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I have a mixed background with Anime. I grew up watching it and by the time I was a teen I thought it was the best thing in the world.
I ended up running a highschool anime club for three years, and hosted a 500 person panel at Anime Boston in 2010.
I really loved anime and for years I would watch the seasonal releases. Trying to weed out the good stuff to watch.
I loved One Piece in particular and watched the pre-time skip seasons… about half a dozen times
Then I got the chance of a lifetime. I got to move to Japan. I got to live in Japan for over four years.
And I really started to hate Anime. It was everywhere. On TV, on the walls of my city, even stuff I would have had to travel to a Con for was just in a 711 down the street
I started to see what really drives the Anime market from an American perspective. Merchandise. Not quality or the fans or popularity, its Merchandise.
And all the trends that I used to hate started to make sense. The Harem anime in particular started to make a lot of sense. More figurines to put in store fronts
The other thing that bugged me about anime was there seems to be little with much to really say. It's a visual medium that values style over substance.
And there seems to be a willing silence on some of Japan's history. Even though many Japanese still hold disturbing views of history
I'm no media expert, but at least British and American media has become more aware of its portrait of history. Sometimes. More recently.
And Shonen anime in particular seems to be rife with bad writing and almost a contempt for plot sometimes. Probably due to the rate Mangaka are forced to shovel out art.
But now we come to the elephant in the room.
A god dammed master piece of media, but pretty much forgotten in the land of the rising sun (that might have changed with the Netflix release). I comed all of Tokyo and found almost no merchandise for it, or Samurai Champloo.
Both had astounding sound tracks, art, and character. Cowboy Bebop especially feels like American themes were a priority.
I guess I'll wrap it up here. I just wanted to talk about my feelings on anime, and not trying to take anyone's enjoyment of something they like. None of this was researched so experts please don't take offense. I would love to talk in the comments to anyone that wants to chat.
I've posted some of my favorites but not everything is there. I really like a lot Netflixs animes, and see a great future for the medium. Avatar the last air benders is a whole other topic I'd love to talk about as I think it might be the best thing ever animated.
KurotsukiHaku
whats the baseball anime in #1
Bortthog
1/2 The reason why is as you figured out its a different beast in America. US is driven by bad anime shoveled out to make a buck and
Bortthog
Most people don't even understand what makes writing good or not. You won't find Champloo stuff because it's too western in its presentation
SodomySnake
Supposedly viewership is being taken more into account now with the rise of streaming services, but I can't imagine streaming licenses >>
SodomySnake
are all that lucrative compared to merch.
whatseventhepoint
Maybe there was more merch for CB and SC when they were current and not 25 years old?
Bearnaked247
Probably but Evangelion was everywhere and they hadn't had re-release at the time and the stores I was in did have stuff from 25 years ago
PwnageHobo
I guess you're gonna carry that weight
OriginalSyn
The sexualization of minors is a tough one. Eg. Kuroku's Basketball on Netflix has a nude 30 yo woman french a 16 yo boy infront of his team
OriginalSyn
after she was found sleeping in his apartment and he had no idea she was there so she had apparently broke into his apt or stole his keys
OriginalSyn
And that's not even close to the most inappropriate thing you can find on major streaming services let alone elsewhere.
Bearnaked247
Yea the sex shops in Tokyo definitely had some stuff that made me uncomfortable. Yea the characters 300 years old but looks like they're 8
NowDoThatVoodooThatYouDo
I started watching anime more after watching NGE a few years ago, and yeah, been struck by the “cultural baggage” Japan won’t acknowledge/
NowDoThatVoodooThatYouDo
Shonen just sort of IS, and I’m not sure the genre has ever escaped Dragon Ball’s shadow…hell, even Dragon Ball can’t escape its own shadow/
NowDoThatVoodooThatYouDo
On the other hand Bleach just had one of the best shonen seasons ever.It felt like the studio had the budget to make it as tight as possible
NowDoThatVoodooThatYouDo
Most anime being adaptations of ongoing manga does also force studios to use cheap tricks to milk as much time as possible out of episodes
Bearnaked247
Oh yea re using shots is terrible, but when you measure fighting anime against A:tlab Avatar gives so much more effort into fights scenes
Shifuede
➀ The majority of what's consumed in the US now is the heavy-on-style-lacking-substance you mentioned, but you posted a few of the oldschool
Shifuede
➁ greats with more to offer: GitS & Cowboy Bebop. I'd suggest you check out Serial Expirments Lain, Paranoia Agent (well anything by Satoshi
Shifuede
➂ Kon), Akira, Porco Rosso, Princess Mononoke, ect.. Samurai Champloo, Black Lagoon, Vampire Hunter D, Hellsing, Carole & Tuesday all are
Shifuede
➃ decent choices as well. Though it's hard to find, Shura no Toki is worth watching as well. Most of that isn't typical fare anymore though.
DeadeicPrints
I dunno man. I watched Lain in my early 20s and I think it made me adhd. Wtf was that show even about?
Shifuede
It's about the way people connect with each other, both online & off. It's also about how people forge their own identities, fake & real.
Omnimorph2112
I too have this problem with shonen. The clichéd tropes, the power ups. Maybe I'm just not the target age for this genre any more.
Shortndeadly
I mean shonen literally translates to young man/boy. Its targeted mainly at middle school and high school boys.
Bortthog
Nah you just haven't found the right ones. Jojo is a Shonen for example but is actually good, much like Yuyu Hakusho or Samurai X
Bearnaked247
Watched Jojo (only the Josephine season), Yuyu Hakusho, and Samurai X. Not really my thing, all style especially Jojo
Bearnaked247
So those are what I'd call fighting Shonen, and it only feels good to me when it has rules otherwise its just power level BS
Bortthog
I dont believe Smaurai X has power level BS, the closest it got was the ending of the Makoto fight but even that's pushing it
Bearnaked247
Original Naruto and Hunter X Hunter were really good at that, and has some of the most rewarding fights in Anime
Bortthog
The only fight in Naruto that wasn't bad was Rock Lee vs Garaa because all the rest are fights from powers given to them