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rhetoricIjustmether
I expected to feel outraged but after reading that I feel horrible for the mom and older brother.
Alexkorobeiniki
Same. Based on the title you expect one situation but then you learn the full story and it’s just… hoo boy
Rodenbeard
Assuming this is all true, euthanasia is more than a blessing for this kid and his family.
PatrickTrimble
Fuck. What a difficult situation to go through. I feel for this person
MaxReboBand
mkelter
Death sounds like it would be a blessing for her child. I'm well aware life matters but it doesn't like the child is alive. Im sad for both
TheDudeSkywalker
Maybe death is better than non-life? Whats the point of keeping him alive if hes literally doing nothing?
Dontworrybesalty
I agree, all the situation breeds is resentment and poverty. And I say that with no malice; I would expect anyone to do the same for me.
Cheesecakecrush
Guilt. Most of us are raised and firmly believe in protecting innocent life. Kid didn't do this to himself. Such a tough situation.
LiteralFish
Yeah but I would argue it's not a "kid" it's just the empty shell of one.
Easy to say from outside of the situation
RayZerKai
It's definitely a kid. I believe the issue is if he has 'life'.
YoSoyMilk
CheddarDreams
Honestly this is my biggest fear of becoming a parent, it would be better to have no children than one like this. Not to sound selfish but
This sounds like a literal hell of an existence
Goblor
As someone who worked in a care facility this is pretty common and I really really understand her
GoodCat51
Whoever originally posted this on reddit, if it is current, I hope you and you older boy have a good week.
NeynasGhost
Comment by @housevil says it's from June.
kJerAFK
My fiance has already said she would abort her pregnancy if there are severe disabilities, it made me sad but she's right.
tcgl
My cousin aborted a severely disabled fetus. They have 2 boys now they wouldn't have had otherwise. I think they made the right choice.
Wedsa95
Over here you get to choose if you want a kid with down syndrome. And yeah people don't bat an eye if you say that you aborted one.
Imwaytoobadwithchoosingusernames
She knew he would have down Syndrome, it just wasn't cleare it would be so bad...
bouncebounceandtheclaw
Life can still be extremely tough with Downs. I think it's glamorized and sugar coated and "fetishized" to be honest.
HighFunctioningSociopath221B
Over where?
Zeiserl
That's great but that isn't what he has. The mother chose to have a kid with down syndrome but it was a whole different disability
xMCioffi1986x
The various names she called him were extremely hard to read, but I can't imagine going through what she has gone through. She's just done.
weaselodoom
I het why the names though. Dehumanize him and not make any connections so she doesnt regret it. Honestly, if i were in her shoe i would
End up doing the exact same thing.
HeirElfSquire
Another reason no kids..I'm pretty sure this would happen to me and I'd have to pull all the plugs.
ApparentlyImaPsychopath
Same
L0StWaNdErEr
I have a friend who has a step son in this situation. I feel for his family and I often wonder why they don’t do the same.
letstalknews
Looked downed on by society. They should have done this at birth but they cant.
Blrp0
ikagawa
Social stigma and personal guilt.
Thephedora
Mostly the social stigma. "You have to take care of x even if it destroys you."
wiilyc22
Personal guilt for sure. You can see in the post, she refers to him as different things to dehumanize him and make it an easier decision.
WeekendMashSomeTatoes
True true
Kligan
That lump of flesh is not a person though.
It is a person, they are still attached to her. That’s why this is difficult. I agree though w/ her and you. Not much of a person at all.
kubi
If you're willing to listen to her story yes. Problem is some people will stop at/before "down's syndrome" to judge.
ragechild
I’m a mom of 4 kids, and it was really hard to read this... The price is to high for the rest of the family, sorry to say, I support her:-((
niferca
This is why abortion should be legal worldwide. That poor kid will never have a proper life
ItWasIWhoFarted
Mum and older son deserve a life. I'm ethically 100% on mums side. If younger son were a different species we'd euthanize him.
Camelspotting
That's not good ethical reasoning.
He's on oxygen, tube fed and shows no reaction to anything. Without machines,m he would've peacefully passed away a long time ago. Who are 1
you protecting by keeping him 'alive'? 2
What does that have to do with treatment between species? Nothing. Use your own logic ffs.
Quite a lot I'd argue. He's not really alive but is kept that way for no other reason than being human. Despite that everything that makes 1
Frankiejoneston
It's a little weird to screencap people's post on /r/confessions and post them here for points, isn't it?
SatanWAP6669
Lets give op the benefit of the doubt. They were trying to strike deep/thoughtful conversation & it worked
EngineeringComedy
The day my vegitated state brother died was the saddest and happiest day of my life.
Damn dude. ?1
SHININTURDZ
This is why human euthanasia should be allowed. If I had a fleshlump like that I wouldn't want it either
Akiru
It's not so black and white, but I understand what you mean. I too approve of assisted euthanasia.
Yeah it's a tough subject. I'm very happy to have been able to help my kitty in this way, so I would want it too if I was suffering.
Are you serious? Who on earth could be possible able to draw the line on where this would be right and where not?
westwood8183
They have ethics committees for similar situations already.
I dunno, I don't think it's ethical to let people or animals suffer in any way like this... euthanasia is about compassion for everyone
LooseSeall
Those who have a better understanding of the mind, body, science, and ethics than you would. Committees of doctors who understand the stakes
parasztarcal
If I ever ended up being one, I'd want it ended ASAP, that's my main concern.
Me too! Holy crap me too
SheDevilinaSnuggie
This. Hubby & I have an agreement, a nasty tumble will happen, down a long flight of stairs, or off a cliff while sightseeing. Do not want
Vanwolfster
Give him to someone who is pro-life and see how quickly they'll change their perspective.
Djkb6718
I think we both know those soapboxers are pro babies and not pro life. If they were, they'd be on the border helping the living.
PonchoPuggo
It's shit to call him names, but I get where she's coming from. Situations like this are a big reason I am hesitant about having a baby.
Why? I bet you anything her calling him names didn't hurt his feelings or have an effect on him at all.
Ataash
Lot of anger and resentment, she'll probably regret saying it eventually. Stress and loss can screw someone up in the head. For a time.
Nicki20
Yeah reading her calling him a potato and cucumber was hard to read but I wouldn't wish that situation on my worst enemy
DocWino
It May be part of her coping mechanism. It may help to separate her from her feelings for the boy and what she has to do.
3nd3rwiggin
Exactly what I was thinking. In a hostage situation you do everything you can to humanize yourself to the captors. She, the exact opposite.
We are one.
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
It seems harsh, but I think the reason for calling him names is to impress upon us that he is alive only in the technical sense, he's not
really a human being or a child. True, it was hard to read, but in some cases death is really a blessing. This is beyond 'special needs'.
GadenKerensky
He only had the bare minimum of autonomous functions.
princesssmartypants
I really think she has had to dehumanize him in her mind, blame him for many things, to be able to give him away.
That's a good point. Makes me sad.
ThatCanadianViking
Thats my exact thoughts. I feel for her
It is sad AF all around
wastedpoptart
Yea, it’s one thing to agree it’s for the best to give up a child but the way she blames and dehumanizes the child is a bit over the top.
oldlampsfornew
I felt a little uncomfortable when I read that as well. But I understand that her life has been ruined because of her son.
Also, I don’t see why she wouldn’t tell her therapist about her feelings. Seems like something that needs to be addressed
She might be worried about the therapist trying to 'change her mind', regardless of how likely that really is.
AmandaGrace2770
It's possible she's worried that it would mess up her chances of getting back the right to make medical decisions for him. At some point 1/?
She was diagnosed with depression and at that point the state took away her right to make medical decisions for him and gave that power 2/?
Should she be entitled to make choices that affect the mother and older son so heavily? 5/5
Necessary so that's what's happening. Personally, I think the MIL shod take a flying leap. She doesn't care for the kid every day so why 4/?
whoopsywoo
This is why I'm pro abortion
OneLeggedDog
In this situation I agree. Aborting because you "don't want the baby" which is otherwise completely healthy, is where I have issue.
birdsintrees
Hi there, I’m curious about your point of view. So would you advise the woman/couple use preventative measures or just not have sex?
Absolutely use preventative measures. It's cheap and there are plenty of actions an individual can take.
But once you engage is vaginal sex, understand the possible consequences and be prepared to face them. Plan for the worst, hope for the best
Thank you. I’ve been pro choice almost my entire life and I think the two sides have a lot more in common than some would think.
I appreciate hearing your POV. It sounds like you want women and men to have access to preventative measures just as much as I do
Doshegotabooty
It really doesn’t matter if you have issue with it. Not your organs or DNA? Then you don’t get to decide what others do with theirs.
Seeing as how individuals have opinions about various social and ethical issues, I'm voicing mine. And it matters to me.
Are you the one willing to sacrifice your own life, risk dying, destroy your finances, all for someone else’s life? How would you feel if ->
->you were forced to donate a kidney to someone you don’t even know so they’ll survive, all bc some random had an opinion that you should?
As far as I'm concerned the issue is about defending those who are unable to defend themselves. That's why I hold this belief.
As far as I'm concerned what makes human life worth a damn is not just unique DNA. It's consciousness. And the conscious one is the mom.
I believe life begins at conception. I believe it is better to err on the side of caution. Potentiality is what is important 1/
whyohwhyohwhy1
so, I'm guessing that you probably think that it's ok to go ahead and abort this kid, even at , say 4 years old?
captainikag
Hell yeah brother
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Adopt the child or shut the fuck up.
spiffylookingnerfherder
Can't answer for the poster above, but at 4 years it would be euthanasia seems like it's absolutely the moral, ethical, and kind thing to do
GlowstickJedi
At that point it's euthanasia, and yes.
wow
Feel free to take on the responsibility to care for the child, then.
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
Its not abortion at 4 years old... but yes.,
The usual argument against abortion is life, but even pro-birthers would have a hard time arguing that this kid is alive by any measure.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
A hard time logically argueing for its they absolutely tey as seen in several comments.
I doubt it. They seem to think a fetus is alive and it doesn't have a consciousness or autonomy either.
Thisismyworkacc0unt
In this case. Absolutely.
Ffgghjkll
You know how often those tests are wrong? Its a lot. Also I know some wonderful people with downs who have done more than you will.
Why should anyone get to kill them? They're not worth less than you
nicolaisheen
I dont think she knew how many problems the child would have.
frozentoastbread
Well she did kinda know. She was told it would have downs.
She said she was excited. That she was prepared, because Downs kids can still have personality.
eugenialukin
Down's people are still very much people. Not everybody is up to raising one, but she seemed to be. Can't compare to what she's describing.
Question is something like this detectable before the child is born? If so it would probably be better to terminate and try again right?
It is, but not in an ultrasound. The phenotype looks like Down's, the OP says, and the actual genetic screening wasn't covered for her.
Snotty128
I’m no expert, but my kids had a test very early in the pregnancy which would show a significant genetic abnormality. A choice was made here
Gianttesticlemonster
I have NF1. Any woman I conceive a child with and I may be faced with this exact decision. May case is about a 1/10. Some people can be 1/
Illthinkofausernamelater
What is NF1?
A gene mutation that causes a laundry list of cosmetic and neurological side effects varying in severity from case to case. I have a glioma
On my optic nerve, about 30 birth marks. A couple growths around my body. No fiagnosed developmental issues though, for which I'm thankful
Very high on the autism spectrum, and have more severe cosmetic growths and marks, as well as nerve tumors. I've only ever had 1 that needed
Surgery. I would never want to risk having a child with it. Science has gotten to the stage it can be detected during pregnancy
Slixxman69
Have you considered getting clipped yourself?
mikeatike
You are a good person, and there is always adoption.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
I'm not saying it to be mean, but you should seriously considering getting a vasectomy and adopting instead of potentially forcing that 1/?
kind of decision on someone else / having a child with disabilities for what is "This is my genetic child" reasons. 2/2
RobbVesir
Nah, that's pro eugenics. There was no way to tell that this would be that kid's life
Sadly, in this case it wouldn't have solved the problem since it was made clear she knew it would in the least have Downs and they 1/?
welcomed it. If anything, this would fall into legalized assisted suicide, which also should be a thing we have. 2/2
Hybris51129
It's stories like this that make it harder to not believe in at least some level of eugenic screening. It's a slippery slope but (1
it has to be more humane to everyone from the victim and their family to society in general especially in severe cases like this. (2/2
It wouldn't help. For one, neither Down's nor what this kid has are inherited, they're random chromosomal abnormalities.
weputliquidpaperonabeeanditdied
you're pro abortion because of EXTREMELY rare circumstances like this one?
RunsWithScizrs
There are EXTREMELY common circumstances that happen that make people pro abortion too.
getridofTheSeaword
I’m not op but I am, cuz extremely rare doesn’t seem fucking rare when it happens to u or someone u know. Imagine being forced to live this?
winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning doesn't seem rare when it happens to u
What's your point? Do lightning strike victims not matter to you because they're rare? Think we should disregard them because they're rare?
DeepBlueNothing
Is it murder to pull the plug? Like if a person only lives on tubes and machines can't they be taken off the machines?
VulcanP90
pulling the plug in this case would be salvation. send this kid home.
MakeAnotherVTMGame
People put pets down for less. Chemically-assisted suicide should be 100% legal.
Dave217
Pull the tubes and he lives. But in a caveman world he would never survive. Fact that he's destroying lives by being allowed to survive.
Should be enough to reason the abandonment.... If Lions were coming here would be left like a sick gazelle
dashcan
If there's nothin in there, I don't think so.
ODSTsRule
It is liberating a family that lost its happines. I know one person that shares alot with OPs description of her "Son" and let me tell you 1
if my family/friends ever get into a state like this i promised i would kill them. It only lays around, doesnt react to anything and needs 2
a pain-pump to endure existing.... and i just now realized i didnt answer your question at all... I would call it relieve not murder. 3/3
badcitizen
Pediatrician here: both ethically and legally, family can decide to withdraw medical treatments (tube feeds) in situations like this 1/
prinzessinmustapha
maybe its different in other countries but I thought you have to decide whats best for the patient, irrespective of the relatives preference
TeddyBearHeaven
That’s true to a certain extent, but isn’t always cut and dry, unfortunately.
If the patient can’t speak for themself it’s up to the family to decide what is considered a quality of life worth maintaining artificially
TXjlp86
Best reply on here.
And focus on comfort care/end of life. Practically, it might be hard for a parent to feel it’s okay to admit this to someone able 2/
lifeneedsdangermusic
Great info, thank you
To help make this actually happen. She should ask for a palliative care/hospice consult. They would be able to help make that transition. 3/
Since this is old, I’m guessing this has already been suggested on the actual thread. Fin
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ActionPotentials
odd user name for a Pediatrician. Thanks for the info, though
DocAqua
In terminal settings, care can be withdrawn by family, or in some case by physicians if deemed to be "futile care", i.e. not recoverable.
zanzaboonda
Per the original thread, after she was hospitalized for depression, her MIL got medical proxy.
RespiratoryRandy
As an RT who has had to withdraw , thank you for educating. Despite our cultural awkwardness with death, there ARE worse things than death.
samskquantch
I definitely agree. Even more so after reading this.
BirdLawAmendments
IM doc here. My least favorite thing is families of LTAC patients who continue aggressive everything despite no meaningful existence
ChainmailleAddict
LTAC?
Long term acute care. Basically a nursing home for people that are usually trach/vent dependent and have pretty poor mental capacity
LeviathanOmega
Welcome to the euthanasia debate. It's morally and legally a mess and you can understand why dementia sufferers etc. have started going 1/
abroad to suicide clinics etc. - to preserve their dignity and die as themselves. In this case, it's a similar issue. Is he truly 'alive'?
TheMellowPeril
In the legal sense or in the ethical sense?
Jrhoney
Ethically it wouldn't appear to be an issue. Tragic all the way around, anyway you slice it. But this isn't ethics, this is triage.
nunyabidnesstwats
Ethically its mercy. If theres anything in there even deep on the inside stuck there it would be miserable and if there isn't it might as we
ll be a potted plant
IMayNotKnowWhatIAmTalkingAbout
Both really.
findtheotters
For both, legal and ethics, is murder and not murder depending on where you're standing
OHGODBEEEES
The legal definition is “malice aforethought” the real question is the legal definition of alive.
And the definitions of malice and human
yeah...
jery007
Yes
Sigma1204
You are killing a person without their consent. So while it is murder, it's for the sake of the person on permanent life support
This would not be murder. Withdrawing life sustaining support in a person with no quality of life is a decision made by families every day.
freshbetty
For someone unable to give consent, there is implied consent. There is no getting this child’s consent.
Frothyfeet
In the US some group will stand behind it and accuse them of murder
LongoloidFartExplosion
They should be made to look after it.
atw3152761
Well Turn him over to the group and let them take care of
Didnt know that but noted now
PrincessBride1
Hang on they actually criminally prosecute people for attempting suicide? That ain't right.
HouseOfEvil
Original thread, for those curious. From June if this year. >>
FlissFloss86Gaming
Whew, that picon guy sure did F up
https://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/c11din/im_putting_my_extremely_profoundly_disabled_7/
enkue
Thank you
Steenna
Wow, that was a wild ride.
garrulouseccentric
I’m in a very similar situation as you. I don’t blame you for putting him in a care facility, but you don’t have to call him degrading names
I'm sure it doesn't mind.
whocaresabouthiscommentanyway
Especially as it’s not his fault.
25schmeckles
I’d be pretty resentful of anyone who stole nearly a decade of my life
EvilKam
The universe forges situations, not based off of logic, no concern for emotion, but because a chain of events leads to an outcome, and the
Nature is full of endless possibilities, and not all of them are miraculous.
Tell me about it, the universe created me, and honestly, I'm not impressed. Could have done MUCH better.
universe feels no obligations to create situations we find amenable. I can not blame this person for their actions or feelings.
kikinport
The universe in Chaos is Harmony itself
That’s such a cop out. “Everything happens for a reason” is such bs and patronizing, like they deserve this or will be better for it.
I mean that in an absolute mechanical statistic sense, not in a "god had a plan" kind of sense. 2 gametes combined to create a fetal human
child and developed according to a myriad of entwined effects, stray photons from cosmic depths, random mismatch of bad DNA sequences, and
it's entirely likely that immeasurable quantum effects all combined to create this ultimate tragedy of creating an imperfect life form.
GoldFrieza
*shit happens*. That was a long way of saying shit happens.
You know, I have to admit you've a darn good point there.
codyowns10
She’s doing the right thing the kids nothing more then a brain dead lump in a chair with not sentience or awareness at all
Lmdsmad
Than
tuxedobob
Or so we think.
MsSchadenfraulein
I don’t get it why people dump this on others rather than finishing it. We know someone who had a kid in a coma for like 30+ years.
They put him in care for the rest f his life & didn’t visit much from my understanding. It seems awfully selfish to me.
Theoldredeyes
Even if my kid had some brain function I would toss him in the home.
angryupvoter
More important than that, she is doing what is right for her and her older son. We cannot judge her, because we are not her.
spyjane
I only wish she had been able to do this while her husband was still alive
purplespaghetty
Thank you. She’s put time and thought into her choice, and has chosen to do what she believes is best for what’s left of her family. Go her!
pingyofdoom
Yeah, it’s wrong to hate us cuz they ain’t us
VinerialBlumpkin11
You can judge anyone. Can you not judge a Nazi unless you are them? Can you not judge a murderer?
No, you can’t. What the nazis did was sanctioned by a world respected government.
What you can do is determine for yourself whether the action/inaction is justified in your mind, ♂️
Can’t judge a murderer because you don’t know the circumstances of the crime.
tofuinabox78
Its a double edge sword situation. Etber decision isnt an easy one to make. I dont think shes being straight up evil or feel its a chore 1/
To keep him alive. We dont know her situation. Just sounds like she had a lot on her chest and needed to let it all out.
That and also she will have to care for him until the day she dies, that’s a LOT to commit to for a vegetable who has never been human
I feel bad for people in those situations. Ether decision isnt an easy one to make. Her desicion isn't her being selfish ether.
DarkSock
Then he is a viable candidate for a position in the Trump Administration.
Fuck off.
Birchleaf
Why do folks like you have to take every tragic story and turn it into an attack on your political opponents?
mushballs
Because the world is still unjust
DuelingBrothers
Every story is an opportunity to bash your political opponent no matter what side. This is how it's done now
Opponent?!? I’ll have you know, Sir, that I am a recruiter for the Trump Administration. In Baltimore. And my job is a difficult one.
Oh, and also, try GETTING OVER YOURSELF.
I'll get downvotes for this but that the way you put that gave me a chuckle.
YouL0stTheGame
That kid deserves the privilege of death. If he can feel anything, he is most likely in pain.
boredomboredomboredom
Yeah i feel at certain instances like this euthanasia should be allowed cause that is a terrible existence for all involved
Vested
All I could think about was "Locked In Syndrome."
Kaysmira
If someone objects on religious grounds, why? He's never done wrong--"original sin" means if he could, he would, but he couldn't. Death>>
would free him; if there's an afterlife, he would finally be free and happy. Down's kids can enjoy life and be a blessing. This kid suffers.
EmberRingtail
Honestly i dont think he suffers, he does not seem capable of it. However i dont see the reason to keep him alive
Omae wa mou shindeiru
420B0ngRips4Jesus69
I agree and as a parent I hope to God I am never in a situation like this bc I'm not sure I'm strong enough to either give up on a child or
MrBEC
Now THAT is A Name
make an attempt to stay strong and care for that child at home which would ruin me as well. Lose-lose situation no matter what.
orcavsgreatwhite
Humanity has no problem 'humanely' ending an animals life's, but we force other humans to exist when it is clear that they shouldn't.
Kunitsu
Sadly this is a big reason I worry about abortion care. Alot of places passing heartbeat bills have no clause for issues like this, you are
just stuck with this pregnancy to either keep the child, or pass it onto foster care to be someone elses burden. Some like this child just
TheRealDeadBird
There is clearly room for improvement on that front...
The kid isn’t even alive by any definition
itsameeeee
Unless there is complex brain activity going on, its just human shaped lump of flesh
definitelynotawolf
Try telling them that in talabama
bourbonandbaddecisions
+1 for talabama
Or Florida in the case of Terri Schaivo if anyone is old enough to remember that clusterfuck.
mop82
I feel sorry for her and her family, but I'm thankful that the incident sparked a national discussion on the subject of vegetative states.
I remember family guy doing a song about her
Or maybe it was South Park
OmnesMundiLardum
Reminds me of Jonny Got His Gun.
I feel like this to some degree but Thank God It's not that ba- GOG DAM IT WHY DID YOUR USERNAME HAVE TO BE THAT
I Apologize
pareidoliaperson
FjoltnyrIII
Oh boy, now I'm laughing at another sad post, again
DubhIainn
Grrr! Let's do this properly then. I lost the game.
MrStealUrMeme
Ahh dam it! Why did you have to say that!?
Godsoftheodds
The game is just a mind virus designed to remind you that you're in a simulation. Wake up, buddy.
Well the Game is infact Life meaning ending It would be Death, and Killing Myself would have Me disqualify. So naw I'll just keep Dreaming
PetrogradPyromaniac
You deserve the privilege of death, asshole.
MichaelWilsonFattimiei
Why this?
Tikityler
Because of the username?
tomobach
Hey, captain cheerful. How about you shut up?
georgejimmydoodle
You sound like you do not know that death will come for all of us.
ChickenROAR
Put yourself in that kid's body. If you retained any self awareness or concept of pain, would you want to be alive? Are you alive?
wabitgirl
I'm not sure they're up to that level of thought experiment. But it is a good one and it really addresses the moral calculus of wilful death
Allanonshea1
This child already basically is dead. He knows nothing. He feels nothing. The only that happens if he dies is to release his family
He's basically dead only if you believe foids, you have no evidence of this other than the word of a woman, which is worth literally nothing
I’m pretty sure they aren’t trolling and are actually an incel, unfortunately.
DumbBr0ad
We have no evidence any of this is even real, ya knob. Assuming it is factual, people are giving their opinions on what should happen.
This person is catatonic, missing neural centers to rectify that, and barring MASSIVE medical progress, always will be. Now, your turn.
What makes them an asshole for thinking someone who CANNOT INTERACT WITH THE WORLD might be better off not here, since they aren't anyway?
drezrale
I lived with a potato like the one in the story. They harm everyone around them, I've watched people lose their jobs over these useless>
sacks of worthlessness because they felt as though they had to care for it when it's just a mount of resource consuming nothingness. When I>
Why? For suggesting someone with NO quality of life and NO hope for a better one should stop simply waiting to die?
What's more likely this foid throwing away a functional kids so she could fuck Chad and party or this kid actually being a vegetable?
Oh, so you're being a bitter fuck because of your own personal issues? Did you miss her having a second kid? NO quality of life? did you
Even read the story or did you just start it, form an opinion, and vomit vitriol into the public sphere because you're fucking miserable?
Found the incel.
and even if it IS fake, the narrative is compelling and powerful enough to evoke very strong emotion, and you just want to shit on it.
I've met someone that had to make this decision and I support them as well after seeing what they had to deal with.
OllieGman
Oh my gosh, a real life incel! I’ve only heard stories!
lionel1024
What the hell is wrong with you?
BloomAndGrowIris
In case you were wondering, women won't fuck you because even the vegetable kid has a better personality than you.
rhetoricIjustmether
I expected to feel outraged but after reading that I feel horrible for the mom and older brother.
Alexkorobeiniki
Same. Based on the title you expect one situation but then you learn the full story and it’s just… hoo boy
Rodenbeard
Assuming this is all true, euthanasia is more than a blessing for this kid and his family.
PatrickTrimble
Fuck. What a difficult situation to go through. I feel for this person
MaxReboBand
mkelter
Death sounds like it would be a blessing for her child. I'm well aware life matters but it doesn't like the child is alive. Im sad for both
TheDudeSkywalker
Maybe death is better than non-life? Whats the point of keeping him alive if hes literally doing nothing?
Dontworrybesalty
I agree, all the situation breeds is resentment and poverty. And I say that with no malice; I would expect anyone to do the same for me.
Cheesecakecrush
Guilt. Most of us are raised and firmly believe in protecting innocent life. Kid didn't do this to himself. Such a tough situation.
LiteralFish
Yeah but I would argue it's not a "kid" it's just the empty shell of one.
Cheesecakecrush
Easy to say from outside of the situation
RayZerKai
It's definitely a kid. I believe the issue is if he has 'life'.
YoSoyMilk
CheddarDreams
Honestly this is my biggest fear of becoming a parent, it would be better to have no children than one like this. Not to sound selfish but
CheddarDreams
This sounds like a literal hell of an existence
Goblor
As someone who worked in a care facility this is pretty common and I really really understand her
GoodCat51
Whoever originally posted this on reddit, if it is current, I hope you and you older boy have a good week.
NeynasGhost
Comment by @housevil says it's from June.
kJerAFK
My fiance has already said she would abort her pregnancy if there are severe disabilities, it made me sad but she's right.
tcgl
My cousin aborted a severely disabled fetus. They have 2 boys now they wouldn't have had otherwise. I think they made the right choice.
Wedsa95
Over here you get to choose if you want a kid with down syndrome. And yeah people don't bat an eye if you say that you aborted one.
Imwaytoobadwithchoosingusernames
She knew he would have down Syndrome, it just wasn't cleare it would be so bad...
bouncebounceandtheclaw
Life can still be extremely tough with Downs. I think it's glamorized and sugar coated and "fetishized" to be honest.
HighFunctioningSociopath221B
Over where?
Zeiserl
That's great but that isn't what he has. The mother chose to have a kid with down syndrome but it was a whole different disability
xMCioffi1986x
The various names she called him were extremely hard to read, but I can't imagine going through what she has gone through. She's just done.
weaselodoom
I het why the names though. Dehumanize him and not make any connections so she doesnt regret it. Honestly, if i were in her shoe i would
weaselodoom
End up doing the exact same thing.
HeirElfSquire
Another reason no kids..I'm pretty sure this would happen to me and I'd have to pull all the plugs.
ApparentlyImaPsychopath
Same
L0StWaNdErEr
I have a friend who has a step son in this situation. I feel for his family and I often wonder why they don’t do the same.
letstalknews
Looked downed on by society. They should have done this at birth but they cant.
Blrp0
ikagawa
Social stigma and personal guilt.
Thephedora
Mostly the social stigma. "You have to take care of x even if it destroys you."
wiilyc22
Personal guilt for sure. You can see in the post, she refers to him as different things to dehumanize him and make it an easier decision.
WeekendMashSomeTatoes
True true
Kligan
That lump of flesh is not a person though.
wiilyc22
It is a person, they are still attached to her. That’s why this is difficult. I agree though w/ her and you. Not much of a person at all.
kubi
If you're willing to listen to her story yes. Problem is some people will stop at/before "down's syndrome" to judge.
ragechild
I’m a mom of 4 kids, and it was really hard to read this... The price is to high for the rest of the family, sorry to say, I support her:-((
niferca
This is why abortion should be legal worldwide. That poor kid will never have a proper life
ItWasIWhoFarted
Mum and older son deserve a life. I'm ethically 100% on mums side. If younger son were a different species we'd euthanize him.
Camelspotting
That's not good ethical reasoning.
ItWasIWhoFarted
He's on oxygen, tube fed and shows no reaction to anything. Without machines,m he would've peacefully passed away a long time ago. Who are 1
ItWasIWhoFarted
you protecting by keeping him 'alive'? 2
Camelspotting
What does that have to do with treatment between species? Nothing. Use your own logic ffs.
ItWasIWhoFarted
Quite a lot I'd argue. He's not really alive but is kept that way for no other reason than being human. Despite that everything that makes 1
Frankiejoneston
It's a little weird to screencap people's post on /r/confessions and post them here for points, isn't it?
SatanWAP6669
Lets give op the benefit of the doubt. They were trying to strike deep/thoughtful conversation & it worked
EngineeringComedy
The day my vegitated state brother died was the saddest and happiest day of my life.
SatanWAP6669
Damn dude.
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SHININTURDZ
This is why human euthanasia should be allowed. If I had a fleshlump like that I wouldn't want it either
Akiru
It's not so black and white, but I understand what you mean. I too approve of assisted euthanasia.
SHININTURDZ
Yeah it's a tough subject. I'm very happy to have been able to help my kitty in this way, so I would want it too if I was suffering.
Imwaytoobadwithchoosingusernames
Are you serious? Who on earth could be possible able to draw the line on where this would be right and where not?
westwood8183
They have ethics committees for similar situations already.
SHININTURDZ
I dunno, I don't think it's ethical to let people or animals suffer in any way like this... euthanasia is about compassion for everyone
LooseSeall
Those who have a better understanding of the mind, body, science, and ethics than you would. Committees of doctors who understand the stakes
parasztarcal
If I ever ended up being one, I'd want it ended ASAP, that's my main concern.
SHININTURDZ
Me too! Holy crap me too
SheDevilinaSnuggie
This. Hubby & I have an agreement, a nasty tumble will happen, down a long flight of stairs, or off a cliff while sightseeing. Do not want
Vanwolfster
Give him to someone who is pro-life and see how quickly they'll change their perspective.
Djkb6718
I think we both know those soapboxers are pro babies and not pro life. If they were, they'd be on the border helping the living.
PonchoPuggo
It's shit to call him names, but I get where she's coming from. Situations like this are a big reason I am hesitant about having a baby.
LiteralFish
Why? I bet you anything her calling him names didn't hurt his feelings or have an effect on him at all.
Ataash
Lot of anger and resentment, she'll probably regret saying it eventually. Stress and loss can screw someone up in the head. For a time.
Nicki20
Yeah reading her calling him a potato and cucumber was hard to read but I wouldn't wish that situation on my worst enemy
DocWino
It May be part of her coping mechanism. It may help to separate her from her feelings for the boy and what she has to do.
3nd3rwiggin
Exactly what I was thinking. In a hostage situation you do everything you can to humanize yourself to the captors. She, the exact opposite.
DocWino
We are one.
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
It seems harsh, but I think the reason for calling him names is to impress upon us that he is alive only in the technical sense, he's not
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
really a human being or a child. True, it was hard to read, but in some cases death is really a blessing. This is beyond 'special needs'.
GadenKerensky
He only had the bare minimum of autonomous functions.
princesssmartypants
I really think she has had to dehumanize him in her mind, blame him for many things, to be able to give him away.
PonchoPuggo
That's a good point. Makes me sad.
ThatCanadianViking
Thats my exact thoughts. I feel for her
princesssmartypants
It is sad AF all around
wastedpoptart
Yea, it’s one thing to agree it’s for the best to give up a child but the way she blames and dehumanizes the child is a bit over the top.
oldlampsfornew
I felt a little uncomfortable when I read that as well. But I understand that her life has been ruined because of her son.
oldlampsfornew
Also, I don’t see why she wouldn’t tell her therapist about her feelings. Seems like something that needs to be addressed
GadenKerensky
She might be worried about the therapist trying to 'change her mind', regardless of how likely that really is.
AmandaGrace2770
It's possible she's worried that it would mess up her chances of getting back the right to make medical decisions for him. At some point 1/?
AmandaGrace2770
She was diagnosed with depression and at that point the state took away her right to make medical decisions for him and gave that power 2/?
AmandaGrace2770
Should she be entitled to make choices that affect the mother and older son so heavily? 5/5
AmandaGrace2770
Necessary so that's what's happening. Personally, I think the MIL shod take a flying leap. She doesn't care for the kid every day so why 4/?
whoopsywoo
This is why I'm pro abortion
OneLeggedDog
In this situation I agree. Aborting because you "don't want the baby" which is otherwise completely healthy, is where I have issue.
birdsintrees
Hi there, I’m curious about your point of view. So would you advise the woman/couple use preventative measures or just not have sex?
OneLeggedDog
Absolutely use preventative measures. It's cheap and there are plenty of actions an individual can take.
OneLeggedDog
But once you engage is vaginal sex, understand the possible consequences and be prepared to face them. Plan for the worst, hope for the best
birdsintrees
Thank you. I’ve been pro choice almost my entire life and I think the two sides have a lot more in common than some would think.
birdsintrees
I appreciate hearing your POV. It sounds like you want women and men to have access to preventative measures just as much as I do
Doshegotabooty
It really doesn’t matter if you have issue with it. Not your organs or DNA? Then you don’t get to decide what others do with theirs.
OneLeggedDog
Seeing as how individuals have opinions about various social and ethical issues, I'm voicing mine. And it matters to me.
Doshegotabooty
Are you the one willing to sacrifice your own life, risk dying, destroy your finances, all for someone else’s life? How would you feel if ->
Doshegotabooty
->you were forced to donate a kidney to someone you don’t even know so they’ll survive, all bc some random had an opinion that you should?
OneLeggedDog
As far as I'm concerned the issue is about defending those who are unable to defend themselves. That's why I hold this belief.
LiteralFish
As far as I'm concerned what makes human life worth a damn is not just unique DNA. It's consciousness. And the conscious one is the mom.
OneLeggedDog
I believe life begins at conception. I believe it is better to err on the side of caution. Potentiality is what is important 1/
whyohwhyohwhy1
so, I'm guessing that you probably think that it's ok to go ahead and abort this kid, even at , say 4 years old?
captainikag
Hell yeah brother
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Adopt the child or shut the fuck up.
spiffylookingnerfherder
Can't answer for the poster above, but at 4 years it would be euthanasia seems like it's absolutely the moral, ethical, and kind thing to do
GlowstickJedi
At that point it's euthanasia, and yes.
whyohwhyohwhy1
wow
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Feel free to take on the responsibility to care for the child, then.
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
Its not abortion at 4 years old... but yes.,
parasztarcal
The usual argument against abortion is life, but even pro-birthers would have a hard time arguing that this kid is alive by any measure.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
A hard time logically argueing for its they absolutely tey as seen in several comments.
LiteralFish
I doubt it. They seem to think a fetus is alive and it doesn't have a consciousness or autonomy either.
Thisismyworkacc0unt
In this case. Absolutely.
Ffgghjkll
You know how often those tests are wrong? Its a lot. Also I know some wonderful people with downs who have done more than you will.
Ffgghjkll
Why should anyone get to kill them? They're not worth less than you
nicolaisheen
I dont think she knew how many problems the child would have.
frozentoastbread
Well she did kinda know. She was told it would have downs.
GadenKerensky
She said she was excited. That she was prepared, because Downs kids can still have personality.
eugenialukin
Down's people are still very much people. Not everybody is up to raising one, but she seemed to be. Can't compare to what she's describing.
CheddarDreams
Question is something like this detectable before the child is born? If so it would probably be better to terminate and try again right?
eugenialukin
It is, but not in an ultrasound. The phenotype looks like Down's, the OP says, and the actual genetic screening wasn't covered for her.
Snotty128
I’m no expert, but my kids had a test very early in the pregnancy which would show a significant genetic abnormality. A choice was made here
Gianttesticlemonster
I have NF1. Any woman I conceive a child with and I may be faced with this exact decision. May case is about a 1/10. Some people can be 1/
Illthinkofausernamelater
What is NF1?
Gianttesticlemonster
A gene mutation that causes a laundry list of cosmetic and neurological side effects varying in severity from case to case. I have a glioma
Gianttesticlemonster
On my optic nerve, about 30 birth marks. A couple growths around my body. No fiagnosed developmental issues though, for which I'm thankful
Gianttesticlemonster
Very high on the autism spectrum, and have more severe cosmetic growths and marks, as well as nerve tumors. I've only ever had 1 that needed
Gianttesticlemonster
Surgery. I would never want to risk having a child with it. Science has gotten to the stage it can be detected during pregnancy
Slixxman69
Have you considered getting clipped yourself?
mikeatike
You are a good person, and there is always adoption.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
I'm not saying it to be mean, but you should seriously considering getting a vasectomy and adopting instead of potentially forcing that 1/?
ImHereToGetDownvotes
kind of decision on someone else / having a child with disabilities for what is "This is my genetic child" reasons. 2/2
RobbVesir
Nah, that's pro eugenics. There was no way to tell that this would be that kid's life
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Sadly, in this case it wouldn't have solved the problem since it was made clear she knew it would in the least have Downs and they 1/?
ImHereToGetDownvotes
welcomed it. If anything, this would fall into legalized assisted suicide, which also should be a thing we have. 2/2
Hybris51129
It's stories like this that make it harder to not believe in at least some level of eugenic screening. It's a slippery slope but (1
Hybris51129
it has to be more humane to everyone from the victim and their family to society in general especially in severe cases like this. (2/2
eugenialukin
It wouldn't help. For one, neither Down's nor what this kid has are inherited, they're random chromosomal abnormalities.
weputliquidpaperonabeeanditdied
you're pro abortion because of EXTREMELY rare circumstances like this one?
RunsWithScizrs
There are EXTREMELY common circumstances that happen that make people pro abortion too.
getridofTheSeaword
I’m not op but I am, cuz extremely rare doesn’t seem fucking rare when it happens to u or someone u know. Imagine being forced to live this?
weputliquidpaperonabeeanditdied
winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning doesn't seem rare when it happens to u
LiteralFish
What's your point? Do lightning strike victims not matter to you because they're rare? Think we should disregard them because they're rare?
DeepBlueNothing
Is it murder to pull the plug? Like if a person only lives on tubes and machines can't they be taken off the machines?
VulcanP90
pulling the plug in this case would be salvation. send this kid home.
MakeAnotherVTMGame
People put pets down for less. Chemically-assisted suicide should be 100% legal.
Dave217
Pull the tubes and he lives. But in a caveman world he would never survive. Fact that he's destroying lives by being allowed to survive.
Dave217
Should be enough to reason the abandonment.... If Lions were coming here would be left like a sick gazelle
dashcan
If there's nothin in there, I don't think so.
ODSTsRule
It is liberating a family that lost its happines. I know one person that shares alot with OPs description of her "Son" and let me tell you 1
ODSTsRule
if my family/friends ever get into a state like this i promised i would kill them. It only lays around, doesnt react to anything and needs 2
ODSTsRule
a pain-pump to endure existing.... and i just now realized i didnt answer your question at all... I would call it relieve not murder. 3/3
badcitizen
Pediatrician here: both ethically and legally, family can decide to withdraw medical treatments (tube feeds) in situations like this 1/
prinzessinmustapha
maybe its different in other countries but I thought you have to decide whats best for the patient, irrespective of the relatives preference
TeddyBearHeaven
That’s true to a certain extent, but isn’t always cut and dry, unfortunately.
badcitizen
If the patient can’t speak for themself it’s up to the family to decide what is considered a quality of life worth maintaining artificially
TXjlp86
Best reply on here.
badcitizen
And focus on comfort care/end of life. Practically, it might be hard for a parent to feel it’s okay to admit this to someone able 2/
lifeneedsdangermusic
Great info, thank you
badcitizen
To help make this actually happen. She should ask for a palliative care/hospice consult. They would be able to help make that transition. 3/
badcitizen
Since this is old, I’m guessing this has already been suggested on the actual thread. Fin
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ActionPotentials
odd user name for a Pediatrician. Thanks for the info, though
DocAqua
In terminal settings, care can be withdrawn by family, or in some case by physicians if deemed to be "futile care", i.e. not recoverable.
zanzaboonda
Per the original thread, after she was hospitalized for depression, her MIL got medical proxy.
RespiratoryRandy
As an RT who has had to withdraw , thank you for educating. Despite our cultural awkwardness with death, there ARE worse things than death.
samskquantch
I definitely agree. Even more so after reading this.
BirdLawAmendments
IM doc here. My least favorite thing is families of LTAC patients who continue aggressive everything despite no meaningful existence
ChainmailleAddict
LTAC?
BirdLawAmendments
Long term acute care. Basically a nursing home for people that are usually trach/vent dependent and have pretty poor mental capacity
LeviathanOmega
Welcome to the euthanasia debate. It's morally and legally a mess and you can understand why dementia sufferers etc. have started going 1/
LeviathanOmega
abroad to suicide clinics etc. - to preserve their dignity and die as themselves. In this case, it's a similar issue. Is he truly 'alive'?
TheMellowPeril
In the legal sense or in the ethical sense?
Jrhoney
Ethically it wouldn't appear to be an issue. Tragic all the way around, anyway you slice it. But this isn't ethics, this is triage.
nunyabidnesstwats
Ethically its mercy. If theres anything in there even deep on the inside stuck there it would be miserable and if there isn't it might as we
nunyabidnesstwats
ll be a potted plant
IMayNotKnowWhatIAmTalkingAbout
Both really.
findtheotters
For both, legal and ethics, is murder and not murder depending on where you're standing
OHGODBEEEES
The legal definition is “malice aforethought” the real question is the legal definition of alive.
findtheotters
And the definitions of malice and human
letstalknews
yeah...
jery007
Yes
Sigma1204
You are killing a person without their consent. So while it is murder, it's for the sake of the person on permanent life support
TeddyBearHeaven
This would not be murder. Withdrawing life sustaining support in a person with no quality of life is a decision made by families every day.
freshbetty
For someone unable to give consent, there is implied consent. There is no getting this child’s consent.
Frothyfeet
In the US some group will stand behind it and accuse them of murder
LongoloidFartExplosion
They should be made to look after it.
atw3152761
Well Turn him over to the group and let them take care of
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Frothyfeet
Didnt know that but noted now
PrincessBride1
Hang on they actually criminally prosecute people for attempting suicide? That ain't right.
HouseOfEvil
Original thread, for those curious. From June if this year. >>
FlissFloss86Gaming
Whew, that picon guy sure did F up
HouseOfEvil
https://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/c11din/im_putting_my_extremely_profoundly_disabled_7/
enkue
Thank you
Steenna
Wow, that was a wild ride.
garrulouseccentric
I’m in a very similar situation as you. I don’t blame you for putting him in a care facility, but you don’t have to call him degrading names
LiteralFish
I'm sure it doesn't mind.
whocaresabouthiscommentanyway
Especially as it’s not his fault.
25schmeckles
I’d be pretty resentful of anyone who stole nearly a decade of my life
EvilKam
The universe forges situations, not based off of logic, no concern for emotion, but because a chain of events leads to an outcome, and the
GadenKerensky
Nature is full of endless possibilities, and not all of them are miraculous.
EvilKam
Tell me about it, the universe created me, and honestly, I'm not impressed. Could have done MUCH better.
EvilKam
universe feels no obligations to create situations we find amenable. I can not blame this person for their actions or feelings.
kikinport
The universe in Chaos is Harmony itself
getridofTheSeaword
That’s such a cop out. “Everything happens for a reason” is such bs and patronizing, like they deserve this or will be better for it.
EvilKam
I mean that in an absolute mechanical statistic sense, not in a "god had a plan" kind of sense. 2 gametes combined to create a fetal human
EvilKam
child and developed according to a myriad of entwined effects, stray photons from cosmic depths, random mismatch of bad DNA sequences, and
EvilKam
it's entirely likely that immeasurable quantum effects all combined to create this ultimate tragedy of creating an imperfect life form.
GoldFrieza
*shit happens*. That was a long way of saying shit happens.
EvilKam
You know, I have to admit you've a darn good point there.
codyowns10
She’s doing the right thing the kids nothing more then a brain dead lump in a chair with not sentience or awareness at all
Lmdsmad
Than
tuxedobob
Or so we think.
MsSchadenfraulein
I don’t get it why people dump this on others rather than finishing it. We know someone who had a kid in a coma for like 30+ years.
MsSchadenfraulein
They put him in care for the rest f his life & didn’t visit much from my understanding. It seems awfully selfish to me.
Theoldredeyes
Even if my kid had some brain function I would toss him in the home.
angryupvoter
More important than that, she is doing what is right for her and her older son. We cannot judge her, because we are not her.
spyjane
I only wish she had been able to do this while her husband was still alive
purplespaghetty
Thank you. She’s put time and thought into her choice, and has chosen to do what she believes is best for what’s left of her family. Go her!
pingyofdoom
Yeah, it’s wrong to hate us cuz they ain’t us
VinerialBlumpkin11
You can judge anyone. Can you not judge a Nazi unless you are them? Can you not judge a murderer?
angryupvoter
No, you can’t. What the nazis did was sanctioned by a world respected government.
angryupvoter
What you can do is determine for yourself whether the action/inaction is justified in your mind, ♂️
angryupvoter
Can’t judge a murderer because you don’t know the circumstances of the crime.
tofuinabox78
Its a double edge sword situation. Etber decision isnt an easy one to make. I dont think shes being straight up evil or feel its a chore 1/
tofuinabox78
To keep him alive. We dont know her situation. Just sounds like she had a lot on her chest and needed to let it all out.
spyjane
That and also she will have to care for him until the day she dies, that’s a LOT to commit to for a vegetable who has never been human
tofuinabox78
I feel bad for people in those situations. Ether decision isnt an easy one to make. Her desicion isn't her being selfish ether.
DarkSock
Then he is a viable candidate for a position in the Trump Administration.
OneLeggedDog
Fuck off.
Birchleaf
Why do folks like you have to take every tragic story and turn it into an attack on your political opponents?
mushballs
Because the world is still unjust
DuelingBrothers
Every story is an opportunity to bash your political opponent no matter what side. This is how it's done now
DarkSock
Opponent?!? I’ll have you know, Sir, that I am a recruiter for the Trump Administration. In Baltimore. And my job is a difficult one.
DarkSock
Oh, and also, try GETTING OVER YOURSELF.
DuelingBrothers
I'll get downvotes for this but that the way you put that gave me a chuckle.
DarkSock
YouL0stTheGame
That kid deserves the privilege of death. If he can feel anything, he is most likely in pain.
boredomboredomboredom
Yeah i feel at certain instances like this euthanasia should be allowed cause that is a terrible existence for all involved
Vested
All I could think about was "Locked In Syndrome."
Kaysmira
If someone objects on religious grounds, why? He's never done wrong--"original sin" means if he could, he would, but he couldn't. Death>>
Kaysmira
would free him; if there's an afterlife, he would finally be free and happy. Down's kids can enjoy life and be a blessing. This kid suffers.
EmberRingtail
Honestly i dont think he suffers, he does not seem capable of it. However i dont see the reason to keep him alive
findtheotters
Omae wa mou shindeiru
420B0ngRips4Jesus69
I agree and as a parent I hope to God I am never in a situation like this bc I'm not sure I'm strong enough to either give up on a child or
MrBEC
Now THAT is A Name
420B0ngRips4Jesus69
make an attempt to stay strong and care for that child at home which would ruin me as well. Lose-lose situation no matter what.
orcavsgreatwhite
Humanity has no problem 'humanely' ending an animals life's, but we force other humans to exist when it is clear that they shouldn't.
Kunitsu
Sadly this is a big reason I worry about abortion care. Alot of places passing heartbeat bills have no clause for issues like this, you are
Kunitsu
just stuck with this pregnancy to either keep the child, or pass it onto foster care to be someone elses burden. Some like this child just
TheRealDeadBird
There is clearly room for improvement on that front...
OHGODBEEEES
The kid isn’t even alive by any definition
itsameeeee
Unless there is complex brain activity going on, its just human shaped lump of flesh
definitelynotawolf
Try telling them that in talabama
bourbonandbaddecisions
+1 for talabama
OHGODBEEEES
Or Florida in the case of Terri Schaivo if anyone is old enough to remember that clusterfuck.
mop82
I feel sorry for her and her family, but I'm thankful that the incident sparked a national discussion on the subject of vegetative states.
definitelynotawolf
I remember family guy doing a song about her
definitelynotawolf
Or maybe it was South Park
OmnesMundiLardum
Reminds me of Jonny Got His Gun.
MrBEC
I feel like this to some degree but Thank God It's not that ba- GOG DAM IT WHY DID YOUR USERNAME HAVE TO BE THAT
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MrBEC
I Apologize
pareidoliaperson
FjoltnyrIII
Oh boy, now I'm laughing at another sad post, again
DubhIainn
Grrr! Let's do this properly then. I lost the game.
MrStealUrMeme
Ahh dam it! Why did you have to say that!?
Godsoftheodds
The game is just a mind virus designed to remind you that you're in a simulation. Wake up, buddy.
MrBEC
Well the Game is infact Life meaning ending It would be Death, and Killing Myself would have Me disqualify. So naw I'll just keep Dreaming
PetrogradPyromaniac
You deserve the privilege of death, asshole.
MichaelWilsonFattimiei
Why this?
Tikityler
Because of the username?
tomobach
Hey, captain cheerful. How about you shut up?
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georgejimmydoodle
You sound like you do not know that death will come for all of us.
ChickenROAR
Put yourself in that kid's body. If you retained any self awareness or concept of pain, would you want to be alive? Are you alive?
wabitgirl
I'm not sure they're up to that level of thought experiment. But it is a good one and it really addresses the moral calculus of wilful death
Allanonshea1
This child already basically is dead. He knows nothing. He feels nothing. The only that happens if he dies is to release his family
PetrogradPyromaniac
He's basically dead only if you believe foids, you have no evidence of this other than the word of a woman, which is worth literally nothing
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YouL0stTheGame
I’m pretty sure they aren’t trolling and are actually an incel, unfortunately.
DumbBr0ad
We have no evidence any of this is even real, ya knob. Assuming it is factual, people are giving their opinions on what should happen.
wabitgirl
This person is catatonic, missing neural centers to rectify that, and barring MASSIVE medical progress, always will be. Now, your turn.
wabitgirl
What makes them an asshole for thinking someone who CANNOT INTERACT WITH THE WORLD might be better off not here, since they aren't anyway?
drezrale
I lived with a potato like the one in the story. They harm everyone around them, I've watched people lose their jobs over these useless>
drezrale
sacks of worthlessness because they felt as though they had to care for it when it's just a mount of resource consuming nothingness. When I>
wabitgirl
Why? For suggesting someone with NO quality of life and NO hope for a better one should stop simply waiting to die?
PetrogradPyromaniac
What's more likely this foid throwing away a functional kids so she could fuck Chad and party or this kid actually being a vegetable?
wabitgirl
Oh, so you're being a bitter fuck because of your own personal issues? Did you miss her having a second kid? NO quality of life? did you
wabitgirl
Even read the story or did you just start it, form an opinion, and vomit vitriol into the public sphere because you're fucking miserable?
georgejimmydoodle
Found the incel.
wabitgirl
and even if it IS fake, the narrative is compelling and powerful enough to evoke very strong emotion, and you just want to shit on it.
PetrogradPyromaniac
Yes
DuelingBrothers
I've met someone that had to make this decision and I support them as well after seeing what they had to deal with.
OllieGman
Oh my gosh, a real life incel! I’ve only heard stories!
lionel1024
What the hell is wrong with you?
BloomAndGrowIris
In case you were wondering, women won't fuck you because even the vegetable kid has a better personality than you.