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myballshurt
This would make the people upset if they could read
FrolickingFrolicking
Unfortunately they can read which is why their lies and delusions are spreading. Their hateful ideology and delusions affects what they read
mardukkur
Another point about "herd immunity" is that getting covid provides MUCH less protection against re-infection than getting vaccinated.
mardukkur
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211031/covid-vax-5-times-more-protective-than-natural-immunity
OlderWiser
I do not understand the purpose of the misinformation being spread. I get at the beginning not wanting to start a panic. Why after that?
stavesacre
Not a realistic goal for Covid. Vaccines aren't going to eliminate it, just help manage the damage it causes every year. Covid is forever
mllecamill3
Yep.
mkd64
Thing my mom said: "if the covid vax works, then why isn't covid gone like polio?" I told her "because everyone got the shot" she ignored it
6foot7km
The polio and smallpox vaccines stopped transmission. The covid vaccines don’t. Just lessen effects. I’ve had mine though. Covers me
FrolickingFrolicking
Yes but that’s an understatement, because gaining protection via vaccine will indeed slow and stop the spread…IF PEOPLE GET VACCINE
FrolickingFrolicking
“Lessen effects” includes lower amount of transmissible virus particles though, and for shorter time. Which helps stop spread greatly.
RackhamTheRed
I got bad news about polio for you....
PictureArchiver
You can get a near-miracle protection against the worst effects of the disease. It’s called: a vaccine. Take the fucking vaccine. Or, if you
PictureArchiver
don’t want to take the vaccine, when you get severely sick, don’t go to the hospital. In the hospital people are going to pump you full of
PictureArchiver
drugs that you don’t know what they are or what’s in them and for which you have not ‘done your research’. So, don’t go to the hospital.
merrowcattech
Unfortunately those who need to read this don't come to this site.
coronakilla
I, for one, would never ever want small pox. Thank you vaccines
VanZaiden
Neither did the black plague...there too few people left to spread it
Justtakealookatthis
It kept causing smaller outbreaks well into the 19th century, just not as devastating as the 14th century one.
MaintenanceGuyHere
I always figured vaccines were a shortcut to herd immunity
tzap
Corona mutates and spreads too fast, it'll never be eradicated. I predict we'll eventually just combine it with the standard flu shots.
Jbelkin
Anti vaxxers volunteer … who are we to argue with an idiot who thinks they can fight an invisible virus … with urine
AgnesMcGillicuddy
2.3 billion people dead is gonna have a heck of an impact on their precious economy
ChalkCoatedDonut
Herd immunity is the government way to say "we could invest in protecting you but we won't, now go to work and don't sue us".
graehall
The cost of herd immunity for Polio, Smallpox, or COVID, would be utterly horrific & harm so many kids & at risk adults.
Iainhead
What are the fatality rates between the 3 diseases for those that catch them?
graehall
At the moment COVID has killed over 800,000+ people in America since March 2020, the other 2 are further behind that.
sleepinggreenidea
That's now. When smallpox was endemic it infected almost everyone as kids & killed ~1/3 of them. That was pre-modern-medicine but it was BAD
sleepinggreenidea
(Polio had a much lower incidence & mortality, but it had far worse long-term effects on survivors. Smallpox was *mostly* pox scarring.)
sleepinggreenidea
It's hard to compare b/c polio and smallpox have never been endemic under the same level of medical care we now have. They were brutal tho.
sleepinggreenidea
Smallpox killed ~1/3 of all people it infected (which was almost everyone) and endured w/o reaching herd immunity over ~12000y.
ndapp
Tbf getting glibal herd immunity going back a thousand years was almost impossible due to having very limited access to travel.
fbutt09
I’ve said this before - ppl underestimate COVID, it’s a invisible killer. Smallpox was so horribly obvious. Vaccines are science backed.
fbutt09
If (God forbid) smallpox made a comeback - all these anti vaxers would be queueing up for the vaccine. Don’t underestimate viruses/diseases.
TI99Kitty
Don't bet on it. Many of them would be screaming that it's a hoax; others would be convinced their superior immune systems can handle it.
TI99Kitty
All while those chucklefucks would be taking up all the hospital beds.
RunawaySpoons
I think the point they were making is that the damage is all internal, not instantly visible in pictures. Smallpox has very visible, so >
Barkinsons
Also there is no inherent benefit of reaching that, we switched the strategy with livestock to disease eradication for this reason
graehall
Right? The people espousing herd immunity as a goal with merit for COVID are operating on the assumption it's feasible & good. It's not.
FrolickingFrolicking
No, herd immunity can be attained with VACCINES, safely. But death cult delusional people refuse. Herd immunity doesn’t require infections
FrolickingFrolicking
The whole thing has been confused by psychotic hateful ignorant death cult using word “herd immunity” as synonym for “let everyone burn”
Easykehl
https://www.amnh.org/explore/science-topics/disease-eradication/countdown-to-zero/what-about-other-diseases
lewaq
Someone help me, what's the English name of smallpox variant that still occurs today (esp. with kids)
yeahIbreedtreelizards
We're never going to get rid of covid. Respiratory virus, too easily spread, vaccines will help, but we will have covid like we have flu->
yeahIbreedtreelizards
->it's not like we can wait it out. 50 dead from it at my hospital, 1 was vaccinated. Reduce your chances, because you're gonna be exposed.
Affray
1)Quebec is going to start making un-vaccinated people pay a health tax because they're 12% of the population but 1/3 of the hospitalised
Affray
2)cases. So many people just can't accept the reality of modern medicine and do what we've already proven works.
TeamSpicyTacos
Ok, so, vaccines get us to heard, but without the limbs withering and the neurological effects and the dieing and whatnot
LostInTheZone
I have the scar from the small pox gun so the next generation didn't need one. I got the covid vaccine for the same reason.
SavageDrums
Some rocket surgeon on Twitter yesterday boldly asked if I'd still be happy with the polio vaccine if I had to take it 3x a year for life...
SavageDrums
I mean... To avoid polio? Yeah, I think that would be a fair trade...
garyoldmansdiary
We also never reached herd immunity or even defeated tuberculosis. We learned how to contain its spread. TB vaccine research continues.
CrimeSceneShoe
We'd still be dealing with smallpox today if people behaved then like we do now.
TooRexyForMyShirt
"But vaccines eventually wear off!" - My anti-vaxx Aunt, who believes that if it's not 100% effective 100% for eterinty, it's not worth it
HelloThere1812
In her defense, my shot was stabbed to my bone causing me lifelong SIRVA. Needles can cause permanent damage. Maybe she'd take a pill form
trainfanyay
auntie vax
CosplayComet
Oh, I know who needs to hear this... but they're not going to listen.
madeejit
Too late. Smallpox and polio didn't exist in animal populations.
likeumreal
Yeah cuz they r ded
HedonistBeard
Or if they listen they ain't gonna believe it. Or if they believe it they won't believe it's comparable anyway. This is all fake ya know.
DreamingOfTacos
Or they can't read it. Dick and Jane was peak reading skills for a majority of the mouthbreathers.
VaultGirl69
Gov'ts and corporations need to bite the bullet together and start requiring vaccines to be able to participate in society. But they won't.
GuitarBobMonterey
Totally how it works. Didn't listen in school, for instance.
putcleverusernamehere
You know the guy who interviews MAGAts at the conventions & shows what morons they R? That's what the cult thinks about science
astinus
And they can't read either
ballsoutflyer
I've walked away from all of this. They're beyond help. Just grab a chair, your favourite drink and just watch the end.
MeowWoof
Devil's advocate: Smallpox and Polio also never mutated to a less deadly more transmissable varient.
TheMadMason
So this one mutates quicker, therefore it should have more opportunities to be more deadly when given the chance to spread.
Trelis
But more people catch this one, allowing for a new variant sooner. Not going to do bets on whether it will be for better or worse.
MeowWoof
That's why we want unvaccinated people to catch THIS one. Reinfections have consistently been less severe than first infections of a given V
Trelis
Sure, lets get more people sick, more people dying, quickening the next variant which we don't know what will be. Maybe just get vaccine.
MeowWoof
OK. What's your great master plan to get everyone to get the vaccine that doesn't allow for people to just forge little paper cards?
Goofingoff
...Because they were eradicated. Don't know about you, but I'd rather NOT CATCH POLIO AT ALL than catch a polio lite.
MeowWoof
Oh, me too. But if 1/4th the country is determined to get it, omacron is our best case scenario
Goofingoff
Thats not near enough for herd immunity but just enough to be a breeding ground for new mutations. If it mutates to be less deadly 1/
MeowWoof
Note that I didn't say it's a GOOD scenario. I said it was our dumb-assed country's best case scenario.
Goofingoff
/with less of a chance for long term damage, fine. But it's on rout to completely avoid the vaccine and void any progress made toward 2/
EaNasirIsABastard
Aktually, The bubonic plague is most popularly thought to have been ended by quarantine.
Justtakealookatthis
That's where the word 'quarantine' comes from. Mercant ship arriving in Italian cities were required to spend 40 days anchored off shore 1
Justtakealookatthis
2 before the crew was allowed to disembark. If they had sick onboard they had to fly a special flag until the sick healed or died.
loma45
I'm super pro vax - but Omicron is changing the game a bit. It's unlikely to be eliminated with the current vaccines. They are 1/2
beoluves
It sucks that we've been driven to a situation where the best we can do is endure.
loma45
still very effective at reducing symptoms/mortality though, so it's absolutely worth getting. 2/2
mike13815
84% reduction in transmissibility among breakthroughs in boosted individuals, averaged across all vaccines and boosters(including mix/match)
loma45
That specific to Omicron? May I see a source? We're 80% fully vaxxed, 85% 1 dose up here in Canada and our case numbers are 5X previous peak
Jameskurkes
The plague didn't even hit herd immunity. The dumbwits discovered soap. And began cleaning themselves...
hippocampus
There are still cases from time to time. the cure for it is to take a pill of penicillin.
EaNasirIsABastard
You are calling them dumb for not thinking that rubbing congealed animal fat on visibly clean skin would stop an unknown cause of death?
ValamirCleaver
No, the poster is making the point that what helped to massively decrease the cases of 1/2
ValamirCleaver
plague was the wide use of washing with soap & water, not reaching "heard immunity". 2/2
EaNasirIsABastard
I'm not against soap, it's the "Dumbwits" that I object to as soap is quite an obscure discovery and wasn't hugely cheap. I just want to >
EaNasirIsABastard
point out that our society is advanced and we shouldn't take knowledge of soap, hygiene, and microbiology for granted.
EaNasirIsABastard
Would it be unethical to spread rumours that there is an Ebola outbreak in the US to get people to wear masks?
RunawaySpoons
Unethical to lie. However, 'there is a rumour that …' would not be a lie if you're the one starting the rumour ?
EaNasirIsABastard
"Are you worried about an Ebola outbreak the media is suppressing information about?" Is a question, I didn't claim anything.
RunawaySpoons