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Spoooooooot
This is perfect.
samesamebutdifferent
Not too long. DID read. Always. <3
dearsmashley
Always. :)
DomitiSardin
At my university, we have a class where you read the books and connect them to the different topics like the post talked about Awesome class
arcenciel
For all the people saying where's the date rape coming from? - Voldemort was conceived with one of his parents under the love potion.
MonsieurChortles
+1 for striking out 'fear' and going with 'hysterical terror'.
IamThatPersonFromMathProblemsWhoBuysTooManyApples
"it's three a.m. and I'm having feelings about Harry Potter"
greenkiwis
Considering we, the 20-25 year olds, came of age with Harry Potter and grew up with him at the same time each new book came out, it 1/2
greenkiwis
really DID teach us all of those things, whether JKR intended to or not. None of those things are a reach, they really did 2/2
greenkiwis
teach us about the reality of our human experience here on earth, but in a manner distant enough that we could comprehend it without 3/2
greenkiwis
being a living part of it. 4/2, greatly misjudged how long that would take
bonn
Harry Potter taught me that I should stay away from school in the Summer Term
LawlessWalrus
As someone currently at school for the summer...shit.
icangetyouatoebythreeoclockthisafternoonwithnailpolish
stay away from school.*
JustNorway
After reading the 5th book, i get this!
landcfan
I read all of them, and I have no idea what the reference is. I need to reread them...
ashlisa424
I'm confused on 6. I need to reread as well.
missincalifornia
How about we call it an everybody book? BECAUSE EVERYBODY FUCKING LOVES IT!
lunaticskitten
tl; read anyway. Nicely done.
Iamnotverygoodatpickingoutusernames
I'm on the 5th book (for the first time) now so I'm favoriting this to come back and read it when I'm done.
RedundancyDepartmentOfRedundancy
Seventh book: How an underdog can rise above and stand for his beliefs while staring right in the face of evil.
ITwink70
Neville really turned into a badass during this book/morive
ITwink70
movie*
Empire385
It is a child's book. It may contain adult issues, but it's written for and meant for children. OP's view is an adults view of the book btw
ThisIsFrigglish
Yeah, if your condition is "sometimes I flip out and become a murderous flesh-eater", it might be fair to worry about you a little.
EmeraldWind
"ONCE A MONTH I flip out and become a murderous flesh-eater". Not randomly. Granted as I guy, I still worry about women for the same reasons
ippikiwoof
Sounds hot when you say it like that.
HoleInPants
Spending the time to re-read the whole Harry Potter series: WORTH IT!
Iamnotverygoodatpickingoutusernames
or spending the time to read it as an adult because you never thought you'd like it only to find out it's like the best thing ever: WORTH IT
Kayleefrye
When HP came out I was part of an abusive church and didn't read them. (WITCHCRAFT!) Now I can't wait to read them with my daughter (1/2)
DavidBowiesCodpiece
Good choice on not reading it now. While the writing for the last books is solid, the writing of the first few might sour the experience.
1AMTHEBATMAN
I am 21 and have just re-read through the series for the 3rd time. The writing of the first few doesn't take away from the experience for me
1AMTHEBATMAN
probably just because i know to look for the small details that pop up later though haha
Kayleefrye
And get to experience the wonder of them through her eyes. (2/2)
dearsmashley
I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get to grow up with HP but it is so awesome that you will get to watch your daughter do so.
PeanutBuddha
'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.' - Sigmund Freud
Flyndaran
That he would like to insert in his mother. He was an odd one.
evilolive1980
...and sometimes it's a big brown dick. -George Carlin-
droppedchild
These books got me through my brother's death, they helped me through the darkest part of my life
insertcreativenamehere
I'm very sorry to hear about your brother. "These are dark times, there is no denying."
SirNoTouchingTheDogPlease
Confused by synopsis of 6th book. Drugs? Date rape? Pregnancy? Chauvinism? don't know what you're talking about. Not remembering that book.
Housemaster
Anything that's mentioned in the smallest way is suddenly brought into spotlight and paraded as educational inspiration by Harry Potter fans
SirNoTouchingTheDogPlease
Ohhh it's all coming back to me. Thanks guys :)
jaefeathered
They're talking about Love Potions, as well as Voldemort's mother's pregnancy.
LemonicDemonade
Drugs: Love potion. Date rape, sex while the guy is slipped the love potion. Pregnancy, tom riddle 2.
catmaster
a minor quibble, i know, but technically it's actually just plain rape, as riddle's father never even consented to the date.
LemonicDemonade
You're right. Sorry.
LumosMaxima
I'm pretty sure they were in Tom Riddle's memories that Dumbledore showed Harry...
moethepainter
date rape and pregnancy-- Merope Guant drugging Tom Riddle Sr and having baby Voldemort
TaraBragg
Voldemort's mother used a love potion on muggle Tom Riddle so he would be with her, it resulted in the pregnancy of Voldemort.
arcenciel
Tom Riddle was conceived while his mum was under a love potion and thus doesn't have the capacity to love.
DoctorsDaughter
Merope-Voldemort's mother- used a love potion on Tom Riddle ad conceived Voldie.
thisismyusernameguys
+1 for "Voldie"
MOTHERFUCKINGBOBROSS
So you're saying her name is not Voldemom?
DoctorsDaughter
I'm calling her that from now on.
catmaster
that happened, sure, but saying a major theme came solely from a 10 page excerpt of a 652 page book is a bit of a stretch...
DoctorsDaughter
There was the instance of the girl slipping love potion tainted sweets to Harry.
bigman0089
it IS a major theme... voldemort cannot love because he was conceived via love potion, which is basically why he is evil.
catmaster
hmm, not sure i believe that extrapolation. rowling never suggested at such a "determinancy" variety of the HP universe. i would say she (1)
catmaster
implied that free will and choice were always important for characters, not that people had fixed ends depending upon their beginning. (2)
trustmeimascientist
Both of you are right. Voldemort chose to be evil, but his hatred stemmed from deep abandonment issues because of his mother's actions
KnightoftheN64
This series is definitely not a kids series, and I enjoy it greatly, but I still don't think it holds a candle to ASOIAF or LOTR.
ISuperBelieveInYouTadCooper
I think that depends (though I agree overall). I started HP at 11; appropriate to grow with. LOTR = high school. ASOIAF = college.
yellink
asoiaf?
KnightoftheN64
A Song of Ice and Fire, the book series to the T.V. show Game of Thrones.
yellink
Oh okay. Thanks :) (I'm only 14, so sadly I can't watch it yet.)
TitzMcG33
I think it progresses in a way that if you start the first books at a younger age they're appropriate. You can kind of grow with Harry.
dearsmashley
Exactly.
KnightoftheN64
yes I totally agree, and I think that's why my generation (20 somethings) are so in love with the series. They grew up with the kid
fugacity
I think Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix did a great job examining the dangers of a security apparatus state after 9/11.
IAmLookingForSomeoneToShareInAnAdventure
You know how you always complained that your english teacher read far too much symbolism into books? This is what you do with harry potter.
Awhaleandabowlofpetunias
I've never complained that my english teacher reads "too much symbolism." I only complain when they read obviously wrong symbolism.
Molotopheles
The author wrote the book, but the reader gives it meaning.
arcenciel
It's hardly reading too much into it. It's merely being observant. Also * Harry Potter. It's a proper noun.
IAmLookingForSomeoneToShareInAnAdventure
Rest assure my commitment to grammar, spelling and all its associated ideologies are as zealous and as unshakable as yours.
sparkymcboomboom
But these are actual themes, not symbolism. Reading too much into symbolism would be like saying...the invisibility cloak (1/2)
catmaster
some of them were themes, some of them were just events. there was never a "theme" of PTSD or date rape like OP curiously suggested.
sparkymcboomboom
actually represented Harry's desire to hide his true self from the world. Which is B.S. I just made up. (2/2)
craigaleg
That scene with Hermoine brings the feels.
tammerraouf
which is it?
greenkiwis
when they're in the Malfoy's house and Bellatrix is torturing her while Ron and Harry are locked downstairs
tammerraouf
thanks!
andJillcametumblingafter
The Ron in my mind was absolutely hysterical with rage and terror during this chapter. I had all the feels for mind-Ron.
skrump
Read every word. I can't have all these feels this early in the morning!
betamale
Evidently, you can!
skrump
Let me live in contradiction to myself. It's all I know.
underyourbreath
I didn't like the 5th book b/c Harry overreacts to everything. Then this relates it to PTSD & just changes how I look on the whole book!
otherbill
Rowling never said that the Harry Potter series were kids' books. She even said midway through that the later books would be pretty dark.
mwcampbell92
I always saw it as a case of the maturity of the novels growing with the characters. As Harry and his friends grew up, so did the books.
catmaster
she called them "children's fiction..." http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/pageviews/2012/10/jk-rowling-returns-to-children%E2%80%99s-books
flight815down
Hence killing everyone you love.
totalnerduk
I think that we can all learn lessons as adults from wholesale slaughter. Even if it's only that magic makes murder much easier.
CallMeInV
Interesting read, but where in HP does it deal with homophobia?
Awhaleandabowlofpetunias
My question exactly.
ughfine
you could compare Lupin's story to that of a closeted homosexual. hiding away something that he cannot help and that many see as wrong.
emolta
Never really considered it like that. that's clever.
findingausernamethatisnttakenisreallyhard
If you consider Harry as "coming out" a wizard, the Dursleys are pretty magic-phobic. Parallels...
CallMeInV
It would be closer to racism, it wasn't something he always knew, he was told he was a wizard. No one is told they are gay.
LiTMac
*You're* my bad (see other comment)
LiTMac
To play Devil's Advocate, figuring out your gay can be difficult, and sometimes the gay person isn't the first one to figure it out.
LiTMac
*You're* my bad
dragontearsturnintojellybeans
It concerns the image of Dumbledore after his death and the not so subliminal messages that Dumbledore loved Harry in a "abnormal" way.
dragontearsturnintojellybeans
I'm not trying to imply he was a pedophile here... just that a lot of people asked why Dumbledore was so involved in Harry's life.
catmaster
eh, i think it was completely subliminal if not completely unhinted, being as no one got it (at least that i know) until JK Rowling told it.
dragontearsturnintojellybeans
Which is total bollocks because Dumbledore was a badass. Also the affair between him and Grindelwald which ended really badly...
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
There's a case for Dumbledore being gay, there's no case for Dumbledore having an attraction to Harry.
EmeraldWind
Except Dumbledore was merely gay, not a pedophile.
GingerTheBeard
hating dumbledore who was gay, for being strange and different.
MySpecialBrand
I don't even recall the information of Dumbledore being gay hitting the news until after the last one game out.
BunnyFromMars
Nobody hated Dumbledore. He was the guiding figure in the series. His eccentricity was part of his personality rather than his homosexuality
GingerTheBeard
alot of people hated dumbledore.
Origamigryphon
For being the only sane person in a group of people trying to hide the fact that Voldemort was back, not for being gay.
Origamigryphon
Call me kooky, but did we not find out he was gay until AFTER the series was over? Or did I just miss some very obvious signals?
weareallhomos
You're not kooky.. Dumbledore's feelings for Grindelwald were NOT obvious
Origamigryphon
Good, I'm glad I wasn't missing something :D
KnightoftheN64
I personally was surprised that dumbledore was gay. I won't say the signals weren't there, but calling them obvious would be a huge stretch.
Origamigryphon
Good, I was worried about that. I know sometimes I can be naive about things I read, and miss obvious foreshadowing.
MySpecialBrand
I didn't see it either. I feel like it was kind of unnecessary for her to say that he was.
RickAnkiel
I don't think the signals were there.
KnightoftheN64
truth be told, me neither, I just didn't want to say it :)
SlothNipples
A book that changed me as a person: Java Programming for Beginners
suddentwitch
is that that red book from hell?
beelzebro
As a programmer, lol'd
PotatoHamer
Oh god, for me it was A Beginners guide to Changing as a Person
Balthor
Great read.
luminiferousbeanbutts
i wish i had more than just one upvote to give you
bikoz
take mine upvote and throw it at him..
TheElderBowls
The Feynman Lectures on Physics by Richard Fernman changed me as a person.
TheElderBowls
Feynman* stupid r sneaked in there somehow.
flyingpumpkin
I literally just bought a book about beginner level Java yesterday, for uni. Am I going to change?
SlothNipples
depends on what your "end goal" in programming is, if you're only gonna learn java for nothing then it might not change you! :P
hette
I bought one and was not changed. But then I may not have been a person.
Voltair
A book that will change you as a living being: "A Beginners Guide to ASSEMBLY."
Waswat
A book that will change your whole universe: "Discrete and Combinatorial Mathematics: An applied introduction"
RazvanR
I quit it after page 624. The plot was getting a bit sail.
plasavall
Not many people will know, but this is, from far, the best comment I read since I joined imgur.
gphreeeeeeex77
Your username is a reference to the Voltair in the Foundation Saga(extended)? And enjoy your registers.
DaftMachine
Could also just be a bastadization(as Voltaire was taken) of said french political philosopher.
Voltair
DaftMachine is right. Sorry. Been meaning to read the rest of The Foundation Novels for a while.
DickWarlock89
Fuck James and Lily were only 21 when they had Harry?
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BenedoodleCumberpoodle
HAHAHAHA Fetus Deletus. XD
nieszka
20 actually, what with Harry being 1 when that happened.
truetenorone
Their gravestones in Godric's Hollow both read "1960-1981"
taradactyl
Ahh, I was wondering where people were getting this information. I can't believe I forgot about that.
Hannya
My friend is a father at age 18 (Accident). My grandparents were only 18 when they had their first child (Intended). It's not uncommon.
Amberdextrous
My thought was that Snape is played as much older in the movies, but is only 32 when introduced.
ReLDeL
They finish their schooling at 17 where many people who settle down after college finish at 22 nowadays. Kinda like theyre 25 in their lives
Pappadiddy91
As a newly engaged college kid of 21..... shit.
ThatCelticGirl
see my comment above. :D Im right up there with you.
cattaclysmic
As a single college "kid" of 21... Shit.
Pappadiddy91
its been a wild year, trust me
navynursedude
As a single college graduate at 23, who has been getting more and more wedding invites... shiiiiit...
Pappadiddy91
My fiancee is 25, and he just graduated last year. Clam your tits, it'll be grand ;)
navynursedude
Ok... not sure that this will help...
Pappadiddy91
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/calm-your-tits-no.jpg
celtes
That's not so strange. My mum was 21 and 2 days when she had me. (Although L&J were 20.)
acunninglinguist
Yeah, which is why it bothered me so much that they were like 35 in the films.
GorganPizzaStash
my parents were only 20 when they had my sister, and 35 when they had me.
handfullofberries
21 is a perfectly acceptable time to have a child.
Twiliclipse
I am thinking this is in need of some punctuation. *Fuck, James and Lily were only 21 when they had Harry?*
buuumps
even with just one generation, society's expectations and what was considered "normal" has changed. nowadays people "settle down" at like 30
ellaellaellaeheheh
I dunno, I know lots of people that are getting married and engaged before they can legally drink.
sk8tergater
I think it depends on where you live. In my part of MT, I was considered "old" to be getting married at 26.
LordXeras
My father was born when my grandparents were 22 and 23.
TrollRehab
I'm with you, I'm almost 24 and single. Lots of people are settling down and it scares me that I might miss my chance. But what can you do?
AbsentaneousMind
There's no "missing your chance"... I'm single again at 36. It happens. I have friends who met in their 40s and are together 10 years later.
iwaspromisedsnacks
my parents didn't get married or have kids til mum was 37 and dad was 45, they just celebrated their 28th anniversary! its not too late!
theInternetKing
This exactly. So many engagement/wedding pictures on my facebook these days. Freaks me out.
AbsentaneousMind
2/2 it's just fear, mostly driven by societal "norms" that everything on tv/film is full of youngsters, and we're "past it" at 30+...
capsulet
It was war time, people rush into things.
tomhiddlestonsthirdtesticlewhyyesyoucantouchmeallyouwant
They were 3 years out of school when they got pregnant... That's not unusual in any real society, either.
loveofdogs
War sharpens your perception of what matters, and why you shouldn't postpone for the sake of hoping you'll feel more ready tomorrow.
ThatCelticGirl
crap, me and my husband are both 21 and about to have a daughter.
MrsJamesHalpert
SHE IS THE CHOSEN ONE.
AzerilPridham
my parents were 19 (mam) and 21(dad) when they had me and 21 and 23 when my brother was born
AzerilPridham
and you guys made me feel accidental :'(
violetlotuss
Which means Petunia was ~24 when she took Harry in O_o
Kamikazi2142
guess you didn't know about the girls who are trying to be the next star of "16 and pregnant"
TheStickyWicket
Why is that weird? I'm 19, married and pregnant. And I had my first kiss on my wedding day, so it's definitely not cuz I'm "slutty"...
DickWarlock89
Erm I was in no way alluding to the sluttiness of you or of Lily for that matter
FinnAhern
That's the main thing I took away from that too.
skratta
I would need a confirmation of this...
ghost1807
20 or 21, according to the dates on their tombstones in the 7th book
skratta
OOooh yeah, forgot about that!
labrat
I think we could originally date the books based on how long nearly headless nick said he had been dead in book 2.
labrat
I don't think JKR originally had a specific year in mind, it just happened that she made up enough specifics that there could be a date.
labrat
Man, why the down votes? I was just expressing a completely benign and informed opinion. I'm a huge HP fan.
CyanideSweetToothSuicide
The birth and death dates are listed in the 7th book when Harry visits their graves in Godrics Hollow. 1/2
labrat
We knew the dates before that, though, I think she just decided to specifically include them by the time she got to 7.
CyanideSweetToothSuicide
"James Potter, born 27 March 1960, died 31 October 1981 Lily Potter, born 30 January 1960, died 31 October 1981"
labrat
I know the dates. But we knew them even before book 7. I just don't think JKR had the dates in mind when she first started writing.
DeadlyRicochet
I MUST FOLLOW MY IDOLS AND HAVE BABIES AT AGE 21!!!! Only thing stopping me is student loans :(
arghnard
Lily's a slut...bonnngggg
kkuja
Isn't teen pregnancy an english thing? ;)
grubbiz
Fuck James AND Lily?
AtHomeWithTrolls
LAUGHING SO HARD AT EVERYTHING HERE
Twec21
Ah, the importance of commas...
owlparliament95
Let's eat Grandma!
PedanticYetEarnest
"Dats messed up man James and Lily already dead n the last thing they need is to be put in a comma screw you man"
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jaskey
That's how Harry came to be.
tomhiddlestonsthirdtesticlewhyyesyoucantouchmeallyouwant
(See username) Can I get in on this?
ImASexyUnicorn
I lol'd, +1 for you!
Acephalous
Voldemort wasn't invited, hence the hatred.
CatsIsTheAnswer
Invited or not, he came anyway.
Acephalous
I took this as a pun.
WorldWarApathy
Neither was Snape...
ImASexyUnicorn
This made me sad in a really uncomfortable way.
TehAccountant
he was the pony
zanstar
Wasnt there some sort of magic abortion spell back then?
labrat
Why would they want one?
OhChocolate
fetus deletus
zanstar
Your a genius
dathalfrican
You're*, Mr. President.
FLERPERDERP
I laughed.
ARainbowInTheDark
You're a genius!
BoromirOfTheWhiteTower
Why is he a genius, this 'fetus deletus' thing was posted yesterday :p
OhChocolate
p.s. Imma gurrl
OhChocolate
Contrary to popular belief, some of us don't get on imgur every day. I know its hard to believe. ;)
LiTMac
That's how old my parents were when they had my older brother.
Tenraix
Harry was already a year old when they died, so they had him when they were 20.
BenedoodleCumberpoodle
That's what I said!
TheSwedishCryptid
If you use a polyjuice potion and get pregnant during it's effects... What happens? Do you stay as the transformation or do you turn back?
0xabad1dea
w... w... why would you give me that mental image
TheSwedishCryptid
Why wouldn't I do it?
spiritstrife
I would guess no - think of it like a costume? So if a male turns female with the potion maybe those bits don't work like normal?
ThatCelticGirl
I was thinking the same thing...those parts are probably temporarily out of order.
TheSwedishCryptid
But if it is a female turing into another female, would she get the baby of another woman then?
spiritstrife
It shuts down the possibility of conceiving? But you do make me wonder what if you turned into another female that was already pregnant...
grapesforducks
I think it more changed the outward appearance, not the genetic makeup. Though that would be interesting-like when Hermione got the cat hair
teaismylife
actually they were 20 when they had him, if you pay attention to the book. It annoyed me in the movies that they were always like 40.
noeashly
It kinda bothered me that Lily and Ginny looked almost identical
BlackRoseofBloodMoon
Yes!!! Same bone structure and eyes. Even the hair.
LurkersGottaLurk
I was read the books when I was like eight. I never noticed that until now. *The more you know*~~
MyLittleCorgi
I didn't notice either! Until I read this comment... but I was the same age as the actors the whole way through so no excuse...
lildeidei
The characters in the movies are generally not how I perceived them to be in the books.
BlackRoseofBloodMoon
I think the reason for that was, it's how Harry was perceiving them. He could only go off of the pictures he had of them with him
BlackRoseofBloodMoon
add another ten years and their actors ages were about right for the theatrical series.
teaismylife
but in the picture he had with them they should have been 20.
AdorableEvil
Snape's age annoyed me more. He should have been 34 in the first series, instead of nearly 60 (Alan Rickman was born in 1946).
somanywonders987
Holy fuck, Snape being 30s makes so much more sense for his character. Thats a much less overwhelming grudge than what I thought.
Atheistbear
That being said, he doesn't look 60 in the movies, does he?
PedanticYetEarnest
I don't think he does. Alan Rickman's hair nowadays is super grey, but I think they did a good job with disguising his 55 years of age.
teaismylife
I agree, except I love Alan Rickman, so I am conflicted.
HarryPotterGeek
I KNOW!
teaismylife
I appreciate the username! Haha! But seriously in the movies there were always old but the should have been young because they died young!
MySecondAccount
Maybe they were supposed to be in their 30s because that's how old they would've been if they had lived
teaismylife
but they were old in all the pictures too!
BitchImCanadian
I always thought that, when it came to the movies. Especially with the mirror. Harry wanted parents, not someone a few years older.
HarryPotterGeek
It's not even that they aged after they died, b/c they look super old in the pics w/ baby Harry.
PrincessMerida
That was what annoyed me most in the movies, for they are my favorite characters. JKR needs to write their WHOLE story. From Year 1 to death
teaismylife
I agree, I also think that she should write the story of Harry/Ginny's and Ron/Hermione's kids.I would read the shit out of all of that!
dnrose
It was the sixties, remember. People had kids that young
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dnrose
Excuse me?
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spellcheckersupreme
Learn how to kindly teach someone something.
TitzMcG33
It was the 80's, not the 60's, but I don't think he needed to be that rude about it.
dnrose
Yeah. I don't know why, but I had it stuck in my mind that they died in 1965 for some reason.
DavidBowiesCodpiece
When do the books deal with homophobia? And JK Rowling's post-publish reveal that Dumbledore is gay does not count.
sugarmilk
I don't know that it was purposefully left out if it's not there.
BunnyFromMars
Yeah I'm kind of wondering the same thing. But I guess the fandoms have made up for it.
musicaficta
Did you see the Twins?
DavidBowiesCodpiece
Jesus where the fuck did you come from? 2 YEARS AGO
musicaficta
I came from Random Mode.
sawyerholmes
Remember Dumbledore and Grindlewald were lovers, there was a context there possibly that they were not accepted and that was what drove 1
sawyerholmes
them to seek power and pursue Magic is Might as a way to redefine the social order in their favor, but sub-textually they were also 2
sawyerholmes
as the books said out for their own power and arrogant, but it is possible they they had that fear of coming out and wanted to be on top 3
sawyerholmes
before that happened, but I'm ball parking 4
holyglamgrenade
perhaps it had something to do with why people disliked grindelwald? i know people didnt approve of dumbledores relationship with him.
battyforbatman
close... it was that Dumbledore's whole thing was that he was always going back to love, but he was always so lonely himself.
Frogki
I had the same question - while I have no doubt Dumbledore is gay (re-read his relationship with Grindewald), this issue was not brought up.
cocoss
HP handles prejudice on many universal levels, why should it be specific to the LGBT community when other prejudices will arise later
DavidBowiesCodpiece
I just asked because the post specifically mentions homophobia but neglects to reference anything. It is listed as apart from prejudice.
Stray647
True. as a dorky english major (who's also queer), the Dumbledore=gay is so subtext..actually, it's not even subtext..it's not even there
Flyingnun
I don't think J.K went out and said he was gay, just that she had always thought of him as. Besides isn't that the point any way? If he 1/2
Flyingnun
2/2 is gay then he one of the few in literature where his characters isn't defined by his sexuality. And surely thats a good thing?
Twobirdsonestonebullseye
I don't know, though... Looking back, the description of his relationship with Grindelwald does seems to go beyond simple friendship...
EmeraldWind
As a smarter than average person I find sometimes my friendships are unfulfilling as I can't connect with them on my level only theirs.
DaftMachine
I know this feeling way too much. I ended up feeling dumbed down, quitting 50% of my "friends" after having a depression for months. hurts.
EmeraldWind
A lot of time when I find a character like this in fiction they eventually get labeled gay. Nobody ever considers the smart guy has social
EmeraldWind
I saw Dumbledore and Grindelwald as two people in this situation. A friendship where they could interact on an even intellectual level.
rhythmnation
I feel like slowpoke here but... Dumbledore was gay?? ...not that there's anything wrong with it.
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DoctorCarrot
Rowling has said that Dumbledore's friendship with Grindelwald was more than that. Whether mutual or just a crush, I can't remember.
Fredrykh
Also; what is this date rape drug mentioned here? I remember no such thing.
makescreamogreatagain
Fred & George's love potion used on Ron.
findingausernamethatisnttakenisreallyhard
It was the way Tom Riddle was conceived; his mom gave his father a love potion. It's the reason why he can never love anyone
catmaster
well, technically, that was just rape, as his father never even consented to the date while he was under his own power.
zeshoopuf
So pretty much the same thing as getting roofied by someone you don't know at a bar and then raped.
tb333e
It was the love potion that ended up conceiving Voldemort, I think.
findingausernamethatisnttakenisreallyhard
I always saw the whole revealing of the magical world to be like coming out. And the Dursley's hatred of it could then be seen as homophobic
heartflutter
I think that's an analogy. It wasn't meant to symbolize that. It could be an analogy for several situations. Not just that.
findingausernamethatisnttakenisreallyhard
And that's the beauty of reading, isn't it? We all interpret things in our own way to make them relevant to us.
heyoJames
I personally feel like that might be a bit of a stretch.
catmaster
eh, i dunno... realizing that you are functionally the most famous demi-god is much less stressful than telling the world you are LGBT.
FrankTheCube
That is a rather good point.
KidOnTheCoast
Ya I don't think it was there. Lupin and his werewolfism represented HIV and AIDS patients, and HP taught to be kind and stuff, but still
Awhaleandabowlofpetunias
Is that what Rowling said?
SilverStrings
I beleive she said it in an "interview" with Dan Radcliffe. I can give you the link to the whole thing, but it's pretty long.
SilverStrings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIgQX50yHmg even if it's not there, if you have nothing to do it's pretty interesting anyway
Awhaleandabowlofpetunias
I've seen it. I don't remember that part, but that's pretty interesting. I never thought about it like that.
acunninglinguist
Lupin was a metaphor for gays, was he not?
DavidBowiesCodpiece
Not unless homosexuality only comes out once a month and you need to take meds to suppress it otherwise you become a terrifying beast.
zeshoopuf
So it's a metaphor for a woman's period? =D
MoonlitEmbrace
No..No now it just sounds like Lycanthropy is a metaphor for the female menstrual cycle.
acunninglinguist
I realize it wouldn't be a perfect metaphor, but he was shunned by the wizard community much the same way gays are. People are afraid (1/2)
acunninglinguist
(2/2) that gays will "convert" their children to gayness much like wizards were afraid that Lupin would "turn" their children.
CrabWallet
I always felt that was something like attention whoring on her part. The character's sexuality was never an issue.
MySpecialBrand
I agree
ThePressureToPickAFunnyUsernameIsKillingMe
It's attention whoring because she mentioned it and the press went mental over it? Really? It's a fact of the character. Nothing more.
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CrabWallet
You don't know very much about literature, do you? Once it's published, a story is a story. An author can't go back and interpret it for you
Hydrall
I heard it was because the movies' director or someone was planning to give Dumbledore a romance in the movies (probably with McGonagall).
Hydrall
Rowling *really* didn't want that, so she said he was gay to get them to stop, and decided to make it canon.
yellink
No, she always knew he was gay. The screenwriters were going to have Dumbledore briefly mention a past crush on a girl he had,
yellink
but she told them to take it out.
yellink
No, she always knew he was gay. The screenwriters were going to have Dumbledore briefly mention a past crush on a girl he had,
yellink
but she told them to take it out.
YeahWellYouKnowThatsJustLikeYourOpinionMan
If it was attention whoring, she would have put it in the book. Since it was not an issue, it wasn't put in.
CrabWallet
Or, if it was attention whoring, she'd make a public statement, retconning in another hot button issue, like she did.
findingausernamethatisnttakenisreallyhard
She didn't plan to make a public statement. A girl asked if he had a gf, and she answered honestly that she always saw him as gay.
WruceBaynetheManBat
She did put it in - It's never directly stated, just heavily implied.
sowetoninja
Yeah? Well, you know that's just like, your opinion, man.
YeahWellYouKnowThatsJustLikeYourOpinionMan
Thanks, nobody ever says that to me.
sowetoninja
Ha, sarcasmmm. Hey you're the one that chose the username not me!:)
flight815down
I always though that was the point of it. Dumbledore's gay, but it doesn't matter; he's still the same person that we know and love.
CrabWallet
He wasn't any gayer or straighter than thumper, or pinochio, or captain ahab, or any other character who's sexuality wasn't at all explored.
owlparliament95
exactly, isn't the whole point that it makes no difference to how we view him as a person?
heterodyne
So? It added nothing. All of the male members of Sytherin could be gay, but it doesn't add or subtract anything.
Bornbetter
It's the same thing as telling the readers what the trio ended up doing as adults. How George never healed from his bro's death.
Bornbetter
It's not attention whoring, it's just adding some "realism" to her characters.
MySpecialBrand
I just felt that it was unnecessary ya know? It had nothing to do with the story.
LadyFate
It can be inferred that it was for the love of Grindelwald, who knew it and exploited it. (2/2)
LadyFate
Actually, it had a lot to do with the story as we knew it. Did you ever wonder why Dumbledore went with Grindelwald's radical ideas? (1/2)
MySpecialBrand
I understand that and it may well be the case.
MySpecialBrand
It just bothers me that she is adding all this deeper context after the series is over, but says she won't ever right another.
MySpecialBrand
That just breaks my heart.