PurpleMoonFlower
38 by my count.
ickyickywoopwoo
What are you pro Russian?
spitfires2000
No. I'm sure Kaja Kallas knows the USA did the same (read: much worse) but she simply can't mention it to avoid the current fascist us regime going even more anti EU and pro Russia. There was a post the other day were it was explained, with facts, the USA is a country of war for profit. Btw... no European country is clean either. This world is a mess...
ickyickywoopwoo
It was a sarcastic comment bud
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Thats incorrect. Russia invaded Ukraine to completely end its statehood, and annex the territory. There's also reason to believe they intend to commit genocide. No US war in the last 100 years was like that.
Dybidude5
Are we living in the same world? The US started so many wars, most people can't even count em all.
Their history is filled with war crimes and crimes on humanity, much worse than what Russia is doing in Ukraine right now. But as the US doesn't accept intentional law and the ICC they just get away with every shit every time.
Because nobody can force his ridiculous war monster country to follow the law.
meme2zombie
While true, bringing it up in this context makes it seem like you're trying to deflect from Russia's crimes with "whataboutism".
NinjaCongo
If one military super powers invasions are being listed, also listing another's is putting things into context, rather than "whataboutism".
meme2zombie
Not when the specific topic is that country's current invasion and everyone there is an expert on geopolitics and doesn't need such basic context.
hairytrigga
Russia hasnt been a military super power in a long time.
spitfires2000
Yeah, you have a point. When I see a pot accusing the kettle they are black I kinda have to say something.
meme2zombie
I mean Kaja Kallas isn't American, she's from Estonia.
spitfires2000
I mean... she's the European High Representative of Foreign Affairs... she won't say anything to upset the current us fascist government.
meme2zombie
My point is that she's not a 'pot' then. She'd be the strainer off to the side.
BrdCdn
Not all of us feel the need to pick a preferred dictator. They are all shit. I swear Americans need to make everything about themselves. The US wasn't mentioned in this post.