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Mr. Bean saw it coming
Yeah, you'll never believe me where I found that picture. I just cropped it a bit.
Where I found it? Tumblr of all places.
In any case, here's the article (different picture of Mr Atkinson, same article)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9616750/Rowan-Atkinson-we-must-be-allowed-to-insult-each-other.html
Teksura
Step 1: Claim to be offended and insulted by parliament. Step 2: Demand their arrest.
Ryang256
This is BS. Your feelings don't trump my rights.
CaptainMalcolmReynoldsAndBowieAreMyDogsNames
koops
nvrmndrnbw
He is an exceptionally intelligent And high educated comic!
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
Here in UK the police can fuck your shit up for being “offensive”. In America the media does it for them. We’re all fucked.
Dash3K
US and UK is not "All". It's just you who's fucked. We're doing just fine in our horrible fascist central Europe.
DarkSock
He’s just Bean reasonable.
Appel99
That’s a pretty disgusting law.
DickDastardly404
It was only ever present in order to prevent things like people picketing at soldiers' funerals and shit like that. The papers picked it 1/2
DickDastardly404
up in 2012 and started going on about how it could be used by police officers to arrest anyone who swore etc, but in the 27 years 1.5/2
DickDastardly404
between it's introduction and 2012, like 4 or 5 people were ever arrested and I think there was a collective something like £500 worth1.75/2
DickDastardly404
of fines following it, but that didn't stop everyone going mental about it. Was revoked in 2013 and guess what? nothing fucking changed 2/2
Isuckedalotofpenisforthisname
Interesting. A good mind to not jump on the bandwagon.
ConsiderateFlag
i think that section 5 of the public order act (1986) no longer includes "insulting", so no worries.
DownWithYouAll
there is plenty of subjective langue they can get with left dont worry.
unfortunateimplications
Ephraim Borowski is the name of the man who 'killed free speech in the UK'. He took it upon himself to bring the case to the police.
unfortunateimplications
He reportedly a nasty piece of work; sexist, anti-musim and anti-refugees. and accused of bullying and harassment.
somethingsomethingwittyhere
Last paragraph: gay campaigners arrested for insulting Islamist extremists (who advocate the killing of gays). Ehh, da fuck?
CountDankula2nd
Without a source I'm going to be sceptical of it
somethingsomethingwittyhere
http://outrage.org.uk/1995/01/gay-activists-stand-trial-over-islamic-protest/ If you have time, you can look for the court case online too.
CountDankula2nd
It seems like it was mostly words against words
DrQman42
Im sorry, but when the goofiest man in the U.K. starts making sence you know something's wrong. This is coming from an American.
Jorrdann
rulers of the UK hate the native population and are actively tying to replace it.
JupitersWitch
Playful teasing builds resiliency in children. It has been proven. Without it, children develop poor coping mechanisms.
Mrginger128
The judge said the context was irrelevant. They had to deliberately misunderstand the joke in order to get a conviction. That's INSANE.
Rkfinecake
This would mean the death of British humor. Any humor, actually. I have half a mind to silly walk right out of here.
SendMeReplicasOfYourDick
Do you need a grant?
Toolbone
IllCaesar
I'd be nice if the libertarians that held office were like that. Of course though, they're not, eg Rand Paul.
IdeaOfLove
Rand Paul, though, is the only person really opposing Trump's new picks for SoS and CIA director: A Torturer and warmonger. I respect that.
seekingdaedalus
Libertarians: pretending that "leaving you alone" suddenly erases a long history of oppression and poverty and makes you equal.
frogglesmash
Holding people responsible for the crimes of their ancestors is illogical, and immoral.
seekingdaedalus
It's not about crime and punishment. It's about taking care of your community and not just letting the poor get fucked.
seekingdaedalus
Think of it like this: if a big kid on the playground kicked the shit out of a small one, is it better for you to ignore it or help them up?
TokyosNotFarEnough
It's not like the assholes in power are ever going to do anything to fix it or help anyone either.
seekingdaedalus
We can't always be cynical. We have soc security, food stamps, social programs. Yeah it's hard and it doesn't always work, but we gotta try
complimentpin
I agree but if you don't tackle corruption and monopoly they will run rife in a libertarial society
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Unlike how it is now!
complimentpin
Ummm Sir, do you hate your country? do you not thank god you were born in your great country everyday? Are you a commie?
IdeaOfLove
Ouch.
moshthun
As a social Libertarian, yeah, minimal taxing to be able to have some social security for those that cannot work, and the rest has to get 1/
moshthun
on by themselves, work, and make a respectable future for yourself. 2/2
RedCharlie
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
SwedishKarl
personal responsibility. Something that has gone out the window the past 10 years
SmolTenk
With the advances in psychology thats not very surprising.
armedandfriendly
I mean, I am hesitant to call myself a Libertarian these days because so many are pro corps. I'm more of a jeffersonian there.
SudoCatEtcIssue
Is it related to that youtuber that got arrested for teaching his dog nazi salute or something like that?
aychland
Yeah, that's how people are tying it into this. Crying to free Dankula and calling you all sorts of rude names if you dissent.
rocketturttle
Fighting nazi slogans by becoming more like nazis is the height of stupidity
aychland
Paradox of tolerance.
Diplocrap
We ARE free to insult each other. Saying we SHOULDN'T insult each other is completely different. Don't conflate "shouldn't" with "can't".
Diplocrap
Nobody is arguing that you SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO INSULT each other. They're arguing that you SHOULDN'T INSULT each other. Big difference.
Diplocrap
(Yes, probably somebody somewhere is arguing that. They're few and far between. Engage with the actual argument presented.)
mikeatike
I am pretty sure the Scottish courts just said that you are not allowed to insult certain people.
RipOffTheBandAid
How can this be law? A world where everyone is offended by everything seems an underhanded population control method. All dysfunctional!
mikeatike
Fuck censorship.
DickDastardly404
Aye, cheers for that contribution, George Orwell.
feanoreldar
Right in the cunt.
CaptainLogopolis
Wouldn't that be censoring censorship
mikeatike
Maybe that is what censorship wants?
weneedmorequestions
macmac138489
Now remember the pendulum swings both ways..today it's them tomorrow will be us
Asteroidrules
Yup, case in point the nazi who got arrested with the pug called for mass incarcerations of liberals.
Andalite
A lot of us saw it coming. It was idiots who went "No, people will use their common sense to not do bad things with the law" here's the
Andalite
thing about common sense: it means different things to everyone. Where the line lays, is different for each individual. And for some, it
Andalite
doesn't exist at all. I've been saying for years: we either protect all offensive speech, hate or otherwise, or we protect none of it.
ThisIsNotANameItsASandwich
I agree words schmurds nothing fucking matters then you die fuck you all peace be with you
SorenAziz
Yep. Can't ban certain speech because everyone draws the line differently. If you think something said is stupid then challenge the speech
SorenAziz
Based on merit and fact, don't just disallow what you don't like.
CuteThingsAreMyWeakness
Arrested for calling Scientology a cult? So now you can be arrested for telling the truth?
EarthAnimalArmy
ah but you are not telling the true truth of the truth of the true, therefore it is true that the truth is truer than true
ReturnOfFreudberg
used to be they'd just kill you.
feanoreldar
Cunt.
Lagerfunk
Sure, you can be fined and fired in some places for saying transwomen are male
Tinkrr
Remember, when you give power of censorship, eventually the wrong people might be in power... And Scientology has tons of lawyers and more.
BQZip
well, if it's offensive to a Brit, yes...which shows just how absurd it is...America was right to fight a war to get away from this lunacy!
CatOnTheRoof
That has always been the case
override367
How can you defend liberal human rights like right to self determination and gender equality and honestly talk about any abrahamic faith?
TheOtherOneWithTheHair
Easy, just be a postmodernist scumbag that pretends not to believe in the truth, only a dystopian power struggle where might makes right.
Noodlesocks
Only the wrong kind of truth.
bobziIIa
It’s not a cult if you gain religious tax exemptions.
Torrello
Well no one really cares about truth any more
TheOtherOneWithTheHair
Some do, but they're all immediately branded as "nazis" by the mainstream left in every western country.
FuzzyX
Concerning, when this is saying you cant critize or insulting bad acts. If we accept that then bad people can do what they want.
hedgewizard
In the UK, if the authorities call it "hate speech" you're pretty much screwed.
TheWhiteRat
Yes.
chardlz
Ya know who Charles Murray is? He wrote a book about IQ and got lambasted as a racist because he reported his scientific findings without
chardlz
saying anything racist. In fact, he and his co-author devoted pages to talking about how they weren't racist and that they were just
chardlz
reporting the facts. People that want you to stop talking because you hurt their feelings don't care about facts or truth or honesty. They
chardlz
just want to feel "secure" which tends to mean "having control over the actions of somebody who may cause perceived harm"
HolyCringeLordBatman
Yeah, no. The Bell Curve was far from a simple statement of data.
TheMagicalHindu
Thats what happens when you don't have FREEDOM
ojp1977
What's worse, to me, is being jailed for protesting a group that openly says they want to murder you because of how you live your life
Necrogasmic
Islam?
TokyosNotFarEnough
That's what got me. This group can say they want to murder that one. But I would get arrested for saying something against the 1st? Bullshit
DickDastardly404
This article is from 2013. The Outrage! members were ARRESTED in 1994. A much less gay-friendly time, and a much more tolerant place for 1/2
DickDastardly404
fundamentalist Muslims. You might recall a couple of events between then and now that changed that fact. Anyway, the Outrage! guys were1.5/2
DickDastardly404
arrested for blocking the highway, with the Public Order Act cited secondarily, and they weren't jailed. They were charged and found 1.75/2
DickDastardly404
not guilty afaik. Either way the max punishement is a fine somewhere around the low triple figures. No jail time. Imo they never 1.875/2
DickDastardly404
No, you can't. The public order act was introduced in 1986, this daily mail article dragged up shit as old as 1994 in order to make a 1/2
zippyzozippyzayzippyzappyzoopyzee
Check out Mr. Reasonable here with his facts and context. (Thanks.)
DickDastardly404
big deal about it in 2013. That was one case oft cited where "a 16 was arrested in 2008 for holding a sign saying Scientology is a 1.5/2
DickDastardly404
dangerous cult" but it's kinda simplified. A group was protesting outside the London Scientology centre, the police came to move them 1.75/2
DickDastardly404
on after complaints they were being obstructive. The entire rest of the protest agreed to move on, but the kid decided to fight it 1.875/2
DickDastardly404
so the police told him they would arrest him. He didn't move on so they gave him a court summons. The Crown Prosecution later deemed 1.975/2
MrFnortner
English libel law, as an illustration, do not allow for truth as a defense as US libel law does. In the US system of justice, telling the...
Thelegaldeagle
You do have “privilege” under the Defamation Act though. It’s pretty much the “truth” Defense.
Tinkrr
A lot of people also don't know that unlike the US "Freedom of speech" is not a freedom in lots of first world counties... Poor Dankula.
MLGsamantha
Looks like the Brits passed that law 2 years late.
AlkeneThiol
How the hell does the Daily Mail exist then?
therealVexed
a hecking lot of air quotes
BYERE
Because it's full of bullshit, and not a single truth is told within its pages!
AlkeneThiol
Ahahahahah
Abrausedteleprot
good lawyers and a healthy amount of "some sources say,"
MrFnortner
truth, even if damaging, is protected. Not so in England.
aflarge
Well that doesn't make sense. By that logic, the discovery phase of a court case technically meets the definition of libel.
Alkuam2
No wonder we left.
ThisIsNotMyTrueName
Finally, the US is less stupid about basic human rights than another country
Notracistgrandpa
Whut
RepostFromLastWeek
What. The. Fuck?
BjornRagnarock
Truth according to the Judge or the Jury? If I was a member of scientology this would be a lie. Can't use the defence
TheMythicalJackalope
Truth=fact under US law
Denbus26
Scientology has a fuckload of expensive lawyers that use any grammatical loophole they can find. Most other cults can't afford that
ILogInToUpvote
That's asinine. Telling the truth should never be illegal. That would stop whistleblowers, rape accusations, murder witnesses...
Silotic
Tell that to Sweden and Germany.
ILogInToUpvote
I would happily tell them that they are objectively wrong.
ILogInToUpvote
"HELP he's murdering me!" "I am not, and now I'm suing you for slander. I'll see you in court, after I'm done murdering you."
Onekindofpisslord
As you can see, the defendant is not present for the trial. As such, I must be right.
XtraDownvote
The truth is protected in England, however the burden to prove it's true falls on the publisher not the recipient as in the USA
ozjuggler
Don't you mean author, not recipient? Also, truth really is not accepted as defense in libel in UK. Must show truth serves Public Interest.
DrIonM0
Wait WTF, how would a UK libel case even be constructed then. The only proposition in the accusation is “I have hurt feelings”.
Tinkrr
"You hurt my feelings, change my mind" The SJW Crowder edition D:
Abrausedteleprot
"harrassment, distress or alarm" its so horrifically open ended literaly anything could be hate speach.
TheGgreen100
So the law is entirely subjectively dependent on how sensitive I am. Got it. I now find all pants offensive. World, remove pants please.
PotassiumRegulatoryCommittee
Freedom of speech would be irrelevant if nobody ever said anything offensive or insulting
feanoreldar
Go fuck yourself cool guy.
aflarge
Sorta like how racism would end if we exterminated all but one of them?
kaztas
Nah, then there'd be internal racism. Never underestimate the horrible need of a scapegoat for hate.
Trickymex
As an Englishman i refuse to pander to this PC bullshit. I don’t seek to offend but if you need to be called a cunt, ill say it.
SterlingDangerZoneArcher
Just don't teach your pug to say cunt
aflarge
HATE CRIMINAL HATE CRIMINAL HATE CRIMINAL
GapingAnalCavity
Please report to your friendly government reeducation facility for wrongthink post haste.
WrongUn
Perfectly put, fellow Limey Man!!
Sauroctonus
An Englishman wouldn't use the L-word! :O
TeaAndChocolateBiscuits
One detects an imposter amongst our ranks!
ElZaghal
Agreed. As an Arab i'm all for being free to insult others in what you all might consider to be non-understandable gibberish.
Totallynotapointwhore
Sometimes you need to call a cunt, a cunt.
DeckhandAdmiral
You been following that Count Dankula story?
jaimesgonnaeaturcookies
Oi m8 do you have a comment loicense?
Jonanon
Just don't say that in public in the UK
mickeyluv
I second the motion , I will fight for the right for you to be a prick and for anothers right to call you a prick
Sturmdodo
You're a cunt, Harry.
Railroadheavy
And get mad when people call them out for being racist. Suddenly they're the victims even though they know what they are doing.
Railroadheavy
A man who owns a coffee shop in vancouver picketed a gay wedding. He put it all over his facebook. People quit buying his coffee. 1/2
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
This is where PC isn't really understood by most people. It was meant to prevent one group of people ganging up on a powerless minority. >
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
In addition to this. Once you realise the creation of "alternative comedy" of which Stewart Lee (my username is based off one of his sets) >
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
helped co-write Jerry Springer: The Opera, when broadcast on BBC received an astronomical number of complaints, which lead to the change of>
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
blasphemy laws in the UK. Nowadays this would be called "politically uncorrect". Ignoring the real reason for political correctness!
rottingcarcasswithmaggots
Your gov't is tyranous, you should have a revolution or something
Railroadheavy
2/2 and a year later he went out of business. Being a racist isn't illegal but neither is refusing to do business with a racist.
Rediculocity
It's every Englishman's right to call a cunt a cunt
Railroadheavy
There's a difference between calling someone who deserves it a cunt and walking around shouting the n word. Most repubs do the second 1/2
NaziHunter38
Get used to prison mate.
CondescendingCunt
Go ahead.
crazy8bonkers42
I agree
DickDastardly404
and that's okay because it's actually not illegal. The clause was changed to "threatening or abusive" in 2013.
Elroydb
I'd feel abused and threatened if someone in anger called me a cunt
DickDastardly404
The legality of threatening behaviour isn’t under dispute as far as I’m concerned. It should be exactly as legal as it currently isn’t.
IllCaesar
Shhh, can't be honest and acknowledge that 99% of the time free speech isn't actually under attack and that people claiming that it is 1/2
IllCaesar
are usually just cowards afraid of the social consequences of speech and too weak to stand up for themselves and their convictions. 2/2
DickDastardly404
If free speech IS being infringed, then I'm totally against it myself. But in this case the public order act had been in place since 1/2
DickDastardly404
1986, and in that 27 year period, there were like 5 arrests and ~£500 worth of fines collectively. The laws were designed to stop 1.5/2
Isaislol
Calling someone a cunt is fine. Racially abusing someone isn't.
CountDankula2nd
Exactly. But imgur is to offended to understand
Trickymex
Stfu you cunt
otherotherbarry
auscaliber
Socially, I'd agree. Legally that's being a cunt.
BoogalooBadger
As usual the closet nazis downvote a perfectly valid comment.
Fahargo
It's amazing you associate defending free speech with defending nazis.
Isaislol
That's the paradox of tolerance.
thewurstsausage
Oi! @Trickymex! You’re a cunt, mate! ????
WhatTheHeII
Arrest this man
Trickymex
I respect this response
v
thewurstsausage
Nah you’re alright mate :)
stormegedendarklordofall
Neil Armstrong?!
RuffleMyFluffles
Wait what...? Protesting the killing of "gays, jews, and unchaste women" got people arrested in the UK?
Vedar
We had a time when it was entirely unacceptable to say anything negative about any muslim without it automatically being racism.
DickDastardly404
There was one case where a student was arrested for telling a mounted officer "do you realise your horse is gay?" and I recall something 1/2
DickDastardly404
about two guys from Outrage! being arrested in the 90s or something. The article is stretching to find people to produce as evidence 1.5/2
DickDastardly404
if it's going back that far. Should also be pointed out the public order act had been in it's previous form (insulting was removed in 1.75/2
DickDastardly404
2013) since 1986, and like 4 people have ever been arrested for it, and all of them were spurious in the extreme and treated as such 2/2
wonderbug
and yet now we have people being arrested and sentenced for a questionable joke involving a pug.
Trvekvltarsehole
People get arrested in the UK for saying mean things about Islam...not even muslims but for expressing negativitiy towards BELIEFS!
SpikeMarshall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI
Earlkay
Genuinely interested in examples of this
Earlkay
No actual examples of arrests. TR Is a nuisance who hasn’t spoken any sense since he was last paid to.
TheOtherOneWithTheHair
Look at basically every event Tommy Robinson has been to. Not far left slander about him, but the actual videos themselves.
ShatteredF1re
Sure they don't have guns to protect their rights to free speech so their government walks all over them.
lordtzar
I think their problem is they have a half-assed right to free speech...which doesn't include shit that upsets anybody. which is insane
ShatteredF1re
Guns will fix that during the 2nd civil war.
Vedar
Shove your crappy gun politics in to your own gun and fire them up your asshole.
ShatteredF1re
I'd let you do it but, you don't have a clue how firearms work.
Vedar
of course not, i've never had a need to use one
DickDastardly404
Is that what you do in the US then? You defend your free speech with guns? Tell me how many times have you shot a police officer who was 1/2
ShatteredF1re
Absolutely. Amendment #1 is right to free speech. Amendment #2 is the right to bear guns to prevent the takeover of a tyrannical gov
DickDastardly404
And look what a fantastic state your country is in!
DickDastardly404
infringing on your right to say whatever you want? 2/2
ShatteredF1re
We are dangerously close to police officers getting shot for suppressing our freedom of speech. They are being tyrannical. And we own guns.
DickDastardly404
Good luck with that
Syralight
But Americans don't use their guns to protect against their government. They use them to kill each others.
ShatteredF1re
Good one
ILikeCharmanderOk
lol
spospartan104
That's not how any of this works. Having guns wouldn't have stopped this. As we've seen plenty of failures with that in the USA
ShatteredF1re
Violent crime almost unanimously goes up when guns go down. Its just the truth statistically. I don't care how you FEEL.
ShatteredF1re
30k dead annually by firearms in USA. 500k to 3million saved by firearms every year. Maybe exponentially more. Who do you care about?
ShatteredF1re
Down vote the truth all you want Democrats. The truth is the truth.
ILikeCharmanderOk
10 million lives are saved by potatoes every year. I can pull numbers out of my asshole too lol u silly imbecile.
ShatteredF1re
It's called statistics from the FCC. They are posted online for intelligent people to read. Your the reason America is failing. Stupidity
fanta0040
I'm not gonna weight in, sauce: https://www.nap.edu/catalog/18319/priorities-for-research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence
ShatteredF1re
Do ANY amount of research and you will see your wrong.
TristanVIII
*You're.
SmolTenk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
ShatteredF1re
Yes we are on the brink of a 2nd civil war. Don't you see the country deviding? I hope your ready to fight for your freedoms because I am.
spospartan104
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge
ShatteredF1re
What does that have to do with anything?
ShatteredF1re
26 loons who claimed to"believe in god" took over a building with guns. And we used the police and their guns to stop it.
ikagawa
Now that there are two counter claims against you, what is your response?
ShatteredF1re
Their counter points do not alter my facts.
ImgursLibertarian
Freedom of speech > Freedom from hurt feelings
HappyShark
maxstout808
Always upvote Jordan Peters
BlackPengu
In Germany, you can tell people they are an asshole, but you could get charged with offending behaviour and get fined thousands of euros.
BlackPengu
why? Because telling somebody they *are* an asshole is stating a fact -> illegal. Tell somebody *in their opinion they're an asshole ->legal
shhep
I'd like to point out for some nations there's difference between hurt feelings and say, fucking nazism and people advocating genocide kurwa
shhep
Polandball being such example. Your flirting with neonazis by rendering them legal... you do that. We've had tad worse experiences so excuse
shhep
us for constitutionally banning any form of ideology that if adopted by masses and political platforms means literal, actual death.
fnhngest
i really wish more people stepped away from the ideological “WE SHOULD LET EVERYONE SUPPORT WHATEVER IDEOLOGY” to see the reality of what
fnhngest
harm some ideologies can do (those that call for violence) when left unchecked and allowed to flourish. its the tolerance paradox.
ozjuggler
People cannot be relied on to make unbiased assessments of negative claims, so there has to be laws against saying false claims which hurt.
TokyosNotFarEnough
Like libel laws? That's fine, but the UK law is ridiculous.
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Coolex
maybe you don't understand what freedom means
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IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
That's offensive! See you in court, bucko!
FromTheShadow
I bet you play priest.
Beeseik
I see you.
Hatchitt
CountDankula2nd
gas the jews isn't offensive. It's hate speech. there is a difference
Under25BMI
Shh, don't tell Google, facebook, Reddit, and Twitter that. They ban people who don't think exactly the same way as they want.
sgtkirill
Downvoting this only proves you've bought into propaganda by these companies. Corporate censorship is a real issue.
CountDankula2nd
Don't forget imgur
Under25BMI
They dont ban you yet. Just downvote you.
CountDankula2nd
true, then they can say that they allow everyone to voice their opinion
aflarge
There's a lot of fucked up shit about America, but I'd still rather live here than anywhere else. I'm a big fan of our Constitution.
ImgursLibertarian
Me too. I'm a Minarchist.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Username does not check out
ImgursLibertarian
Minarchy. As small a government as is reasonable and effective. This falls well inside of the Libertarian umbrella.
ImgursLibertarian
Libertarianism is NOT anarchy, though anarchy is a form of libertarianism.
DreadJr
“We may not always get it right, but there’s no place else I’d rather live my life”
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
A-fucking-men. We may be fuck ups, but at least we are relatively free to be fuck ups.
nrvagntsoleatr360
YouTube shows this of daily.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
In the UK you probably need a license to be a fuck up
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Heyoooooo
4FingeredBandit
How's that net nuetrality thing going
nigglemaster
That's offensive. I'll be seeing you in court.
Erick891
Actually, nothing changed. We lived without this for like 10 years.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Nothing has changed at all about the internet. Almost like alarmist sensationalism is ridiculous
Isuckedalotofpenisforthisname
America is one of the less PC places especially compared to West Europe.
jsktrogdor
That's a pretty narrow view of the world. There's a lot of places where the concept of "PC" literally does not exist.
DTownFunkyStuff
And Canada. They’re arresting stand up comedians for “offensive” jokes
ModernDarpa
Wait what? Last I heard the comedians are trying to make a stand against humor after the little jeremie thing in Montreal
missthista
Don't forget article c-16 which forces people to use made up pronouns (ze/zer) even though there are only 2 genders
HolyCringeLordBatman
Cite me the language in that ammendment that makes that a crime. The Canadian BAR association shit on that professors amateur
HolyCringeLordBatman
Legal interpretation of that bill, did you actually read it, or just get upset because a pundit or a YouTube video told you to.
BoogalooBadger
Really? Less taxation but shitty workers rights, shitty healthcare, big pharma fucking over the little guy. Nope.
JNied
Less taxation is a good thing, workers have the freedom to move away from a bad job, and American health care is the best in the world...
JNied
...it's just really expensive.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
You get what you pay for.
katwa
Ditto.
aflarge
I said there's a lot of fucked up shit about it. At least jokes aren't illegal here, though.
aflarge
Free Speech is the most fundamental human right. Without it, everything else can be stripped away with little to no effort.
TylerWarranty
To each their own. I've never known anything else so I can't pass judgement
MrSnowy
Take my upvote, i wish more people had views like you
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
Don't forget being arrested for jokes, police halting investigations of sex trafficking... wait, that's Europe
aflarge
Making offending people illegal is inherently retarded, because it can only be selectively enforced.
SwedishKarl
Yep, muslims are the only victims
lordtzar
PC culture is insidious.
Iankill
Keep in mind this is the uk where for centuries insulting a person of higher standing could get a punishment
FuckityFucker
Thats pretty much every country mate.
SarcasticComment
Exactly. Nothing like having the politically motivated government of today decide where the line is especially when each party has an agenda
SpaceSphere
TehSeksyManz
The slipperiest of slopes
jobo5614
Morty: Ooo, oh boy Rick, I-I don't think you're allowed to say that word. Ya know?
GaleazzoMusolesi
did you just used the r word?
Vandaliam
No. He said retarded.
GaleazzoMusolesi
/sarcmark
SwiftBlackWolf
careful, you’ll get arrested for saying “retarded”.
aflarge
Nah don't worry, I live where we still have rights, for now.
MonsieurLeMoustache
STFU IDIOT AND STOP OVERREACTING LIKE THAT
b1c3
Some folks might not appreciate the sarcasm
ronangelo
Sarcasm can only be delivered effectively by a few.
Johnsnowden
SorenAziz
The idea that someone being offended should matter is idiotic in the first place. We're supposed to challenge, question and criticize!
SorenAziz
If your thoughts and soeech causes offense, you might be onto something.
0ut0fBoundsException
hey yeah good point. Still fuck you though for using that word
Sandyundertones
It depends. There is a blurry line between speech which is jus offensive and that which is harrassing. Free speech has never been unlimted.
MrRavellon
It is not inherently retarded. It is inherently malicious. Or do you think the people that drafted those laws did not realize what they /
MrRavellon
/were doing?
domenick91
There's a difference between making jokes a person and hating a person. Just because I think something is funny doesn't mean I hate em
Ssssssssssss
And usually it will be enforced by or on the behalf of people who demonstrate exceptional loyalty to the sitting government. Hm.
aflarge
Otherwise, taking offense to the law would make said law(and the lawmakers who pushed it through, for that matter) in violation of itself.
SarcasticComment
Not necessarily, the bullshit oversight committee established by the government would be designed to not agree with your logic.
AlkeneThiol
It would be difficult to prove that a law causes offense. There's no precedent for it and no expert psychologist would testify.
AnAccountToPostThis
How do you psychologically prove offense? Its literally one of the most subjective things possible
aflarge
I mean. I'm offended by it. I'm sure plenty of brits are offended by it. Or is that not what's referred to by offense?
MsDifficulty
yep, totally subjective and power hungry
ASDFFDSAASDFASDF
thats the entire point of doing it though. what you're calling a bug see as a feature
TheLetterKay
Right? We would basically be arresting all old people that are stuck in their racist ways. The harmless ones that just use bad language.
Isorikk
I'm offended by your use of the word retarded, see you in court 8)
littlegoblin
when retards makes the rules, expect retarded results
Vedar
I've got a solution, everybody has offended somebody else at some time or other so we all just have to spend a year in jail.
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
I'm offended by people saying that they are offended by such things but no one will be arrested for offending me.
saywhaaaaaat
inherently mentally challenged*
aap71
pierrelaplace
I'm offended by the word "retarded".
CitizenPrime
*subjectively
BoogalooBadger
Has anybody here actually read the legislation? Has Atkinson read the actual legislation? I suspect it differs from the portrayal here.
CountDankula2nd
it does. but people like to circlejerk and complain about problems that arn't real
thewurstsausage
Yup. For example I take offense to the word retard. Should laws change cos I get offended? Absolutely not. It’s my opinion and not fact.
surfay
Everything is an opinion, every law ever made and enforced is based on an opinion
ajpimpsalll
Thank you for not being a retard about this. World needs more people like you.
mmurrbles
You sound retarded.
gordolio
And this is what makes us a modern society. The freedom to say retarded things such as this.
tylerstubs
But his use could be implying that such action is retarding (delaying the progress of) society and further proving the OP's original point.
thewurstsausage
That is true sir. Ergo, before I get offended, I should take a moment to think it through... oh, you see, there I go applying logic again...
KWJester49
All uses of the word retard, or only when it is misappropriated to be used as an insult?
awesomebychoice
Put it this way. You don't call retarded people retards. It's bad taste. You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded. -Mike S
KWJester49
I call mentally retarded people mentally retarded when talking about them/their condition if its relevant. i dont address anyone as retarded
thewurstsausage
Precisely. I appreciate the opinions of you bunch of retards.
StealthyNinja7
I'm offended. Arrest him officer!
DickDastardly404
hey there. I'm riding the coattails of your comment to point out that the "insult" clause of the Public Order Act was revoked way back 1/2
DickDastardly404
in 2013. In the UK the only things that you can be arrested for saying are things that incite racial hatred or qualify as hate speech. 1.5/2
DickDastardly404
So you are totally free to say "I fucking hate muslims/ gays/ minorities generally", but you are not free to say "we should kill them". 2/2
Vedar
Then in that case I fucking hate muslims/ gays/ minorities generally ;D
DickDastardly404
and I defend your right to say so, even if I think it makes you a horrible rotting prick.
CountDankula2nd
great point. but it seems that most people here want to be able to say they can kill people
SirStrongBad
I object to your use of the word "retarded" as an insult but because I'm an adult I'm going to accept it and move on with my life.
aflarge
And I tend to object to people assuming authority over what sounds I'm allowed to make, but when asked politely, I'll at least try.
aflarge
When around them, I mean*
SirStrongBad
If more people would you shut the fuck up and move on with their life it would be a much better world to live in
bryanew710
It's government trying to legislate morality (words and thoughts) instead of legality (actions and results).
surfay
What about threatening to harm someone directly, just words, what about that particular case?
bryanew710
To clarify: trying to change how you talk *about* people is trying to legislate morality instead of legality.
surfay
In practice, every government legislate morality since they determine what is punishable and what not and Universal morality does not exist
bryanew710
I didn't say it was a wide line. That said, there's a difference between insults and threats.
HemlockMoonwolf
The fact that you're offended offends me. Instant stalemate.
ASDFFDSAASDFASDF
nah, massive fines for everybody! :D government wins
aflarge
Well the fact that you offense-stalemated me offends me to however offended you are TIMES TWO NO MATTER WHAT. Fucking eat it, scrub; I win.
dontmindmepls
boTH OF YOU OR OFFENDING THE COURT!!!! DEATH IS YOUR SENTENCE! court wins evrytim
SergeantPoliteness
Exactly. You can’t make “hate speech” illegal when there is no objective definition and no objective examples of it.
ernesclenss9000
You can. It's not easy, but that's what science of law does.
ApsychicRat
it my understanding hate speach is hating someone for what they are not who they are. because they are black, not cuz he is an asshole
BoogalooBadger
Basically the police guage if the crime is in the public interest to take to court, take a punt and see if it sticks.
sunyudai
The issue there is that they can take "the public interest" to mean "their interest" or "the government's interest"
Fedotia
It isnt objective if their is a law to define it.
BoogalooBadger
Interpretation and precedence is set by a court if the legislation contains no clear definition. Sometimes they refer to dictionaries!
genitalfungus
Sure we can. Hate speech = criticism + privilege. Only white people are privileged. Therefore, hate speech is whites criticizing nonwhites.
nautiwryn
Ha ha ha
genitalfungus
You laugh, but I've actually heard this argument uttered in sincerity by people in real life.
nautiwryn
I laughed because I actually couldn't tell if you were serious or not.
LordFenris
Yea I'm not at all surprised.
SwedishKarl
Anything negative about Islam is "hate speech." That's really all they are worried about now.
EverythingIsAwful
Exactly. You’ll never see Muslims prosecuted under this law
FuckityFucker
Actually the precursor to this law was to ban muslim imams preaching violence, several have been prosecuted under hate speech.
AnAccountToPostThis
Only the ones advocating domestic terrorism. You wont see a muslim prosecuted for hating white people. The opposite will happen constantly.
aPokal
I hope it "backfires" when they inevitably put bots to search, that got auto translate and "suddenly" find Arabic hate speech.