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hotaru251
If a McDonalds employee lied to their boss...they'd risk losing their job...and thats an entry job...a govjob with higher requirements SHOULD have always punished lying harshly...as you are not telling truth and by lying you are scamming the voters who put you there.
YippeeKayakOB
In Denmark, if a minister knowingly provides false information to Parliament, it may lead to legal consequences under the rules governing ministerial responsibility. For instance in 2021, Inger Støjberg, a nasty racist right wing politician, got sentenced to 60 days in prison (but served at home) for unlawfully ordering the automatic separation of asylum-seeking couples without individual assessments.
syko2k
This should be the standard
teardropivyyearofthetiger
newdeckchairforthetitanic
100% support. 👈🏻 hey world!!!
BlindMeach
Government should be like jury service. We all have to do some, and we’re all accountable.
Kilo11
Lol no
BlindMeach
Hehe just what my sober ass will say too
METROlD
Yes, please
Tjitso
And who decides who's lying?
AnOceanOfStars
Imagine if a doctor told people that they just have a cold when they're spitting blood from cancer.
psmith00
but where do you find any honest politicians to replace them. (i know it sounds like a question but it's more a statement of fact.)
bangonsteve0
Wales is not a country
Someshithead241
That's why politicians are already experts in technical or half truths. They say something that is truthful, in the strongest technicality, but will lead you to make your own conclusion that is false and what they hoped for.
A book had a character who couldn't lie so he makes great examples of how this can be done.
He says he "killed the enemy just be wiggling his finger." What he leaves out is the bell attached to that finger which attracts something that kills the enemy for him.
Someshithead241
For politics it will be a lot of correlation doesn't equal causation type stuff, or why they say that "Biden was *certified* president." Not elected or won.
To convict on a lie it has to be false in full and provable that they did it knowing the truth. Which is not the same as being wrong.
BHOUND
Would the Jab and the good doctor Fauci qualify for this?
weidermeijer
This should be interesting.
spitfires2000
Rockstonicko
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tinyfootprints
After they are elected, or before, or both?
daguq
Sure.
SamuraiChemist
Source? While I don't have much faith in my nations politicians, I give them more credit than that. Sounds like prior restraint with extra steps to me.
nam8y
Yeah, right. They will soon learn how possible that is. Because it's not.
Freeasabird2015
So dreams do come true!
PerthAussieMike
Little white lies or blatant lies? Massive grey area in between. It sounds like a good idea but it will come back to bite them.
Kilo11
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1YXRldGgxYW9zODU4YnU1M3h5OWwwODcwaWQ5ZG55NzFiZmlibjhhZyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/mR9dWo88e5jFe/200w.webp
bobtheaxolotl
I had a dream where giant floating heads of truth started following politicians around and screaming "LIE" in a massive, thundering voice every time they would tell a lie. But this is good too.
Tesaphine
But... can't this be abused? If the wrong people gain power and then use this law to claim their opponents are lying, just to get them removed?
ThailandExpress
you need a independent judiciary to adjudicate facts & evidence at a jury trial for it to work
NChomsky
If we had that in this US empire of elite terrorists, child molesters, boot lickers & generic criminals, both congress & the orange house would look like fucking ghost towns, with only a handful of fucking staff left.
Vallete
The real problem is that they are already breaking laws and not getting in trouble, what's one more law to break without consequences?
Destro24
Guess we mere commoners would be so lost without our elites telling us what to do? We run the operations of businesses that make people rich but can’t do anything without them. /s
bobbobbybobbington
this is misleading, specifically lying to get votes
so the brexit vote would have had people being charged for the bullshit about the money we would "get back"
article link:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8n99727lvo
Catheren
So this law would arrest members who said things like "I support trans rights" and then voted to have them arrested if trans folks used the wrong bathroom? Because I really feel that's an obvious and blatant thing and they SHOULD lose their job for doing things like that.
Mind, I am assuming that Wales doesn't have any "oh and we tacked THIS constitutional violation on the end of a bill this politician WOULD have approved if someone hadn't edited it in last night."
bobbobbybobbington
there is a separate part that covers recalling politicians who have failed their constituents, the main law in the headlines seems to be regarding using falsehoods to get elected. For example, during brexit, the proponents said we were losing money, because they concealed that we got money back from the EU
side note, the UK doesn't have a codified constitution
also also, the Senedd is is a devolved parliament with limited powers
Catheren
Many thanks for the nifty info on the UK end of political things- I didn't know the 1:1 comparisons across the pond as I am stuck in the Flaming Shithole Country for now.
I was more wondering how it's implemented- how is it determined "that was a lie" and, as someone who's watching crimes get ignored by cops all over the place, what authority does the arresting/removing from office.
KlobberSaurus
I support.
smsbuCandyMonster
I support it as well ( or as weel or as wale or as weal )
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"Now that we're in power, we have staffed the truth finding commission exclusively with loyal party members. So if we tell you the economy is going great and so is the war, you better no disagree."
cenfou2tout
What war, there no war in bassingsay...
PyroDragon
As a Dragon, so do I.
BananaForScaIe
That sounds like the kind of thing a politician would say.
Kilo11
You support the theory but I guarantee you that you won't like the implementation
smsbuCandyMonster
Implement just like traffic court or tort jury
RatOnnaStick
Oh, they should be able to lie to each other, just not to campaign with lies.
Kilo11
If they dont campaing with lies they wouldn't say anything at all
crasshtack
Perfect, the ones who won’t say anything will lose to those who will say something.
Kilo11
Lying? I wasn't lying I had outdated information, someone on my team made a mistake and we are looking into it. Furthermore, in 2008 I was awarded the blah blah blah blah .
Its a fluf law to make people think the government is on their side when in reality it will just get used by the government to get rid of politicians who they feel aren't playing ball
ruferto
Tbh, those are valid excuses. It's only a lie if it's knowingly given in bad faith, and if you can reasonably suspect that, then fire them. But don't punish honest mistakes
Kilo11
Fauci knowgly lied, proven by private emails sent by him, yet he walks free and clear and is even well supported after the fact
hotaru251
its the "intent" that makes it bad.
Making a false claim accidently is an accident so long as you publically correct your claim in time.
If you double down thoguh....thats the issue.
syoebiusprime
So what is your proposal to improve democratic governance? Is there any step we could take that is both acceptable to you and not immediately perfect?
Your position is one that is aligned with anti-democratic bot.campaings. if you don't like that fact, I invite you to modify your position.
OmgOptimized
In short, we should make them unfirable instead, so that they dare speak out against their unfirable collegues. Or something?
Kilo11
Why is it everytime a bad idea is pitched that sounds slightly better than the current one and people call it out for what it is, inevitably someone starts screaming about how terrible the current one is. Yes we know its bad now but this new one isnt better its ment to sound better to the dumb masses. Lying under oath is a huge offense yet everyone does it with no reprocusions. This just streamlines the government's ability to get rid of undesirables in government with a bs charge.
OmgOptimized
That's a problem with applying the law, indeed.
Having a law that says that something isn't permissible is still an improvement even if selective application or the inevitable questions about the exact limits of truth-stretching still applies.
Kilo11
That just means you aprove more of just the idea of change and not change itself
OmgOptimized
If existing laws literally cover everything the new one does, and they require the same various conditions to be applicable, then sure it's just text churn and redundant. But saying it's not worth passing new laws because they can be misused is also just letting perfect be the enemy of good.
BeaverOnFire
Like all politics, anything moving in the right direction is a good thing. If you had to get across town and use public transit, would you refuse to go because there wasn't a non-stop bus to take you there?
BishlamekGurpgork
There are a lot of instances where it's been provable that someone lied with intent, or were too careless to know the truth of matters where they had to be aware they had access to the facts.
Sure, people will just be more cautious with their emails, etc, but the lies will get more careful, too, meaning a reduction of their scope, and that still won't save every liar.
Yes, it's hard to enforce. Domestic violence is hard to enforce. Child sexual abuse is hard to enforce. We still need the laws.
Kilo11
BishlamekGurpgork
Good example. That politician should be well aware of the fact that he's an obligate carnivore, (a real lion wouldn't, they just know they don't like them. But then, they also can't talk). I don't think he has access to the argument that his statement was a mistake.
And as a misleading statement that supports a political candidate, it's EXACTLY in the scope of the new law Wales is implementing.
Kilo11
Oh the lion wasn't lying, once elected it was discovered that he was highly allergic to leafy greens so his medical staff placed him on an all natural ethically sourced protein diet.
BishlamekGurpgork
So, string of unremarked murders lasting his entire term of office to support the argument that a society of talking animals wouldn't know a lion was an obligate carnivore.
We're kinda getting out there.
forelle
Safety? Its a fluf to think safety belts will make all car accidents survivable in some cases people will just die anyways. /s The perfect is the enemy of the good. Just because a measure won't catch 100% of the cases doesn't mean it catches none.
Kilo11
Lying under oath would like to have a word with you
forelle
Why? I live in a country where lying under oath ends political careers. Just because you guys fail utterly to enforce your existing mechanisms, doesn't mean the standard has been lowered elsewhere.
Kilo11
Here lying under oath is just a regular Tuesday and there in lies the problem, both our viewpoints are correct because we are both experiencing 2 very different but very real worlds. In your world this works, in mine it won't.
HairyChairstepper
Where? Next to the unicorns? What is your mythical country that holds the "powerful" accountable? Forgive my agitation, I'm just disillusioned by my government.